I think it would be cool if you spent an episode talking about animals/animal groups that are completely extinct on Kaimere but still alive on earth. Since usually it's the opposite, I'd like to see a few examples of the other perspective.
Thank you! They definitely deserve more time than I was able to give them back then (was still working full time while writing books so was very short on time) and there's yet more I wasn't able to cover! Just means I have more to discuss in future sloth episodes, such as marine sloth diversity and the other Vulgarocnus species
@@TalesofKaimere also whilst I assume they're not too different from their mainland cousins, seeing some of the island dwarf designs would be really cool
I'm liking sloths the more you talk about them. It surprises me how closely they resemble bears in some cases and I'll never forget that they used to grow WAY larger than them. You did good expanding on their role in Kaimere and I look forward to what comes next.
@@TalesofKaimereHow do you make such distinctive creatures without just remaking other animals with different ancestors. You could’ve just made a manatee or hippo body plan for some sloths but you made very unique animals instead!
Another fantastic episode! Sloths are by far and away my favorite group of placental mammals so it’s amazing to get to learn even more about how they’re doing on Kaimere! Happy to see at least one species megathere is still around.
Ever since the first episode i've started to really appreciate sloths, and now this episode has greatly enhanced that love for the extinct xenarthrans. I can't wait to learn more about other xenarthrans in Kaimere as well!
This was honestly very fascinating, I'm curious to see videos relating to the mustelids, hyaenodonts, and predatory baboons of Kaimere that are done like this. This is awesome.
Thanks! I basically followed the osteoderm patterning pretty close aside from making them larger along the back for reinforced defense. Super happy with how they came together!
Given their energy needs and appetites, I take it boar Wojun and Hukolgur should be called Gluttons instead of Sloths. 😂 An excellent overview of one Kaimere's flagship clades! I love the updated designs and lore.
@TalesofKaimere Wrath is definitely at the top of that list! 😂 I am now very interested in the Anchored Period (especially since Terror Birds and other cenozoic fauna of South America are my favorites). I meant to ask, is there a chance any Sebecids or Sparassodonts made it to Kaimere? I imagine the open forests of Titan Gardens wouldn't be to their liking as seen with Phorusrhacids, but might relics exist in places like the Seridic Wetlands or jungles of the Crescent/Ni'khar?
This was a WONDERFULL AMAZING episode !!!!! Whithout ANY doubts one of the main major of the channel history, giving justly how Sloths are a major part of Kaimere along Firebirds and Megaraptoran ! I hope that one day others videos covering the others stuff that you wasn't able to cover or describe much (such the Dwarf Island Sloths, or the Aquatic Sloths) will one day occured ! Allowing you to expand and create more species (such maybe a predatory species of sloth, as the description of the video said it at the end of the text, althought so far, we only seen species that ate meat on occassion), or display again already made species such the burrowing myolodonts Emane, Tarem, Ukogur and Tauruul seen briefly in the first episode ! Whatever, this very current episode truly give the respect, admiration and recognition Sloths as a whole deserved, and as the odd, magnificient, incredible, spectacular, successfull and fascinating animals that Sloths were and still are in an extent ! By showing to us how diverse (in term of lineages and ecology, not by much in term of overall physical appearance thought), they are and were able to have !
We are blessed with an episode as hefty as the Hukolgur. 1. Are there any friend sized Hukolgur on the islands? 2. What's the craziest/most impressive thing a Hukolgur has done? I wanna hear a wacky story. 3. Is the OG Sakuur canon? If so, will it be redesigned/altered? 4. How come no marine sloths ever attained Hukolgur sizes? Given their chokehold on the Inland Sea, I would've expected more than just 4-5 tons. 5. Was the Byamdan cut from this video or is that one of the single species?
1. Some might get 'small' as in a few hundred pounds but I'm not sure about specifics on the island hukolgur. 2. All I've got canon is that they sometimes break up festivals, drink all the beer, and pass out for a day or two. 3. No. The new design isn't dramatically different, and the longer tail of the old one is found in the Seridic species that is more bipedal, but it wasn't nearly as good an illustration as the new one. It's a serviceable placeholder but not canon. 4. Might get there down the road, and actually have a pretty large species in both clades, but for now I wasn't able to draw them so will have to wait for later episodes. 5. Byamdan are rodents but they will get an episode next month!
Well done episode! New designs look great and additions to sloth roster are also good. My only criticism is that we didn't get all aquatic sloth species.
I think that's cool you're retconning your Sloths of Kaimere. I really like the new redesigns and species you added in the Kaimere bestiary showing how diverse they are ranging from small tree sloths to massive ground sloths like the Hukolgur which is really aggressive against Kaimerans to their natural predators like the Zentaur and Fireback.
Thanks! I wouldn't really call it a retcon since the canon hasn't changed just has improved art and more precision with the species. It's elaborated lore, not changed, but I get that it's a minor distinction.
No sponsor for horses yet but I'll hopefully get one down the road! It's on my list for unsponsored topics that deserve coverage given how important they are to the peoples of Kaimere.
This has to be the longest episode you've ever done, basically the size of a documentary episode, and I'm all here for it (third time rewatching). It's essentially an expanded and refined version of the old sloth episode, which was one of my favorites back then. All the additional lore, redesigns and newly introduced species are great. And I'm sure a lot more could be said down the line. In particular I hope thet you'll have the opportunity to go more in depth about the marine sloths and the simiomorphs at some point.
Thanks so much! Yeah there was 5 pages of material I ended up setting aside for future episodes since I knew I wouldn't be able to get it done in time with everything else on my plate. Had planned to draw every species along with redraws of some older art but I should have known that was too ambitious lol. As you said, just means I have more sloth material to cover in future episodes!
Wow, this is the longest Kaimere video yet. Way to go Keenan! I love all the expanded knowledge about the sloths and their diversity. But I want to know if some of the names given from your first sloth video still apply. The names confirmed to still be valid are the Hukolgor, the Urutumotu, the Gu, the Wojun or Red Bear Sloth, and the Black Sloth or Katamotu. The tree sloths include one three-toed and two of the two-toed sloths. The names I want a status update on are the aquatic sloths Mawiri, Gimurr and Biluur, and the prairie sloths Taruul, Emane, Ukugor, and Tarem. I really love what you did with the Sakuur. It's a fantastic new design! You're the gift that keeps on giving, Keenan!
Thanks so much! All those names are still canon, but most aren't regularly used by the Assembly and are instead regional names. Mawiri, gimuur and biluur are just a few species of marine thalassocnid.
SO GOOD! I honestly don't know much about Sloths so this was great. And I cannot wait to see the episode I sponsored finished, it'll be well worth the wait ^_^
@@IanPendleton-gh6ox You'll find out at the end of the year ^_^ (It is also at this point I've noticed my comment sent twice for some reason, sorry 'bout that)
I love the sloths of Kaimere so much. Here on Earth, even in paleo art giant sloths usually aren't taken very seriously being depicted as very passively munching on foliage or part of the landscape. Here not only are they taken seriously as herbivores with attitude like giant land hippos, they hold their own against the dinosaurs of this setting, don't count the mammals out yet!
I always love when you add some ambiguity to the information given. Like the simiomorph slots were originally kinda assumed to be a ghost lineage that came with the rest of the sloths, but now there's a very real possibility that they came way earlier which is so cool. Like they're such little things that you add, but they make a culture, a people or a scientific discussion feel so real.
Although it's only said that it look like a simiomorph and was confirmed closely related only to the cougar sloth, so it doesn't full on disprove them arriving in the second harvest
Thanks! Even as I finalize more, I like to keep a lot of it more ambiguous. Helps feel immersive, especially as we're constantly learning new elements of connection and relationship in taxonomy we didn't expect.
@@TalesofKaimere yeah that's one thing I haven't considered. Keeping things ambiguous can help you rearrange some things if real world taxonomy changes and new species get discovered.
really awesome video! I'm happy that there is such a wide diversity of sloths in Kaimere🦥 a question since the hukolgur is found in ni'khar is it possible that it occasionally clashes with the hippopotamus behemoth?
24:46 Forest Ogre: The risk I took was calculated, but boy, am I bad at math. He then proceeded to be mauled to death by a group of angry Hukolgur sows.
Amazing video! I love that youve started doing more remakes to old episodes, both this and the elephant series gave us so much insight into Kaimere's prehistory. One question i do have about the sloths is to do with their feet: i know ground sloths walked on the sides of their hind feet, but most depictions ive seen have their front feet knuckle walking like an anteater. Why do yours have all of their feet on the sides?
Thank you! Would have probably been a good opportunity to showcase the disparity between clades to have some on knuckles and others on the side as those are two theories I’ve encountered. I couldn’t find good pictures of any trackways aside from one where it was just on its hind feet so that wasn’t illustrative. I think it is a case of one theory being favored by a few artists and everyone generally following suit. I think having my megathere and the thalassocnids being more on their knuckles is something I may explore further.
@@TalesofKaimere Why the megatheres and thalassocnids specifically if I may ask? Are there mylodont tracks that show their front feet on the sides? Edit: Nvm, I found a paper that analysed _Mylodon darwinii_ forelimb anatomy and found that weight was borne on the sides of its hands. This is why I love your videos, you covering an extinct clade always gets me excited enough to research them myself!
@@thephilosoraptor8565 I hadn't seen that one specifically but I'd heard side walk suggested for mylodonts. Didn't know there was a paper on it though! Still might make the megatheres knuckle walkers just to differentiate them but keeping them on the side of the hands might make more sense. Will study and finalize whenever I get around to the thalassocnids
Loved the video, specially as ground sloths are on of my favorite extinct megafauna, such a shame that despite being so well adapted to almost everything they were so vulnerable to humans in our world. One small question why is it that the giant sloths have not expanded further north and east to the bigger continents and areas of massive dinosaurs, they seem like one of the few extremely huge mammal megafauna which would fare very well against the theropods and other massive dinosaurs in open environments, with their great ability to dig tunnels and burrows to shield themselves, their aquatic ability, great strength and defense against big predators and great efficiency and generalization eating plus relatively low metabolisms I think they could totally coexist and thrive with dinosaurs in open environments or at least semi-open ones, may I ask what is the reason they have not been able to expand?
I do plan on having sloths expand far north of the known world. However, they had not yet been harvested during the ease of passage 8-7 mya due to low sea levels, so while they made it to Kairul, it was after the major migration event so not in as substantial a number as you might think. Some grassland specialists did cross 1-.5 mya for the second low sea level event of the northern hemisphere, but those grass specialists would then face the challenge of houze grass.
While this has been popping up in your designs of large animals for quite a while now, I never mentioned that I adore the way you draw the elephant like musculature of the belly, down where it meets the back legs (if that makes sense) Makes the animals look really hefty
Glad you noticed! I may be over-applying it and I have no idea if it was present in sloths, but it does give a great sense of weight that I wasn't really conveying with a smoother waist.
Right on!! Definitely some of my favorite kaimere animals, especially after the redesigns. The Sakuur looks much better now! I'm stoked to craft these amazing beasts in the future!. On a different note, 24:51 That Ogre is well and truly fucked... in fact I don't think I've seen anybody so fucked before, even if he was the Bruce Lee of ogres he's still gonna get horribly mangled!
Glad to see a megathere is still surviving in Kaimere. Hukolgur are something else. Probably the only animal willing to try and stop a titan in its path (and have a possible chance). Probably the only mammal that can make a Zentuar crap itself as well. 39:01 I particularly like this image. Sloths really do just exist so they can be somebody else’s problem. Do Elephant Sloths come to blow with Hukolgur sometimes? I’d think combat between the two can only ever go south.
I'm curious Keenan, why did the portal continue to take more and more new fauna from earth, when there were already man specialised species already available to copy on Kaimere?
In universe: it only copies once per time through the portal. This helps to prevent inbreeding (as an extreme example, if it replicated the same individual male 3000 times, that doesn't enable a population) The meta reason why I don't have the portal just take animals from other parts of Kaimere is because then it wouldn't take new animals from Earth and that would undermine the point of the project lol
28:29 i just love to imagine an ukolgur smashing into city or village just to have his daily dose of ale like a a grandpa and getting drunk after twenty barils and have a sloth bad tripe with the entire settlement trying to stop the the beast just to be found sleeping in his back by kaimeran in the most incongruous place possible in the morning scraching his belly.
So, on Kaimere, in Modern Times, we have, at least, (whithin the Known World) as Sloths Species : 1. As Mylodonts sloths (Mylodontioidea - "2-Toed" sloths) = - 2 Choloepus 2-Toed Sloths species (the Greater 2-Toed Sloth and Lesser 2-Toed Sloth, identical to the modern extant species of the genus on Earth); - 3 species/subspecies of Mylodontidae Eionaletherium's descendants sloths (Elephant Sloths such the Arvelith Elephants Sloths and the Seridic/Marine Inland Sea Sakuur); - Several species of Mylodontidae mylodontini sloths (such Hog Sloth or Red River Sloth) - Several species of Mylodontidae Lestodonts/Lestodontini sloth, such the Hukolgur, or even 4 or 5 species of Vulgarocnus sloths (like the Red Common/Bear Sloth/Wojun, the Black Sloth, the Houze Lion Sloth (previousely thought to be a morph of the Wojun), and the Ni’Khari Mountain Sloth aka the Moutain Sloth (believed to be in its own part genus)). And several others like the many dwarf islands species whithin the Southern Khalin Sea Islands. - Several others burrowing sloths such the Tauruul, Ukugor, Emane, Tarem. A little apart of these species/groups, we also have : - 1 basal species of Myolodontoidea of the first sloths wave legacy from the First Post-Dynastic harvest around 14-13 mya (the Cougar Sloth) - 3 species of Simiomorph Sloths (Urutumotu, Gu and a third not named yet species). 2. As Megatheres (Megatheroidea - "3-Toed" sloths) = - 1 Bradypus 3-Toed Sloth species (The Spotted Three Toed Sloth); - 6 species of Nothrotheriidae Thalassocninae/Thalassoncomorphs Sloth (such the Buluur and Wawiri (swimming clade) or Gimnuur (pounting clade); - 1 last remaining surviving Megatheriidae Megathereiinae Sloth (the Reaper Sloth); 3. As Megalocnidae (Basal Sloths) - 1 single species of Neocnus (the Monkey Sloth); Of course, others species of sloths within and beyond the Known World also exist !
another wonderful video as always! this was very helpful information, as i am including various sloth in my spec evo world. i especially like the hukolgur redesign.
Thank you! Sloths are fascinating animals, and their diversity is so much greater than the usual 'small tree and giant megathere' and I'm really glad I got this sponsorship to better do them justice!
@@TalesofKaimere you certainly did do them justice all right! glad to see at least one megathere survived into modern kaimere too. it definitely earns the name “therizinocnus”
Huh, I like the diversity! Although I was suspecting WAY more giant sloth species, considering how diverse the habitats are and how adaptable the sloths are
I’m relatively new to the world of Kaimere but I’m interested in it and started binging it I wonder if there’s any light shedded on Spinosaurids that’d be pretty cool
Spinosaurs are extinct on Kaimere. Keenan has a vendetta against Spinosaurs after one tried to leak Kaimere to the public. Keenan has since personally hunted down every single one. (This is a joke)
@@Stooltoad5017 haha thats wild 💀. But in reality spinosaurus or the family in general would be a great canvas for some wonky ideas and concepts y’know considering that spinosaurus itself is inexplainable so Keenan could just mess around with it and make Kaimere Spinofaarus for all we know 🤔💀
I first came up with it when I was 12, almost 20 years ago. The original prompt was a fictional island for a creative writing class. Just kind of built from there and as I got more excited, I developed more.
@@TalesofKaimereIkr! And like, out of all the megafauna, Ground Sloths could've easily survived temperature changes and even humans. Surely SOME of them somewhere.
After this video I had a documentary about sloth pop-up in my 4U, There's actually a Cave in Lubbock That has the bodies of 4 of neolithic hunters That were slapped into paste by a Jefferson's ground sloth
@@TalesofKaimere thanks sooioo mich for replying😁 it's always so interesting to hear about zoos in worldbuilding. I wonder if they'll ever be covered in a video. It'll be interesting to compare the animal husbandry and the like there to modern accredited facilities. Again thank you so much for replying
Watching this video, I could imagine for future videos at feeding the mylodont sloths would be like feeding bears, megathere sloths like elephants, and marine sloths like manatees.
Girthy episode on our favourite xenarthrans. Are there any armadillos or glypodonts in Kaimere? Never-mind I go two minutes you just answered my question.
@@TalesofKaimere Whithin the Known World ? Because I hope that Glyptodonts and Armadillo found success also way beyond this region. After all, the Anchored Period was around 4-5 mya, which is a LARGE time to allow almost all Miocene South American legacy animals to spread far in Arvel, Ni'Khar and even going a little on Kairul. Also, Glyptodont could perfectly coexist with Ankylosaurid and Parankylosaurs, given Glyptodont are stricts herbivores, eating grasses and plants, while the two Ankylosaurs clades are generalist herbivores, foraging anf feeding on anything they can find on the ground. So, having Glyptodonts on Kairul wouldn't be farfecht, especially since the Over and the Houze Chelotaur live on the Houze Prairie, which itself is found greatly on Kairul (on it there more plants and grasses types in this said kairulan part for them).
@@dudotolivier6363 Time will tell if I get a glyptodont/armadillo sponsor! Would happily dive in but I don't want to prematurely answer until I have time for study and proper consideration
Regarding spread, probably not too much beyond the known world. Even before the houze spread it was quite inhospitable in northern Ni'Khar, and only cursorial specialists have made the journey. They are formidable swimmers, but I still think the open ocean is out of the question.
@@TalesofKaimere Yeah I wouldn't be surprised if the animals from the first harvest didn't establish themselves outside the known world, but then again it would be really cool
Could a Hukolgur ever encounter a Bokodu? Since hukolgurs could island hop and possible Bokodu sightings in ni Khar. Imagine them fighting over a carcass.
Hukolgur would almost certainly not survive the heat of northern Ni'Khar so would struggle to get up there to make the crossing. Bokodu boar do sometimes wander into ni'khar, so that's a possible avenue for them to meet. Would be quite an encounter!
@@TalesofKaimere that's fair, although you could always be devious and introduce something completely made up from Antarctica, because we really don't know that much...
@@IanPendleton-gh6ox All I remember is reading about them in my studied for this episode, but disregarded it as something to look into since Antarctica was outside the range. I believe it was a mylodont but we may not even know that much. I don't remember where I saw it so unfortunately can't say much more.
You say the Hukolgur's old art is outdated because you based it too heavily on Eremotherium, but what exactly makes the Hukolgur and Eremotherium so different so as to not share the same bodyplan?
Hey just saying but have you heard of the Killer Armadillos that used to exist some of those were the size of bears so maybe a species of rhino sized ones on Kaimere maybe with them slowly beating the Bokodu for the niche that the Bokodu currently has Edit: Never mind I just found out you already have them in the world as Armored Jackals or whatever you called them
Yup! Got a species of Macroeuphractus. They’re smaller than the largest species on Earth but being smaller generalists, they could well be positioned to take a larger niche down the road!
Surprising nobodies done the Patreon thing for Armadillos, yet Ant-Eaters, Sloths, Litopterns, Sloths, Toxodonts, and A Few other SA fauna have all gotten there vid (also im excited for Angry bird August (ima call it that))
23:18 I'm sorry, what rule? It sounded like wrench, but looking up wrench's rule fo-alt get me anything, and if the term was written on screen, I couldn't read it.
Wondrously episode (and extensively long) and an important video for kaimere also not be rude when is the lost hellfighter, the bestiary and an updated version of your first with new illustrations and mentions of the new animals are coming? Also, when an updated parkosaur video is coming , not to rush, you can take your time
All those projects don't have release dates yet. For now, I need to prioritize projects like these episodes that bring in funds. Next year I will have more time to develop them.
That's what a lot of folks default to in folk wisdom. Much easier to repair a single hole in the wall than an entire village. Even if you kill it, now you have 12 tons of meat a village couldn't possibly butcher, spoils water and soil, and draws in scavengers.
@@TalesofKaimere Your reply made me imagine a following picture: a village demolished and a Hukolgur dead, but not before reducing a lot of the village's best warriors and hunters to gore and killing many more beyond that. The survivors look on the devastation unsure what to even do... and then a Zentaur, attracted byt the smell of the carcass, pops its head through the hole in the wall that the Hukolgur made and is like "why hello there!".
Okay this is probably a question that everybody knows the answer to and im an idiot for not knowing but what the heck is that giant version of a common drake in the thumbnail? It looks like its squaring up against a hukolgur so why is it that big?
That would be the qotaur! Looks a bit different than it did back in the parksosaur episode a few years ago. I have a thescelosaur episode coming up (probably January) that will explore it in greater detail.
There was some niche partitioning (sparassodonts and crocs did better in jungles for the most part while North American carnivorans favored the few grasslands) but both took a hit when titans came and opened the forests, enabling large theropods and cockatrices to be favored
