@@thomasway0320 tbh riot a lot of stuff sub-optimally but banning scripters is not one of them. sneaky has been a pro at the game for 8 years and never faced a scripter until this jinx, and i've been playing the game 5 years and only faced one. afaik they ban in waves but they do a pretty good job at keeping the game clean compared to any other game i've played.
It’s clear just by watching how the movement is perfectly 90degrees perpendicular to all the skill shots as soon as they leave. It’s not even humanly possible to tell the direction yet but the enemy is already moving perfectly sideways.
I am fairly confident that ez q is simply too hard to reliably dodge unless at max range. Put any legitimate player well within ez q range and tell them to dodge 20 bronze ez qs. Its just impossible.
You also noticed around I think 9-10 minutes in after Sneaky realizes he's scripting and clals him bad ROLF, and then the Jinx come sback ot lane...she's inside of her minion wave walking down, Sneaky throws an Ezreal Q at the front of the wave while she's inside of wave, AND SHE STILL DODGES.
yep just freeze frame every time sneaky shoots a q and there is immediate reaction perfectly perpendicular by jinx. literally every single time. even, as sneaky and others point out, in situations in which the q cannot hit, and no normal high elo player would dodge. this footage totally has the guy dead to rights 100% here. not that riot is gonna ban him or anything lol.
His 2v1 Bot after the Janna flash R and right before with the dodges after sneaky E'd in was the most obvious points for me. This was the genuine first I have seen a video like this that I actually really could tell tbh
I disagree, him dodging like that is a dead giveaway. No human dodges perpendicular from the skill at the same exact angle from the skill every time to perfectly break any chance of it hitting them, as soon as the skill is casted, before the animation of where it's headed visually even begins. Humans dodge differently depending on where their mouse is positioned and attention is focused. This is true for everyone. Not even the best in the world can dodge a perfect Ezreal q with boots 2 movespeed, because if it's shot at the perfect angle to the champion it literally can't miss unless you move perfectly perpendicular from the beginning 1/4 of it's cast. His auto attacks in general seem perfectly fine, his switching of the gun when in range is something most Jinx mains with a lot of practice can do and there are plenty of people humanly capable of handling AA cancelling/ orb walking at variable AS on Jinx to an insane degree. What isn't humanly possible is his W locking onto people's position from a screen away, instantly with no line-up, off cooldown, and only casting perfectly in-between auto animations while doing so. Also of course, the aforementioned dodging is not possible consistently either.
@@amadeux5471 Yeah exactly, same here. I was a bit skeptical but thought maybe it's just a solo queue pop off game but then when both bot lanes were mid and she was auto dodging his q's even though he shot them at minions and she was behind them it's such a dead giveaway.
After that he does (whether intentional or not he throws one to the left) and even after ALL of those to the right training her brain she dodges right like come on.
BRUHHH that janna has perfect eyes, 1 of the good ways u have to see if someone is scripting is when they use certain "chains" of skills, 11:07 u can see the scripts perfectly in action there wasnt even 0.1 sec of animation on that shit
@@poopsyman As for i understand, scripts in short term, remove most of the animations trying to reduce the response time, thats why u can see clearly scripts with certain skills, in this case, jinx traps cant be animation cancel atleast not like that
17:33 the only time jinx actually gets hit outside of w animation is when she doesn't have vision, script is 100% just looking for the skillshot animations
not to act like I know what script was in use here, but the skill-shot based scripts i've seen (from scripter pov) don't need vision to function. It basically uses overlays to outline "threat zones" for skillshots as soon as the server registers the input. Like Ez ult will shows a red path across the entire map as soon as he presses R before the animation even charges up or a projectile comes out --- the "threat zone" or "kill zone" is displayed to the scripter as an overlay. The actual dodging was done manually but when you see "threat zones" before they are even shot ...it makes manually side stepping extremely easy and removes 100% of the guesswork of "maybe i can dodge this" ...you always know you can dodge it or not via these advanced "tells" but yeah, i saw that one time she didnt dodge an ezreal Q as it went over a bush where there was presumably no vision --- but her team was also pushing with alistar in front of her so it's very conceivable she just face tanked the Q to push the tempo...jinx wasn't in danger if she ate that Q.
@@_FirstLast_ they aren't toggling it off and on I think, look at tower dive at 4:55 she could've just tanked W Q and auto'd him once but scripts didn't let her. So it is vision based, it's looking for the champion windup animations, if can't see champ can't dodge.
@@virno69420 I mean ok but honestly, from a programming stand point ....you don't "look" for animations given by line of sight -- you just listen to the server feed and "see" that a shot has been fired from the dark and is headed at you, and you dodge it. There's no need for vision. The client uses "vision" as a universal handicap and hides the fact that the client knows ezreal is there, unseen, and using Q. Game clients generally only show you 5% of the game data in your UI. The vast majority is behind the scenes, but none the less fully known by the client. Also, that clip at 4:55 the jinx would have died to tower shots/autos if she committed to the kill -- that's not a script preventing her from doing anything -- if it was scripted she was actually closer to exiting tower range by running to the right instead of left. But she would take auto damage and trade 1 for 1 for sure. Running left and leaving the kill is just an intelligent move that had nothing to do with any assumed script.
@@_FirstLast_ @First Last maphacks aren't a thing for a reason, your client doesn't receive info from the server actively to the enemy position while they're in fog unless they proc certain things such as an item or any udyr ability. I know this because I used to personally develop scripts. There is no easily accessible output of this "server feed" you're talking out of your ass mate. Also the argument over 4:55 is precisely that the dodge script isn't considering her being under enemy tower or tower range at all and thus, the scripts in order to dodge the ezreal skillshots took the most inefficient route to escape tower range ruining the dive. Also, you really don't believe ezreal dies from a si glue auto and the 75%hp jinx with passive movespeed just walks out of tower range? Are you really that bad?
@@virno69420 Not sure how your panties got that far up your crack, but I started this entire post with a disclaimer that I don't know what (if any) hack is used by this jinx. I'm just explaining how other hacks I've seen and written operate. Still, you looking for a "reason" for her movement to fit what you already believe in your head (that she's scripting) doesn't explain that just walking out of tower aggro is the better play that a human doesn't need a script to execute. Actually, I do believe a 60 hp Ezreal dies to a single Jinx auto (could be wrong, and I'm not afraid to be wrong or admit it). It would be close with 78ad on Jinx and 33 armor on Ezreal ...but it just makes more sense to walk out and press W regardless And yeah, I think it's pretty easy to see that jinx dies if she walks up to auto ezreal after dodging the skill-shots, even with her passive boost. The tower will still hit her an extra time ...that would easily explain why she just casually walked out of tower range to drop aggro and then wait to kill ezreal with her W. Sneaky even acknowledge this by saying, "I'm actually so dead". That's just an intelligent play, scripted or not. You aren't the only person to ever write scripts, and assuming you actually have written scripts ...you realize each and every script is as unique as the author and the client it's modifying. You know exactly what I'm talking about with "server feed" if you have any idea at all about scripting/coding. That's not "out of my ass", that's hacking 101. That's basic shit, dude.
that happened like 2 days ago and the account is still active, they are still playing games on it. Edit: I just noticed that he was playing ranked games only, the moment he went up against sneaky and this happened he stopped playing ranked and started playing normal games for like 2 days. Now he started playing ranked again.
@@urbanlegendbb i doubt it, i don’t think riot bans people from Qing ranked. i’m not sure if they have done that at any point. i think they realised they played against someone with a platform and did something that puts their account out of the way of being banned
Riot bans players for using text, which can be muted or not read. They don't care about the competitive integrity of their game or people that actively ruin matches. Scripting, inting, wintrading take much more to punish generally.
It's pretty dang obvious through out the whole video, but I think that moment takes the cake. Just thinking of the logistics that would be involved if a person's hand was doing that is hilarious.
@@morpheusg4154 stfu. Your friend, when chasing, will smell where a tornado is coming from, run back and forth on the spot as a bm, and then suddenly flash late? You can see him fighting the scripts while it tries to protect him. That's why he flashed after dodged away, why not flash instantly? Because he didn't know he was going to dodge.
He would dodge everything. Weren't you paying attention when Sneaky was mid lane? He threw so many obvious misses to the right of the guy and he ALWAYS would sidestep to the left
The scripter in this video has a habit of leaving the dodge script or something on. 6:19 to 6:22 and 6:34 to 6:38. The tower dive by Jinx made me believe it's a scripter before I posted.
It actually depends.. at the moment of the throw jinx instantly reacts to the opposite side. But when the skill is coming into her, as close as it might pass by her, if it's not actually going to hit her she just zaps or aa back instantly.
@@Expllosaoriginal Sneaky didn't miss to the right. He was just aiming to the right half of his hitbox to make it so Jinx can ONLY avoid the skillshot by going left. If he tries to dodge right he would still get hit.
@@thefurrydevil6211 Never seen a scripter since I started playing in 2015. Maybe some suspicions sometimes but not something as blatant as that. I don't think scripters are as often as you describe.
The two I ever remember playing against was a Xerath and a Yasuo. The movements and windwalls were insane on the Yasuo and the Xerath hit literally ever abilities. The Xerath ults were painful
It's obvious, but the funniest moment for me was when Jinx cleared a ward and ran perfect circles in between attacks like "Yeah, that is normal behaviour"
Sneaky is the chilliest and pro player ever. He legit never gets too mad or too excited at the game, except when its a bug or something outside of the game. whenever one of those happens, he gets so mad.
@@Luizhmc drop the nick. We should harrass riot until they at least notice the situation, the fact that they are a lot of high elo player in almost every server and kinda shameful.
@@eduardopardo9629 Ye this guy and u are just wrong. There's barely any scripters and when they're found they're banned very quickly if they made it through the anticheat.
I love how Sneaky just experiments on Jinx instead of trying to actually hit skillshots. The worst thing is, besides Sneaky having Ezreal versus a scripter, the enemy team is also a front-to-back comp that is supposed to peel for Jinx, which makes the script even more... Useful? Efficient? I don't know the right word.
What gave it away the most is the fact that, if you look at it closely, he's reacting not to the skillshot flying at him, but actually to the CAST ANIMATION -- that makes it look like none of the skillshots were going to hit in the first place, because he dodges them BEFORE they actually fire
Well technically people react to the cast animation as well not only on the skillshot. Every skill has a “cast time” if you are aware of the cast animation of the character you can react even more quickly. Even melee champs has cast animations. The sus part was how quickly anf how perfect the jinx was able to dodge everything. It felt like as sneaky pressed W the scripts already starts dodging. There were cases were even if sneakys q was going to hit a minnion the jinx would still dodge away from it’s path.
@@ojouniisama5401 What he means is that whenever you cast an ability since the beginning of the animation it already has a direction and thats when the scripter activates even before you and can see the actual skill shot and with that see the direction
@@ojouniisama5401 well yeah, you can react to the animation too, but I don't think it's humanly possible to precisely establish the direction of the skillshot at that point, so you can't really 'reactively dodge', but rather 'try to predict and evade' (kinda what Sneaky said in the end)
You don't actually play the game regardless of what champion you play, since the program takes the most efficient path for you to instantly dodge every skill shot automatically, scripters are surprised by the script's movements, some scripts make you orb walk perfectly completely negating all gameplay besides moving from base.
what made it clear that he was cheating was how he was reacting to Janna's Q. He either moved the moment Janna started a Q towards him, not after it started moving, or he stayed still if the Q wasnt aimed at him
Every Q he landed Jinx was either in W cast time, trapped against a wall, or Sneaky was out of vision. She actually reacts during the cast time to dodge it, before anyone could possibly tell which direction the skillshot is going. Idk how riot can't tell when a 90degree movement happens at the same time as a skillshot is cast, but scripters never last long before they get banned.
I went back and watched some of the game that i referenced above, if you want to watch it yourself go sneaky’s twitch channel and the stream a week ago today around 3hours and 45 min in sneaky is playing ziggs with the same jinx adc. In my not professional opinion at all around 18 minutes into the game i saw jinx dodging ss’s from out of vision and pinging a thresh hex flash out of vision as well..
@same Some stuff gets detected in Fog of War such as few empowered attacks or attacking mobs in the jungle and just some random stuff like that, you can also know every single spells the enemy cast from Fog of War such as Flash/Hex flash, some sorts of stuff make some champions in some specific cases completly visible from Fog of War
reminds me of when faker went up against a scripting karthus that would Q on command as soon as the enemy was in range and still dodged every almost every Q
@@nhyar yes that can just happen sometimes, e2 has 0 cast time and is directional, most scripts just don't try to dodge it at all due to how weird of a skillshot it is to be programmed into an evade
@@virno69420 depends on the script, i have never use something like that, but i have seen a log of videos and some programmes doesn't just dodge the skill shot, they show you every misile and ability range and direction, so you can side step it.
The longer I watched, the more I noticed how perfectly clipped every singe auto was, like it was only playing a fifth of the animation. So weird to watch
A tell-tale sign of a scripter is if they ever juke in little circles, you can see her do it a few times. Humans do not juke in circles like that because it is very inefficient to do with a mouse, but for a program it is ideal
FYI : im a mobile moba player interested in playing league (still no gaming pc so it is just a dream atm lolz) It is very confusing for me to understand how people see that as scripting until i realised that league player use their cursor to both aim skill and change the direction they walk. Beside the perfect 90 degree side step it looks like normal gameplay to my eyes.
@@virno69420 Here’s an exercise, watch this account and see how long it takes for him to get banned. I submitted a ticket with video evidence last year, never banned.
@15:32 q hits when line of sight blocked by tower @17:32 q hits when jinx had no vision, no dodge reaction @17:50 again, q only hits when jinx has no vision, and no script dodge reaction. Every Q within line of sight was dodged, the only Q’s that connected were interrupted line of sight
So, Sneaky mentions that this is the first time he has played against a scripter, but he also mentions that he never would have noticed if it weren't for the fact that he was playing Ezreal. It's probably safe to assume that he has actually faced scripters in the past, but simply didn't notice they were scripting because he wasn't playing a champion so reliant on skillshots. Really makes you think...
The account is so obviously boosted too, this guy was a Lulu one trick through 53 games of ranked, then suddenly played a bunch of random shit in Flex, plays a bunch of Veigar co-op games, and then is suddenly smurfing on people in Granmaster/Challenger as ADC despite having never seemingly played the role before
The hack he's using probably has three presets. One for auto dodging, one for AA tracking and one to turn it off so he doesn't look sus. (His abilities are probably defaults to auto track just by using them.) You can tell every time his character model tracks onto a unit. At 17:32 when going to auto attack Sneaky he gets hit by ezreal q. He didn't even try to dodge it either. It's honestly gross and should definitely not be in the community.
how big of a problem is scripting? I have seen it maybe once on a Cass out of thousands and thousands of games. She is 1000% cheating, but Is it something that is really only seen in super high level play?
It's something that anyone below diamond likely won't have the knowledge to beat. Thus they typically end up high diamond or above, and most of the players they beat along the way won't even realize just how many things are being dodged frame-perfectly
Scripting basically is using AI to do movements for you in reaction to what the enemy does. So it takes no human skill to avoid/hit things they way it should be. one of the most common champions to see scripting on is xerath. (in my opinion) but ive only seen about 3 or 4 this year so far.
Cheating in general can come in many different forms but "scripting" itself I'd say is fairly common. You won't always notice it since it doesn't automatically mean the person using said scripts knows a single thing about the game or where to go. If you want to see more scripts play more ARAM and more normal games, that's where you find the majority of cheaters. Cheating is sadly common and league doesn't do much about it. You will just have to accept it and move on, dont take the game seriously and play for fun. If it isn't a scripter, a griefer, or high elo player wanting to stomp out gold players for youtube vids it's a booster who can do all 3 and really wants to ruin someones league day. You can't even escape it on TFT sometimes. People cheat in tft! It's not a serious competitive game
Easy way to tell if an account was boosted or bought is to check it's history and look at what keys they use for summoner spells. This jinx's account has flash first summoner spell, but if you go back in the history far enough it suddenly switches to the other way around. I don't know about you, but people don't do that, it fucks with muscle memory. Some else is playing the account with Flash on F and this guy plays with flash on D. Could be a booster or the account seller or who knows.
Since Sneaky is playing DBFZ now, I thought I might add this: The concept of the "mental stack" from fighting games is a pretty good one to explain why dodging on reaction (especially in league, of all things) is literally inhuman. Reacting to skillshots is possible on reaction in the situation where the player is ONLY looking for it. The more things you have to be aware of however, this adds to the 'mental stack.' The more things in the mental stack, the harder it is to react to things. This is typically used to explain how react-able mix-ups/grabs can hit people in fighting games. If a player has other options (overheads, lows, left-right, etc.) they have to worry about, the mental stack makes react-able things REALLY hard to react to, since you have so much to worry about. Now imagine how much harder *dodging on reaction* is when you have 9 other champions in the game you have to keep track of, literally chimping out with all four of their abilities. So it's safe to say there's a crazy amount of fucking mental stack going on in this game-- which is why people dodge pre-emptively rather than by reaction... because good luck keeping track of 9 champions and their interactions, along with your own character/cooldowns/summs, all for the sake of dodging one skillshot from one person. DBFZ player "GO1" is considered a god for being able to react to anything, while being presented with 5-6 different things to worry about. Imagine how many options you have to consider in a league game, with 9 other players. I just thought this was just a cool way to look at how fucking insane this Jinx's movement was. Also I'm a huge fucking nerd ayyyy
Funny thing is if you go look that guy up on ANY site now he's banned LOL. Get banned cheater. You know no matter what anyways says with ALL the games out there that have cheaters Riot games is one of the ONLY company that just nips cheating in the bud and you honestly never really have a worse gaming experience on any of the RIOT GAMES because of cheaters. It's really hard to say that about any other competitive game etc...R6 Siege, CSGO, Call of Duty, PUBG, Overwatch, etc...! Thank you Riot for punishing these losers with a solid ban and never letting them get the satisfaction of winning more than a couple of games without being banned.
I remember hearing something that the best way to identify a scripter is to use normal cast and aim at the champion without using the skillshot... If the champion dodges without you using the skillshot, its a scripter
I dont think this works. That kind of input is only delivered to the server if the action is cast. The server sends the cast to the other players and the script probably registers this cast and automatically moves out of the trajectory. I think this was definetely a scripter. These dodges were inhuman. If you dodge 80% of all skillshots aimed at you you are a good player. Another test would be shooting from brush. If she actively dodges a shot she cannot see, that is a script.
You was wondering what type of system that script uses, I have the answer. The new LoL building softwares (such as BLITZ app) uses client/game log and process coding to read what is going on simultaneously. As soon as you pick a champion, it puts the champion build on the client for you. The same can be done with the skills your opponent uses. You can program a reaction on the same time an opponent skill is used. When you hit Q on your keyboard, it is shown on the program process log "0.5 sec, show Q animation, X/Y coordinates, if it hits, show damage animation, etc etc". The script software can read that and then program a reaction for it instantaneously, exactly how BLITZ app does.
@@bruno4499 Yea I think the account was boosted to Masters with Lulu strat, then it directed by ADC scripter so it would be sold as an ADC GM/Chall account somewhere.. on falsy site/discord or ebay. A common thing at this time.
The sad part is that the jinx will not get banned because rito does not care about scripters. Even if you contact them personally they will not do anything.
This player actually just got banned by Riot, not sure if the ban is permanent or not but someone broke down games where it was obvious he was scripting by how he reacts to when another player just presses a skill. Sad it took all the way to challenger to get it banned kekw.
If you just look how shes hitting the wave with high attack speed its already really suspicous. Always perfectly moving after the exact frame she doesnt cancel the auto attack.
I read this comment before watching and went "Well I mean after awhile you kinda feel how your AS will adjust" then I saw how frame perfect every single auto was even when get excited randomly refreshed mid fight. I never realized just how gross Jinx looked on a scripter.
Ye so this is just wrong, sry. She's obviously dodge scripting but I'm doubtful if she has kite scripts, consistently she missed times where her auto was ready. Many times where she auto'd at like a 2.1 speed when she had lethal + passive. Source: am kogmaw main
The limit test with Ezreal against scripters (unless the bot has more in-depth know of the game) that I was expecting that Sneaky could try is to W/Q slightly to one side of the enemy hitbox to force a dodge to the opposite side and almost instantly aim with the other skillshot to the side the scripter is moving and see how the script react.
Sneaky: Has to play against a Scripter as Ezreal Renekton: Constant flame pings Edit: Watched the rest of the game and I only have one thing to say; Renekton players XD
Also, you can tell that she moves with a "circle" around. She perfectly dodges until the skillshots are outside of that circle, then she continues what she was doing. It was true for every single skillshot thrown at her. You can see she is not always perfectly moving to the side, but "circling" around the skillshots.
So I'm serious when I say this (you can believe me or not, idc)... I never used scripts but I watched two of my friends use them. My good friend and I caught the other friend all of a sudden being really good at the game until he cracked and admitted it. Then shared it with us. I refused to use it because I was still learning the game and just started to try/get serious in ranked (Bronze then. Barely get out of silver now. lol). But my good friend did try it and showed me how it worked. (This was like in Season 4 I think? Maybe 3? Who knows what they're like now but I doubt they're much different) It's just a thing that's always on and running in the background. The default was like hold spacebar for "cs mode" or whatever. It would just never miss cs and would dodge all skill shots. Then you would bind "attack mode" which would focus champions and perfectly aim skillshots and aggressively flash and shit. That was it. It was whatever two buttons you wanted it to be, cs or fight. It was honestly crazy to watch in action and ridiculously good. You could actually not play at all and hold space bar for 80% of the game and hold like Shift or whatever for fighting. It would seriously do everything in it's power to dodge everything. There was also settings for like "perfect heal/barrier/zhonyas, etc" and "perfect smite" shit like that. There was an overlay for ward timers... Oh yeah, and a thing that would automatically ping on the map when someone randomly appeared on it "out of position" or whatever. Like if a deep ward spotted the jungler or a roam somewhere, it would just do a ping. Like fucking instantly. This was before the other pings were in the game. So yeah... I watched my good friend play with it and yeah I'll admit, he carried me in a few games with it. But it was only for like a day or two. He got bored of it and even I didn't want to play with him unless he had it off... But the other friend, we stopped playing with him altogether... In any game because he'd seriously just find cheats for it within the first few days... He even had like a queue detection thing that would tell you if you were on blue team or purple team BEFORE hitting accept. Because stats showed blue team winrate was like 55-60% over purple team. Thanks for reading.
So I’m not sure if sneaky will see this but I have watched a few videos on the more common kind of script because I got curious on it as well. It seems that, that particular script in the video would let you play pretty standardly while basically inputting movements for the player whenever the skill shot is inputted into the game. So say you’re on Xerath, if you hit Q it would give you the most optimal chance to hit it based on the player you’re trying to attack’s movement. Which makes it borderline impossible to dodge. So I would assume for jinx it would optimize her attack moves while also allowing her to dodge most skill shots based on what the enemy players are inputting.
