Think insulting someone for or because of their race with a negative word simply reinforces the concept of race and is therefore not progressive at all. Even if a subsection of the group ain’t insulted/offended by it. Posting this as a separate comment as the other was based on the whole video not the specific topic.
Are you insinuating that progressivism is not acknowledging the concept of race?? If so, you might need to get your dichotomy checked first lol. Additionally, it's quite the opposite with the subsection of the people who are offended by "cracker" bc the ppl losing their minds over it are also the ones who argue that if black ppl don't want to hear white ppl say the n word, then they shouldn't say it themselves. I want to make it clear that no one is pushing ppl to say "cracker." The injustice is that twitch will conform to white identity politics bc of their majority demographics while blatantly ignoring the casual racism that goes on everyday.
@@Cowz19999 to improve life of ordinary people and the equality. Saying racial slurs towards white people doesn’t make you a progressive it’s just racist which is the opposite. Especially towards those white people who come from oppression. I live in SF, here the progressive approaches made this city worse. It’s lawless.
@@mof5490 Progressive actually just means social reform. In any way that you consider progressing forward. Nazism was considered progressive in the early 1900's. It is highly subjective. Nazism was not conservative (conserving what is or the recent past), it was highly progressive. It wanted to completely alter the shape of the nation, which it did. Progressive is not inherently "good". It just means change as opposed to stagnation. Keep that in mind. Progress for you is not the same as progress for Adolf or Joseph. I am a fascist. Obviously not in support of the abomination of fascism that was Nazism...but a progressive nonetheless. I am a progressive as much as my communist enemies are...we both want radical reform of our government but we want it in different ways with different outcomes. The thing we share with communists is that we don't want the average man to rule. Democracy is a blight, as Socrates has pointed out. Only the wise are worthy. THAT change would progress our nation. I find it funny both left and right throw "fascist" at each other as if it were an insult. It isn't, it's factually true. We share with both sides in the US. The nationalism on the right and the ant-religion and acceptance of political violence on the left. This only means we are the next likely to get elected. We can cater to both sides.
Sigh. Had a feeling I would have to say this again in the comments as I did in the video and in the description: 1. I've only watched Hasan a few months, I don't know the ins and outs of alllll of the things he's done and said in his career. 2. This video is solely regarding my opinions on his usage of the word and how he's dealing with the ban this week. And my opinions, 3. Emotions are high, Hasan is clearly a very polarizing person. I don't love him, I don't hate him, I don't know him. 4. ANY unnecessarily hateful, nonconstructive comments towards me, Hasan, anyone that has absolutely nothing to do with this video topic will be deleted. Thank you :)
Alright so I just finished the video but I'm a little confused as to what your overarching framework is. Do you acknowledge that the word doesn't hold much harm but just hate the idea of increasing animosity because it prevents people from being pulled to the left?
@@davidtu1565 being a dick to someone never solved a problem. I think that covers most of the issues regarding the social climate today. Insults don't create productive dialogue.
Thank you for doing this video despite the weird angry comments. It’s fascinating to see the way “stans” react to different types of criticize throw at their favs. I wish Everyone could approach these topics with a level head like you seem to do.
And thank you for listening and being so kind! I was very nervous about posting this exactly because of this, and at least for now the comments are still somewhat manageable! Had to block a few racist/sexist comments towards myself but of course that's just become a part of being on social media! 🥲
I don’t know if you’re still reading comments on this video or not because it’s older, but I think a lot of what you said was good, I just think you missed (or at least didn’t mention) really the most important part of this whole situation. The word itself when used as a slur can be taken by anyone to be derogatory, and I agree with you when you said that if it genuinely hurts someone, it shouldn’t be used against them. However, this word specifically is very unique because of its origin. It being a descriptive term for people who cracked whips on slaves. The people which used the word were heavily oppressed. Which is in stark contrast to other slurs which are used by people who are oppressors against those who are oppressed. Meaning that the slur doesn’t have the same effect as others, because it is used against oppressors by the oppressed. Even in a one to one comparison, this slur at its worst is an attempt by oppressed people to express their discontent with their oppressors. Now another slur such as the n-word at its worst leads to the death of the oppressed person it was used against. That’s why people say that it isn’t a slur, because it isn’t the same as any other slur due both to its origins and the effects that it has. Now I know you haven’t been watching hasan for long so I’d just like to say that hasan routinely stops his stream to address specific people on topics like this one. He has many times calmly articulated why this slur shouldn’t be held on the same level as others. On top of that, hasan himself is a white person. He used a slur against white people as a white person, something that isn’t against twitch TOS. If a person of any other group had used a slur against that same group, they wouldn’t have been banned. That’s why hasan is saying that twitch is catering to white supremacists, because only racial puritan would look at him and say he wasn’t white. It’s fine to not use it because you don’t agree with using derogatory terms against people, but placing it on the same level as other slurs which get people killed only serves to hurt those which they are used against.
A lot of people think that's the origin when it isn't it was used as an insult for poor whites in the south and European immigrants. Poor whites didn't own slaves, it had nothing to do with slavery. There's a lot of resources about it if you want to learn more.
I cannot love this video enough. Thank you for validating while educating and recognizing the humanity of everyone involved and in the community at large. We do not have to agree with or like people to recognize their humanity. Just like a plant can't grow in a pot that is too small, people on all sides cannot grow if we are judging them and thus confining them. There is a beautiful story about a neo-nazi who changed after his case was given over to a black probation officer. Her kindness and belief in him transformed him. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-njXZUH5hv0w.html When we alienate people, it can push them further into prejudice which is the absolute opposite of what we want. Edit: Also my opinions are my own and do not reflect any business, organization, or profession.
Why is the history of the word significant? "A bundle of sticks" has history, but it's current usage is disparaging, it's an insult. We don't argue for the use of it. Why is any insult being defended in 2021?
I thought it would be significant since a lot of discourse was around it being disparaging towards white slave owners versus poor, white folks who were treated less than. There's a lot of confusion on the "why is it or why is it not good to use" so history adds unbiased, primary sources for education and context. Hope that makes sense!
Very insightful! You're very mature and a great example of a progressive thinker. I enjoyed hearing your nuanced perspective about the social/political polarization in our culture.
While I agree with Hasan's understanding of the word, the number of times that he used it and tried to drill home his point was way too far. I agree with him on the difference it has to other slurs, but it just got to a point where he was just clearly trying to instigate a ban, which he got to nobody's surprise. One of the things I love about Hasan is how he uses agitprop to make sure he gets the audience's attention, and then he'll break down what he said in a way that helps them understand his point but I think when that goes too far, the original message is lost and the insults become isolated and the only focus of the conversation. The discourse just devolved into Hasan trying to prove that Twitch would ban him for what he said. I'm not upset as long as when he returns he breezes past this situation and uses much less divisive terms to get his point across. You can't use words like that and then just expect everyone to sit and listen to what you have to say without criticism. Some opinions are much better to be broken down without the whole agitation part. It's important to also mention that this was instigated when his mods kept getting banned for using the word when they were watching Masterchef before Hasan decided to share his opinion on its use. I've been watching him for about a year and he hasn't used this work once in that time lmao
Thanks for the insight on how this all started, more context is always much appreciated! And I agree with you that it's surprising that he would use that word and seems shocked that people had a lot to say!
@@TheClassicDoomGuy no problem. Basically the concept of “whiteness” is not a race, but the lack of a race. The definition of what is white and what is not has shifted over history, to define an in-group of a ruling class (take Irish Americans fir example). You can’t be racist against white people because there’s no “race” there. I hope that helped
1. Social Worker and SJW are not the same. Social workers are needed. SJW make up issues that don't exist or matter. 2. You can follow and enjoy the entertainment of people you agree or disagree with. It's entertainment. HasanAbi speaks like a socialist but behaves like a capitalist. He's a hypocrite but that doesn't mean you can't enjoy his entertainment value. 3. Where the word comes from doesn't matter. At THIS moment, the word is a racial slur. It's a pejorative directed at a single race and is thus, by definition, a racial slur. I am personally for free speech and not banning even racial slurs but if Twitch is against racial slurs, even a non-offensive one should be banned. 4. Progressive is subjective. Fascism is also progressive, just in another way. We consider other forms of social reform to progress the nation. 5. White people are guilted for not having experienced oppression. Since when is not being a victim of a crime...a crime? 6. The world is not just the USA. I am sick of people insulting us non-USA whites based on stuff American whites did or do. 7. Nobody is triggered by "cracker". It's about the principle. If racism towards 1 or 2 races isn't allowed, it isn't allowed towards any race.
Thank you for this! I've been waiting for a video like this. Very well-spoken. There's a lot he doesn't understand that he blocks people for trying to explain to him. I think he has a large ego problem.
(Watched the whole video). Like to view Hasan as just a left version of a tonight show type entertainer, alright for some news coverage stuff but actual education/information there’s a lot of better places (livestream ain’t the way to get it). Think insulting someone for or because of their race simply reinforces the concept of race and is therefore not progressive at all. Think cementing people into “race” is a far-rightwing categorisation, not that categorisation is inherently leaning that way but using terminology so binary that it is simply white and poc as the two is not ideally useful for progressive movements. The end goal of anti racism is for race to not be used to classify people as there would be no difference between ppls races. As with institutionalised racism along with both economic and geographical racism having gone leaving just appearance/features (cultural differences would be on ethnicity not race). 7:58 University/college is still education so it’s going to involve learning, getting everyone to base level of understanding is always required and should be known by students. Understand how that could be frustrating though lashing out at the product of a system (a privileged person) that had no choice in if they would either need to be educated or if racism would be seemingly part of their lived experience is a low/shit thing to do when they went out of their way to be informed about injustices. The same could easily be said of guys having to be taught and educated on misogyny n even patriarchy. Are those people bitter that privileged people, learn about racism through a class rather than the lived experience, I think a few are and I see them as no different to the type of people that say we shouldn’t be allowed to have our student debt forgiven because they paid theirs off 30 years ago. (Hope that made last part sense). Anyways agree with your perspective and wish more seemingly did, hope you continue to make videos next year.
Hm I'm pretty sure I didn't say it's "always leftists" who should "educate and teach others". Moreso, people who understand the nuance of race relations should be compassionate and show grace and educate those who who do not. As I mentioned in the video, it's not a left versus right!
when worlds collide! i didnt know you watched hasan, or at least knew of him to make this video. i haven’t seen it yet and i’m going to have a wait bit at the time of writing this, since i’ve got to finish a paper, but i’m so looking forward to it!! 💛
I'm laughing hysterically after I find out what word Hasanabi used, can't believe he got banned for it. Good that he didn't apologize either :) people are too sensitive
You know whenever I think of a social justice warrior I usually think of a cringed loser trying to fight in every single fight. I would definitely say you change my perspective .
Not sure what my appearance has to do with anything? Is he the type of guy to stereotype women based on their appearance before actually listening to what comes out of their mouths? :)
@@hi.yeonni nah didn't mean any offense, sry for that but no.. it's a meme, he likes that so that's all so he will probably like you is all i was going at nothing bad nothing mean no stereotyping, none of that :| sry if it came across that way, english isn't my first language and im not even living in a english speaking country 😓
If you ask me it is very ez if you use any word to degrade someone based on race ...etc then you are a racist back in the 50's and 60's words that were used to degrade people by race was a common word so did that make it ok then? the answer is no it was not ok and it should not be ok today. I will say it again if you use any word to degrade someone based on race it don't matter what race they are then you are a racist.
Alright. Now make every conversation devoid of any kind of mean words. "-Ah We must never let Nazism rise again. -Why? -Well, Hitler was..... hmmmm.... not a nice man."
I feel like your approach to social justice is more like Martin Luther King, whereas Hasan's approach is more like Malcolm X... I prefer the latter approach, personally. But I have nothing against those who'd rather take a more MLK-like approach. While I disagree with your stance, your argument is well-formulated, so kudos for that!
Personally I disagree, I understand what u mean and I can see what your standpoint is. But in the video when you said it's not just like a word like "pencil" and yes although that is true they have completely different meaning, but if I were to call a person of any racial group a pencil with context and meaning behind it with vulgar and malicious intent, would that to become a slur to? The word cracker itself has so many meanings behind it and don't think that the word itself should not be said. Have some common courtesy, don't delete this comment, rather "educate" me.
Firstly, Im offended that you're already starting off the conversation saying that I would delete your comment? I have not deleted comments that are opening up civil conversations. Also, the "" on educate? A bit of advice on having open conversations, don't start off by insulting the person you want to have a civil conversation with.
@@hi.yeonni First off, u seem nice didn't ask if u were offended. I'm not insulting u I just wanted to have some real education, tell me on ur standpoint of my claim and I'll try my best to understand. Give me some of your knowledge
@@hi.yeonni I'm rude for informing you that I don't care that your offended😐 I called u fuckin nice what more do you want from me😂 cause that's damn well the only type of nice u finna get outa me😂😂
Can't believe you wasted 4:10 minutes for intro of this topic. Get straight to the point, keep your intro about the topic short. You just kept saying that you are sjw and that you have a platform to say something and that you don't send hate and then again your said you're just saying your opinion. Cut that bullshit and straight to the point.
