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Slovakian Math Olympiad | 2015/2016 

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@adamdzavoronok5396
@adamdzavoronok5396 3 года назад
Greetings from Slovakia 🇸🇰
@adamdzavoronok5396
@adamdzavoronok5396 3 года назад
Here is another nice problem from our olympiad k is nonzero integer. Show that equation: k=(x^2-xy+2y^2)/(x+y) has odd number of integer solutions (x,y) if and only if k is divisible by 7.
@anonymous15yearsago99
@anonymous15yearsago99 3 года назад
Ahoj muj kamarad, jsem finsky
@yaxizhang9455
@yaxizhang9455 3 года назад
Ako sa mash from China
@arsenijearsic309
@arsenijearsic309 3 года назад
Naši priatel'ia! 🇸🇰🇷🇸
@e1woqf
@e1woqf 3 года назад
Greetings from 🇩🇪
@gogulakrishnaa6706
@gogulakrishnaa6706 3 года назад
I think can be done even simpler as follows: We can frame the equation as a(b+c)^2+c(a-b)^2=4a We got above one by adding and subtracting 2abc in LHS and taking common ones out. This gives us,(b+c)^2=4-(c(a-b)^2)/a), so max value of b+c=2 which occurs when a=b. This the triplet is (2-c,2-c,c).
@aniketsen6845
@aniketsen6845 3 года назад
I also done in the same way...Thats great😃
@Tiqerboy
@Tiqerboy 3 года назад
Question I have, how would you dream up that approach in the time constraints of a math contest? I would never think of that. I'll chalk this one up as "one I didn't get" , LOL My approach was to find a in terms of b and c but nothing obvious popped out.
@gogulakrishnaa6706
@gogulakrishnaa6706 3 года назад
@@Tiqerboy the idea is to get relation for b+c. Since we have ab^2+ ac^2 term in LHS. We can get (b+c)^2 in LHS by adding and subtracting 2abc. And thus get our relation by taking square root both side.
@aniketsen6845
@aniketsen6845 3 года назад
@Tiqerboy many times it would depend on the questions too..but yeah this method first comes in mind obviously when there are 3 different variables and nothing seems relatable to each other because somehow we have to relate the terms (b+c) in some other expressions to find out maximum value of it
@Blabla0124
@Blabla0124 3 года назад
Cant you just say that a and b must be equal because x^2 + y^2 > 2xy if x and y are not equal?
@red0guy
@red0guy 3 года назад
that would have been much faster indeed, but you still would have needed plug a and b into the equation to see what is the result, I thinl
@peterszoldan150
@peterszoldan150 3 года назад
@@red0guy Yes but that's super quick, (a+c)(a^2+ac)=a(a+c)^2=4a => a=b=2-c, same result, much quicker.
@dansman1729
@dansman1729 3 года назад
The way I did this problem was to rewrite (a+c)(b^2+ac) as a(b+c)^2 + c(b-a)^2. so we have a(b+c)^2 + c(b-a)^2=4a (b+c)^2 =4 - (c/a)(b-a)^2 and we notice that (c/a)(b-a)^2 is always greater or equal than 0, so the maximum value of (b+c)^2 is 4 and the maximum value of b+c is 2. We get this maximum value only when (c/a)(b-a)^2=0. Since a and c cannot be 0, we know this only happens when a=b. b+c=2 so b=2-c. We know a=b so a=2-c. And so, all triples (a,b,c) are of the form (2-c,2-c,c) where 0
@JirivandenAssem
@JirivandenAssem 3 года назад
Do you know why (a^2+b^2)c eaqles 2abc @bruh
@anastasissfyrides2919
@anastasissfyrides2919 3 года назад
my solution as well.
@steeb79
@steeb79 3 года назад
I think that c=0,b=2,a=anything is also a working solution
@shophaune2298
@shophaune2298 3 года назад
All three must be strictly positive, i.e. 0 is not a valid value for any variable.
@hans-juergenbrasch3683
@hans-juergenbrasch3683 3 года назад
At 5:52 we not only have b+c=2 as a maximum, but also a^2+b^2=2ab implying a=b 'to ensure equality in the inequality'. Direct substitution of a=b, and c=2-b yields that the triple (b,b,2-b) for 0
@quintonpierre
@quintonpierre 3 года назад
For the achievability, one can alterantively argue that x^2+y^2=2xy if and only if x=y and so in order to have equality in the first part you need a=b. Once you have this you can rewrite the initial equation as (b+c)(b^2+bc)=4b, we can simplify it by b to obtain that (b+c)^2=4 hence b=2-c by positivity of b and c.
@-JiminP-
@-JiminP- 3 года назад
My solution (actually pretty much the same as the guy before me): as a quadratic equation of a, the given equation can be written as ca^2 + (b^2 + c^2 - 4)a + cb^2 = 0. Note that, since all of a, b, c are positive, (b^2 + c^2 - 4) must be negative. From this fact and the root formula for the quadratic equation, it can be seen that a positive root exists as long as the determinant is non-negative. The determinant for the quadratic equation is (b^2 + c^2 - 4)^2 - 4b^2c^2, and this being non-negative is equivalent to (b+c)^2
@benjaminvatovez8823
@benjaminvatovez8823 3 года назад
Thanks for the solution. I suggest this slightly shorter way: 4a = a(b²+c²)+c(a²+b²) = a(b+c)²-2abc+c(a-b)²+2abc, thus (b+c)² = 4-((a-b)²/c)
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 3 года назад
11:57 To je dobré miesto na zastavenie This is from Putnam 1968 so probably die hard fans of the competition may have already done this problem. Answer in the comments... Find all finite polynomials whose coefficients are all ±1 and whose roots are all real.
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 3 года назад
Answer= ±(x + 1), ±(x - 1), ±(x² + x - 1), ±(x² - x - 1), ±(x³ + x² - x - 1) and ±(x³ - x² - x + 1). The linear and quadratic polynomials are easy to find (and it is easy to show that they are the only ones). Suppose the polynomial has degree n ≥ 3. Let the roots be k_i. Then ∑ k_i² = (∑ k_i)² - 2 ∑(k_i × k_j) = a² ± 2b, where a is the coefficient of x^(n-1) and b is the coefficient of x^(n-2). Hence the arithmetic mean of the squares of the roots is (a² ± 2b)/n. But it is at least as big as the geometric mean which is 1 (because it is an even power of c, the constant term). So we cannot have n > 3. For n = 3, we must have b the opposite sign to the coefficient of x^n and it is then easy to check that the only possibilities are those given above.
@jamescollis7650
@jamescollis7650 3 года назад
@@goodplacetostop2973 Very nice. How do you 'check' though that e.g. x^3+x^2-x+1 is not a possibility?
@hamiltonianpathondodecahed5236
@hamiltonianpathondodecahed5236 3 года назад
wait a min , you solve problems also (・o・) {not being rude or anything}
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 3 года назад
@@hamiltonianpathondodecahed5236 Usually I give the answer few hours after I post the homework but today I’ve decided to change it. I post directly the answer so people don't have to wait
@goodplacetostop2973
@goodplacetostop2973 3 года назад
@@jamescollis7650 With ax³+bx³+cx+d, the discriminant Δ is equal to b²c²−4ac³−4b³d−27a³d³+18abcd. If Δ
@kavitabani6340
@kavitabani6340 3 года назад
Kudos on the videos Michael, they are really fun to watch and thank you for educating us
@get2113
@get2113 3 года назад
Linear objective function subject to quadratic constraint: use the method of Lagrange .
@therealhotwatertunes
@therealhotwatertunes Год назад
i was looking for this! (:
@virajagr
@virajagr 3 года назад
We can find the triples more easily:- When b+c = 2, Then going back tells us that a²+b² = 2ab Which means (a-b)² = 0 hence a-b = 0 or a = b and we are done
@ravinderbhandari1974
@ravinderbhandari1974 3 года назад
howd you get a^2 + b^2 = 2ab
@virajagr
@virajagr 3 года назад
@@angelmendez-rivera351 have we met before? In bprp comment section?
@ravinderbhandari1974
@ravinderbhandari1974 3 года назад
@@angelmendez-rivera351 oh right, thanks! i was trying to manipulate original statement
@arthurreitz9540
@arthurreitz9540 3 года назад
That's a job for my friend the method of Lagrange multipliers
@jasonleelawlight
@jasonleelawlight 3 года назад
My solution: let x=b+c, then substitute in to cancel c, then treat a as the main variable and b&c as parameters, then we can get a quadratic equation of a, then we have the determinant >=0 since a is a real number, that will give us the upper bound of x is no greater than 2. The rest part is the same, that is construct the generic solutions with a free variable which in passing also proves that x=2 can really be reached which completes the first part logically.
@AnkhArcRod
@AnkhArcRod 3 года назад
My solution for the triplet that solves for the original equation is: [ (p-k^2)/k , sqrt((p-k^2)(4-p)/p) , k] where, 0
@TechToppers
@TechToppers 3 года назад
Well, I think AM-GM inequality is well known and you can use it to solve the problem. (a+c)(b²+ac)=4a By AM-GM Inequality, we have: (ab²+a²c+b²c+ac²)/4≥(ab²•a²c•b²c•ac²)^1/4 ==> a≥abc ==> 1≥bc For the expression to achieve maximum value, bc=1. Now again use AM-GM inequality (intuitive as you see √(bc)) on b and c: (b+c)/2≥√(bc) b+c≥2 So, b+c=2. Edit: This is wrong... Huh...
@jofx4051
@jofx4051 3 года назад
Very short and very well explained 😀
@TechToppers
@TechToppers 3 года назад
@@jofx4051 It's wrong... I think
@kasuha
@kasuha 3 года назад
Regarding the triples it also works for any a when b=2 and c=0.
@anastasissfyrides2919
@anastasissfyrides2919 3 года назад
c cannot be zero
@thomasoa
@thomasoa 3 года назад
You can get a=b from the first part more easily, because if not, a^2+b^2>2ab and thus you have strict inequality if b+c=2. So, if b+c=2, the only way 4a=... is if a=b.
@pikkutonttu2697
@pikkutonttu2697 3 года назад
I noticed that it possible to do the multiplication on the left side and then divide by abc to get a/b + b/a + b/c + c/b = 4/bc. This looks a lot like a number plus its inverse twice, which is always at least 2+2=4. So we have bc must be less or equal to 1. Now I forgot what was I thinking, sorry.
@jamesfortune243
@jamesfortune243 3 года назад
This problem is well posed and devious. It's a great test question. Brilliant solution. My only suggestion for the problem is that the equation be changed such that the maximum of b+c is 42. :)
@nikitakipriyanov7260
@nikitakipriyanov7260 3 года назад
You're forcing those who want to solve an olympiad to immediately recognize 1764 is the square of 42. That's not apparent to a normal people.
@failsmichael2542
@failsmichael2542 3 года назад
We can easily deduce that b^2 = 4a/(a + c) - ac so we need to find the maximum of sqrt{4a/(a + c) - ac} + c. It is difficult to guess a maximum value so let us just suppose that sqrt{4a/(a + c) - ac} + c
@mathadventuress
@mathadventuress 3 года назад
Anyone else come here to get inspiration on doing their homework? I can't understand any of this stuff. But his methodology is off the charts.
@brinzanalexandru2150
@brinzanalexandru2150 2 года назад
My method was to rewrite the initial equation as a quadratic in a that looks like this ca²+(b²+c²-4)a+cb²=0 now the discriminant is b⁴+c⁴-2b²c² -8b²-8c²+16 which factors into (b-c-2)(b-c+2)(b+c-2)(b+c+2) now we set this ≥0 in order to have real solutions well in this inequality there are a bunch of cases but it's not so hard to go trough all so finally we see that the maximum achievable value of b+c is 2 and the rest is like in the video.
@HagenvonEitzen
@HagenvonEitzen 3 года назад
6:02 No! Please don't wipe important stuff away. Whenever one derives / uses inequalities, it is best to do bookkeeping about all "... with equality iff (some condition)" notes. -- Here: (x-y)^2 >= 0 with equality iff x=y. Hence x^2+y^2 >= 2xy with equality iff x=y, and later ... + (a^2+b^2)c >= ... + 2abc with equality iff a=b. And of course $b+c
@theartisticactuary
@theartisticactuary 3 года назад
A tiny loss of rigour there. Showing b+c can't exceed 2 gives us AN UPPER LIMIT for b+c not THE MAXIMUM. It's only proven to be the maximum once you come up with a b+c=2 example. I did maths at Uni and these little losses of rigour got stamped on by our pure maths supervisors like walnuts at Christmas when there were no nutcrackers in the house.
@crazyAngol
@crazyAngol 3 года назад
If you multiply it out and divide by a you get b^2 +cb^2/a +ac +c^2=4. We know cb^2/a must be an integer because all the other terms are integers. At least one term (a,b,c) must be equal to zero or otherwise all these products must be equal to 1. From there a solution is easy
@rocky171986
@rocky171986 3 года назад
a,b,c do not need to be integers, and isn't constrained to be so in the problem
@debayuchakraborti1963
@debayuchakraborti1963 3 года назад
Hi Michael.. I would like u to do one question from the 2015 Indian National Math Olympiad Problem 1 , I tried it and my solution and all the other solutions I have seen to the problem were too bashy ..Let ABC be a right-angled triangle with ∠B = 90◦ . Let BD be the altitude from B on to AC. Let P, Q and I be the incentres of triangles ABD, CBD and ABC respectively. Show that the circumcentre of of the triangle PIQ lies on the hypotenuse AC. I HOPE U DO THIS PROBLEM ... LOVE FROM INDIA!! KEEP THE GOOD WORK ON!!
@chhabisarkar9057
@chhabisarkar9057 3 года назад
Lol aise thodi na suggest karte hai xD mail karo and also this channel mostly does algebraic and NT problems , not geometry xD (no offense tho)
@srijanbhowmick9570
@srijanbhowmick9570 3 года назад
@@chhabisarkar9057 Toke aami sob jayegaye dekhi
@chhabisarkar9057
@chhabisarkar9057 3 года назад
@@srijanbhowmick9570 lmao
@TechToppers
@TechToppers 3 года назад
@@chhabisarkar9057 Yeh Banda yahan bhi hai... Wah Bhai...
@debayuchakraborti1963
@debayuchakraborti1963 3 года назад
Woww we all got united here.....but trying out a Geometry problem would be a new thing and Mike clearly said that we can give suggestions here
@HemantPandey123
@HemantPandey123 3 года назад
WIth bc
@olowolo70
@olowolo70 3 года назад
b and c are Real, not Nautal, so for example you can have b = 1/2 and c = 2
@KirbyTheKirb
@KirbyTheKirb 3 года назад
Your videos are amazing.
@txikitofandango
@txikitofandango 3 года назад
Had to sleep on it, but got it this morning. Rewrote it as (b+c)^2 + (c/a)(a-b)^2 = 4. So the max for b+c is 2, and this occurs when a-b=0, therefore (a,a,2-a), a in (0,2), is the solution set.
@txikitofandango
@txikitofandango 3 года назад
you can turn b^2 + c^2 into (b+c)^2 by adding and subtracting 2bc. Then group the minus term in with a^2 + b^2 to turn it into (a-b)^2. I loved that.
@txikitofandango
@txikitofandango 3 года назад
I got stuck because I tried to write the whole thing as a polynomial in b+c, with only a's and constants as coefficients.
@bhanusri3732
@bhanusri3732 3 года назад
(a,2,0) is also a triple that gives maximum value of b+c = 2
@vinc17fr
@vinc17fr 3 года назад
By hypothesis, c > 0, so that this is not OK.
@beautifulworld6163
@beautifulworld6163 2 года назад
Thank you❤
@laszloliptak611
@laszloliptak611 3 года назад
The initial observation does not need the condition that x and y are positive, as (x-y)^2>=0 holds for all reals. You are simply reproving the arithmetic mean-geometric mean inequality. A more straightforward solution is as follows: The given equation is quadratic in "a": a^2*c+a(b^2+c^2-4)+b^2c=0, so use the quadratic formula to find its solutions for "a" in terms of b and c. It has a real solution for "a" as long as its discriminant is nonnegative. This inequality is (b^2+c^2-4)^2-4*b^2*c^2>=0, which simplifies to (b^2-c^2-4)^2 >= 16c^2. Using the positivity of a,b,c, we get that the coefficient of the linear term must be negative, thus b^2+c^2=4c, which in turn simplifies to (2-c)^2>=b^2, which simplifies to 2-c>=b (since c
@Kokurorokuko
@Kokurorokuko 3 года назад
Wonderful factorizations here
@ethancheung1676
@ethancheung1676 3 года назад
5:55 notice for the equality to hold, we can immediately deduce that a=b
@ibrahimbangura2893
@ibrahimbangura2893 3 года назад
Can u explain that
@ethancheung1676
@ethancheung1676 3 года назад
Notice he makes it into inequality by using a^2+b^2 >= 2ab, which comes from (a-b)^2 >= 0. And that holds when a=b
@wospy1091
@wospy1091 3 года назад
True, nice catch
@i_deepeshmeena
@i_deepeshmeena 3 года назад
We have bc
@shahidafridi528
@shahidafridi528 3 года назад
AM is greater not less
@MsBombastik
@MsBombastik 2 года назад
You only checked lhs on last equation. how about c = 0(rhs), so b = 2, and a will be (0, +infinity)
@johanneskunz9096
@johanneskunz9096 3 года назад
Well I do not think it is a big mistake, but the triples (2-b,b,2-b) should also work but are different triples
@nowaayy_
@nowaayy_ 3 года назад
The Schweitzer Memorial math Competition problems are famously hard. Maybe you would give them a try.
3 года назад
Trump : nobody knows math better than me. Biden : snooze.......
@NishantKumar-xw3lg
@NishantKumar-xw3lg 3 года назад
Wonderful question as well as wonderful answer From India
@egillandersson1780
@egillandersson1780 3 года назад
If a=0, b or c must be =0, too and there is no maximum for b+c.
@ethancheung1676
@ethancheung1676 3 года назад
I like this question that it has some “dead ends”.
@crazy4hitman755
@crazy4hitman755 3 года назад
Thank you!
@luciangv3252
@luciangv3252 3 года назад
and we will derive C? for the maxium value?
@sea34101
@sea34101 3 года назад
You forgot the c=0 case. If c=0, then b=2 then any a works. so the triple (a,2,0) a ∈ ℝ is solution too.
@rocky171986
@rocky171986 3 года назад
Problem explicitly says a,b,c is in the open interval (0,inf) i.e. not containing 0
@alexandruvasile9728
@alexandruvasile9728 3 года назад
From Cauchy-Buniakovski-Schwarz's inequality we have : (b+c)^2
@emanuellandeholm5657
@emanuellandeholm5657 3 года назад
I tried the subst. x = a+b, y = b+c and z=a+c. x, y, z in R^3, x > 0, y > 0, z> 0. The constraining eq. looks worse in x, y, z. :(
@h4z4rd28
@h4z4rd28 3 года назад
Zdravím zo Slovenska
@djvalentedochp
@djvalentedochp 3 года назад
você é muito bom em lecionar
@baptistebermond2082
@baptistebermond2082 3 года назад
Don't you also have the triple (a,2,0) which is working for any positive a?
@stephenbeck7222
@stephenbeck7222 3 года назад
Yes but in the question all 3 variables must be greater than 0.
@TheQEDRoom
@TheQEDRoom 3 года назад
we cannot consider the case where c is 0 because all a,b,c are in the open interval 0 to infinity. so c cannot be 0.
@baptistebermond2082
@baptistebermond2082 3 года назад
@@TheQEDRoom thanks for this answer, with his notation I did notnotice the open interval
@s4623
@s4623 3 года назад
11:16 If c (a+(c-2))^2 = 0, can't we just set c =0 for a to be any positive real number and b = 2 from b = 2-c? that seems to be a part of solution missing at the end.
@srijanbhowmick9570
@srijanbhowmick9570 3 года назад
Problem explicitly says a,b,c is in the open interval (0,inf) i.e. not containing 0
@mariangloser8382
@mariangloser8382 3 года назад
Yay, Slovakia!
@marshalls36
@marshalls36 3 года назад
Good
@joshgc1939
@joshgc1939 3 года назад
Part 2: it seems like a=1, b=1 and c=1 works :p
@aahaanchawla5393
@aahaanchawla5393 3 года назад
such an underwhelming solution
@suniltshegaonkar7809
@suniltshegaonkar7809 3 года назад
at 3:45, the sum of squares is replaced by twice the product, so the equality must be less than not greater than. i.e. < 2 abc + 2 abc. not > than as mentioned. Because the product is the smaller number than the sum of Square.
@MrBricks148
@MrBricks148 3 года назад
I just made everything 1 and it works... Am I doing this right?
@hybmnzz2658
@hybmnzz2658 3 года назад
Combined with b+c
@jofx4051
@jofx4051 3 года назад
It works but you should proof it with statement for stronger argument
@gustavowadaslopes2479
@gustavowadaslopes2479 3 года назад
Wait, what about c=0 a=0 b=2?
@TheQEDRoom
@TheQEDRoom 3 года назад
a,b or b cannot be 0 because they are in the open interval 0 to infinity.
@gustavowadaslopes2479
@gustavowadaslopes2479 3 года назад
@@TheQEDRoom I though it was a closed interval
@reamick
@reamick 3 года назад
@@gustavowadaslopes2479 [0, 2] would be a closed interval.
@Kitchen2603
@Kitchen2603 3 года назад
Wishes from India 🇮🇳🇮🇳
@thatsfushen
@thatsfushen 3 года назад
2022 ayt matematik 8. soru
@sung-ryulkim6590
@sung-ryulkim6590 3 года назад
You can just put in a=1, b=1, c=1 and be done. Obviously what you have given is more and useful information, though.
@MichalMarsalek
@MichalMarsalek 3 года назад
Whats "Slovakian"? Adjective of "Slovakia" is "Slovak", right? "Slovakian" sounds odd as hell....
@samwalko
@samwalko 3 года назад
To me, a native English speaker, it sounds normal. But upon further research, it seems to just be a common mistake for a number of Eastern Europeans (e.g. Serbians instead of Serbs, etc.).
@luna9200
@luna9200 3 года назад
Am I the only one that wanted to do this with a surface integral? Lol
@mithutamang3888
@mithutamang3888 3 года назад
TUM SAALA HO GAYA MICHAEL PENN!!! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@user-A168
@user-A168 3 года назад
Good
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