SMG With a Monopod? The Vollmer VMP-1930 

"Look at that subtle off-brown coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a monopod."

C and R arsenal reference?

@@AzureRoseMarshal Futurama reference.

Both, technically. C&Rsnel is quoting Futurama.

@@jonkissinger426 Fry, few seconds after signing contract with military; what is that siren? Zapp; war where declared.

@SinisaTrlin yes, but it was a bit in C&Rsnel primer episodes that when othais would get the the point in a gun's story where I was involved in the war, he would say "war were declared" and they'd have a transition bumper with period clips and sounds.

And turns out that wasn't a mistake.

@@monotech20.14 The treaty banning them from making arms wasn't a mistake for sure. You can't say continuing to produce arms was the best thing to do to protect yourself when you started the next conflict.

@@bubba200874426 Military disarmament is one thing. However, outright forbidding production of pretty much all relevant military equipment of the time in quantities that would enable you to defend yourself, let alone arm yourself is how the German people got more and more fed up with the Entente to start the next conflict and throw their entire existence on a single person with sole deciding factor on living or dying is definitely the biggest mistake the Versailles treaty did.

@@mmouse1886 Hence after WW2 Japan for instance specifically being allowed a Self Defense Force. IMO that in itself was a major factor in Japan becoming a staunch US ally. They had good reason to fear revenge attack from China.

@@markfergerson2145 yeah... no. China was not a threat to anybody post WW2, especially not Japan. It's only the last 10 years that China has emerged as a threat to Japan (and others in the Asia pacific region). The US was more concerned about the Soviets, which is why the US was so keen on turning Japan into an ally (read: forward operating base right on the Soviet door step). As a matter of fact, Japan did indeed not have any armed forces anymore for a brief period after WW2, as per Japan's disarmament and new constitution, as well as the desire of the Americans to continue to punish Japan. Regardless of how the Japanese were treated by the yanks during occupation, politicians and much of the populace was supportive of this new pacifist idea - given how the US essentially reduced their entire country to rubble and millions of their people to ashes. It wasn't until the US became increasingly anxious about the USSR and paranoid about the spread of communism in the east with the communist takeover of China and the Korean war that the US decided it would be a good idea to pressure Japan to rearm and to help rebuild the country instead of zealously punishing them. Despite the resistance against the idea of rearming, Japan capitulated and raised up the coast guard and National Police Reserve (effectively a lightly armed military police) which slowly morphed into the JSDF we know today.

Is it the same Vollmer? I know of a model railway scenery company named Vollmer.

Yes, Vollmer Engineering founded by Heinrich Vollmer in Biberach an der Riß in 1909. The same-named toys company from Stuttgart was closed in 2014.

Well yes

Agreed, the woodwork is beautiful.

Obi Wan wouldn't agree

It has better fit and finish than most new production sporting rifles!

Good way to put it

Not really true. Maschinenpistolen had been forbidden for Reichswehr, only allowed for Police. Schutzpolizei units ( baracked Police?) had only the allowness of five submachine guns per Hundertschaft ( Hundertschaft means about , hunderd men', a purely civilian word). May be other branches of german Police also had few submachineguns. Not only military weapons had been regulated in Versailles treaty, also weaponry of Police. This means, for policemen, not belonging to Schutzpolizei units, ( Ordnungspolizei and Kriminalpolizei/ detectives, only pistols in .32 Acp or even .25 Acp had been allowed, also police sabers had been regulated. With some troubles, german Gouvernement could get the allowness that uniformed policemen on foot could carry a long saber,If they had the allowness to carry a long saber in Imperial Army or Police. Also for pistol producers Versailles treaty caused, that they could only produce pistols with caliber smaller than 8mm ( about .32), and no Barrels longer than 102 mm/ 4". Producing pistols may be in .380 Acp was possible, but mostly only for foreign Market.

​@@brittakriep2938 "Schutzpolizei is the German name for a uniformed police force." From Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schutzpolizei_(Nazi_Germany)

@@superturkeylegs did you miss the parts of the Wikipedia article above and below that one quote? everything Britta said is correct.

@@brittakriep2938 If the Treaty prohibits sub machine guns, then there must be a specific clause or clauses in the treaty where that can be found. I was able to download a pdf copy of the treaty terms online. Part V of the treaty is titled “Military, Naval and Air Clauses. Articles 160-163 concerns the size and composition of the German Army. Article 165 refers to Table No III, which refers to maximum numbers of guns, machine guns, rifles, etc, permitted. Article 168 permits only manufacturers of war material sanctioned by the Allies. Firms not permitted to manufacture are forced to close. Article 171 specifically bans poison gas, and the manufacture or importation of armored cars and tanks. Article 181 and 191 prohibits the naval use of submarines and even the commercial use of submarines. Finally, Article 198 prohibits military and naval aviation arms. I don’t see a specific article that prohibits the army from using a sub machine gun. It stands to reason that if sub machine guns were intended to be banned, they would have been mentioned in Article 171 along with poison gas, armored cars and tanks. Banning the military use of submarines and aircraft in subsequent clauses further suggests that if they really intended to ban sub machine guns, it would have been specifically mentioned. Now Table III, which limits the amount of military equipment that the army could have, doesn’t specifically include sub machine guns, but I don’t think too much can be read into that. Table III also omits pistols, I believe. Are we to assume that pistols, of any kind, are prohibited? Moreover, it does permit quantities of heavy and light machine guns. Would sub machine guns fit in the light machine gun category? Perhaps, given the Villa Perosa and the A-H Army making a similar weapon in small numbers. One can also point out that Table III doesn’t specify that rifles and carbines must be bolt action. Nothing would prevent the German Army from adopting a semi automatic rifle/carbine, nor would it prohibit the adoption of a select fire rifle or carbine. Thus something like the MP 18 or Vollmer’s gun discussed in Ian’s post seemingly could be adopted as a carbine for the cavalry divisions. Finally, consider how slow the Allied Militaries were in adopting sub machine guns for their own armies. The USMC did purchase some during the interwar years, but it wasn’t a standard arm. The French did some development, but had very few in service. One would think that they would have looked more seriously into development of them if they thought them important enough to ban. After all, tank development proceeded during the interwar years, as did military aviation, equipment which they saw fit to prohibit to the German Army.

To the USSR as I said above.

As do I :)

I was getting worried that all the weapons had been remembered

yeah, a lot of interwar SMG's are like that and for that reason are probably my favorite era of submachineguns

Agreed. Beautiful.

Henry just put out a decent looking 9mm PCC, sort of fits the bill.

I liked the way it looked but at that price I'd rather take a Ruger pcc and either make it look like a ppsh or get the folding stock model and replace some of the polymer stock and pistol grip with wood and brass

Pick up a Kalashnikov USA KR-9 and swap out the furniture for wood. Baller gun - copied (to the nth degree) from the Vityaz. Although, the triangular folding stock (that folds onto the left side of the gun) is very cool just the way it is. Proprietary mags, though.

except the monopod ... and the progressive trigger and selector switch redundancy ... you know what? I'm afraid I have to disagree with you.

And the overall length, and the awkward magazine well angle, and the obsolete sight ranges, etc., etc. It is pretty looking though.

That wooden stock is beautifully made just on it's own.

Dare you to try balancing on it lol

Yeah but can you still fire your weapon in a useful manner while it's resting on the extended monopod. I really doubt it.😂😂😂

Thats interesting. Thanks. Note: Groups in political power (arguably, that is in essence all that a government is ) buying weapons to use against the local population is scarcely a Norwegian invention. Govts have been doing that for millennia. Its more surprising that they chose not to get stock from Neighbour Sweden which always had a good arms industry and today is notable as a key exporter of repressive technologies.

Typical

Thanks, wet garbage!

Do you mean the European Bank? Yes, I agree. ;)

Better to have 800m on the sight and not need it than to shoot 800m with a sight that doesnt go that far.

Volley fire. Have an entire platoon or company open up at a unit formed up in the open.

​@@ScottKenny1978 9mm makes for pretty ineffective volley fire though.

@@ostiariusalpha the residents of the larger cities in the US would disagree, there's always a couple of people killed by dumbasses firing into the air at New Years.

@@ostiariusalpha Probably, but it will still keep the enemy's heads down! No one wants to get hit by any bullet at any range.

On the battlefield, it's drip or drown, and bother, we are floating

@@amartolo8782 oh bother, we are floating :(

Nice profile photo XD (approval from a Chinese)

'War Were Declared' is his friend Othias' catch phrase...

​@@BeingFireRetardant that is the reference

C&R Arsenal fan*

Just don't paint it black.

society and GOVT Even though it would be heavier, I wish they would have tried making a version without the wood. You maybe able to burn books (1A) but with a good gun you cannot infringe as easily (2A).

@@sam__304 because black is tactical

And of course, it should be Vollmer with an F sound, like "Follmer".

Don’t specifically know, but with the 9mm parabellum case slight taper that’s the direction magazines curve naturally. Possibly wanted to accommodate that ammunition stack curvature with a forward leaning magazine.

I went with electro magnetic pulse.

​@@gergoszabo7168wrong

Ehh...whats the worst that could happen??......

Your last name is VMP-1930?

@@Montycat78 yeah its an old family name passed down for generations 🙄😂

John Browning certainly was., as was Dieudonne Saive. Also Alex Seidel...

@@ForgottenWeapons Browning I have heard of but not the other two. Seems like all three are exceptions to the rule. Btw, thanks for answering.

Watch C&Rsenal.

@@ScottKenny1978 I want to know where they get the accompanying audio clips

@@extragoogleaccount6061 probably US government footage, which is legally free for anyone to use.

Perhaps to steady the firearm for those optimistic 800 meter shots.