Slog2 vs Slog3 vs HLG3 Extremely High Dynamic Range Test | Which Sony Picture Profile is better?

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Hi guys, I decided to a Slog2 vs Slog3 vs HLG3 Extremely High Dynamic Range test to see which one of these sony picture profiles do better in terms of dynamic range and noise performance in such a extreme condition (You will barely face this extreme situation when shooting outside). I used my Sony A7III for this test and as far as I know this should be applicable to most sony alpha cameras because the gamma curve of Slog2, Slog3 and HLG3 picture profiles are the same in sony cameras. I would be really glad to hear your opinions too about this test and any further information would be highly appreciated!
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@MehranHadad 3 года назад

So by doing this interesting test, I'm changing my mind to use Slog3 in my future cinematic videos 😅 I should definitely test it with what I saw in this test! 😂

@Shyamgfilms 3 года назад

Mehran, I feel there might be a chance of more banding if you choose slog 3 especially on skies with gradations. Because you'll be pulling the mids and shadows much more in post than the Slog 2. Let us know your observations.

@muhammadobaid7500 2 года назад

Definitely Slog3 is not recommended in 8bit footage

@zakariamotamedi843 2 года назад

@@muhammadobaid7500 what would give the most conematig and good Color in 8-bit?

@ArdanaMindFilms Год назад

@@zakariamotamedi843 hlg

@MMMRK1111 2 года назад

I came from nowhere and saw your explained videos and they are exaclty what i wanted to see. Thank you so much.

@MehranHadad 2 года назад

Thank you so much for watching mate! appreciate your support

@TheDIYFilmmaker 3 года назад

Great work mate! I've always listened that Slog2 was better than Slog3 in 8 bits, but in your comparison I see also Slog3 great. Thanks for sharing!

@VeganLinked 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for doing this! Unfortunately I'm not using a full frame camera. And my a6600's are 8 bit. So, this probably wouldn't work with my current gear unless I have plenty of light I suppose. But, I ordered the fx30 and will have it in a couple of days. So, I'm excited to experiment with it. Again, not FF but at least 10 bit 422. Most of my work is in a controlled environment anyways where I can give it plenty of light, usually. My question is about DR though. I have been using PPRO for too long. I wonder, do you think it would be worth getting DR and color grading and denoising there before I go to premiere? Is that possible? Or would it degrade along the way when rendering out of DR to edit in PPRO and render a second time? I would hate that workflow but until I can get use to DR and separate myself from PPRO I probably need to stay in PPRO.

@TihomRecords 9 месяцев назад

beautifully explained really loving your tutorial

@RDNYSANCHEZ 2 года назад

I've just found your channel and you have great content! I'm on my way to learning more about picture profiles and color grading and this video and the one on how to convert HLG to Rec709 had helped me a lot!! If you could make a video para explaining why Matrix gamma is best with 8bit cameras would be amazing! I have a 6400 and I've heard slog3 is not recommended (that's why I started using HLG) but seeing this video I had second thoughts about this. Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge! Keep it up!!

@MehranHadad 2 года назад

Thanks so much for watching dude! Really appreciate your words. The reason why the S.gamut is not good with our 8 bit codec is that sony is not using the REAL S.gamut color space with the Slog in our 8 bit cameras! And that's because of the limitations of 8 bit video which can not fit all the data in it! So the Rec709 is the better option with 8bit videos

@rawarchives5374 Год назад

Most helpful video I’ve seen so far.

@MehranHadad Год назад

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching

@MerveDemirci 6 месяцев назад

Hi urgent help please, today I watched your video and did the settings like you advices for SLOG3 + ITU709 MATRIX. Need LUT for ,t because it seems too saturated and weird when I try to add sony official luts.. :((((( And I just read people strongly say DO NOT USE anything except Cine Gamut :(((( Are you really sure about the ITU709 MATRIX ??? How can I balance it.. Please help..

@rakadey6681 Год назад

what was your lens, apeture, and iso? if you remember i know this was a year ago. Looks like im upgrading to davinci resolve studio now

@joshigrv Год назад

Thank you so much! When you use ITU709 with slog2 - what Color Space Transform settings do you use in Davinci?

@MehranHadad Год назад

You're welcome! You should use rec709 as color space and slog2 as gamut

@rahuls4863 Год назад

Brilliant analysis. Thanks for sharing this. I agree slog3 was better initially. But after fill light was introduced slog2 is better. So I guess - use Slog2 when you need details on shadowsn and use slog3 when you need details on bright and mid tones.

@MehranHadad Год назад

For the really dark scenes you'd be better with slog2 but again it depends on the situation and lighting!

@FlyEnri 3 года назад

You accidentaly convinced me to buy the Studio version of Da Vinci to have the noise reduction :) I'm using Slog 2 but I'm finding sometimes that when I don't expose perfectly, later on it's a nightmare to grade. HLG has less range, but it's more forgiving and easy to use it seems... Slog 3 I never managed to get something right, but on yours I think was the best also :D

@MehranHadad 3 года назад

Haha the Noise Reduction of davinci resolve is awesome dude! It is really worth it! every camera footage needs it in my opinion! Thanks for watching!

@tommyshootsfilmz7433 2 года назад

you prolly dnt get it right cuz with slog3 sure enough gotta expose right but its mainly that white balance tht has to be set perfect for slog3

@rahuls4863 Год назад

Same here. But are you able to get decent rec2020 out of slog? Or is it possible only from hlg? If yes - how do you transform. I have set it as input is slog an output is rec2020. But am not getting the kind of details. Am sure shots are well exposed, issues is during post prod. With HLD I do get the rec2020, but details captured by hlg is lower than slog, so wanted to know where am i going wrong?

@Shyamgfilms 3 года назад

Great comparison Mehran. This is something a lot of people are looking out for in RU-vid but no one really cared to make a video like this before.. so big thanks to you man.. What’s your take on skin tones between these profiles ? I’m seeing very mixed opinions across RU-vid.. Personally the skins look way pleasing with SLOG gamma.. there's something magical happening in the skin IRE values with SLOG 2 compared to the HLG3/2.

@MehranHadad 3 года назад

Thanks so much man really appreciate the support! I'm loving the skin tones on Slog3 more than other profiles! I should do more testing outside too to see how slog3 performs in a real scenario in a cinematic video! cheers!

@Shyamgfilms 3 года назад

@@MehranHadad thanks man.. your content is GOLD! awaiting your new videos. Thanks for making a7iii users happy.

@DevAcharya 3 года назад

Quick question!! Is it necessary to over expose like1.5 stops for Slog 2 and 3. I'm shooting on sony a7c with HLG 3 in BT 2020 but graded in a wrong way but ue video helped me lot. So exposing in slog2 and 3 whats ur exposure or what should be ur exposure?

@MehranHadad 2 года назад

It depends on the scene! I don't use M.M as a reference for exposure! In my opinion, Zebras and False Color are the best tools for setting the exposure! I will make a tutorial about this in the future!

@basebrandstudio 3 года назад

Thank you so much, Mehran! 🙏 Can I ask you something? In the future videos please share your slog settings. And please make a video how to use zebras to expose in all picture profiles. Thanks!!!

@MehranHadad 3 года назад

You're welcome dude, Appreciate the support! As I showed in the video, I only changed the color mode to ITU709 Matrix with the Slog gammas and details set to -6 and All the other settings are on default. Yes I will consider your opinion on zebras! Thanks for watching!

@MrAbhishekdavid 2 года назад

put zebra on 95..

@thediegomgarcia 2 года назад

I believe theres scenarios where each PP should be use instead of others. Correct? What would you use in the outside, compare to indoor shoots with controlled lightning? Thank you in advance for your time and input and excellent videos

@MehranHadad 2 года назад

it could be true but in my opinion, The Slog2 is the best pp in terms of dynamic range and tonal separation specially in shadow areas and I really like it, but because sony A7 III has autofocus issues with slog profiles, I'm using HLG3 profile instead! I'm gonna upgrade to A7 IV and can't wait to switch to Slog2/3

@fabianpetrescu 5 месяцев назад

@@MehranHadadHi Mehran! This video is a little old but still relevant as I am a new owner of the ZV-E10. I am struggling with one challenge: which PP should I use for a run and gun vlog setting, knowing that I will be recording in so many different locations and environments (indoor, an elevator, then harsh light, beach, a shopping mall.) What do you suggest in terms of camera settings for something like this? I don’t mind using a Leeming LUT :)

@nithishprabhuvlogs1191 3 года назад

very nice video 😍😍 Please make a video about how to expose slog footage properly

@MehranHadad 3 года назад

Thank you so much for watching dude! I will do a video about exposing log videos in the future, I'm still testing different scenarios to learn more and then I could share the information more confidently! Stay Tuned and have a great day!

@MrAbhishekdavid 2 года назад

overexpose by1.5 to 2.0 for log..

@MrAbhishekdavid 2 года назад

and set zebra at 95.

@dutu000 Год назад

how did you do the noise reduction?

@arashhashemi8108 2 года назад

Hi Mehran jan, very good good video man. what is your experience with ISO when you have it on SLOG3?

@MehranHadad 2 года назад

Thanks so much for watching dude! It totally depends on the situation and lighting! I can't give you any exact advice on what kind of result you will get! It's different in every situation!

@arashhashemi8108 2 года назад

@@MehranHadad I watched some videos they said 12800 but why need to have too high ISO whereas lower ISO has less grains? 🤔

@TheColoranimado Год назад

@@arashhashemi8108 because you need to over exposes the image 2 point. +2

@hersh_yt 2 месяца назад

Great comparison

@VeeTravels Год назад

This such fantastic demonstration of the Sony camera in the HLG3 and SLOG3 Picture Profile, Mehran. The dynamic range is unreal. I am just curious, but which input color space and which color transformation are you using? I am struggling to get the colors right in my recent videos. Here are my settings: Input Color Space: Rec.2020 ; Rec.2100 HLG Timeline Color Space: Rec.2020 ; ST2084 1000 nit Output Color Space: Rec.2020 ; ST2084 10000 nit I would really appreciate the help. I think this video demonstrates the colors so well!

@rahuls4863 Год назад

I too am not able to solve. But I feel, in your setting - you should not chose rec2020 for input - instead chose the one in which you shot - slog / hlg. Only that way system know the actual width of dynamic range and gets all the data correctly. In output rec2020 is fine, because you need the HDR.

@VeeTravels Год назад

@@rahuls4863 A7SIII has an input of Rec.2020 Rec 2100HLG I am pretty sure for its HLG3 picture profile!

@rahuls4863 Год назад

@@VeeTravels Okay. I thought it was named as HLG instead of Rec 2100 in davinci resolve... am usings slog, so instead of rec709 i use slog3 for input, and i use rec709 as output.

@VeeTravels Год назад

@@rahuls4863 Why don't you use the Rec.2020 space for output instead of Rec.709?

@rahuls4863 Год назад

@@VeeTravels am having a6400, i recorded my footage in slog, not hlg.... assuming slog captures more details than hlg. But in davinci, there is LUT only for slog to rec709, not slog to rec2020/2100. I am still trying to find a way.

@khaledsamra2500 Год назад

Thanks Who is better in your opinion Slog3 or HLG3 Which do you prefer in terms of dynamic range and color depth?

@MehranHadad Год назад

I'm currently using the Sony A7IV and I definitely choose slog 3 over anything!

@joas162 Год назад

I always read that log doesn't work on an A7III, but now I want to try. I shoot a lot in this type of situation with a window, let's run some tests to see if I can get a nice image from log!

@MehranHadad Год назад

Slog is such a Great picture profile and I really love it! Worth trying

@pavanteja1975 3 года назад

thank you for making video about this

@pavanteja1975 3 года назад

can you also do a video on how to expose slog .... so many people says that you have to expose 2 stops and some say you shouldn't .... can you tell how

@MehranHadad 3 года назад

Thanks so much for watching!

@MehranHadad 3 года назад

@@pavanteja1975 I will make a video about this in the future! Stay tuned and thanks for the support!

@kuljindersinghfilms8521 3 года назад

@@MehranHadad sir please make a video on perfect focus settings while shooting videos. I,m facing focus problem while shooting

@MehranHadad 3 года назад

@@kuljindersinghfilms8521 I will consider this dude, Thanks for your suggestion!

@muhammadobaid7500 2 года назад

Thank you for this test Mahran. However, I think you achieved a better exposure by adding the fill light but you killed the cinematic depth in the image. In this situation, I would have added rather a negative fill on the left and then ,in post, crushed the dark side of the face all the way down. By this way you crush the noise with it.

@MehranHadad 2 года назад

Thanks so much for watching dude! That's a great point! appreciate it thanks for sharing

@TheACLP 5 месяцев назад

i thought you can't take advantage of slog 3 on the a73 because it's an 8 bit camera and you need a 10 bit camera

@MehranHadad 3 месяца назад

Nope! You can still utilize it with some good lighting and exposing correctly! Best wishes

@zakariamotamedi843 2 года назад

@mehran hadad what camera do you use here ? Is it a 10 or 8-bit camera ?

@MehranHadad 2 года назад

It's Sony A7III, It's 8 Bit

@ShaahinOrouji 3 года назад

مقایسه خوبی بود ... برادر یه بار هم تنظیمات آلفا7 رو توی فیلمبرداری های خودت بگو

@MehranHadad 3 года назад

مزسی از لطفتون شاهین جان، چشم در این باره هم سعی میکنم ویدئو درست کنم ممنون از پیشنهادتون

@mohsenfarahani4440 2 года назад

Right after I started watching the video, I guessed it might be an Iranian accent in English. And the name "مهران" approved what I thought, so ایول آقا مهران، کارت درسته 🤷‍♂️👍

@MehranHadad 2 года назад

Haha Thank you so much for your kind words dear Mohsen! Have a great day and best wishes!

@mmmhad7261 3 года назад

Very nice 👍👍👍

@colinhoward2200 2 года назад

Honestly speaking - no normal viewer watching your footage will even notice. This is exacltly what happened with HiFi in the 1980s/1990s - people were listening to the HiFi and analysing every single nuance rather than listening to the music. As a creator you might think for 2 seconds a view will think OMG - the shadow rendition is that not good there. The reality is they may have looked away for a few seconds to pick up a drink or talk to someone. This whole Slog thing has become obsessive. Just take good content and in focus and relatively good colours (out of camera is fine). Then you can spend more time taking more interesting footage / content rather than wasting time worrying about colour grading. Anyhow justmy opinion.

@MehranHadad 2 года назад

Hello Colin. I totally agree that GOOD CONTENT is the most important of any kind of art ( Photography, Videography, Music ...). But we can't deny the importance of technical side either! It can really change the quality of the outcome! Good luck and best wishes

@recfilm1883 Год назад

Beautiful words and up to the point...That's exactly what's happening nowadays with many creators: obsession of picture profiles and "cinematic" image instead of a story. Go create interesting stories with your cameras and don't pay so much attention to slogs, clogs, arri logs or whatever "logs".

@devinchaganis8017 Месяц назад

Very good point!

@ChristianTheodorus909 8 месяцев назад

"why make everything simple if we can make everything complicated" - Video industry

@himsxoxo Год назад

thanks

@bennyboy0773 Год назад

Which of the 3 do you think has the more true-to-life skin and colour tones? Interestingly I think the HLG (especially on the 100% fill power), has the most pleasing colours, the others seem quite overly-saturated even after the edits

@toxotis70 Год назад

best solution is to use fill light and then bring it back in Davinci.

@MehranHadad Год назад

Yes dude It definitely helps

@JiayangQian-tk6us 3 месяца назад

omgg ты такой красивый и у тебя такой приятный голос. ты идеальный мужчина, которого я желаю

@oodoo_wrld 3 года назад

Hlg Brother 🔥🔥

@MehranHadad 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your opinion mate!

@hotcoffeeamericano 11 месяцев назад

Your title says Slog2, Slog3, HLG3. When you do the comparison, your first topic should be Slog2, not HLG3 because it makes better sense as the title is in a sequence. Keep it consistent. Thanks for the video. I liked it a lot.

@MehranHadad 11 месяцев назад

You are right my friend! Thanks for your suggestion and best wishes