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SMSL DO200 Mk2 & DO300 DAC Review: Are they actually identical? 

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@r00s.
@r00s. Год назад
What's up with the choppy video? Look like a slideshow... Good review as always, though. Cheers!
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Yeah, sorry about that. Was trying a new workflow to save some time and it screwed with my frame rates. I've got two more videos (I think) like this in the future, but have returned to my normal setup after those experiments. Glad you were still able to watch.
@darrellross8609
@darrellross8609 Год назад
L. Last year, your DO 200 video was so helpful. I am enjoying this video "with it". Best, D.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
That's great news!! So glad you're enjoying the DO200. 🙂
@kosachevkm
@kosachevkm Год назад
Good afternoon! Thank you for your reviews! Will there be a Shanling H7 review? Its comparison with Topping G5 and Mojo 2 is interesting. I'm looking forward to the new releases of The Tune-up! Thanks!
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I don't have an H7 review planned just yet, but you never know... The next Tune-Up has just released. Hope you like it!
@johnd7268
@johnd7268 Год назад
Excellent review and perspective. I have the DO200 MKii and have been completely happy with it connected to the AO 200. And no, I don’t use the sound color function either.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Thanks for sharing your experiences, John. Glad you liked the review. The DO200s are a great line of DACs
@adeadcrab
@adeadcrab Год назад
good one to have in the background while i prepare some food
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
🌮🌯🍔🍗🍜🍝🍱🥗🥘
@frederf69
@frederf69 Год назад
@@PassionforSound 🤣🤣
@IHearEverythingDude
@IHearEverythingDude Год назад
What happened with frame rate of the video? My eyes are going to pop any second.
@aRc11-11
@aRc11-11 Год назад
No schnitzel!
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Yeah, really sorry about that. Was trying a new workflow and it messes with the frame rates. I've got two more recorded the same way that will be released in future, but have since returned to my old setup. Sorry about the discomfort!
@vinylmonster4907
@vinylmonster4907 Год назад
Thanks for this. I'm in Australia and was curious if you have any information about the SMSL AO300 released Sept. 2023? Has both USB and HDMI with front headphone jacks. There is no information about it on RU-vid.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I don't know that one yet - sorry.
@vinylmonster4907
@vinylmonster4907 Год назад
@PassionforSound snooze you lose and miss an opportunity to be the first on zoom to provide some details about this item, I would think that would be something worth pursuing but im sure someone else will see the opportunity and beat you to it......
@sonhouse9636
@sonhouse9636 Год назад
Hi. Very interresting review, Thank you.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Glad it was helpful!
@pfx2259
@pfx2259 Год назад
Love the intro tunes!
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
So glad you like them!!
@Sopiyoyo
@Sopiyoyo Год назад
I m deciding between DO400 and DO300, do you have any suggestion? Thank you.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I haven't tried the DO400 so can't help on that one - sorry.
@dajikbatarang1
@dajikbatarang1 Год назад
I find that most Topping and SMSL products are more similar than different. They are all very clean sounding, with a decently wide soundstage but lack depth and sound flat.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Yep. That's true for most Delta Sigma chip-based (ESS/AKM) DACs, particularly if not using a discrete output stage.
@jerryj.7905
@jerryj.7905 Год назад
I agree, except for the DO200mkII having fairly good depth, when setting to Minimum Phase filter. I tested with Grado RS1X and BeyerDynamic DT880 / 250 Ohm.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
You can squeeze a little more depth with filters, as you say, but they can't catch-up with Multibit, R2R, Chord or the new AK4499EX-based DACs. That said, those all cost a lot more, except for maybe a Modi Multibit 2.
@sanchomill
@sanchomill Год назад
Nice review, again and again... I'm hesitating between Fiio k9 (with dual es9068as) and do400 (which looks - and sounds? - nearly like a twin of do300). Which one would you recommend? They're in the same price range. My gear : Meze 109 Pro and sennheiser hd6xx. And sooner or later an amp and small speakers such as eltax monitor iii. Thanks. (I wrote this question before listening to your conclusion 😂)
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I can't recall my conclusions on this one, but are you only looking for a DAC or do you need the amplification of the K9 too? If you don't need an amp, I'd recommend a pure DAC like the DO400.
@sanchomill
@sanchomill Год назад
@@PassionforSound The main goal is to power my headphones, whatever the source connected to the desktop dac/amp. Maybe one day I'll pair it with a separate amp, to feed speakers.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Thanks for clarifying. Just be aware that the K9 Pro is a DAC and headphone amp. The DO300 is only a DAC so you'd need to also buy a headphone amp to go with it.
@sanchomill
@sanchomill Год назад
@@PassionforSound You're right, but the DO400 is more or less the DO300 with 3.5 and 6.3 headphones outputs on the front (the ESS chip is the same in both). That's why I asked you to compare it with the Fiio K9. 😉
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Sorry! I misread and assumed you were talking about the DO300. I haven't heard the DO400 so can't say how the amp stage would compare.
@chrislj2890
@chrislj2890 Год назад
Jeez, that frame rate makes me feel like I'm having a seizure!
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Sorry! I've explained it in a pinned comment up top. Short version is that I've fixed it in (most) future videos.
@chrislj2890
@chrislj2890 Год назад
@@PassionforSound Thank you!
@aceofspades6667
@aceofspades6667 Год назад
I appreciate the attempt by topping and smsl to iterate.. they probably come out with too many models each year but at least they are trying to move forward ok progress with hifi on a budget
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I agree that continuous improvement/iterations are a positive thing, but also agree that it's too frequent and the performance improvements too slight (although getting IIS at this price point is excellent)
@frederf69
@frederf69 Год назад
They are often making the high end stuff just overpriced.
@parkerbuyeradvocates5654
@parkerbuyeradvocates5654 Год назад
I would be really interested in a review of the new IClever HS14 headphones from big w please. From what I hear they are a really good quality entry level headphone and if you have a smaller head (which I do) there's a huge saving compared with the JBL T500's which retails at a whopping premium purely because they are in fact made to fit adults. Thanks mate. Love your work as always
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
So glad you're enjoying the content. I'm afraid that I don't have any contacts at Big W to arrange a review pair.
@carlosamlgo4863
@carlosamlgo4863 Год назад
Felicitaciones por la review,se ve una review sincera y eso hoy en día por desgracia ,no es lo habitual
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I'm glad you feel that way. I always try to be honest and open with my reviews. 🙂🙂
@romulorossemendoncamoreira8341
Greetings. I would like to know if the USB input of the DAC SMSL DO200 MKII works to receive digital data when connected to an android device. Thank you very much in advance.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I haven't specifically tested that, but I believe it will work fine. Generally, any DAC that will happily run driverless with Windows (the DO200 MkII does) will also be recognised by Android devices. I can't guarantee, but I'm 99% sure.
@jerryj.7905
@jerryj.7905 Год назад
I have DO200mkII. I seldom use the sound color function, sometimes I choose Crystal2, depending on the type of headphones I use.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Yes, I don't know if it's a particularly useful/popular feature overall. It would be interesting to see what others say.
@Angel-AbC9
@Angel-AbC9 Год назад
Hi , sounds like you like the smsl do300 , so how does it go against Mojo2 overall sound wise and what you prefer. Love you videos
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Glad you like the videos! I'll always take a Chord DAC over a Sigma Delta DAC like an SMSL or Topping so the Mojo would win for me, unless you're using HQPlayer or some other upsampling solution (not just upsampling in Roon/JRiver, but a dedicated upsampling tool). With external, high quality upsampling, the DO300 can get close to the M-Scaler and TT2
@Angel-AbC9
@Angel-AbC9 Год назад
@PassionforSound thanks , I have mojo2 so will stay with that. I love the fullness and body the chord offers to the music . Is there another you know that has fullness and body like or better than mojo2 but not overly expensive say in price 500 to 700
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Only the Schiit Bifrost 2 can provide a similar experience within that price range I think.
@NeilBlanchard
@NeilBlanchard Год назад
It may be that some of the 11 opamps in the DO300 are single opamps on some/all of the chips? And the 5 in the DO200 MkII are dual opamps?
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
That's a good point and very possible, Neil!
@frederf69
@frederf69 Год назад
Your review is better than the product's; good editing ✌😎👍 BTW you share the same hometown as the incredible drummer Virgil Donati ✌🥁👍
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Glad you liked it! I wasn't aware of Virgil Donati - thanks for the education 🙂
@frederf69
@frederf69 Год назад
@@PassionforSound Welcome ✌🎧👍
@estevaokenzouemuradeolivei1414
How do the do300 compare to the dac z8 ?
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I've not directly compared them, but I think they're probably on around the same level of sonic performance. The interface is much better on the DAC-Z8 and you've got a headphone output, but the DO300 has IIS and some extra options in the menu system so it's probably better to choose based on that.
@estevaokenzouemuradeolivei1414
Very nice man, i'm choosing a dac to go with the cayin iha 6 amp that i ordered, sadly no one talks about that amp.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Yes, Cayin aren't very active with offering review samples.
@danielc5191
@danielc5191 Год назад
Is the DO100 a mini DO200/300?
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Essentially, yes.
@danielc5191
@danielc5191 Год назад
​@Passion for Sound my DO300 just arrived and I can say with conviction after trying DO100, 200 and 300 that the DO300 is the DAC of this generation. However a generation is now approximately 2 to 3 years max.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Haha. Glad you like the DO300 - it's pretty great. The good news is that while there are new models always arriving, the differences are so small that the DO300 will be excellent for ages.
@danielc5191
@danielc5191 Год назад
​@@PassionforSound still sounds good but as of now USB input periodically doesnt get a signal until I switch off and on the main power switch at the back of the unit. Possible defective unit?
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Certainly seems off. I'd try a different USB cable before going down the path of warranty returns/repairs.
@clan_biblioteke
@clan_biblioteke Год назад
SMSL HO 200 or Singxer sa-1 what do you recommend as a preamplifier. I have a Marantz 6006 amp and Klipsch RP500 M speakers. Thanks. I love your work!!!
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Definitely the SA-1. The HO200 is fine, but lacks the depth (of soundstage) and naturalness of the HO200
@TheMasterofComment
@TheMasterofComment Год назад
I guess next is the Topping e70!
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
No current plans for that one, but I would take a look if the opportunity presents
@TheMasterofComment
@TheMasterofComment Год назад
@@PassionforSound it is interesting tho, since smsl is known for less analytical sound, and the e70 velvet is, well also more smooth than regular.topping
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
That definitely sounds interesting then. I'll see what we can arrange
@dangerzone007
@dangerzone007 Год назад
To get the best sound quality I'd pay a few hundred dollars extra and get the mojo 2.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I would too. Some people will probably want the true desktop form factor with full sized connectors, balanced outputs, etc. but the Mojo 2 is definitely the benchmark for sound quality.
@JG-pj3bg
@JG-pj3bg 9 месяцев назад
The DO300 sounds more future proof
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound 9 месяцев назад
Perhaps a little bit, but IIS is still a less common connector
@lextr3110
@lextr3110 Год назад
The question is what beat these..
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
For the price, not very much. You have to go to Chord Mojo 2 if you just want the best sound quality and don't need a true desktop form factor or the Schiit Bifrost 2, but both are more expensive IIRC
@lextr3110
@lextr3110 Год назад
@@PassionforSound smsl D300 with rohm dac and ifi signature one does not beat these?
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I haven't heard that one so I can't comment.
@morrimoto
@morrimoto Год назад
can we stop with all the chi-fi dacs? SMSL must have 30 different dacs on offer…
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I agree that there are too many, but it's also why I selectively review some of them. I think it's important to help people understand how they actually sound, whether they offer value or just "more of the same" and, also, to keep checking in case they actually make a leap in performance one day. The reality is that they all perform and sound very similar (not identical), but that might eventually change so I dip in occasionally to check.
@steven2809
@steven2809 Год назад
Choice is always a good thing. If you find it all too confusing perhaps try another hobby...🙄
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
I do agree that choice is important. For example, having the choice to buy a delta sigma DAC where you can switch off the filters will be very valuable to some people. Having an affordable DAC like the DO200 Mk2 with IIS is also a great choice/option to have.
@bubblehead5394
@bubblehead5394 Год назад
SMSL Reviews. Are you actually Chinese?
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
No, I'm actually a balanced reviewer that's happy to try lots of different gear and see what's good, not so good, worth the money, etc.
@bubblehead5394
@bubblehead5394 Год назад
@Passion for Sound Balanced? OK. You could have fooled me. Seems like 90% of your channel is China gear.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
90% of what is on the market is Chinese gear, BH. I will (and do) gladly review whatever I can get my hands on regardless of where it is from. When I do say "no" it's always been to Chinese products that are too similar to everything that's come before them. Perhaps consider my last few reviews: SMSL DACs - Chinese Benchmark HPA4 - American XENNS Top - Chinese Schiit Magni+/Modi+ range - American HiFiMan HE1000s - Chinese Linear Tube Audio MZ3 - American Meze 109 Pro - Romanian Various headphone cables - Australian and wherever Gladiator Cables are from (not China) Focal Clear MG - French
@steven2809
@steven2809 Год назад
Troll alert....! 😂
@bubblehead5394
@bubblehead5394 Год назад
@Passion for Sound Thank you for the clarification. To me, China reviews stand out due to how they flood the market with useless gear. Gear that doesn't justify its existence. Especially coming from a country that has been criticized for its use of slave labor. Most people don't seem to care since it doesn't impact them directly.
@sergiymarchenko1002
@sergiymarchenko1002 Год назад
I was having a hard time to keep the pace, Lachlan...
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
How do you mean, Sergiy? Are you referring to the framerate issues or something else?
@sergiymarchenko1002
@sergiymarchenko1002 Год назад
@@PassionforSound I meant your speech speed, Lachlan. Did you speed up the video a bit? Well, it looks like. For me it becomes a bit complicated.
@PassionforSound
@PassionforSound Год назад
Sorry, Sergiy. I might have been rushing slightly as I had a bit of catching up to do with some videos recently.
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