Small HO Scale Layout Build - Ep. 14.1: REALLY Grungy Weathering And a Change of Heart

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Over the years, I’ve developed a style, like many modelers do. If we look at weathering on a scale of 1 to 10, where 10 is the dirtiest, my modeling usually falls in at about a 5 or 6. Definitely not clean, but not "Depression Era” dirty.
So, when I decided to build a dirty urban shelf layout called "The Grunge" some people were surprised. People who know me suggested that I rename the layout and build it out in a manner of other layouts and dioramas I’d built in the past.
After hearing that, I had a choice to make. Do I stick with what I’ve traditionally done or try something new? Watch the video and find out.
Chapters:
00:00 - Intro
00:38 - A Choice To Make
02:06 - The Look I Was After
02:37 - Getting There: Mortar Wash
05:11 - Getting There: Adding Grime
09:39 - Can I Make The Change?
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@bugler75 Год назад

For further weathering techniques look at armour modellers weather their vehicles . One of the top modellers in that class is the RU-vid channel Nightshift. He does dioramas and now scratch built buildings. He is an artist! All the best, Ian

@johnbanicki7232 Год назад

Looking good. Good to see you trying to get out of your comfort zone.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Thanks, John!

@oskarrunhaar6607 Год назад

Bob Ross of modell railroading at work 👍.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

You flatter me too much...

@williamw5287 Год назад

When you made the tenement, you mentioned minimizing weathering inside the stairway area. As my front porch proves, areas under cover actually end up more dirty as the rain does not rinse off the dust and dirt. This would also apply to the covered area of American Can. I would suggest adding more pastels to those areas well beyond your comfort zone. Love your posts.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

That’s a point I hadn’t considered. It will certainly be easier to weather underneath the canopy in American Can than inside the tenement. But given the viewing angle I think the look of the American Can is more important, so it works out!

@jeffgoldenberg9579 Год назад

I like how the tenement turned out. My personal preference is to use a darker colored mortar and not off-white/buff etc. It seems counterintuitive but to my eye it looks more realistic. I find that it also gives the structure an aged, more settled appearance as opposed to total dilapidation. Your mileage may vary.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

I thought about a darker color for this one, but (obviously) decided to go lighter. There are so many variations of brick and mortar color, I think it’s hard to go wrong. And you can always go over it again later.

@Weesel71 Год назад

Bingo! Grunge successful.

@mikewoodbury7248 Год назад

Ray O’neals layout is awesome. It’s definitely a cool shelf layout. I’m building a shelf switching layout. Your layout looks great!

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Thanks, Mike. I'm looking forward to getting back to it in 2023!

@rayoneill5485 Год назад

Good video Joe, thanks for plugging my layout 59th and Rust and the new layout Franklin falls NH😉

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

My pleasure! I'm always impressed and inspired by your modeling, so I'm happy to share it with others!

@wilzdart Год назад

Joe, the finished building looks very good, that is first. I have the same building in N scale I bought at a train show built ( too much glue right out of the box) I solved my problem doing mortar wash behind the stairs . What I did was tape a straw on my Air Brush and applied the wash. On the foundation I used Burnt Umber Gouache paint, what I like to do is put a dot of paint let it have about 2-4 mins to dry and then with a damp brush pull it straight down . If I don't like it I just wet a flat brush and go over it and try again. Like I said the building looks great. As far as the building next to it go for it ( Devil hates a coward )

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Interesting solution you had with the straw. And also interesting method with the Gouache paint. I’ve never tried that. Do you have any photos?

@wilzdart Год назад

@@ThePixelDepotLLC Joe, I traded it for a used Kato Loco but I am doing a back ground building a Cornerstone with the same technic when I am done would you like a picture of it?

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

@@wilzdart Yes,, I'd like to see how it comes out!

@wilzdart Год назад

@@ThePixelDepotLLC Ok should be done with it this week just let me know how I can get you the pictures,

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Hi Will. I must have missed this when it came in. You can either email me at jparker at thepixeldepot dot com, or you can post to my Facebook Page (facebook.com/thepixeldepot). Thanks!

@SantaFeBob Год назад

Excellent demonstration. Looks really good.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Thanks, Bob!

@robot7759 Год назад

Nice job. Personally I prefer to dull the plasticy sheen with a wash of white spirit, and just ad some colour washes all over. Let gravity do it's thing.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

I typically go with the washes on structures myself, but as you saw, that alone wasn’t cutting it for this effect I was after.

@Huntsville_Subdivision Год назад

I have an idea for the building near the tenament structure. The reason its so clean and new is because it was severely damaged from a fire, that it had to be torn down and rebuilt

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Not a bad idea. Do you have an explanation of why it was rebuilt in the older style architecture? (Not dissing the idea, just curious if that’s part of your backstory.)

@thecnwmondovilinepaulscota7304 Год назад

Looks good with the pan pastels. Might consider getting a bunch of Hunterline or Vetero stains if you don't already have them. Helps to quickly get rid of the plastic look and dirty things up. That diner is on industrial avenue, with trucks and trains and dirt and dust. It needs some grunge...

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

I do have some of the white Hunterline stain but haven’t broken it out yet. 🙂

@thecnwmondovilinepaulscota7304 Год назад

@@ThePixelDepotLLC I have 3 bottles of Vetero I use quite a bit. Murky Brown, Shadow Gray, and Swamp Rot (green).

@kargandarr Год назад

I would have the building that looks new set as a new construction that has been finished in the last couple of years. That reason would be a way to not have to weather that building much.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

I think you’d be on to something if the style was *just* a little newer. But the look of the building (might be hard to tell from that angle) definitely dates it to the earlier part of the 20th century. But I guess I could always say it was built specifically to “fit the neighborhood”!

@scottpecorino6320 Год назад

Damm the torpedoes full speed ahead!

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Sometimes you just have to go for it. 🙂

@reggiea.stroud8707 Год назад

Looks awesome!

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Thanks!

@paulliddiard141 Год назад

NICE WORK! Definitely fits the area. As for the restaurant: why does it look so clean; it's been rebuilt. After suffering damage from a derailed boxcar being shoved through the wall, the owners of the property borrowed heavily from the bank, and the railroad's insurance, and rebricked and reworked the structure. In 1978 (the Grunge is '85, right?) That justifies the "new" look of the building.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

This is a very creative idea! I never set a specific date for The Grunge. At least not yet. I decided it was around the same time as the main layout (which is July 1984) so I could use the same equipment, but never chose a specific date.

@petermenningen338 Год назад

I like your work. Keep it up. I don't know your location or layout direction, but in humid locations moss and lichens grow on walls when shielded from the sunlight. You may consider adding some green in the mortar wash layer to make this effect.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Great tip! Thanks!

@mikewinans9953 8 месяцев назад

I have really enjoyed watching this playlist. Getting ready to start my first layout. Going to be similar to yours but using the Switchmans Nightmare layout plan. Your videos are so helpful. Thanks

@kraigsickels3918 Год назад

Joe …… if you keep other building nice looking you can say “ It’s a part of a historic society “ and the historic society wanted to preserve it and keep it “UP” !

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Definitely a possibility. I’m getting some interesting ideas here!

@Perfusionist01 Год назад

Yes, I fall into that category of "sameness". You are also quite right about the hesitancy in trying something new or "bold" sometimes it can be fear of ruining an expensive model, other times it can be fear of the judgement of your modeling friends. It CAN be rewarding to try and succeed with a new technique.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

I think we all can run into that “sameness” rut. You find something you like or that looks good to you, and you go with it. But changing things up sometimes is good. I hear you about worrying about think Bryan expensive model. I always have that trepidation any time I do a locomotive!

@timwright3592 Год назад

Nice episode! Sometimes winning our battles with psychological or psychotic (I always get those mixed up :P) ideas floating around in our heads is step one. What we would like to do, the fear of doing it, finally asking ourselves 'what's the worse thing that can happen?' Then taking the leap. As for the clean building next store...The owner found a bag of money, and had the building restored to it's original glory (as it wasn't enough to sell out and buy an island somewhere). Again, nice video!

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Restoration. Definitely plausible!

@zedman6516 Год назад

Looks great Joe, congrats... you are advancing your skills in the weathering department. Weathering is a skill that is tough to bring up, it takes a lot of practice and a lot of people don't have old crappy unused freight cars, loco's and buildings sitting around to practice on. Weathering is not for the faint of heart, I been practicing this skill for along time. Some times I love to weather my stuff to look really weathered, this is where the fun is for me.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Not for the faint of heart, you’re right. But you just have to make the leap of faith and do it!

@joeraderblackrockcentralrr Год назад

well done. recon its time to try something a little different. THANKS

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Never hurts to try something new!

@AnonOmis1000 Год назад

I think Ieta's (spelling?) Joint should get a bit if the grunge treatment, but not nearly as much. Perhaps its owner takes pride in its appearance and cleans it more than the slum lord at the tenement building. Regardless, I think it needs to be dirtied up to some degree.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Laita’s Joint is named after a nickname we have for my wife. When I posed the question to her she said that It’s because “Laita runs a tight ship”!

@AnonOmis1000 Год назад

@@ThePixelDepotLLC exactly! But I imagine it's impossible to keep a building completely spotless.

@raykiefer5137 Год назад

Just found you and enjoyed your video. I guess I will have to bite the bullet and try weathering. I am just starting building some city/town buildings for my RR. Trains have been running for a few years and so track plan works. I bought some cheap rolling stock to experiment with weathering. Your work makes me believe.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Hi Ray. Glad you found the channel! If you use Pan Pastels, they are very forgiving. You can always wash them off with a wipe. (Link to those in the description.) You can also check out other weathering videos I've done here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Wic6b3FNJE0.html

@raykiefer5137 Год назад

@@ThePixelDepotLLC Thanks for the encouragement. Now into the train room.

@raygallagherjr8851 Год назад

Good start. Some grunge would not hurt Laita's. looks to highbrow for me after a day loading rail cars anyway. Why stop when you're on a roll?

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

I don’t think I could go too dirty on it. The real-life Laita would never let it get too far gone!

@houseofrandomness Год назад

I dig all aspects of the hobby. As far as the run-down, seedy, dirty, whatever it's labeled this week I think it's over done. Don't get me wrong here. The work that's put into them is top notch. I understand some areas (in real life) are run down and dirty. But it seems to have become the norm to have every structure on a layout look like code enforcement is about to red tag the whole city. Again just my .02 pesos. I think the 5-6 on the scale looks good. Unless the modeler is aiming for that 9-10. As always said it's your railroad, do what makes you happy. The effects you added to the tenement looked great by the way. I think that could be spread across the grunge and you'd have the perfect look.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

I agree. Most of the modelers doing to super dirty stuff are very good. But I just think it’s too much. Often it seems to be with the wooden laser cut structures. Seems like people think if it’s wood it’s got to look rub down and decrepit, and like you say, ready to be condemned. But I agree with you that everyone has the right to build their layout however they want. 🙂

@TotoMacFrame 24 дня назад

Speaking of internal battles... I am currently planning on building my own shelf layout. This would be the first time I build something somehow permanent. Up until now I was just room floor railroading. Now I have to decide... Do I buy the tracks for this layout to not use up my floor stock, and pay about 400 Euros just for the tracks, or do I use what I already have and use most of my switches to then not being able to build floating switch layouts on the room floor anymore? Decisions, decisions...

@pmsteamrailroading Год назад

Just FYI. The roomettes people make interiors for this kit.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Thanks for the tip! I didn't know that.

@paulliddiard141 Год назад

I just rewatched this. I realized that inside, with the roof over the stairs, you really didn't need to 'grunge' up that interior bit that much.

@ingor.522 Год назад

Your roofs are looking not real enough... Why not using wet sandpaper of 400 grit or up to 3000 grit? Essantial is the black colour of the sandpaper than cut it into small lines of ¼" of an Inch and into length of max 2" Inches and to roofing your buildings by laying it overlapped onto the roof. Than do the mortar weathering of it. Don't forget pidgeon manures or manure from other birds. Some green colours for moos, too. Old tarpaper roofs looking badly with some moos onto it in dryer areas.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

I will put this on the list of things to try. 👍🏻

@ingor.522 Год назад

@@ThePixelDepotLLC I used this method for lot of tarpaper roofs, but don't use too many white glue, because the tarpaper will come up be drying to create unregularity formed roofs but it looks sometimes very real and mortal of course, too

@derekalexander4030 Год назад

The other building is so clean because you haven’t weathered it yet. Stop procrastinating and get busy. Lol.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

I wouldn’t call it procrastination. More indecision. 🙂

@painter662 Год назад

Yeah… I agree with the comment about way to much depression era George selios weathering. He did it, cool. Time to move on. Find your own style. This one has become so over used, you got to ask yourself, how can a pkace this worn down, create enough business to afford train service? My god you can’t fix a window yet you are shipping freight car loads of merchandise??? You probably need to have a talk with your business manager. Me, I like weather worn but well maintained. Someplace employees don’t have AKs to go to work. Sure there are plent of urban districts tgat look as lousy as many of these layouts. But most of the buildings in them have forsale signs on them. Think about that.

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

Your comment definitely had me laughing. Couldn’t agree more.

@markwakeley3835 Год назад

Yeah, it looks lousy. Good job. Wait, what?

@ThePixelDepotLLC Год назад

🙂

@effenbeezeetravel4474 Год назад

Ya " got that factory kit in back of you and the windows look so "ROBO ? and they spoil it for the topic of weathering and the premise of calling your set-up the grunge ? those windows on that particular kit do not look like any kind of old windows on any of the old factories where I live and they are really-really bad for portraying ageing which is the same as weatherying so they are kind of like an Ed Wood science fiction scene ? they are so anti-imperfect . I would keep the kit and take a ruling pen with paint and draw some new " junker looking ones with a ruling pen and acrylic paint because they really stink visually . They look like vynil replacement windows they try to sell you on TV COMERCIALS , DO THEY NOT ? Sorry I had a hard-ass art teacher .