Great video. Glad you didn't dunk on Sea of Thieves too hard for their inaccurate reprentation of a sloop. The ships in SoT are sized in ways to focus more around balanced gameplay for ship/crew sizes as opposed to historical accuracy. Obviously sloops were OP back then, but SoT designs them to get sunk when going broadside with a galleon, requiring the sloop crew (1-2) players to make amazing plays against galleons/brigs.
Videogames need to focus on balance, especially if they are multiplayer, balance and functionality is more important than historical accuracy. Of course some people go too far and add female cyber ninjas to ww2 like Battlefield V, or more nonsense like one of the last CoD games which i don't know the name. 😂 And no one should play a game or watch a movie and take it like reality, i love when a game is accurate but i understand that accuracy can also ruin the game completely, we need to separate both things and that way we can have fun with games and history.
@@dragonlord4194No, I disagree. More sails would have obstructed the vision too much, making it even harder to manage on your own. A lower hull would have meant a smaller target, giving it an unfair advantage.
Always impresses me how people centuries ago could design things so complex and accommodating for so many variables, all without internet and whatnot. Masters of their craft. I think they’re smarter than us. Plop one of those guys into the 21st century and give him a iphone, and he would discover and invent wonders
The high castle on the sea of thieves sloop has a gameplay reason as well. Since it's the only ship meant to be driven solo, I imagine it was deliberately given a raised helm so that one person can adequately see without a lookout. Without it, I imagine solo players would hit a lot of sea rocks.
As someone whose pirate novels generally take place on a sloop, this is fantastically useful. And I've never seen most of the sketches you found! Thanks.
I've been wanting to make a game based on the Golden Age of Piracy for a long time, heavily inspired by Sid Meier's Pirates. Your idea of having the rigging change with the tier of ship is really cool and something I never thought of before. Also, being able to choose what kind of rigging you want is very interesting. Perhaps a way to become so wealthy in the game where you can commision a ship, much like Stede Bonnet.
I love this pirate history channel!, From the memey thumbnails, to satisfying deep voice, to good and simple way of documenting and to a good editing this guy is my "Number #1 Pirate/Ship Documentary Channel"
I'm writing a pirate story set in 1700 and trying to make it as historically accurate as I am able. This video was super helpful!! I figured I would use a sloop, but I was having trouble visualizing a lot of its interior. This helped a lot. Thank you!
A game that would be interesting for him to look into and talk about would be Naval Action. Specially as it has "Pirates Republic" as a faction. They include a lot of different ships, starting out of course with the smaller ones such as Cutters, Snows, brigs and snakes. They do follow the design he speak about with the rounded hole and the small extra mast on the snow. There is an issue perhaps, as the game *seemingly* takes place in 1797 or there about, judging by the ships available. But it does feature MANY things that would be interesting to look into, such as modifications you can build onto your ships or perhaps just the various types of cargo.
It's always nice to see information about the "poor man's" side of history instead of the more glamorous war ships (though in this case the sloop would probably been been lower middle class;). It's a bit like people focusing on knights and their gear without talking about the hobilar light cavalry in the medieval period. Edited for a missing word.
This is great! The Bermuda sloop is beautiful expression of the type, with its raked mast. As a new subscriber, I look forward to checking out your catalogue of films! The ending of this one is a hoot. 🤣Wonderful stuff! 🌟👍
Great summary of the sloop! It is a great ship type (even though it's not actually a "ship"). And there were such cool designs - especially the Bermudan Sloops. Shame they are so misrepresented in most media. I wholeheartedly agree that Sid Meier's Pirates should get a (second) remake with customizable ships - I would be all over that! I still have a question though: Have you found any information on when the "bermuda sail" (as in a triangular mainsail without a gaff like on the Bermuda boat at 4:42) started to be used and if it was ever used on the Bermuda Sloop? I'm pretty sure the raked mast would've helped a great deal in having a triangular mainsail and it would probably even add to the "looking like a swordfish"-ness so often described. Personally, I like gaff sails better, but I can see the perks of reducing the risks of a heavy gaff falling onto the deck and killing people, especially on a short-handed crew like many merchants might've had.
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The Queen Anne’s Revenge sank off the coast of North Carolina, not in the Caribbean. The Beaufort Maritime Museum ran a lot of the archeological work and has pieces from the wreck (and free admission - highly worth a visit for those who find themselves nearby).
Loved the video! Especially the hull construction part. 🤩 It would be great to see more of these detailed videos on other ship types. It feels lite a very big project tho.😅 Thank you for a great video!
Great video with very interesting info of an interesting topic. Sad that the early sloops of buccaneer era are a bit mysterious (would love to learn more of them). Btw a small comment of Condent, he did set sail from the Caribbean with a sloop I think but soon he replaced it with a bigger Dutch ship (kinda highlighting the point made of sloops as mostly a regional or Atlantic vessels). Brooks wrote of him in detail I think. Anyway, great job in digging into the sloop construction and such. Very interesting and valuable work! I learned a lot of its more technical sides. Also great to see the sponsorship continuing. Cheers!🏴☠️
Very interesting and informative. I learned quite a bit about this ship. Another Game series that might be interesting for you could be Port Royal. Also I would love to see some other times of piracy. Maybe the Hanse time and Störtebecker.
It amazes me how many times Americans get confused over what a Bermuda type mast and rigging looked in this time period versus what is popularly called Bermuda rigging today. Many debates have occurred over the failure to understand there are two different meanings depending on time period.
The real reason there isn't a lot of sloop discover in the Caribbean,it's because it's such a chad that it didn't sink, it only turn into early versions of submarines /s. It's such an odd thing my country,the Dominican Republic, have never invested or show interest to search for old ships in general. But,tbh, we kinda ignore our history in general, unless it is for circlejerk ngl
Love this series! Would it be possible for you to provide information, or direction to, regarding the typical freeboard of vessels during the period? I have little trouble finding draught or depth of hold, but always the freeboard eludes me
I really appreciate the inclusion of scholarly resources! Been trying to make an early colonial schooner for some time, and "Ceder on the Reef" seems to have just what I need. One question though - on schooner rigged sloops, were both masts raked? Thanks!
Oh! Terminology! If you had not told me the correct pronunciation. I would only believe you was adding flare to "sail." But no! It was some long dead bastards. That added the flare to "sail!" But this is why I so do love to watch and listen to your channel. Keep up the good work sir!
The sloop in Sea of Thieves looks weird but is a consequence of how they designed the game. There are no fore and aft sails, only squaresails, and as such there isnt much customization there. The back of the ship being that open is also a design choice to help solo crews. That cabin is a mid deck between the main and lower deck, where if you get damage and need to bail water, you'd use a bucket and throw it out the back fairly easily. Regardless, the sloop has a lower learning curve in the game, and you can have up to 2 players on the ship at a time. And if you are two very good players, youd probably be the scarriest ship in the game as the sloop is far more maneuverable and able to quickly recover from ship battles. Galleons and brigantines are faster but not as agile, more area for damage, and need a bigger crew to manage (4 for galleon, 3 for brigantine) which their communication and skill determines if they sink or not. If the crew is equally skilled as you, it'd would be a struggle to come out on top and easily could get overwhelmed.
Galleons are only faster than sloops when they have the wind in their sails, if a sloop is chasing a galleon and neither ship has the wind, the sloop will catch up. Brigs are in the middle of everything and most players will agree they are pretty pointless as they don’t specialise in anything.
I would realky like your review on 'pirate' games. The two you mentioned, and I could add at least "Blood and gold: Carribean!", which is a mod for Mount and Blade game, and an old series of "Sea Dogs" games (the last one being Sea Dogs: to each his own).
I come here for interesting and reputable information, so when you roast certain comments I laugh. I'm not gonna even attempt to suggest I know anything about pirates. I just think it's cool.
A missed opportunity to look at Empire: Total War ships, as there are Caribean pirates in that too. Napoleon, I beleive has more accurate ships, but a bit later. Same goes for Ultimate Admiral: Age of Sail.
Hello! Wanted to mention that there is a mobile game called Pirates Caribbean Hunt for free and I would say it’s quite accurate when it comes to the ships!
A little bit of hopefully helpful feedback: For many international viewers it could be rather nice to also give rough metric equivalents of the imperial units used. Just putting it in brackets on the written text would really be enough.
Two reasons I love this channel: 1) the production value: extremely informative, good jokes, excellent visuals 2) the narrator has a great voice to fall asleep to, I'll make a Playlist of these videos and fall asleep, then watch them the next day.
Amazing video, congrats! Also I am a bit interested. If a ship like a sloop (25 tons) could take nearly 70 slaves and the sloop (11 tons) - 30 slaves, so what was the maximum amount tons of cargo this kind of ship could take? It seems more voluminous then it looks like
One thing that hasn't been covered, is figured heads on the front of ships. Like you see in the movies and games. Did they really exist? No documentary mentions ships having figure heads mounted on the the ship. Can you cover this topic please?
Did the sloops generally have cabins and holds? I was reading about Blackbeard's final fight and it mentioned how Blackbeard's sloop had a 'hold' meaning that it must have been large enough for one. Was this common in sloops? Or did only larger sloops have holds? Also I saw some pictures (like the ones you shared) where it looks like the sloops had cabins but was this common or were they generally too small for that? thanks.
Thanks for the video, truly enjoyed it. A band called "the beach boys" did a cool old song back in the day. It's called " sloop John b." Check it out if you get a chance.
14:16 I have a MASSIVE DOUBT. In other documentaries I've heard stuns'ls (studding sails) only being used in calm winds and had to be taken off when the wind blows stronger so that they may not strain the spars. please am need answer
Can anybody share any source materials in regards to interior of a specific ship , cannot seem to find it anywhere im reffering to a Russian Brit "Mercury" it has the rear captains quarter windows and looks fairly decorated but im not sure how it all fits inside . Or are the windows purely a decorative piece on the ship?
Yeah, Sea of Thieves isn't the most accurate portrayal of pirates lmao. The images you used for the Sloop are outdated, as they've since been outfitted with two swivel harpoons at the bow. The figurehead is a customization option, iirc the default is a regular head. I can see why the Sloop is given that sail, since that's the only sail configuration in the game. Keeping things simple for players so that they don't have to relearn entirely new sail controls makes total sense.
