Our bills went up almost immediately after we had our meter changed from the mechanical dial type. I was convinced that the meters must be recording the current peaks which occur during the first few ms of an appliance being turned on, which were previously damped by the mechanical style meter due to the inertia of the disc. So I contacted Honeywell who manufactured the meters at the time and they confirmed that the meters do record the initial peaks which can cumulatively add more to your bill. Fortunately they have software "damping", but the amount recorded is adjustable by the network/installer (via software and infra-red comms interface). So I guess if all refrigerators and pumps etc incorporated a "soft start" it might help?
Mechanical meters slow down over time. Very common complaint when digital meters are installed because they are more accurate and don't slow down (or speed up) over time.
@@stevecampbell7620 Negative, analog mechanical meters have a much longer lifespan and are calibrated within 2% of industry standards before implementation. Smart meters not only charge extra for peak hour usage but also on 15 minutes peak intervals, and voltage. if that’s not bad enough, they are extremely inefficient stepping down 120v to 12volts, without any grounding making them prong to fires. Don’t get me started on the health concerns with smart meters. Analog meters have none of these issues plus they are hack proof thus private from data collection.
This type of metering is actually what your bill is if it’s very accurate the mechanical meters are just a little bit less accurate with sudden changes
The electric companies should not be talking about meter tampering. There are manipulating the smart meters remotely. Does anyone consider that smart meter allows the power company to speed up your meter anytime they want. That is why alot of people are saying that smart meters are reading more or faster. Someone should prove that.
I am convinced our smart meters are slowly being rigged to give higher readings. I know roughly what our consumption should be & the recent readings & bills are not accurate reflection. Not sure how you tackle the power company on this though☹️
@@shaunmcmanus2432 - you can't unless you put in a usage meter on the line coming into your house. But they will still deny it. You should see how many old people filed for bankruptcy due to the new water and electrical meters.
I was thinking of putting a calibrated meter on my side of the supply to check their readings. Depending on cost & availability of a meter it might be worth it to expose what they are up to!
the original smart meters had a zigbee chip installed to monitor appliance usage. appliance companies couldn't agree on a language to use, so they stopped installing the chips in them. most power companies won't use the newer meters that scan the load variants because of the cost and the simple fact that it does them no good knowing what appliance is on. only your total usage and, if you're a heavy or industrial place, the overall demand / power factor of your building. those directly affect the grid and bottom line. The Zigbee was for the end user only, so the customer would be able to easier diagnose failing appliances. You are correct in your assumption about the sporadic communications, the packets are small that are sent to the hub, but bandwidth is still bandwidth. Most residential meters communicate once every hour, commercial once every 15 minutes.
Yep just saw a new little "box" stuck onto the side of my apartment building 2 days ago... Says SENSUS on front... I open the cover which was only held in place by 2 plastic tabs. Inside it says SENSUS, Raleigh NC and all sorts of FCC wording and megahertz and all that stuff.... Scary stuff to understand exactly what they have in store for all of us Yet nobody seems to give a hoot!
There are some power companies that allow you to use your own meter and more commonly for back feeding and something like sharing power you might have your own meter to know how much is being used so you can charge them for their portion
Yup. There a quite few here in Norway with their own little water mills producing their own power and selling the surplus if they are connected too the grid. I guess the "smart" wifi/5G part is practical so they dont need to go down to the turbines. Another reason why these things are for sale on the internet may be a demand in the developing world, where power companies has a more secondary role. I dunno, just a thought
It seems like rentals would be the most common reason to buy your own meter. They're not using any of the "smart" features of it, they just want to read how much the tenant is using
Every new solar system in the UK seems to connect to the internet and send usage data to somewhere so you can watch it on your phone. They are all manufactured in China
I think people are interested because utilities can be costly and want to reduce their outgoings. I recently revamped my flat. I had to turn off my tiny British fridge-freezer (undercounter) as l had a new one coming. I actually dont use it only to keep milk fresh but because the nilk l buy is UHT it doesn't even need to be cooled to stay fresh. I just happened to leave it switched off. Then l got my electric bill which was £25! MY BILLS ARE NORMALLY £400-580! I was sooo shocked now l don't use it - the new kitchen looks pretty enough with it without it being switched on. If l wait long enough (6 bills) my new kitchen will have paid for itself LOL l'm so chuffed. I just had to share this with you. It's because the compressor is on 24-7 🤠 l wish l'd known this 20 years ago 😓😪 *Great vids btw.*
The reason people buy meters on ebay is so they can monitor power usage of part of their own system or rv parks where each rv is metered and charged for their own power usage. Some people also sublet power to a apartment or studio in their own home
If you bypass the meter with a jumper will the meter know and inform the company. Or is it best to jump from main power lines to the back side of your main breaker. Leaving breaker off so it won't back feed to meter?
I have an inline USI tracker on mine. In the past I have reported faulty and fraudulent numbers to the IURC . Everyone should keep an eye on their numbers. These companies skim and pad the numbers every millisecond of every day.
Fascinating - really pleased I found you. I would like to be able to see my readings as my meters won't - no home display etc. Gas not syncing so have to read myself. Rubbish!
Shame they have instant information on when your refrigerator goes on and off.... Perhaps some kind of bunching could be done that gathers load only per hour then send that so anything turning on and off is obscured? How well do smart meters work if you have an isolation transformer between the meter and your panel?
Hi. Nice to meet you and the rest who stops by. Since yesterday im looking in to the smart meters. This is is quite a nice topic and you are quite alone in this topic.... I`m glad your here and hopefully i will learn few thinks. BTW im not eally in to the revers engineering. Not that I don`t like it. But I`m not that smart... Do you have anymore videos or tutorials about how to connect to this smart meters?
Thanks for watching! Some good books by Bunnie Huang if you want to read more about reversing. A free one called “Hacking the XBOX” if you Google for it.
So I could jam the frecuency it uses to comunicate, there fore they can’t cut off the power. (I May have bad grammar, English its not my first language )
Your English is great! You could jam the signal (illegal in most countries) but then the power company would come out and replace the meter and check the area. The meter also stores the data internally and they could read it using the optical interface on the front of it. Great question!
You have no idea how much you are actually being charged even compared with your neighbours as each meter is particular to you alone and is controlled by the power provider.
In 3 Phase Digital meter, if we have 1 phase directly from pole but neutral is via meter. Will this neutral able to capture load??? Neutral can understand the load or consume units? Pls reply
found your video interesting. I suspect someone is stealing electricity from me, as my bills have quadrupled unexpectedly. Would the Electric company be able to see the grid to advise me on what is making the usage so high?
The electric company can definitely help you assess what’s going on. If you usage hasn’t changed at all, and they didn’t raise rates I would have them come check everything is ok.
Companies can manipulate the meters. Does anyone consider that smart meter allows the power company to speed up your meter! That is why alot of people are saying the smart meters are reading more or faster.
Anything conductive like metal can be a Faraday cage if you can seal it up. The higher the radio frequency, the smaller the opening it can escape from. For some frequencies even chicken wire works! Unused paint cans also seal up well, put a phone inside and put the lid on it. Won’t be able to call it.
Anyone know how to disable the motor that moves the arms inside the FOCUS RXRe-SD? Does it have a motor and arms inside? For research purposes I want to disable the ability to turn power on/off remotely
Explain to me why pence goes missing all the time. The meter tells me it requires 17 pound to restore the power but when I put 17 on it then asked for another coupe of pound
It feels like an invasion of privacy for them to be able to figure out what kind of electrical devices are being run, when they run, how often, and all that. Should be able to opt out or something.
bemasher wrote something for Itron meters, Landis+Gyr use a different protocol which is what peaked my interest. I am working on decoding the protocol now and writing some GNURadio modules.
@@RECESSIM probably that is my case also. I see with bemasher around 500 different meters but not mine 😀 Don't have access to actual meter so cannot identify it.
@@RECESSIM Could you keep us (me) posted on your progress with this, please? I have these types of SMETS2 meters (in UK) and would like to be able to monitor same. Thank you.
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They put in new meter, they replaced digital with digital ,usually take readings self, but yesterday there were 2 brown outs after meter reading, daily usage around 7 kwh,but today was 12
I am running a 910Mhz high power station from my house up on a 100ft tower 24/7/365. They are on their way to install those meters in the area. I bet they will not work very well in this neighborhood. Since those meters are part 15 certified, they can't cause any interference to licensed services and have no protection from interference from licensed services. My signal is omni directional and with 40Kw ERP fully licensed. I pity smart meters in the area lol.
hi, video interesting, i have investigated, i cached them - how the job going on - smart meter from the mechanical meter nothing different they rolling equal, but they monitoring voltage, so they push voltage 246v, when everyone after work home they increase to 253v, that is how bill goes up after replaced smart meter, someone cheating on you rip off, they have to monitor voltage to avoid burn your house over voltage. there schema is 230v allowed + - 10%, 23v minus or plus, so between 207v and 253v they can play up but they never drop that low as you could safe money. to sew them to small claim court wont be successful. if you seen voltage optimisation unit cost 400£ could reduce 10% - it is good but need to plug this unit before smart meter to safe money. i thinking call to shop who selling optimisation unit ask them how to get permision to plug before smart meter, if not allowed then what is point to buy them
This collection of information beyond the demarcation point is a violation of privacy. There must be a device other than power conditioners that mask the devices used in one's home... noise generators?.... any ideas?
See if your utility provider offers an opt out meter, although there is no guarantee they’ll provide you with a true mechanical meter (The one you need), and still charge a ludicrous monthly amount for a non communicating digital type meter, the latter option won’t solve the privacy issue.
Our rich Prime donna electrical supplier got a huge donation to speed up the change over to smart meters maybe 12 years ago. Still waiting for promise that residential customers would be able to acess thier smart meters to read power usage. Last liars are still working on it.
I have single phase as i live in a residential area. However i purchased an old lathe that requires 3 phase 208v. Do ya think they know i have that? And how do u figure that?
Interesting question, depends on the meter you have. I assume you have a phase converter to run it? They could tell power draw but likely appears like an A/C unit would or Dryer from power draw perspective. If you read about a company called Sense, they have a more advanced technology that has been integrated into some meters that can actually “fingerprint” the power line so to speak. But they can’t tell WHAT you’re making on the lathe… ;)
@@RECESSIM Yes i purchased a rotary phase inverter. And where i live everyone gets charged for peak hours which is of course not to anyone's benefit except the utility. It should be called screw you hours instead of peak hours.
Sure I'm going to copy and paste someone's comment and I'd like to see what you think about it we're having a big discussion in North Mississippi about smart meters and health and the comment I'm going to paste the man says that they cannot tell what kind of appliances are being used and I was under the impression that they can would you please read his following comment and let me know what you think thank you sir and I enjoy your channel "It is impossible to make any reasonable comparison to your neighbor's electric bill since there are many factors which impact each individual bill such as insulation. type of windows and doors, lifestyle, etc. Also the "Smart Meters" measure the total energy used and transmits that information to the utility, HSUD in my case. I does not have any way to know what devises are using the energy at any one time. You can have such systems added to your home but the Smart Meter is not such a device."
It depends on the capability of the smart meter. There ARE smart meters that can differentiate devices being used. Search for the Landis+Gyr Revelo smart meter and look at what it can do. It incorporates technology from the company Sense to do just that.
I live in a 900 square feet apartment and my bill is $200 I have nothing on except my a/c and FPL says too bad we don’t know why it’s this high and we don’t care
Inefficient appliances and things you wouldn’t suspect can definitely add up. You might have an electric water heater for your hot water. If it’s old and not able to store hot water without losing the heat that can add up FAST!
I hate my SMART meter and I hate my power company. My bill is 3 times higher than it should be, it flips my breaker if I try running my toaster and microwave at the same time and, it emits way too much emf, causing pulsed hits which have caused some health issues... They give the runaround when asking to have it removed. They've lied to people in the past and charge them for a non SMART meter, that's still SMART SMART= Secret Militarized Armaments in Residential Technology SMART devices are weapons.
Hi can they you turn one off by runnig a shutdown code on anothere one? I know the Companys here can do it. But cud we hack them my guess is yes. Im from Norway. We got these 5-6 years back O refused. And tell the Company its stupid and just for them. Also we there inside here to in small houses. I and i think that it's my choice to be near that ams box everyday. Hater these wood love to prove that we cud turn then off.
Nice try of learning what my appliances are, what about my computer that changes the input power that it needs (In W - Watts) all the time and is not constantly drawing the same current? Or what about my random motor capacitive dropper circuits? You will never know what I have plugged in
That technology is advancing rapidly, check out products by the company Sense, or the Landis+Gyr Revelo smart meter that incorporates the same technology. They can detect much more than just power draw like the first generation meters.
