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SLS VS Starship: Why does SLS still exist?! 

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NASA just announced the lunar landers for the Artemis program and to everyone’s surprise, SpaceX’s MASSIVE Starship is actually one of the landers NASA chose alongside Blue Origin and Dynetics.
And this is bringing up a lot of questions, some of which we’ll answer in my next video, “Should NASA just cancel SLS and use Starship and / or other commercial launchers for Artemis?”. But today I think we need to settle a lot of debates here first about these two rockets and now more than ever, it’s time we truly pit them head to head.
Part II - Artemis VS Apollo HERE - • Can Starship Help Make...
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00:00 - Intro
05:50 - What Makes a Vehicle a Super Heavy Lift Launcher
09:00 - The History of SLS and Orion
18:05 - The Progress and Inventory of SLS/Orion and Starship
27:30 - The Philosophies of Starship and SLS
34:55 - Starship VS SLS
41:50 - Conclusion
Article version [with sources] - everydayastronaut.com/sls-vs-...
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Комментарии : 7 тыс.   
@lestermagnuson939
@lestermagnuson939 3 года назад
I just turned 60. I witnessed the moon landing when I was 8 years old, you young people will witness unbelievable things, I envy you
@MrCombuster
@MrCombuster 3 года назад
I have this urge to say okay boomer but i respect you i always wished i could see the moon landing.
@cyber774
@cyber774 3 года назад
I wish I was born in those times to witness that kind of amazement.
@MrCombuster
@MrCombuster 3 года назад
@bullsballs okay boomer
@pickleism253
@pickleism253 3 года назад
@mister kluge covid19?
@boneyconey
@boneyconey 3 года назад
@@pickleism253 or conflict with our friends in china
@Eylrid
@Eylrid 4 года назад
Starship + Superheavy will now be known as "Starship on the cob"
@nfrmis4825
@nfrmis4825 4 года назад
Squid on a cob
@claytonm2238
@claytonm2238 2 года назад
yes
@AidenHere
@AidenHere Месяц назад
Cob on a cob now
@danny80268
@danny80268 3 года назад
The thing I still find most amazing is, well, the Saturn V used literally visible magnets as it's memory for the guidance system programming. This memory was a wire grid sewn BY HAND with iron rings as memory bits. The fact that the Saturn V and lunar module running on magnetic core memory, with only a few kilobits of memory, made it to the moon is astounding. That is still being compared to modern completely digital guidance systems.
@o.m.b.demolitionenterprise5398
@o.m.b.demolitionenterprise5398 2 года назад
*cough* mars climate orbiter
@bricefleckenstein9666
@bricefleckenstein9666 2 года назад
Magnetic core was still being used as primary memory in many new computers into the 1970s. It just didn't scale as well as semiconductor memory, which is why it eventually died.
@foobarmaximus3506
@foobarmaximus3506 Год назад
Magnetic core memory is still used in certain applications, for very good reasons.
@danny80268
@danny80268 Год назад
@@foobarmaximus3506 that’s amazing!! Can you elaborate on where it’s used today? And like why? There must be a good reason. Thanks for the response!!
@danny80268
@danny80268 Год назад
@@bricefleckenstein9666 it’s just so amazing to me (a millennial) that my phone has GB of memory but only KB were needed to guide us to the moon. That’s why I got into engineering, I wanted to know how it worked! Thanks for the response!
@BEstudent
@BEstudent 3 года назад
Anyone else here after SN10 bottle flipped itself, landed and then RUD'ed itself to glory?
@2k7u
@2k7u 3 года назад
yup
@sly_cooper393
@sly_cooper393 3 года назад
👋. Crazy they're on SN19 (though they skipped a few)
@shamsudeenma1928
@shamsudeenma1928 3 года назад
@@sly_cooper393 They skipped 12, 13(good choice) and 14. So they have 11, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19. So 6 prototypes
@SrJose41
@SrJose41 3 года назад
The madman literally made a backflip, landed on his feet and then proceeded to explote, what a legend
@area51z63
@area51z63 3 года назад
LOL you missed the ones that blew up evidentially. Now can you tell me what the gaskets are made of that they can reliably withstand rocket engine in reverse heat. LOL you have no clue
@richardgould-blueraven
@richardgould-blueraven 4 года назад
Imagine the high school reunions. 10 year reunion, water tower construction. 20 year reunion, rocket scientist
@RepRapper
@RepRapper 4 года назад
Thats funny, and thats from a rocket scientist who now controls water towers.
@memyselfishness
@memyselfishness 4 года назад
*Rocket Engineer
@zilfondel
@zilfondel 4 года назад
20 years? It hasnt even been 5.
@noahkalnas97
@noahkalnas97 4 года назад
@@zilfondel whoosh.
@azargelin
@azargelin 4 года назад
yea imagine thaat haha
@technik27
@technik27 4 года назад
Seriously Tim, this series of in depth documentaries are easily the highest quality content on the internet today about space engineering.
@MrRubenkl
@MrRubenkl 4 года назад
Be fair to Scott Manley!
@zoidburg2975
@zoidburg2975 4 года назад
Too long, I have a life.
@technik27
@technik27 4 года назад
@@MrRubenkl Yeah, no disrespect. Scott makes really awesome and original content too :)
@iplaygames1999
@iplaygames1999 4 года назад
@@zoidburg2975 I doubt
@rohscx
@rohscx 4 года назад
I wholeheartedly agree!
@Crunch_dGH
@Crunch_dGH Год назад
Revisiting this episode after 2+ years. Great to realize what’s changed!
@janeydoe7417
@janeydoe7417 Год назад
What has changed is that Elon s¡mps arent coping but seething.
@Epicurus0
@Epicurus0 Год назад
@@janeydoe7417 Wah wah elon bad :'(
@paurodriguezriera7979
@paurodriguezriera7979 Год назад
@@Epicurus0 Starship go boom
@Legion849
@Legion849 Год назад
@@paurodriguezriera7979 I like that reference
@jebes909090
@jebes909090 7 месяцев назад
@@paurodriguezriera7979 more like nasa go round the moon, starship go boom
@MrZak-rf3vq
@MrZak-rf3vq 2 года назад
Are you an everyday astronaut at this point? You’re a human encyclopedia of knowledge in rocket and space exploration technology. Not everybody has the ability to do what you do and deliver the information as well as you do. Dude, it’s impressive. Keep up the great work.
@vueport99
@vueport99 Год назад
No but he's successfully time traveled from the future... Shhhh
@bobjoatmon1993
@bobjoatmon1993 4 года назад
My father was a NASA engineer (Gemini, Apollo and Shuttle at E&D [Engineering and Development]) and frequently complained about how everything was structured to cost the most and fund contractors at the expense of progress. Thanks for the boiled down concentrate on this issue.
@holyravioli5795
@holyravioli5795 4 года назад
Welcome to america, i dare you to say one government or private institution that doesn't do this. Even musk is guilty of this.
@dyingearth
@dyingearth 4 года назад
Sci-fi writer Jerry Pournelle was commissioned to do a study on NASA. He coined the concept the Iron Law of Bureaucracy. Basically there are 2 kind of people in any given organization. The ones interested in the stated mission of the organization. And the bureaucrats that's interested in continuing the organization regardless of what the mission is. The law states the 2nd group will always gain control,
@DavyCrocket2003
@DavyCrocket2003 4 года назад
Holy Ravioli Elon has NEVER placed ANYTHING ahead of progress. He has shown time and again that he will invest everything he has to further progress, even if it seems likely he will fail.
@wizardnetwork
@wizardnetwork 4 года назад
@@dyingearth Sad, but True... Because most of the real talent tends to be in the first group.
@bobjoatmon1993
@bobjoatmon1993 4 года назад
@@dyingearth Back then there were mostly 'true believers' down in the trenches. I can remember backyard BBQs where they hashed out lots of stuff, month after month. By the time the Shuttle program was mature most of the old guys had retired and all that was left were people there to collect a paycheck. I still know people at Clear Lake NASA but there's no fire in their bellies not spirit of being part of an adventure. Note my Dad bought a color TV when most were B&W and lots didn't even have one. One of my best memories is each week a dozen NASA engineers would come to our house to watch the latest episode of Star Trek and disect it. Sitting in the corner being seen but not heard while they talked if the future made some amazing memories.
@earthrise9064
@earthrise9064 4 года назад
Tim seeing starships numbers. "Eh, let's just round up to 100 million."
@kashmirha
@kashmirha 4 года назад
"Let's normalise it a bit" :D
@henryfleischer404
@henryfleischer404 4 года назад
At the $2 million price tag a dozen normal people could reasonably save enough money to launch themselves into space.
@drako3659
@drako3659 4 года назад
tfw it's more reasonable to assume a 5000% markup than work with the sticker price.
@100videosandnosubscribers3
@100videosandnosubscribers3 4 года назад
*Me:* _well that's not very fair, why are you nuking starship's cost economy_ *Me seeing the $/kg:* jfc guess not
@serrianarchipelago7582
@serrianarchipelago7582 4 года назад
Still too low
@unx74
@unx74 6 месяцев назад
main difference: SLS actually works
@Shantytune
@Shantytune Год назад
20:55 talking about "Dear Moon." Oh how far we've come, so excited for you Tim!
@exothermic9303
@exothermic9303 4 года назад
"As they stand today, SLS is big, really big! But Starship will be...huge!" This is the science I can understand. Great work, quality is amazing at every level.
@ericmatthews8497
@ericmatthews8497 4 года назад
Starship is a huge money pit. SLS has already built and tested The Orion spacecraft and SpaceX hasn't even shown credible designs on a crew cabin .. and may be a decade or more away from making this thing safe for humans.
@johntheux9238
@johntheux9238 4 года назад
@@ericmatthews8497 Money pit? 1-10 billions according to Elon. But most of the money came from starlink, NASA just gave them 135 millions, that's nothing.
@ickbar11
@ickbar11 4 года назад
I don't agree, the ludicrous amount spent on SLS could have been used to greater efficiency and innovation, shortening the time scale by investing in various ways in the private sector. The problem is by the time this was realizes the rocket was to big to kill like the JSF program which will become obsolete really soon with the Advent of UAVs that can perform ACM.
@zvxcvxcz
@zvxcvxcz 4 года назад
@@ickbar11 You want more government handouts to private companies that cannot otherwise survive? Looks like I found another leach. All the private company does it better and more efficiently stuff is nonsense. Especially when you're asking for government to pick and choose private company winners by awarding them massive long term contracts, paying for any overruns, etc... You guys might also want to note that Starship is coming up on 8 years now, they are not that far behind SLS in time and I don't think they're where SLS was even on day one yet. So... I don't think Starship will end up working ever. As for Elon... he throws around a lot of numbers I don't believe even remotely. I'm pretty confident it will be more expensive than SLS when all is said and done if it ever reaches completion, it may fail while still being cheaper.
@riot2136
@riot2136 4 года назад
Eric Matthews yay, space x crew demo
@FireStormOOO_
@FireStormOOO_ 4 года назад
I like that framing: the hardest part of SLS isn't designing a rocket that works, it's designing a rocket that politics can't kill.
@extrastuff9463
@extrastuff9463 4 года назад
Don't say that yet, politics is what ended up creating the law. Given enough pressure and people agreeing on it I'm sure they can also amend that law. But it definitely makes it harder to kill the program.
@pcuimac
@pcuimac 4 года назад
Another "private companies do it better" Musk fanboy.
@brianfhunter
@brianfhunter 4 года назад
@@pcuimac - Not a Musk Fanboy But Private Companies can do ANYTHING that governments do, BETTER AND CHEAPER, that is not an opinion, that is a FACT. "but government do this and that that private sector dont do" 1 - See if the Government dont prohibit the private sector to operate in the area 2 - Research if the thing is on a FREE MARKET, government injecting stupid amounts of money on something completely destroys the market. 3 - if it worth the cost, if people need, they will pay for it, that is why Prices exists.
@Daniel-yy3ty
@Daniel-yy3ty 4 года назад
@@brianfhunter sure, but just because a private company can do it cheaper doesn't mean that it'll sell you the product for less. If you need it now or there is no real competition (and I do mean need when I say it, they can't go too bananas on wants) they can set whatever price they want, so careful with your point number 3
@robt8869
@robt8869 4 года назад
@@brianfhunter there's a place for both. Only government will do the research that is not initially profitable. Once that research has practical, profitable applications then the private companies jump in.
@_.twixxx
@_.twixxx 3 года назад
nasa: makes rockets using specialized engineers spacex: haha water tower go brrr
@mattkelly2938
@mattkelly2938 2 года назад
I laughed too hard at this....
@andrewdoesyt7787
@andrewdoesyt7787 2 года назад
NASA doesn’t want the SLS. It’s the senate.
@HelloNotMe9999
@HelloNotMe9999 2 года назад
NASA: Wastes more money than created by God and man in the history of time with no results. Still calls it a success. SpaceX: Builds a rocket bigger and more capable than the Saturn V in 1/10th the time, with 1/1000th the money. Also provides great entertainment along the way. "Haha. Water tower go burr." indeed!
@andrewdoesyt7787
@andrewdoesyt7787 2 года назад
@@HelloNotMe9999 Saturn V??? That was made 50+ years ago lol Do you mean sls?
@vulture4117
@vulture4117 2 года назад
@@HelloNotMe9999 "1/1000th the money" suuuuuure... more like 1/2 or 1/3, and that's *WITH* the benefits of not having to play politics. You think blowing up rocket after rocket is cheap? It's fast, sure. But it's not cheap.
@Tuglife912
@Tuglife912 2 года назад
I'm actually glad the NASA Boeing Artemis SLS project and Orion Spacecraft are under development! Hope to see them fly soon! As you once said, I cheer them all on!
@JanTuts
@JanTuts 4 года назад
Everything about Starship sounds ludicrous. But, just a few years ago, reusing an orbital booster, by landing it back on its butt, sounded ludicrous too.
@bkreativepainting7461
@bkreativepainting7461 4 года назад
The concept of landing a rocket was never quite so ludicrous, because the way I saw it, all they needed to do was add more fuel and legs, sacrifice payload weight to do so But reusing a Megarocket? It seems easier to reinforce a smaller rocket for reentry than reinforcing a large rocket, maybe space x will learn this, maybe they won't, starship might have a far final smaller payload weight than elon envisioned
@bkreativepainting7461
@bkreativepainting7461 4 года назад
If that be the case, he might find it easier to build an orbital ship with starship and leave reentry to the smaller rockets, it's a pretty dicey game, the bigger it is, complexity goes up but starship looks so flimsy
@chikato7106
@chikato7106 4 года назад
Yeah it was. It was science fiction and hadn't been proven.
@johanwittens7712
@johanwittens7712 4 года назад
You do know vertical rocket landings were done before in the 90's? The only thing space x did that wasn't done before was doing it with a rocket coming from orbit. But vertical rocket landings within atmosphere were done decades ago...
@TremereTT
@TremereTT 4 года назад
@@bkreativepainting7461 It depends how you see reentries. Lets's say you fire bullets into the water but you want them to land on the ground of the pond , without getting deformed. What do you do? You reenforce them, harder bullets, More resisting meterials, optimized shape for penetrating the water surface &c. But there is also another way to get your "projectiles" safely to the ground of the pond. You can reduce their density and increasing their volume in order to have them floating, in hobes over the ponds water surface only haveing short contact with the water. The projectile would rotate so there is no wear on one place but the "work" of hitting the water surface and jumping off of it would be equaly distributed on a large part of the projectile. Once the hobs over the water surface reduced the speed enough the projectile would endup like a floating tank on top of the pond and slowly sink to the ground. A realy cool way to reduce the density of your space vehicle is to keep the empty tank! And use it to hob and float in the surface of the atmosphere. The idea is a way slower entry into the gas and having way more speed bled of in the zone where atmosphere and space meet.
@derek1189
@derek1189 4 года назад
It's so much more fun to have a "teacher" that is genuinely excited about their own subjects. Thanks Tim!
@ericobut
@ericobut 3 года назад
Here to see how well this aged. Given what appears to be NASA making the award today to SpaceX
@willimnot
@willimnot 3 года назад
I'm predicting SLS will get cancelled this year.
@807800
@807800 3 года назад
@@willimnot that's just impossible. It's the senate's rocket. Unless Starship starts to fly and make the SLS looks bad in front of the US public, then maybe.
@willimnot
@willimnot 3 года назад
@@807800 I’m thinking that’s a real possibility. Musk says he wants starship in orbit by July.
@decentish8546
@decentish8546 3 года назад
@@807800 I just don’t understand the point of sls. If SpaceX can land a starship on the moon they could just as easily put one in orbit as a command module. So why are Orion and sls needed?
@807800
@807800 3 года назад
@@decentish8546 like i said, it's senate rocket. Sls created so these senators could keep the job in their state after the shuttle retirement, NASA never asked for it. So, even if the sls program becoming the most ineffective, the most inefficient program ever, it wouldn't be canceled. But, if starship becomes operational and make sls looks stupid in front of everyone in the US, with enough pressure then maybe, maybe the senate would think twice about it.
@jam98fl
@jam98fl 4 месяца назад
Would love to see an updated version of this video soon! Like after Artemis 2 or after starship starts hauling payloads to orbit
@andie_pants
@andie_pants 4 года назад
I can explic: That Russian high-altitude suit was pimpin'! You've grown out of it as a professional, but it hasn't grown out of our hearts. _sheds a single manly tear_
@jamesrwinters
@jamesrwinters 4 года назад
It was a "gimmick", but it was effective in helping me recognize who he was in the early days, after which his effective analysis and excellent questions cemented him as one of my favorite RU-vidrs. It was good, and you're right that it's also good that he's grown past it.
@yl0000
@yl0000 4 года назад
Come for the gimmick. Stay for the substance.
@ParameterGrenze
@ParameterGrenze 4 года назад
I concur with the sentiment of the comments and subcomments. If he should get his hands on a SpaceX Spacesuit though, wearing it would be a proud display of where he has arrived at.
@donjones4719
@donjones4719 4 года назад
I kinda hope Tim will put it on for a special occasion, maybe in his recap of the Demo 2 launch. (No way he'll wear it for the launch itself!)
@cubecraftgalaxy5973
@cubecraftgalaxy5973 4 года назад
5:50 - What makes a vehicle a super heavy lift launcher 9:00 - The history of SLS and orion 18:05 - The history of starship 22:30 - The progress and inventory of sls/orion and starship 27:30 - The philosophies of starship and sls 34:55 - Startship vs sls 41:50 - Conclusion
@cubecraftgalaxy5973
@cubecraftgalaxy5973 4 года назад
wow pinned so quickly, thanks tim
@WearyKirin
@WearyKirin 4 года назад
@@cubecraftgalaxy5973 just dont edit thr comment or you will lose the pin
@austinkylereid
@austinkylereid 4 года назад
why is your Icon a screenshot from spaceflight simulator
@Star-Man
@Star-Man 4 года назад
CubeCraftGalaxy Thanks for the timestamps, very much appreciated. Also (no hate or anything), on the “The philosophises of Starshop and SLS” you misspelled starship. Again no hate
@ALI3NPROFESS0R
@ALI3NPROFESS0R 4 года назад
Yo i play sfs too, how many stations do you have up yet?
@amaarquadri
@amaarquadri Год назад
At $2000/kg you could very easily have university (or even high school) teams working on small payloads that hitch a ride on starship. That's absolutely amazing to think of! In some cases, the launch wouldn't even be the main cost.
@bear3616
@bear3616 Год назад
Not quite how it works.
@Alpine_flo92002
@Alpine_flo92002 Год назад
@@bear3616 Exactly how it works since spaceX already sells "hitchike seats" on rockets for somewhat "cheap"
@aidanshay5846
@aidanshay5846 Год назад
Well I can certainly tell you which one launched first.
@Tea_N_Crumpets
@Tea_N_Crumpets 4 года назад
Can’t wait to hear “You are go for TLI” in a couple years, insane!
@zidani.s6712
@zidani.s6712 4 года назад
Yes, and also a good camera live feed
@jakobcs6856
@jakobcs6856 4 года назад
or TMI
@MultiCatRain
@MultiCatRain 4 года назад
Trans-moon injection?
@buffysaviation
@buffysaviation 4 года назад
Live HD feed and everything. I can’t wait to hear that in real time.
@TLI72
@TLI72 4 года назад
Yeah
@jesusmora9379
@jesusmora9379 4 года назад
disappointed by the lack of Buzz Aldrin punching a flat earther in the face footage after that statement.
@TonyNalagan
@TonyNalagan 4 года назад
I'd like to see a video of him paying the one dollar in damages to that a-hole. Pay him in pennies.
@77gravity
@77gravity 4 года назад
@@TonyNalagan Pay him with a fist-full of dimes. You know where.
@bbgun061
@bbgun061 4 года назад
He punched a moon landing denier.
@AlteryxGaming
@AlteryxGaming Год назад
As a fellow Iowan I appreciate the analogy you made between Starship/Super Heavy and Corn/Cobb. Truly we are a highly cultured and sophisticated state
@Arturo-lapaz
@Arturo-lapaz Год назад
Two years later , an obervation. Tim has deserved his flight on Dear Moon more than any body else, His dedication to accuracy, understanding, and presentation is.... like no other , unique. ... !
@xephael3485
@xephael3485 Год назад
no
@Arturo-lapaz
@Arturo-lapaz Год назад
@@xephael3485 you mean: no, never heard of every day astronaut. Tienes que vivir detras de la luna, pibe.🇦🇷
@TinoMC82
@TinoMC82 3 года назад
There should be an option to give a second like when re-watching this kind of videos 5 months later
@shifa-8423
@shifa-8423 3 года назад
What?
@celienfusillier4300
@celienfusillier4300 3 года назад
agreed, even now with all the new stuff that happened it's still sooooo relevant
@lillyanneserrelio2187
@lillyanneserrelio2187 3 года назад
I liked your comment twice. See what I did there? Time to start double liking these videos. ....hold my wine 🍷
@shifa-8423
@shifa-8423 3 года назад
@@lillyanneserrelio2187 Wine f***
@shifa-8423
@shifa-8423 3 года назад
@@lillyanneserrelio2187 and how did you double like?
@Sbinott0
@Sbinott0 3 года назад
Seeing this just 4 months later is crazy, there are already 5 more starship prototypes, 2 of which have flown
@danielsobowale9496
@danielsobowale9496 3 года назад
I know right the rate at whick spaceX is producing prototypes is truly astonishing
@JakeSilvester
@JakeSilvester 3 года назад
Very very crazy and true!
@sharkbitesback2749
@sharkbitesback2749 3 года назад
ikr
@zorrbock
@zorrbock 3 года назад
Was just thinking the same thing... and now we're building the booster!
@Paultimate7
@Paultimate7 3 года назад
@@danielsobowale9496 Its due to them not being afraid of failure. NASA was more like this in the past, and then people died and NASA lost a lot of that drive (and funding)
@balam314
@balam314 2 года назад
"The upcoming Europa Clipper... is legally mandated to fly on SLS." Nasa: looks at SLS Nasa: looks at SLS again Nasa: looks at Falcon Heavy Nasa: "has selected Space Exploration Technologies Corp. (SpaceX) of Hawthorne, California, to provide launch services for Earth’s first mission to conduct detailed investigations of Jupiter's moon Europa."
@veselekov
@veselekov Год назад
Successful SLS launches: 1 Successful Starship launches: 0
@InventorZahran
@InventorZahran 4 года назад
Now I'll always call the Starship/Super Heavy combination "Starship on the cob"!
@vap3669
@vap3669 4 года назад
We have falcorn heavy and starship on the cob now haha
@hrissan
@hrissan 4 года назад
😹👍
@Tremor244
@Tremor244 3 года назад
Nasa: Rockets are very delicate pieces of engineering SpaceX: Look at my water tower, it can fly LOL Nasa: ....
@xheralt
@xheralt 3 года назад
I'd trust work by water tower makers. When dealing with anything that contains massive pressures, "failure is not an option", so they have the right mindset for spaceflight vessels.
@Ricovandijk
@Ricovandijk 3 года назад
Litterally, the wright flyers flew their powered plane after decades of careful preparation, Louis Bleriot crossed the channel by using the cheapest engine he could buy, that had so much play that it wouldn’t jam when overheating. Space-X is the next phase waiting to happen.
@Apersonnamedme
@Apersonnamedme 3 года назад
That's the difference between scientists working in the public sector and engineers in the private sector. One plans all day and wastes money in a bureaucracy the other actively works and wastes money on constantly upgrading due to their failures. The scientists will have less failures, but the engineers will learn more real world information.
@JuanCamiloGamboaHiguera
@JuanCamiloGamboaHiguera 3 года назад
@@Apersonnamedme Most of science is empirical (i.e. requires real world data), and most of the people building rockets at NASA are engineers. Bureaucracy is not about science vs engineering. Bureaucracy exists because they're using taxpayer money, approved by (democratically) elected public officials. The only way I see NASA doing something closer to SpaceX is if the US becomes an authoritarian regime led by technocrats. The next best alternative is just to let SpaceX do their thing, then copying ideas from them.
@fftrashhero8793
@fftrashhero8793 3 года назад
@@JuanCamiloGamboaHiguera all i can say is patents is chasing to them.
@danielboatright8887
@danielboatright8887 2 года назад
Its august 2021 and Starship just got stacked onto its booster for the first time, and this video seems even more relevant.
@HeavenlyBrush
@HeavenlyBrush Год назад
So SLS just launched a moon mission recently and it was successful despite delays with launch, all while starship is still waiting for it's first orbital test flight. Personally, i'm very happy nasa didn't scrap SLS like a lot of people have suggested here on youtube. Otherwise artemis would have been delayed by months if not years waiting for starship to get built.
@EverydayAstronaut
@EverydayAstronaut Год назад
Couldn’t agree more and that was half the point of this video!
@nosyalt0991
@nosyalt0991 Год назад
My point exactly
@matthewmarszowski8493
@matthewmarszowski8493 Год назад
more spaceships more fun :)
@zhongxina9420
@zhongxina9420 Год назад
Spacex was delayed for 6 months because of woke environmentalists in the FAA
@mikicerise6250
@mikicerise6250 Год назад
Now we know. ;)
@mweb586
@mweb586 3 года назад
1 minute in: "What can this guy tell me I don't know?" 45 minutes in: *flipping to my third page of notes* "How does he get all this information?! And, where can I get more?"
@Formula1st
@Formula1st 3 года назад
He spends years on his videos I swear😆. Kinda like Scott Manley, but Scott seems to not even have to do any research, he just knows
@adamkerman475
@adamkerman475 3 года назад
@@Formula1st well I guess Tim tries to be more “professional” but Scott is just more chill about it and doesn’t have to worry about everything as much
@paulbrand4205
@paulbrand4205 3 года назад
@@adamkerman475 and Tim does this full time - Scott has a day job and as he points out - just does his videos in his spare time
@kennethschultz6465
@kennethschultz6465 2 года назад
Well the landing legs Landing PAD on the moon!!
@carlosalbertomartinsjunior2163
@carlosalbertomartinsjunior2163 2 года назад
reddit spacex, lot of usefull information
@rulap6728
@rulap6728 3 года назад
The SLS looks retro and very cool. The starship looks more modern and is also very cool
@MLOCharmer
@MLOCharmer 3 года назад
It actually is a close rendition to an old black n white movie that had a rocket that used water to propel it.
@ES_Spotter
@ES_Spotter 3 года назад
@@MLOCharmer Are you talking about the sea dragon?
@MLOCharmer
@MLOCharmer 3 года назад
@@ES_Spotter I don't know it was an old black n white movie on tv I saw as a kid.
@greentea1396
@greentea1396 3 года назад
in other words, both rocket look cool in they're own way :D
@qwertytamnotmakinganyvideo9413
@qwertytamnotmakinganyvideo9413 3 года назад
@@ES_Spotter she is probably talking about the sea dragon
@michaeldeierhoi4096
@michaeldeierhoi4096 2 года назад
I just watch this for the first time and find it illuminating. I have followed Starship and SLS through various sites including this one and NSF and others. Thanks for the time you put into this project. It will interesting to see where we are say in a year or even 6 months after both SLS and Starship have tested.
@nevermore3928
@nevermore3928 2 года назад
Glad you said "Team Space" I seriously LOVE renewed energy in development of vehicles for lunar and further landings. It is VERY exciting to me. The more people on this earth we have doing it, the cooler it is going to be.
@MicahTischler
@MicahTischler 4 года назад
... and there go *my* afternoon's plans.
@verttikoo2052
@verttikoo2052 4 года назад
Micah Tischler Only 49:20 🙄 I was kind of hungry but maybe the food can wait 😬
@giovannifoulmouth7205
@giovannifoulmouth7205 4 года назад
it's only 50 minutes, it's an episode of Better Call Saul, nothing more
@bennettstouder9849
@bennettstouder9849 4 года назад
What plans do people have anymore
@wagoneer81
@wagoneer81 4 года назад
Well, it's good to know I'm not the only one....
@wagoneer81
@wagoneer81 4 года назад
@@giovannifoulmouth7205 19 hours later.....
@ianleary9223
@ianleary9223 4 года назад
Why does SpaceX even exist if we already have the GPS Guided 9 Liter Turbo Diesel Powered 4 Trek 8RX 410 John Deere Tractor with an infinitely variable transmission and 85cc deplacement integrated hydraulic pump with 227 Liters per minute of hydraulic flow, air conditioned and heated, 10 inch touch screen displays and digital monitoring
@fahlgorithm
@fahlgorithm 4 года назад
Finally someone asking the real questions
@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs
@ExcelonTheFourthAvalonHeirs 4 года назад
Put the jokes aside, Because human never satisfy.
@InLohmansTerms
@InLohmansTerms 4 года назад
Huh?
@BigBoy-zp1gv
@BigBoy-zp1gv 4 года назад
Because it “isn’t environmentally friendly” as the hippies would say
@aceweldon6926
@aceweldon6926 4 года назад
I wonder if Elon will buy one of them tractors to use on his first Martian farm.
@quinnfruge2256
@quinnfruge2256 Год назад
@6:50 Falcon Heavy is now technically an official heavy lift launch vehicle!
@PDVism
@PDVism 11 месяцев назад
Wasn't the idea about Falcon that it was going to be cheaper because of being re-usable? How many Falcon heavies have been re-used?
@_ColaDev
@_ColaDev 10 месяцев назад
@@PDVismthere has only been one falcon heavy launch
@PDVism
@PDVism 10 месяцев назад
​@@_ColaDev Cheers, I admit I didn't look it up because if you hear the musk loving crowd they make it sound as if it has launched multiple times with full re-usability. In actually fact, so far it only had one test flight. And if you use the logic of the Starship launch that test of the Falcon heavy was a failure because it didn't blow up. :) Alway shave to laugh saying that SpaceX is revolutionary reusable rockets. Saying that it can be is not equal that it is. See the Falcon 9's. Some had a partial re-use but there have been plenty that didn't have a single bolt re-used because they needed the thrust to get it in a high enough orbit.
@_ColaDev
@_ColaDev 10 месяцев назад
@@PDVism True. I’m surprised Falcon Heavy even succeeded, I mean Elon himself admitted he thought it’d fail
@liambeckett7123
@liambeckett7123 2 года назад
19:45 Going from conference questions to personal interviews! Amazing work Tim
@vaibhavattre3542
@vaibhavattre3542 4 года назад
Everyday Astronaut yesterday: It would be crazy if NASA chooses spacex starship as one of their Landers Nasa: We choose spacex as one of our landers Who thinks the the everyday Astronaut is a future teller
@space_fella8206
@space_fella8206 4 года назад
HE IS A MARTIAN FROM THE FUTURE
@Berndy
@Berndy 4 года назад
i hope you still remember the time he said "it would be crazy if they put a tesla on the falcon heavy test flight"... just saying
@krishanattre
@krishanattre 4 года назад
@@Berndy true
@jadeasereht4638
@jadeasereht4638 4 года назад
Clairvoyant?
@wizardnetwork
@wizardnetwork 4 года назад
I'll put down my vote... Tim the Space Prophet!!!
@juanmartinezrossi
@juanmartinezrossi 4 года назад
I've moved from Argentina (dropping out from Electronics Engineering) to Spain, to keep studying Engineering. Hopefully I'll strat Telecommunications engineering (applied to aerospace) on next September. A huge change in my life with the only hope of maybe putting my grain of sand in all this. All the way here, you were, and keep being a source of inspiration, and I thank you so much for all the work you do. You're really the best. Greetings Tim! Loved this video. I just wathed it all in one sitting. Thank you!
@_KillerD_
@_KillerD_ 4 года назад
Muy cheto amigo 🗿
@juanmartinezrossi
@juanmartinezrossi 4 года назад
@@_KillerD_ Gracias crack!! En mi canal voy mostrando el proceso. Date una vuelta si querés 😊🚀
@atrombonist
@atrombonist 4 года назад
De ley lo vas a lograr! Saludos de Alemania
@linecraftman3907
@linecraftman3907 4 года назад
I hope you get a chance to work on some of the exciting and a bit missions!
@joacogonzalez1430
@joacogonzalez1430 4 года назад
Te deseo lo mejor crack!
@gtxviper
@gtxviper 3 года назад
The Saturn V was a beast... shoulda revamped that instead of the sls
@joshuaashton1929
@joshuaashton1929 2 года назад
It wouldn’t be worth it, not only would you have to redesign a lot of the parts to bring them up to modern standards, but the rocket itself is extremely dated and uses inefficient fuels.
@LordSandwichII
@LordSandwichII Год назад
To answer the question: For now, it's because SLS actually works! :p
@VivekPatel-ze6jy
@VivekPatel-ze6jy 3 года назад
I'm really glad that there is such a high quality channel that is non-biased. Some RU-vidrs idolise Elon, and others hate him
@GregiiFlieger
@GregiiFlieger 3 года назад
Vivek Patel In this case (comparing Space X vs. SLS/SLA) bias is needed if you want to see movement in the space program. US politicians (bless their corrupt hearts) are biased against Space X. Fact!
@adamrezabek9469
@adamrezabek9469 3 года назад
IMO, this channel is "biased to neutral". He is always traying to picture that everythink is at the smae level.
@piotrd.4850
@piotrd.4850 3 года назад
You see, performing Ice Bucket Challenge on most outrageous claims and ideas is not 'hate' regardless of what Musk-infatuated snowflakes think. That's why Common Sense Sceptic, Thunderf00t and Pressure Fed Astronaut and few others are necessary.
@piotrd.4850
@piotrd.4850 3 года назад
@Sherlock Whole mess oh, surely convention is debatable, but he makes reasonable case on most ocassions.
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 3 года назад
Please tell me where that non biased channel is? I'm currently on Everyday Astronauts channel.
@direbearcoat7551
@direbearcoat7551 4 года назад
It makes sense that rocket engineering done by NASA would be so timid in its approach. Everything is at the mercy of the politicians. SpaceX's approach to rocket engineering reminds me of how Skunk Works did things back in the day when they were developing fighter jets, spy jets, etc jets....
@johnturner8286
@johnturner8286 4 года назад
Kelly Johnson was never so cavalier. Musk's South Padre Island operation is a maker space in the worst sense, just fools with tools and no adult supervision.
@aronseptianto8142
@aronseptianto8142 4 года назад
@Daniel Roig well, better crash now than crash when there's human in it
@Blaze6108
@Blaze6108 4 года назад
'member the X-33/VentureStar? Also by Skunk Works and 98% complete before congress just refused to sign the budget for the remaining 2% (TWO PERCENT!!). The US would have been flying on a really futuristic spacecraft by now if it hadn't been for that. Either way designs like the SLS will continue to exist likely forever, as governments consider space access a strategic asset, which means it's never going to be left entirely to privates, much like we still build military or national guard vehicles even though commercial cars and ships exist.
@claytonm2238
@claytonm2238 2 года назад
the fact that my favorite tractor brand was included in a space video makes me happy lol. I love farming
@pauljefferies9087
@pauljefferies9087 Год назад
That is some very thorough reporting, you have impressed this viewer. Nicely done!
@OptimusNiaa
@OptimusNiaa 4 года назад
"Why do both rockets exist?!" They don't. Not yet, as fully assembled, functional vehicles, anyway. SLS has been in development longer and is much closer. But the folks at SpaceX are very talented. I wish them both well. And am a big fan of having multiple, independent, launch systems. Better for redundancy concerns, and cost concerns.
@pietersteenkamp5241
@pietersteenkamp5241 4 года назад
This is simply national security imperatives; it was very strange for the USA to let it manned space flight capacity slip and they are just making sure that from now on there will be two or three companies that can simply these services the same way there are 2 or 3 companies that can produce aircraft, ships, tanks, etc etc .
@Fred_the_1996
@Fred_the_1996 4 года назад
Aka SLS is gonna be canceled at 98% progress and be years behind schedule while starship will be on mars
@russm8193
@russm8193 4 года назад
"and cost concerns". A little late to put cost pressure on SLS. Too bad Starship wasn't around 5 yrs ago, and do to SLS what they have done to the LEO rocket industry and to Boeing's manned ISS program.
@yvanpajevic9680
@yvanpajevic9680 4 года назад
@georgio m IDIOT! SpaceX are the only ones that can land their rockets! They ALREADY own the game! Boeing is in it STRICTLY for the money....which is why they will milk NASA for as long as they can and never upgrade their CRAPPY OLD TECH! You also conveniently forget that EVERY space agency has had setbacks! While SpaceX has had it's share of failures, their innovation and progress is still AMAZING! Now go away you sad little hater.
@Fred_the_1996
@Fred_the_1996 4 года назад
@georgio m you mean the rocket which managed to go from paper to hot fire in a few weeks, compared to the SLS which uses parts developed over 30 yearsand still hasn't been completed
@lingannis
@lingannis 4 года назад
Excellent video!! although I'm more "Team Starship" I was surprised to see how much SLS hardware is already done, and I liked the explanation on NASA's philosophy behind it ;)
@TheMrPeteChannel
@TheMrPeteChannel 4 года назад
SLS is pretty much go. Starship still looks like a sylo.
@michaelmorgan1399
@michaelmorgan1399 2 года назад
Commenting on this video from the future- It's now November of 2011, Starship has successfully had a high altitude flight test and successfully landed. BFR booster is now fully built, Starship has a full belly of heat tiles, and we're now waiting for the first orbital test flight in late 2021 or sometime in the first half of 2022. SLS... yeah, still no significant progress.
@janeydoe7417
@janeydoe7417 Год назад
Lmao. I LOVE how yourcomnent shows howcrazu Musk s¡mps are. Their delusions of grandeur for SpaceX is astonishing.
@jonmarkus9627
@jonmarkus9627 2 года назад
Could we get an updated version of this video?? Crazy how much has happened with Starship, the Artemis program and SLS in the last year!
@Withnail1969
@Withnail1969 11 месяцев назад
Starship is going nowhere. Blew up its own pad.
@shaeby8123
@shaeby8123 11 месяцев назад
@@Withnail1969 Unga: Bro I just made this circle-thing that, I think, if attached to a box, could help us transport things Bunga: Cool, have you made it yet? Unga: Well, I tried, but the stick I was using as an axil broke, so I was thinking- Bunga: Useless. Unga: What? Bunga: It broke, thus, is doomed to fail Unga: But if I just get a stronger stick I- Bunga: Nope. My brother in christ, you are bunga
@jonmarkus9627
@jonmarkus9627 11 месяцев назад
@@Withnail1969 great reply to a year old post... I think everyone and their grandmother knows of starships very successful first flight test that went somewhat better than expected!
@kelaarin
@kelaarin 4 года назад
Simple answer: "Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
@ThereIsOnly1ArcNinja
@ThereIsOnly1ArcNinja 4 года назад
and then make first contact 😎
@xiro6
@xiro6 4 года назад
its not a question,its the government first law.
@fraserhenderson7839
@fraserhenderson7839 4 года назад
or, in this case, 12 times the price.
@michaelfink64
@michaelfink64 4 года назад
Twice the price? Worst case scenario for StarShip vs best case scenario for SLS (Block 1B): SLS costs 10 x as much per kg TLI. Therefore the question should be "Why build one, when you can have two at 11 times the price?"
@badtrekee4348
@badtrekee4348 4 года назад
SLS is a billion dollar a flight waste
@waitwhat3547
@waitwhat3547 4 года назад
This made me love the Saturn V even more, so many decades ago still the king of them all
@ricardorola509
@ricardorola509 4 года назад
Saturn V is so powerfull its put a entire space station in orbit in one launch its amazing
@benjamindavies1188
@benjamindavies1188 4 года назад
@@ricardorola509 but what you are forgetting is that skylab was the hollowed-out second stage fuel tank of the Saturn v so was a bit different from say putting the ISS or other stations in space.
@ricardorola509
@ricardorola509 4 года назад
@@benjamindavies1188 Skylab weight 170,000 pounds(77,000 kg) put in orbit in one launch and this is not the limit for Saturn V its amazing
@peterandrews5956
@peterandrews5956 4 года назад
@@benjamindavies1188 Skylab replaced the third stage.
@spazbog123
@spazbog123 4 года назад
It is the Great Pyramid of Giza (tallest building) of rockets. though it probably won't be the king for 4000 years like the pyramid was.
@sirbonobo3907
@sirbonobo3907 2 года назад
This channel blows my freaking mind it's just so high quality compared to the usual youTube videos. Man it's a great time to witness not only a new age in space exploration, but the ability to turn on my phone or PC, watch this channel and get excited is just so wholesome in these times! Thank you alit for giving us this content!
@cirospaciari5015
@cirospaciari5015 3 года назад
o boy i want so much a updated video, your videos are great, i love this format
@Kelnx
@Kelnx 4 года назад
"I'm showing my Iowa again". Seems like a disproportionate amount of astronauts and even space-related scientists and engineers come from agriculture-heavy states. Maybe clear star-filled skies while growing up are the inspiration for it.
@Unmannedair
@Unmannedair 4 года назад
No, it's because AG people know how to not give up. People in the city want everything handed to them on a silver platter by the government. The mentality makes the difference.
@discflame
@discflame 4 года назад
they just wanna get out of iowa lol
@reportingsjr
@reportingsjr 4 года назад
Many astronauts come from Ohio, because that's where wright pat airforce base is. The skies here are utter garbage, nearest dark sky spot is like 8 hours away in west Virginia.
@paulweaver5624
@paulweaver5624 4 года назад
"I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space"
@NarwahlGaming
@NarwahlGaming 4 года назад
I'm lucky. Space is directly over my house. You guys can come over and look at it, if you want.
@hankscally9658
@hankscally9658 4 года назад
Hey, Tim!... Concerning Iowa- Remember, James Tiberius Kirk also grew up there. So... Being from Iowa is not necessarily a bad thing! GREAT VIDEO! Cannot wait for 'The rest of the story'!!
@tarmaque
@tarmaque 4 года назад
He missed a perfect opportunity to say "I'm from Iowa, I only work in outer space."
@ronfullerton3162
@ronfullerton3162 4 года назад
Yes, he dang near killed me with the John Deere comparison and added the Iowa remark. Although the John Deeres I grew up on only had two cylinder motors. Which I drove on an Iowa farm that was only a half hour drive from Riverside, Iowa which is the future hometown of Captain Kurt. I wonder if Elon would paint Starship green and yellow? Thanks for the Iowa and John Deere usage. Gave me a chuckle.
@michaelfink64
@michaelfink64 4 года назад
Plus Radar O'Reilly was from Ottawa, Iowa
@papaechozulu3737
@papaechozulu3737 4 года назад
Grew up in Iowa, could not be more proud. The State is a gem and often overlooked. I've always enjoyed meeting Iowans because they are naturally, sceptical and intellectually stubborn. Keep being Iowan and questioning everything. Be sceptical and be an Iowa bastard. It will serve you well.
@unidentifiedphysican7333
@unidentifiedphysican7333 4 года назад
Ok corn boi
@patriotfree2917
@patriotfree2917 Год назад
Thank you for all your hard hours long research and work to do these reports. TY Tim. God Bless.
@seansargeant7966
@seansargeant7966 2 года назад
'Europa Clipper is mandated by law to launch on SLS' HahahahaHAHAHAHAHA
@dewiz9596
@dewiz9596 4 года назад
It was Heinlein, or Pournelle who said, “once you’re in LEO, you’re halfway to anywhere. It strikes me that shipping components to LEO, and doing assembly and fuel transfer would be the most straightforward process. But, they’re not asking me. . . Thanks, Tim, for another great video.
@PanduPoluan
@PanduPoluan 4 года назад
It's quite difficult to rendezvous in space, though. And assembling in space might result in a lot of debris. So, assembling in LEO might not be a good idea. _Refueling_ in LEO is more sensible though. Just one rendezvous (between the waiting Starship and the refueler Starship) instead of many rendezvous-es (between the Assembly station and lots of supply vehicles). That's why SpaceX's proposal for landing on the moon involves at least 1 LEO fuel transfer.
@Nitroaereus
@Nitroaereus 4 года назад
Yeah, orbital refueling is the way to go. Google the ACES orbital refueling concept. Very cool idea from about a decade ago.
@armr6937
@armr6937 4 года назад
@@PanduPoluan You speak as if we hadn't been doing this for the past 20 years with the ISS... We've got it down to a T, automated rendezvous and 8hr EVAs for component assembly/maintenance. Building a LEO assembly station + fuel depot would probably pay for itself, given enough time. Even become a sprawling hub. At some point we're going to need ships bigger than Starship.
@ke6gwf
@ke6gwf 4 года назад
@@armr6937 the issue is how many billions that 2 man EVA costs, to do the work that would take a few minutes with a big crew on earth. That's why ISS used the largest subsections they could fly and had minimum work designed to be done on orbit. If you want something larger for interplanetary missions, you send up the largest chunks you can fly, and have them designed to be able to be joined together with the least human touch, possibly even roboticlly. Humans are VERY inefficient with no gravity, and very limited in motion in bulky suits. So don't expect to see ANY construction in leo, just possibly assembly of quick connect sub sections. And there is also no need for a fuel depot. Instead of launching a big empty tank then launching tankers to fill it, and having to maintain the cryo in a liquid state for long periods, you just launch as many tankers as needed, dock them together, and then pump it over.
@PanduPoluan
@PanduPoluan 4 года назад
@@armr6937 As you have yourself said, it took _decades_ to build the ISS. And every addition had to be meticulously planned and executed. Then after adding a component, hours upon hours of EVA to connect the bits, not to mention hours upon hours to test the integration (electrical & otherwise) of the new modules. Refueling is much simpler: Align the ports, dock/connect, and pump until the refueler is empty. No need for electrical connections, leak tests, contaminant test, etc. All the necessary components are self-contained -- and _ruggedized_ -- in the first vehicle. The ruggedization is actually quite important: It's hard to ruggedize things (especially components) in microgravity. But if the things are rugged enough to survive liftoff from Earth, then it should be rugged enough to survive interplanetary travel which will likely employ much less thrust / force / acceleration.
@Poatatero
@Poatatero 4 года назад
“If your design is taking to long your design is wrong” -Elon Musk Right as I commented this it showed the clip
@Jimmy_Jones
@Jimmy_Jones 4 года назад
Too
@luigeribeiro
@luigeribeiro 4 года назад
crew dragon took 5 years to be developed,so.....
@luigeribeiro
@luigeribeiro 4 года назад
@@kuartz. yes, BUT it is not a failure design.
@luigeribeiro
@luigeribeiro 4 года назад
@SHIRIL I said, Failure DESIGN, not a failure LAUNCH.
@KrustyKlown
@KrustyKlown 4 года назад
...lol, Crew Dragon design is wrong??
@juliomanuelramirezsanchez471
@juliomanuelramirezsanchez471 3 года назад
just watched this after SN15 test
@asilva79
@asilva79 3 года назад
@Everyday Astronaut, thanks for this very elaborate & comprehensive video. Loved it!
@StormRiordan
@StormRiordan 4 года назад
Tim you're a star. I'm always so excited when you upload because I know for the next hour or so I'm going to be soaking up a bunch of space stuff like a sponge. Thanks for all the effort you put into these!
@shitlordflytrap1078
@shitlordflytrap1078 4 года назад
I hope you will become fully moist by the end.
@zachsmith9197
@zachsmith9197 3 года назад
" we will likely see explosions." Starship SN8 high altitude test " he he"
@Tulin258
@Tulin258 3 года назад
Well, *technically* it landed
@afleischhauer
@afleischhauer 3 года назад
Just not in one part
@nonex6064
@nonex6064 3 года назад
Nah, it was just a rapid unscheduled disassembly
@awanch23
@awanch23 3 года назад
Or Kaboom🔥
@goki6548
@goki6548 3 года назад
No its not called explosion! You have to call it "rapid unscheduled dissassembly"
@HB-cu8oh
@HB-cu8oh 4 месяца назад
Watching this nearly 4 years later makes you appreciate the speed in which spacex have developed starship and the raptor engine
@Dailydose13
@Dailydose13 2 месяца назад
Starship isn't done being developed yet.
@josecancino7310
@josecancino7310 Год назад
Thanks Tim, great information on space travel, keep your documentaries coming
@Cydonius1
@Cydonius1 4 года назад
imagine a starship painted like a HUGE corn on the cob, that would make Tim's day
@jlebrech
@jlebrech 4 года назад
name stage 1 to cob.
@tgmtf5963
@tgmtf5963 4 года назад
@@williamarmstrong7199 elon is a genius
@shrekwazowski8199
@shrekwazowski8199 4 года назад
Cydonius1 if only that wouldn’t mess things up
@lseul8812
@lseul8812 4 года назад
Paint would burn up
@clifflecroy6963
@clifflecroy6963 3 года назад
A half eaten one. Only the portions with ablative tiles painted like intact kernels
@thomas127
@thomas127 4 года назад
Omg I was just sitting here having a bit of a sad evening (due to tons of plans being cancelled because of the pandemic) and trying to cheer myself up with some of your old videos and then I see the notification for this video. Day saved!
@cmbarrett65
@cmbarrett65 3 года назад
Again, great, informative presentation. Well done. Yes, I learned some things. And, again, I agree with your summation: the differing systems both have benefits, both advancing our reach for space. This is the difficult time, resuming development and test flights. Once we get established, space will pay for itself. There are so many resources available out there if we can reach them and tap them. Exciting time. Saddening is the lapse in development over the past 50 years, but it seems like the public is taking a renewed interest and starting to get behind the investment again. Fingers crossed.
@hikesystem7721
@hikesystem7721 Год назад
I'll take SLS any day!
@daneberryman
@daneberryman Год назад
It actually works so SLS has that going it
@shatterpointgames
@shatterpointgames 4 года назад
I learned a lot but I had already came to the same conclusion you did. I get so sick of arguing with the NASA haters. People don't realize how much NASA helps spacex
@aidenmclaughlin1076
@aidenmclaughlin1076 4 года назад
Exactly
@bilbo_gamers6417
@bilbo_gamers6417 4 года назад
it's just a shame how much politics corrupts the science. they were focusing on all these oldspace projects for the longest time, and they keep changing their plans to the point where nothing gets done. It's good that there's infrastructure for supporting companies like SpaceX, though.
@flippert0
@flippert0 4 года назад
"Why does SLS still exists"? Translation: "Why is BOEING still a NASA contractor?"
@thimkful
@thimkful 4 года назад
@Shem Casimir Because lobbying is legal and effective. So if nothing else shareholders will demand it, at some point. Cost+ plus contracts are not unique to NASA or government aerospace as a whole. The fix would involve making lobbying illegal and ineffective, which in turn would probably require deep campaign finance reform, including budget caps. Which would be fine with me. The current system is corrupting, and hostile to democracy.
@kcirtapecreip4155
@kcirtapecreip4155 4 года назад
@@thimkful Don't get your hopes up LOL. Would be a true fix for sure. You have my support on all of that.
@leegordon782
@leegordon782 4 года назад
@@thimkful Out of genuine curiosity. What way could you make lobbying "illegal" that doesn't obviously fly in the face of the right to petition? As far as "budget caps" same thing, how can you place limits on the ability of someone to advocate for themselves?
@gtafreak73
@gtafreak73 4 года назад
@@thimkful Maybe reducing the size and the power of the government to a bare minimum could be an even more effective fix? Corruption and money from private donators will always find their way into Washington, there's not much you can do about that! But what you CAN do, is limit the negative outcome of that corruption by eliminating the government's ability to do certain companies/industries a huge favor. Big private donators would still exist then but they wouldn't donate nearly as much, cause the investment risk would be much higher for them. They'd only support policies that are generally helping the economy - Policies that are not just helping themselves to make more profit, but also smaller companies and entrepreneurs, which are no less important for the future of our economy.
@andrewnyr
@andrewnyr 4 года назад
@@gtafreak73 lol crazy has entered the chat
@PeterBacon
@PeterBacon Год назад
For those who think NASA hasn't been doing anything the past 30-50 years and that SpaceX is picking up their slack, Tim is doing a great job explaining the differences, because right now we need both. From a layman's point of view, reconciling these design philosophies is what is going to make us truly starbound.
@danlorett2184
@danlorett2184 11 месяцев назад
Or we can cancel the SLS that was SEVEN YEARS behind schedule and let the companies that are actually building and launching rockets do the work.
@tj_mcdonald21
@tj_mcdonald21 6 месяцев назад
@@danlorett2184well starships super heavy blew up and Sls put Orion around the moon. You can’t compete with government money.
@robertandersson8171
@robertandersson8171 Год назад
What spaceX have achieved in 2 years are just freaking mind blowing....
@xephael3485
@xephael3485 Год назад
yet they don't get any attention... which is also freaking mind blowing. They're basically launching the biggest rocket in history and it's being ignored.
@rhamlet5290
@rhamlet5290 Год назад
@@xephael3485 Are you serious? It is reported on more than anything else in all of space exploration
@paurodriguezriera7979
@paurodriguezriera7979 Год назад
@@xephael3485 It should work first.
@xephael3485
@xephael3485 Год назад
@@paurodriguezriera7979 it's working just fine. They're accomplishing development goals already. The rocket was likely damaged by concrete debris because they didn't have a water deluge system in place for this test yet...
@paurodriguezriera7979
@paurodriguezriera7979 Год назад
@@xephael3485 No, it's not working just fine, and if u think so then u must be blind. A rocket that obliterates its launchpad, fails to decouple and blows up is not working fine, no matter how you look at it.
@DarkTheFailure
@DarkTheFailure 4 года назад
Orange rocket: good Shinny rocket: Too good
@erikincph
@erikincph 4 года назад
Dark 074 As nouns the difference between shiny and shinny is that shiny is (informal) anything shiny; a trinket while shinny is (canada) an informal game of pickup hockey played with minimal equipment: skates, sticks and a puck or ball or shinny can be moonshine (illegal alcohol).
@gunnykido7213
@gunnykido7213 4 года назад
@@erikincph calm down its a single n
@hawkdsl
@hawkdsl 4 года назад
@@erikincph The grammar police are allot like the Spanish Inquisition.. NO ONE EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!!! Anyway.. bless their hearts for trying.
@julienmarten9380
@julienmarten9380 4 года назад
Orange rocket still bad
@doomoller2
@doomoller2 4 года назад
I like pink
@emilianozamora399
@emilianozamora399 4 года назад
Sls's progress is actually giving me hope for it
@wizardnetwork
@wizardnetwork 4 года назад
Me too... To be honest, I didn't realize they had so much done already... I'm glad it has not been a total waste... and it will have some interesting capabilities... Starship is a bit different.. It's a More People Bus, and That's Good.. but SLS will have major capabilities for Non Human Massive things.. and who knows.. Maybe Nasa will become a believer in re usability and modify SLS, but my hope is that Nasa Gets out of the Rocket Building Business, and gets deeper into the Rocket Buying Business.. the advancements for the planet will be MUCH better... Not unlike the advent of Airline Travel.
@emilianozamora399
@emilianozamora399 4 года назад
@@wizardnetwork I mean nasa has a lot of employees and many of them people who have already built many rockets in their time, they definitely have the capability to make something reusable 100% come true I just hope they make it sooner rather than later
@wizardnetwork
@wizardnetwork 4 года назад
@@emilianozamora399 I know it sounds strange, but I would rather Hope they get out of the rocket building business because the commercial sector develops more, and better rockets so they have plenty of rockets to choose from to launch the missions that they want to launch... Nasa's much better at science than developing spacecraft.. In my Opinion...
@emilianozamora399
@emilianozamora399 4 года назад
@@wizardnetwork I mean how do commercial sectors have "better" rockets than nasa? Nasa is capable of definitely making good rockets it's just that they are limited by what the government wants and that is providing jobs to various parts of the country, not making one rocket in house
@fritzwalter1112
@fritzwalter1112 4 года назад
@@emilianozamora399 I think that's exactly the point. From the knowledge standpoint, Nasa could definitely build amaing rockets. Nasa is just limited by politics. Funding companies like Spacex to develop rockets, wil be better. Nasa should focus on things like exploration satellites, like James Webb or Clipper. That's i think the way Nasa should go.
@trevornolife7961
@trevornolife7961 2 года назад
I was born in Titusville Florida, which is across the river from KSC. When I left 10 years for ago to join the Navy, They started working on this. Never in the time that as gone by did I ever think I would be working as a Quality Inspector on the Orion Spacecraft. Thank you so much for these videos. I'm looking forward to the wild future that's coming our way!
@Jim-kc3gx
@Jim-kc3gx Год назад
I have no doubt your videos are watched and used to help those working on and building the space industry. Your doing a great job.
@hadleywhite5963
@hadleywhite5963 4 года назад
When you have grownup on a farm in Texas, go to college for agriculture and completely understand his tractor reference.
@DankGank
@DankGank 4 года назад
SLS has more money. SLS has more experienced engineers. SLS has flight proven hardware. SLS has more congressional support. Starship will fly first.
@trabladorr
@trabladorr 4 года назад
Starship will crash first. (not that that's a bad thing)
@DuelPorpoise
@DuelPorpoise 4 года назад
Nice!
@facepalm7345
@facepalm7345 4 года назад
@John Bane they have more experienced engineers, but less engineers dedicated to success. Also they have less Elon Musk
@SukacitaYeremia
@SukacitaYeremia 4 года назад
Sounds like the Cold war space race
@birdbasket
@birdbasket 4 года назад
if starship will fly first, why do they keep having problems with their fuel tank? SLS has taken its sweet time, but if I could choose which spacecraft to put crew on right now, well, spaceX would not be my choice. they go too fast to be safe, and try to blow off as much safety testing as possible, just so they can brag about flying first, and get more money. nasa's management right now is less than perfect, but spaceX is not going to be a sustainable enterprise when their failures start to really show.
@El.Duder-ino
@El.Duder-ino 2 года назад
Excellent video and comparisons, thank you dude for educating masses!
@ryanhamstra49
@ryanhamstra49 2 года назад
Europa clipper now rides on falcon heavy 😂
@Wheelo40
@Wheelo40 3 года назад
I’m very late watching this one but it was interesting. I was a contract negotiator for the Air Force earlier in my career and then went to defense contractors. Your observations on keeping a big, complex project going across administrations was spot on. Secondly, I feel validated finally to hear somebody else but me say SpaceX is following the Soviet development model. I was 9 when I watched Neil walk on the moon. Very disappointed in the massive lull in manned exploration. It’s great to see so many young people so excited. Keep up the good work.
@iainballas
@iainballas 4 года назад
Public: "Yo Boeing why the rocket taking so long?" Boeing: "Money!"
@christmt3
@christmt3 4 года назад
The ULA is the worst.
@myfavoritemartian1
@myfavoritemartian1 4 года назад
Sadly it is the existing "money before work with no guarantee" culture in Congress that is the root of this evil. Congress will hold the money source for ransom until All their favorite legacy contractors have had a taste. Then demand that they be kept in the system, all the while not demanding they achieve anything in the way of progress.
@skyler1475
@skyler1475 4 года назад
Elon is a good example of independence from handouts / bailouts. *drops mic*
@danielkbarton
@danielkbarton 4 года назад
Boeing is used to getting more and more money due to the cost-plus way the federal government does business. It's always been a criminal way of doing things. It appears Boeing doesn't make any of it's employees answer for mistakes made, particularly it's engineering department, i.e. the Starliner capsule that didn't know what time it was among other things. I hope Musk and SpaceX continue to make leaps and bounds progress over everyone else.
@sakelaine2953
@sakelaine2953 4 года назад
@@myfavoritemartian1 This can be short circuited by firing enough of Congress and replacing them with people who aren't compromised by the military industrial complex
@davidlee8551
@davidlee8551 Год назад
Excellent content & delivery. Thank you!
@andrerovigatti9997
@andrerovigatti9997 Год назад
Thank you so much for the clear comparison ! Great job !
@ThHuggleMuffinGaming
@ThHuggleMuffinGaming 4 года назад
Just finished watching Tim. Very well made video, highly descriptive and very informative. As an ordinary person who loves Space you smashed the presentation of information for the general mind and I respect the time you put into these videos. Truly opened my eyes to the two programmes. And to anybody else reading this comment, please watch the whole video from start to finish, it deserves all your time.
@wizardnetwork
@wizardnetwork 4 года назад
Totally Agree with your last statement.
@mp1404_
@mp1404_ 4 года назад
Starship as a lander? Imagine they would put a whole starship on top of SLS
@_mikolaj_
@_mikolaj_ 4 года назад
If we rip off fins and change fuel to hydrolox, yes
@pkelly6618
@pkelly6618 4 года назад
SLS couldn't physically lift it.
@damitcam
@damitcam 4 года назад
P Kelly or fit it the diamter is different
@eekamak
@eekamak 4 года назад
Every time the Starship lands there is going to be Starship mass amount of lunar dust all over the place. I love it! :D
@coreys2686
@coreys2686 4 года назад
@@eekamak A large portion of that dust (and pieces a lot larger than dust) will reach escape velocity. That means everything in Lunar orbit is going to get scrubbed by the exhaust. Many pieces will end up flying towards Earth. As much as I'd like to see Starship on the surface, as cool as it would look, I'm hesitant.
@peterstauber5510
@peterstauber5510 Год назад
Just seeing this!! Your john deere tractor analogy was right on!! Loved it!
@LuMartMedia
@LuMartMedia Год назад
thank you this video is well done and interesting your comments are relevant and instructive. I have always liked to follow the world of space exploration but here I must admit that I was out of date. thank you again and well done
@richardkennedy6203
@richardkennedy6203 4 года назад
Just remember Tim, James Tiberius Kirk IS from Iowa.
@zapfanzapfan
@zapfanzapfan 4 года назад
Or at least will be :-)
@surferdude4487
@surferdude4487 4 года назад
And in another episode he said he was from Alpha Centauri.
@marshallwebber9682
@marshallwebber9682 4 года назад
@@surferdude4487 "No, I'm from Iowa. I only work in outer space." Kirk, Star Trek IV
@surferdude4487
@surferdude4487 4 года назад
@@marshallwebber9682 Yes, I'm aware of what he said in Star Trek IV. In Star Trek TOS Season 1 "Tomorrow is Yesterday", Kirk: I'm a little green man from Alpha Centauri. A beautiful place, you ought to se it. Of course, he might have been lying to the Air Force Colonel who was interrogating him.
@Moribax85
@Moribax85 4 года назад
@@surferdude4487 he was not lying, he was exercising sarcasm :)
@AzureViking
@AzureViking 4 года назад
Fail often and fail fast. That's the way to learn fast and innovate.
@eggsnspam
@eggsnspam 4 года назад
Yea but when NASA did that in the earlier years, many astronauts died without having even left the ground. Technology has changed so it's possible...
@benjaminlust5494
@benjaminlust5494 4 года назад
Eggsn Bakon I think these days they test without people you know do they don’t die
@carljohan9265
@carljohan9265 3 года назад
Commercial airliners got the the point they are today by flying often enough. Starship aims to do the same thing.
@fisterB
@fisterB 3 года назад
Whereas Boeing follows a more advanced strategy. Fail fast, often and always, learn nothing, collect money, delay and repeat.
@carljohan9265
@carljohan9265 3 года назад
@@fisterB The beauty that is cost plus contracts at work. You can thank Boeing's political buddies for that btw.
@jimmykelly2809
@jimmykelly2809 2 года назад
I’m working on the Orion crew module at work. Simply amazing
@matthewtebo873
@matthewtebo873 2 года назад
I thank you for your work on getting us back to the moon
@luqmanity4823
@luqmanity4823 2 года назад
36:32 Raptor is small, but POWERFUL :D
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