Spots that are good for Skimboarding waves are often good for Bodyboarding as well so confrontations and collisions are somewhat common between these two groups
As a skimboarder, I do have to admit that I have no idea how as a bodyboarder you can keep track of such a big wave, your line-up and some person suddenly coming in all the way from the beach in between.
No reason to let good times in the water turn into disrespect on land. We all know the surf gets crowded, accidents will happen it comes with the territory, part of being in the ocean. Also, I remember when skimboarders spent their time skimming on the outermost edge of the shoreline. I appreciate skimboarders pushing the limits of their sport, but surely they must have the lowest “claim” to any wave, once people out in the water catch a wave it would be near impossible to account for skimboarders coming completely out of nowhere.
Part of the issue is Lineup and priority. Standing on the beach, skimmers are outside of the usual pecking order in the water, so it's hard to make a clear-cut case, often. The Sidewave/Peak interaction always causes confusion, to some degree, anyways - and then you add in guys who come in 'hot' from dry sand. It's amazing that there aren't more fights.
That's what no one sees here. What looks like a bodyboarder dropping in most of the time is someone fed up with the same skim boarder going for the sets. Beginner skimboarders don't often stand up to the macho skimmers that go ignore priority on the sand, so from the water its common to see the same prick trying to call every wave..
Bunch of those waves had 2 skims on them, so they must be party waves? means all are welcome? I think maybe that wave is its own universe and normal etiquette dont apply quite the same?
@@webleeoz Yeah...you might think that...but you can see the same issue at Seal Beach and Laguna, in the video. Personally, I believe in sharing (to a degree) - but that means in rotation or priority. I generally don't share rides at Wedge, whether I'm surfing, kneeboarding, bodysurfing, or even bodyboarding - because it's an unnecessary added danger, and the wave is dangerous enough, just by itself. More often than not people just end up 🐓 -blocking each other, and wasting good waves. So I try to make a point of not dropping-in on anybody with a chance of making it; and of being the 'last guy standing' when others drop-in on me. Within the water - first guy up has 'right of way', if two get up simultaneously - deepest, or closest to the peak...and then you have considerations of respect and pecking order - and who's been waiting...too. But some guy storming-in on foam from dry sand - can throw that all into a wood chipper...and the guys who do "laps" running back around with their skimboards on wave after wave doesn't help the situation. Frankly...waveriding ettiquette doesn't generally contemplate someone on the beach flying around-, through- and past- the lineup. When I ride a longboard - I try to remember that I'm not the only guy out in the water - and not to act like a hog.
Shark baits fighting each other and puffing up over space that isnt theirs to begin with. I'm so glad I was raised inland. Dont have to deal with such harsh circumstances.
@@jcd-k2s Some waves are more obviously 'peaks' than sidewaves - so in that case it's the peak. On waves that are more of sidewave - one that's going to "backdoor" the peak - then it's the sidewave you judge on. But the sidewave itself tends to have a 'peak' area - where it has the most size and energy, and from which it will be most makeable - unless you're starting out at Mach 2, flying into it from a full sprint, on dry sand, and hopping/trimming to get across the flat spots. It's something that can be read on each wave, and in each situation... If I were scoring it as a Judge I can usually tell you who gets the triangle, and (usually,) so can the most of the folks who know how to read the wave, well enough to ride it decently.
I like the part where boogie board guys are supposed to somehow know a skim board guy is going to come flying off of the shore onto the wave he's already riding and then give him said wave
Watching people get drowned by the waves gives me PTSD flashback from the amount of times I've almost suffocated from being toppled by a wave. And yet, I still put myself through that because it's fun.
I'm a bodyboarder. These are my spots. We've had to fight for our recognition with surfers for longer than I've even been alive. Skimboarding deserves that same recognition, too. Waves are a finite resource, good swells and breaks are limited. We all need to foster understanding and respect. That's a difficult thing to do, but we need to try to do so.
I'm right there with you. I'm in the Outer Banks of North Carolina mostly, did a lot of cold water surfing in Jersey when I was younger. No matter where spongers go , it's a fight for respect. But every time I see this garbage in California it completely affirms my lack of desire to ever go there
@@dreichert1438 I feel you. But I do have to say that in my experience people are really not that different, no matter where you go. This video shows a concentrated compilation of just 2-3 spots in the very small area of Orange County... only. It shows the worst of the worst situations. Probably over more than a year. There are close to 40 spots in OC alone to enjoy waves (in our small county), and there as many in the North in LA, and many more to the South in San Diego. I would bet my life if you came here, even at one of these spots and situations, you would have a great time. Almost every time I'm in the water, no matter who or what, people are friendly and respectful. I lived in Charlotte for 2 years. Amazing people. They are 99% the same here, just like they are when I lived in Brazil & Japan. I encourage you to come out dude, we would love to have you. We are so lucky to have amazing beaches one after the other to enjoy great waves. I feel confident you will have an amazing time and meet amazing people. If you paddled out anywhere here and told people you were from NC, they would bend over backwards to make sure you got every wave you wanted and would give you ever bit of advice and insider knowledge they could to make your trip the gnarliest it could be. Real talk dude, I know I would. Message me and I'll be the first to do so brother..
In Australia no Way a guy running out from the beach would try and ride a wave someone has paddled for . They would get the dropped in on every time. Doesn't mean shit how long u waited on the beach for. Its called a line up . I guess the bodyboarders get the waves when the waves are good. Maybe they should make a water park for the skimboarders.It would suit them better i think and they would stop being a hazard for all water men.
@@gattabat yeah right. You can tell you know nothing about everything. Yeah mate when its massive u see pretty much 0 skimers. Boogers charge big barrels. Yeah mate good talk great words.
I was born in Hoag Memorial Hospital and The Dirty Wedge was my stomping grounds as a Newport grommit. Great footage thisismov and the struggle is real.
New Zealand is a gift indeed, but don't discount how legendary the Wedge is. Despite the captured conflicts in this one video are: the Wedge crew are a really cool example of how different forms of waveriding get along together. Visit the Wedge some day. You won't regret it.
Seems like most of these dudes were chillin. I’m curious how they keep track of their boards , just wait until they wash up or see the damn thing floating off somewhere
Yup we get people that are well known and respected in each area. So normally they get first chance at a nice wave and the other people stay out the way
@@armd_ndngruss2287 problemo is how do you define that? It’s stupid. Shouldn’t matter who’s who. First up or closest to peak is the most fair/consistent way. Your locals only or popularity contest thing is garbage.
I surfed for 15 years in a lot of crowded places. A crowded day at The Wedge is a mess, hard to tell who's got the right of way before being pummeled by the wave. Yeah there's a general rule that the person closest to the braking section owns the wave, but with many of these skimboards essentially coming out of nowhere it's gotta be hard to tell when you're chasing down a wave. I don't recommended fighting, but if it comes to it you better know how to or else choose a better place to go.
This has been going on for 30 years or better. The skimboarders are alot better now, and there's to many. They can catch every wave of the set. You want a wave, you have to drop in on someone.
It’s the ocean man no one actually owns the waves but etiquette is first person on the wave has priority but it does make it harder on the body boarders to judge that when there is someone coming all the way from the beach. There is always a peaceful way to run things though so everyone can have fun
Having lived at the beach for years, I'm glad I never witnessed this level of redness from a lot of the skim boarders in this video. Way too many people out.
I used to body board all the time, you just can’t take it serious and do try to give each other space 😂. It’s nice when you make it through and it carries you all the way onto the sand.
Pretty much grew up at the wedge. I have full respect for skim boarders but im not going to lie. When i would walk up and see 5-6 guys with skim boards on the beach i would say to myself...it's going to be that kinda of day. The problem is with just 5-6 guys they will have their priority on the sand just like the line up does....but then when a set comes in (usually 5-6 waves) each skim boarder will get a wave and the rest of us are just bobbing out there. It simply gets old and you go against the etiquette.
You probably dont even surf imagine your about to get the best wave of the day ans some rider drops in on you without even looking and than you get trashed on by the lip of the wave while the other rider gets the best wave
At 1:17, regardless of what happened before, I would have blindsided that jerk for assaulting the old man. People love picking on week people. Drives me nuts
How is it picking on him? You can't just rule out what happened before the fight. Little guy could've been doin sketchy douchey shyt to him or something. No one looks that pissed for no reason so let's not johnny jump to conclusions here.
@@garrywhite13371337 nah bro, a lot of dudes get pissed like that for really silly things.. I had a fella in Australia who threatened me and said the worse things you can imagine just because "I was on his way on a wave", and he clearly said "going left" so I went right, but somehow he figured he could change direction and he did, but I was already there...
I have the same issue with the skateboarding world. When a 30 yr old who takes to serious gets aggravated at kids having fun. Adult vs adult I don't care at all. Too many clips in here of an adult bullying kids off a wave, there were a few kids that either ate it or almost ate board.
What do you mean. The boarder was out in the line up waiting for his turn and the skimmers snake waves from the beach. Bodyboarders have right of way here
@@alrightletsgo470 I do see that, but there was just this one dude who clearly saw the skimboarders, even made eye contact, and then jumped into the wave. But I do agree with you with most of the bodyboarders, I am one myself.
@@alrightletsgo470 The issue is is that the whole sport of skim boarding starts from the beach. If people out in the water always have priority we would never get waves. And generally we have to start running or commit to a wave far earlier which means the people out in the water should be able to see us coming
@@alrightletsgo470 Bodyboarders never have right of way haha. 99 out of 100 people would rather watch a skimboarder or surfer on a wave than a bodyboarder. If only bodyboarders had any awareness of their self indulgence and subordinated themselves in the lineup like they should.
@@Revtheoryhellyeah Speaking of a line up.. where are you again? While we are taking waves to the head on clean up sets.. oh yeah... And surfing isn't popularity contest douche bag.
The issue here is that skimboarders are new to the scene. Surf etiquette will have to evolve to involve them. Evolution takes time, skimboarders just need to be patient. Respect is earned, not deserved.
I feel like skimmers should have priority on a lot of these waves because A) skimming is way harder and B) they caught the sider leading up to the wave. Boogers dropping in right on connection is wack. Skimmers should "slip" back and let the skimboard slice em up.
I mean as a bodyboarder that lives in gran canarias where the Fronton king is taken place, I think that seeing a skimboark coming towards your face has to be pretty scary.
I prefer bodyboarding. Feels more like I'm communing with the ocean, not challenging it and defying the inevitable. And I'll never understand how you top-heavy boys, of all people, prefer surfing; what good does all that power in your shoulders do you out there? 😖
This lady in hawaii full speed hit me face to face with her body board I almost got knocked out. Because she was riding a wave and the wave collapsed on me and then when i was trying to breach the water my board hit me square on the head. She said “sorry” I was 14....
