The context of the trial is almost always as important or more important than the person being tried or the decision that was rendered. However, this is absent from the Socratic discourse. Socrates' trial took place in 399 BC or 400 BC, so just a few years after the end of the Peloponnesian War (431 BC to 404 BC). Socrates survived the war and the epidemic that befell Athens, taking the life of its greatest political leader. When he was put on trial he could have said: "The rigors of the Peloponnesian war troubled the minds of my accusers, because they also lost their friends, relatives and political leaders. It turned them against me because I always criticized those people while they were alive. My accusers suffer because of an event that I did not cause. The war was not started by me and I was old to fight in it. Will their suffering be lessened if they make me suffer? No, because their friends, relatives and political leaders will remain dead. My accusers could have said that I spread the disease that killed so many people during the war. If that were the case I myself would already be dead like most people who got sick. Who among the survivors can accuse me of having survived without accusing himself?" And so on... Socrates however does not draw attention away from himself by using the context in which he was tried, something that would be admissible and would probably be done by any lawyer (believe me I am a lawyer and I know what I am talking about). No, he kept within the confines of the accusation, and at best examined the character of his accusers. This cannot be considered a good legal strategy either, because Socrates knew that he was unpopular and that flaunting his unpopularity would be an almost certain way to get a conviction. This is where things get more interesting: Socrates said that it was better to suffer an injustice than to act unfairly. And yet he practically forced his judges to convict him by refusing to use a defense strategy that could have led to his acquittal. So Socratic's defense speech may be considered an exceptionally ironic one: it was the philosopher's last sting at an unjust city condemned by him to pass another unjust judgment.
Another part of the context which is lacking: We do not know **how** Socrates engaged the issue of the Peloponnesian War. He may have been critical against the narrative of the war, and deconstructing Athenian war-time propaganda - thus being seen as contributing to Athens' defeat in the war. He also belonged to the social class - "the Hill Faction" - which was seen as harboring Pro-Spartan sympathies. The Athenians would very likely have regretted the trial a few decades later with hindsight, when the emotions would have been calmed. The equivalent would be if there was a respected author in a certain contemporary Eastern European country experiencing an invasion today, who previously had won Nobel prizes in literature, who either condemned his own war-time government or deconstructed its narrative, or even **refused** to outright comment on or condemn the invasion. That would be seen as very suspicious.
I guess you could say that this whole trial was another real life Greek tragedy, where Socrates's mistrust of the outcome of the trial became, in itself, unfortunately, a self fulfilling prophecy. Having said that, I honestly wonder how many acquittals there had been in Athens, up to that point? In my study of the play: "The Wasps" by Aristophanes, it seemed like, at least during the days when Cleon was in power, the Cleon would persuade the jury to vote against the defendant using various incentives, for example, telling them Laches (a general who might have functioned more like an admiral by today's standards) had a lot of cash tucked away. He also gained popularity among the old and the retired by increasing the pay of the jurors by 50%. It wasn't actually a big amount for him to fund through his tanning business, but it definitely won over a lot of loyalty from the jurors. Anyway, my feeling about this whole thing is that Socrates basically had very little faith that the court will do the right thing. And that's sad, but realistic.
@@zhouwu Yep. No doubt about it. Socrates himself had already been arrested and taken to the presence of the tyrant of Athens for saying that it was strange for someone to consider a good shepherd a person who reduced his flock (a clear and scathing reference to death sentences having become common). What you said only reinforces my impression that Socrates refused to use a legal strategy that might have seemed more plausible because the outcome was already set before the trial. This is also suggested by the surprise he shows that so many people voted to acquit him. In the face of tragedy, of a theatrical judgment, Socrates played a role that could grant him immortality by covering his accusers with infamy for eternity (something that actually happened).
@@fabiodeoliveiraribeiro1602 I get the chills, visualising the show trials of the former USSR many years later, and how men had their guts knocked out of them by comparison (metaphorically speaking, or, at least, I hope so.) Maybe at the time of the Soviet Union, only Christian Martyrs were willing to pay the price of their own blood, just to make a statement. And maybe, at the end of the day, that's what it comes down to: Life or communication/vindication?
@Dude0000 something in the range of 3000 years later and This guy's remembered as little more than a hater, while we are tought the fundamentals of the Socratic method in schools... There food for thought there I think :V
Joke's on you both, Plato made Socrates up as surely as the jews made up Jesus. And to the point, both your quotes now carry much more weight. Touché Plato you unstoppable subjective force of moral exploits in a finite world of tangible immovable objectivity! /Slams plucked chicken on table /finds the tangent to the circle /takes the Archimedes screw escalator out of the chat
@@skeetorkiftwon This is stupid beyond belief. Maybe thats the point. >jews made up Jesus. Theres a certain sleazy skill in insulting both Jews and Christians in a short sentence. Do you have a point or are you merely a nihilist spewing out egalitarian hatred of all values? Plato is merely one of several ancients who discussed Socrates. And why would Plato avoid taking credit for his own ideas?!
@FredCarpenter-pm8bf Well now we're just getting into Gödel's incompleteness theorems. Did you notice in Guardians of the Galaxy 3 that Rocket put the cage keycard in his pocket and tested his gravity boots just before being knocked unconscious by Adam Warlock? Odd he'd prepare what he needed for a fight he might not survive to see. I guess Tony Stark isn't the only one cursed with knowledge. ^.~
@FredCarpenter-pm8bf The man who writes the Allegory of the Cave is definitely clever enough to create a philosophical Superman then eh? A thousand years from now, people will be quoting the legendary Peter Parker, from Book 1 of The Amazing Spider-Man ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-xUHQ2ybTejU.html
In greece 8 years ago they recreated Socrates trial in an ancient roman agora using ancient greek. Next to us there was a screen with modern greek and english subtitles. I watched It 2 times. The aesthetic and the vibes while talking ancient greek... gives you goosebumps. It was epic ✌🏾
@@kompav5621 I cant find the hole trial. But the National Theater of Northern Greece published a 3min "sneak peak" video link : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-3UQmRVslS9M.html The guy preforming Socrates actually speaks ancient greek !. Hope I helped you 🧐
"You think by silencing me you're avoiding critique of your actions but I assure you more critics will arise & they'll be younger & even harsher. Remember eliminating your critics isn't the way to improvement or redemption, the best way forward is self improvement" Thank you for this, no doubt I'll be listening to it a few times over
It seems very likely that Socrates was complicit in the Rule of the Thirty Tyrants, and that he was actually tried and killed as a traitor of Athens and of democracy: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LrUzRrGQZyA.html Not for being "a hoity toity bad mouth philosopher".
Back in college, a guy I knew thought it was "cool" and "edgy" to dismiss Socrates as basically being a "bum", based on his description as being shabbily dressed, having no actual job and just hanging out at the marketplace talking to random people all day. My response: Not only did that "bum" regularly attract the best educated, most successful and brightest minds of the city to have debates with him (which he pretty much always WON) but his impact on history was so profound that 2 and a half *thousand* years later---you still know his name. So put some *respect* on it. After all, do you really think people will remember YOU for even a fraction as long?
Thanks for sharing your memory. Yes, intellectual cowardice, egoism and disgraceful apathy on his part. He needs to read Plato more than anyone! It is all _too easy_ to dismiss something at the gut level. Keep in mind that for Plato, education means "turning around". The essential thing in learning is the _realization_ you don't know. Socrates may appear to be out of sync with his world view -- you have to have nice clothes or you're unworthy, no one in the market can possibly reveal the beauty of truth. But in the end, it's the _unwillingness_ that is the ultimate problem. And so he suffers, without even realizing it is so. Lastly, may I remind you that Jesus on his way _willingly_ to be put to death on a cross did ride upon a donkey (instead of a royal animal like a camel or elephant) -- the meaning of this action being _I am no earthly_ King. "The Christ in you inhabits not a body"
Doesn't help that those in power will not reformat the educational systems to teach a better world. They have these fake movements that STILL support the social ills of the past, present and most likely future. It's sad really . They know a better way but better causes their power to deplete.
A tragedy of the human comedy... Man the 3 brained humanoid walks asleep to his full potential. Man! Know thy self! And ye shall know the universe and the Gods.
Nothing new under the sun…. it seems we never learn as all great civilizations fall. 2023 watching laws benefit the lawless, mothers kill unborn children, useless politicians bankrupt a nation, and men pretending to be women. Where’s a giant comet when you need one?🤷🏼♂️
As one who read Socrates’ defence in Ancient Greek, I was skeptical at first when I heard that you were putting Socrates into modern parlance and vernacular. I was worried it would descend into gutter speak or sound vulgar… but by God you have brought the man’s spirit to life! Profound job, keeping the Gad Fly alive!
I expected this to become a sort of "GenZ-talk"-thing and became disappointed for a half a second that it wasn't until I realized: "I now get to hear something appraised in a manner that is digestable to non-scholars. Neat"
maybe I should let you remain in ignorance but now only was the script read by an AI voice and the background AI generated I'd also wager an AI simplified this language from a more verbose original translation.
@@guillotineenjoyer2496 Thank you for your concern and for providing that information. I am actually a software engineer and am well aware of the multitude of AI tools available presently. While you may be correct (to a greater or lesser degree) about what you have said, a human being still played a role in producing this end result. Though they may have used tools that facilitated automating various steps of the process, a person still needed to tie everything together in order to produce this content. I use AI models all the time in my line of work, they are a powerful tool, but like any tool, they require a competent user to wield it. I do appreciate you taking the time to inform me of something I may have known nothing about. TLDR: I enjoyed the content and wished to support the channel (person/people) that produced it, so I did.
I didn't see the part about the translation. After 3 minutes of listening, I was upright in bed. I thought it was maybe a prank video. But a part of me wanted to believe it really went down like that.
Even after 2500 years still one of the greatest speeches of a man ,that defends not just one man but the right of every man to articulate his thoughts to well meaning words to convey an important message for humanity !
Except he was likely spouting nonsense to obsfucate the fact that he was being tried as a traitor of Athens and of democracy in the wake of the Rule of the Thirty: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LrUzRrGQZyA.html
@@polybian_bicycleThat doesn’t prove it was a bad speech. Everyone knows he was executed for political/religious reasons. He basically called out their hypocrisy and stupidity, their degeneracy and false tongues. You can’t do that in the modern age, let alone thousands of years ago 😂
@@polybian_bicycle Btw, he was offered multiple chances to take exile or escape prison, he refused. Your weak ass would beg for your life like a sniveling wretch.
@@goldilocks913 Fortunately* FTFY Historically he is a little ambiguous and you could certainly call him white and we could all agree that he is, but race/sex/gender/etc. should carry little weight when dealing with timeless ideas and wisdom. Go off though
As an greek I want to thank you for your good words and must admit my admire for our countries common past, as our countries the foundation of our lives today and more ancient kingdoms who ruled before our countries I admire your culture from then to the current day ❤
@@ace-pv4hy The interaction of Greece and Persia likely extends back into the Bronze Age pre-1100 BC. Remember Xenophon and Herodotus both traveled in wrote about Peria. Heck I wish I could read some classical era takes from the Persian POV on the Greeks.
@adolft_official کورش کبیر و فردوسی طوسی رهبران ما هستند و فارسی زبان ما ایرانیان. فرهنگ عربی برای عربها خوبی و بس. آخوندها هم شکست خواهند خورد و فرهنگ مهاجم عرب ظالم از ایران بیرون رانده خواهد شد. زن ، زندگی، آزادی.
@adolft_official Utter nonsense. The Persians achieved civilization thousands of years before the marauding Arabs conquered them. Half of the great Islamic scholars were Persian - not Arab.
At 76 now myself, my journey is coming close to completion, and I feel mostly at peace. 4 kids, 2 each with two females, 20 years apart, (early 20's & early 40's I was for these two crops) so it was a busy life, worked throughout, fairly active, busy jobs, so all in all, felt like I did what was needed at most times. Retired ten years so far, saved money dwindling, a bit saddened by a concussion some years back that left me partially compromised on mobility, so now shuffling along a bit tentatively, feel like meaningful activity is behind me, so now just putting in the remaining time, is a bit dreary, but overall health is hanging on, so guess I will too until comes the next big hitch, then I'll be satisfied to move along before I should become completely incapacitated or no longer possess my mental cognition....then I'll be content to move on, accept the inevitable. What becomes of my consciousness, well, just have to face that as it comes as I accepted my life in the first place when I first gained self-awareness. Peace, out.
my dad is in his 70's. I want to see him soon back in Australia. I have lived away from home for 7 years. My childhood was wonderful spending a lot of time in the outdoors, sports, school, with friends. It wasn't like he wasn't around, he was, and there was / is a wisdom about him - but he was preoccupied with his own projects and not the most attentive parent - and there were conflicts with my mum. There was noise in my childhood and my mum worked far too much. My brother and I were and are close though we are speaking a lot more about our parents as they age, especially dad who didnt look after his health the way he should have. I look forward 10 years and dad may not be around, I wonder how I will feel and what I will think about, be happy about, he sad about and so forth. At the end of the year back in Australia I want to spend a lot of time with him....this time scares me and excites me... Would you have any advice for a son in his 30's with a father in his 70's, like you? What might he be thinking and feeling...how can his sons make him happy when all is said and done? Thank you, Charles
Thank you for sharing! I see the same fighting spirit in you that I see in my dad who's 78. It's tough getting older, but you've also got experiences that are priceless for the next generations. Share them, and keep making a difference. Wishing you strength and many more fulfilling years. Stay strong, friend.
I mean no disrespect, as I am not that far from you in terms of age, picking up the rear I suppose. I try to keep my executive responsibilities for my body clear by realizing that even though death invariably approaches, I could get killed the next time I take a poop (you'd maybe be surprised at how many people are found dead at the toilet from straining to poop), some gunman might kill me as I go shopping, or I could die in a car accident. Those potentialities help us to stay focused on the immediate, rather than the inevitable. Having said all that, though, I think the real question for you would be whether or not you would sacrifice whatever amount of time you have left if it gave you an enormous bump-up in terms of being remembered throughout history? Is being remembered for a couple thousand+ years important enough? And if it is, isn't that really just ego?
Socrates was the one who lead me down the path of Philosophy, the one who spoke to me in a way I understood and loved. I marvelled at his wisdom, and loved him for his honesty and courage. Many years have passed since we met, and my love for him is still above all others, is it his humanity? I think so. So now I have listened to his defence, and find it so moving, and I love him even more now. He is always the one I choose, above all others, to have at the top table at my very exclusive dinner party. Thank you.
@@John117-ch7kz Frankly I am tired of British speaking actors playing Romans, Vikings, Egyptians...etc., since childhood I always struggled with the incongruence between the sound of an actor’s natural language and the actor to the role.
This is absolutely phenomenal. As a Greek I studied Socrates in school back in the day. Only in the recent years I finally understood that Socrates was literally "cancelled" to death by his sycophants.
That's because he was in fact very much like the greek heroes who died for the right thing instead of living in shame. Socrates listened to his inner voice of consciousness. He knew what was wrong to do and acted accordingly. Remember when Leonidas said: "Remember this day, men, for it will be yours for all time!"? It means that our bodies are temporary, but our actions will last as long as the human species exists. And if our actions are aligned with the highest possible good, maybe even our names and thoughts will be remembered tens of thousands years into the future.
@@ThorOdinson1269It seems very likely that Socrates was complicit in the Rule of the Thirty Tyrants, and that he was actually tried and killed as a traitor of Athens and of democracy: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LrUzRrGQZyA.html Not for being "a hoity toity bad mouth philosopher".
It’s heartbreaking that the majority voted for the death of that marvelous mind. The cowards. Thank you for modernizing Socrates words for my simple mind - this is a real treasure.
I never knew what “corrupting the youth of Athens” was until now. I think it means “young people are using annoying rhetoric to talk back to their parents, and these kids learned this rhetoric from Socrates”.
Corrupting the youth means being a bad influence to them on a public scale. For society to maintain cohesion, morals, beliefs, customs and practices must be passed on from parents to children. There may be bad things being passed on that need change, but in this context we're talking about all the good things that prevent people from degenerating into insaciable beasts and brutes. This is why it's important to promote the passing on of these values accross generations, and to be accused of corrupting the youth is equivalent of being public enemy #1, of promoting societal collapse. You're essentially betraying everyone you grew up with. The irony is that the true corruptors are Socrates' accusers. He's being killed by the very society he's trying to save. Check out memetic scapegoating. It's what's going on here.
One thing it meant was a suspicion they would be pro-tyrrant. Socrates had two great supporters ans students Alcibiades and another who was one of 30 tyrrantd of Greece imposed by Sparta to Athens and stopping Athenian democracy which harmed athens. He did not deny any students and prtially was thought guilty by association. Also because he questioned everything so the two could make the image of someone who would lead to those students of his who harmed Athens.
Thank you for making this in modern language and simplified manner. Even for a teenager can understand. Am 31..i wish I learned about this speech earlier. I pray to God you and your family be blessed.
My mother and I do not have a good relationship. She said to me about a month ago, the last time we spoke, "Why do you always have to talk about **virtue?** Why can't you talk about fun things?" But hearing Socrates say, "I believe the greatest good is to discuss virtue everyday," it feels weird that I can really connect with someone who lived over 2000 years ago. He was wise beyond hundreds of centuries.
This was such a fantastic rewording. You can get a sense of Socrates' personality, and why he must have really annoyed those accusing him. I look forward to hearing more of these 'modernized' speeches from historical figures.
Agreed. He speaks in a really "light" manner. Like he borrowed the parlance of the children at the time occasionally. Lol like a 50 y/o using "fleek" or "yeet". 😂
This was a well constructed depiction of the trial of Socrates. It brakes my heart to know that the words of ignorant people have lead to the demise of so many wise individuals. While Socrates was a wise man and he brought about the idea of rational inquiry he was also a cautionary tale. If corruption goes unchecked and the public gives in to the easy way of blind obedience without the light of Socratic Inquiry to judge weather in idea is moral or not then history will continue to repeat itself and we will never truly be the best versions of ourselves.
Very interesting. I feel like the view that death should not be feared and life should be lived as best as possible is one that resonates strongly with me. Thank you.
Well done. True to the original. Socrates last statements, especially very last, is pure brutal honesty. His last request turns the tables on those who sentenced him to death .... IMHO, he has the last laugh.
Socrates had perception and spoke the truth. Socrates could see the world truthfully. And, even more rare, Socrates could see himself truthfully. It’s difficult to have perception without truth. It’s equally difficult to see the truth when it’s painful to see. People tend to avoid pain. People would rather lie to themselves than accept a painful truth. A lie is easy. Accepting the truth, no matter how painful, is courageous, which is an uncommon virtue. Given these virtues, Socrates is a one in a hundred billion people.
It really is. But to be fair, Plato probably wrote the 'Apology' a little while after Socrates' trial, probably drawing on his memory and maybe paraphrasing some parts.
Did you rewrite this yourself? Translate it? Is the autor and narrator the same person? It it possible to get this text in script? Or script in text? Whatever. However many or few you are, I'm impressed and delighted (see my other comment, not to be repeated here).
I didn't expect this to be so wonderful and enlightening. Reading some ancient text like the writings of Cicero in a direct translation leaves one distracted by the style and diction and missing so much. I just learned this now, and I'm so grateful.
Ah yes. Cicero's Letters to his son. Another old blowhard know all. Its a pity he kept copies of the letters. If I were his son I know what I would have done with them.
Interestingly in the beginning I got a bit annoyed by his "clever" ways of proving things, but later his speech teared my eyes in the face of his honesty and courage to speak truth to power.
Oh how I love this man. His death was one of humanity’s greatest tragedies, yet the way he faced it was the most profound and lasting proof of the truths he discovered and professed. How much today we need his love of the truth and the courage to defend it.
It seems very likely that Socrates was complicit in the Rule of the Thirty Tyrants, and that he was actually tried and killed as a traitor of Athens and of democracy: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LrUzRrGQZyA.html
An important detail goes unresolved! I believe the manner how he was corrupting the youth was related to the participation in the Eleusian mysteries about it was forbidden under just that penalty of death to 'advertise' about! How did Socrates openly talk about the mysteries you ask? Think about the allegory of the cave as a description of part of the initiation at the Demeter temple- the initiates went down into the underground 'church' (compare to the Mitras and early Christians cults) and after participating jn the psychedelic eucharist (kykeon) they came out of the cave with the dimensional expansion active, eager to tell the uninitiated back in the Athenian cave Matrix (those that were never reborn in the spirit (Shamanic imperative John 3:7). Funny effectively in this case Socrates was yet another 'prototype ' for the prophet of the holy water we now may believe was one son of God or YesUs. The countless crucifixions and pharmacratic inquisitions have hidden truth well enough for some, but who God calls with Gnosis - rises to see!
Thank you for this special gift today. It shines an extra light in my mind. It was a very illuminating modern version of the final argument of this source of wisdom.
Well done! I’m pretty persnickety when it comes to Socrates. It might be mentioned that they didn’t have prisons; death or banishment was the only choice.
Did you know that he was likely complicit in the Rule of the Thirty Tyrants? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LrUzRrGQZyA.html He was tried for being a traitor to Athens and a traitor to democracy; not for being "a hoity toity bad mouth philosopher".
Shamanism is all about breaking down ego barriers and giving your charges the tools to think critically . Give a man a fish, eat for a day, teach a man to fish... Socrates and Matt are one in the same. Anyone reading this from the cast, stay true to path and seek wisdom always.
I have often been at odds with modern philosophy. The more I learn about it's birth, the more I understand that they are like many. A misunderstanding by those who did not understand. I hope the best for all to understand better in the future.
Socrates Trial, in todays language, is so incredibly relevant to the point of emotional pain, to see that nothing has changed in human sociology for two thousand years.
This is an excellent concept for a RU-vid channel (I've just subscribed). This makes the unaccessible..... accessible. The content creator is in and of himself very wise indeed not to have cheapened the experience with tacky adverts interrupting. Adverts would be disrespectful of Socrates. I'm going to share this channel with people I know who will appreciate it.
It begs argument that even today the so-called public are eager to partake in attacking those who tell you that what has been stated and undertaken for so long is wrong and against your good. We the people have excelled at greed of short term while ignoring the greater good of your offspring of the Nation's future.
@@-justnoah-5330 Thanks for your feedback, I do appreciate it. However, I do tend to speak fast when I'm having an exciting chat with friends. Plus, a lot of people don't want to sit through a slow-paced lecture on RU-vid, so they end up speeding up the playback anyway. I think I've found a happy medium, but I am of course listening to feedback like yours.
This is truly outstanding. Thank you for sharing this, and showing just how far AI generated text and images have come in such a short time. Remarkable.
@@jeffkitson9565 the voice is 100% AI, almost no human alive can switch between a PERFECT English accent and a PERFECT American accent mid-sentence with zero transitional words. As far as the text, I can't be sure but there are some clear hallmarks of ChatGPT. The inclusion of phrases like "that's not really my scene" and other slang are too sporadic to be a intentional jokes and shouldn't appear at all if a human was writing this in genuine, serious earnest. It's exactly the kind of tonal mistake ChatGPT would make if you asked it to translate Socrates to modern vernacular. Lastly, the images are very obviously AI, likely produced by Stable Diffusion based on the style. I can't really articulate why, but anyone who has produced hundreds or thousands of images with Stable Diffusion will agree that these were not made by humans. All in all, you just learn to spot the nuanced giveaways that betray content as being made by AI. One day it will be indistinguishable, but luckily we're not there yet.
@@jeffkitson9565 The voice reminds me of one I heard from eleven labs AI. I would guess the images, translation and voice were all done by AI, but could be wrong.
Wow. My mind craves narratives on this level. Wonderful production thank you. I viewed a youtube lecture today that raised questions of the whether Socrates was real or not. Whether real or not, what is written in his name is thought provoking.
I'm deeply touch by how this history being explain .Legendary Lore you did a fantastic job, I praise you for that thank you Legendary Lore for taking your time for all this.
@@user-kj2kq4es4h Trust me when I tell you that it’s already near impossible to tell the difference. And I’m not just talking about voice models. Entire user profile, entire websites, generated by AI and with no obvious flaws, only barely noticeable inconsistencies. And these models can manipulate search results.
Main takeaway for me ... "From virtue flows prosperity of state". Very true. Same as As you sow so shall you reap. This notion is universal, in all religions. I am in India. At the time of King Rama almost everyone was very virtuous, and history knows there was great prosperity. I see similarities between Socrates and Christ in what society did to them. Foolish people.
It's wishful thinking. A good thing for people to believe, in hopes to motivate them to do good. But growth inevitably works through corruption and capitalism
I’m also Indian and I don’t understand why you equate history - in this case Socrates, a real living and breathing human being - with mythology. The whole ‘Ram Rajya’ concept is an imaginative exploration of what an ideal society looks like. Unfortunately, that falls apart upon any close and logical explanation, the treatment of women and the patriarchal interpretation of virtuosity, exemplified by the treatment meted out to Sita by no less than Ram himself. The true signifier of wisdom is an ability to examine an issue from every possible angle even if it’s uncomfortable and be honest enough to state the same. That’s what Socrates would’ve done and how people should live their lives - with a little integrity.
Somewhat. Capitalism does lead to overall growth. Of course, very disproportionately. But for individuals, the richest and most powerful are often and not coincidentally very corrupt, from politicians to religious leaders @@Lyu-Phy
I lived this translation. I hope teachers who cover Socrates as I did when I taught find and use this to assist younglings in understanding Socrates' trial.
The Buddha was 100 years earlier in India, Socrates beliefs and thoughts seem parallel with many other perennial wisdom masters. Listening to this version of his speech and looking at the events unfolding in our time illustrates what the great philosopher Snake Plisken said “The more things change the more they stay the same”. Twenty four hundred years have passed and the human condition remains unchanged. Another great philosopher Albert Einstein said “Our technology is overrunning our humanity”. I wonder if the human race will ever really wake up and live by the words Socrates spoke or if we are eternally doomed to repeat events in perpetuity.
Hmmm... I think I preferred Plato's original... even in translation the language is far more elegant. Call me old-fashioned, if you must... could be 'cause I'm old! 😉
I have a feeling that Socrates didn't have much of a taste for elegance in language, it's my understanding that the only elegance he considered worthy was that of being honest and truthful. most societies consider such integrity to be a lack of elegance !
@@ottodidakt3069 It's true that Socrates, very modestly, did not consider himself to be an elegant speaker, but rather, as you say, an honest one. But what you, and perhaps even he, considered his 'lack of elegance' actually consisted in a lack of elaboration, which, imho, actually made his 'simple, honest and direct speech', far more elegant than those poets who adorn their speeches with unnecessary and flowery elaborations. Beauty, after all, is not only in the eye of the beholder, but also in his/her ear, too. I'm sure he would have avoided using most of the 'cool-sounding' phraseology of modern times, in favour of plain language. In short, elegance, imho, is more about simplicity than elaboration.
Lazy and dumb people need everything updated for them. I'm never letting my kids listen to this. It's like when people complain about the plays of Shakespeare or the King James Bible being too old fashioned. IT'S NOT THAT HARD. Show a little effort you degenerates.
Thank you so much for this great video! Socrates’ prophecy has come true - Jon Stewart, #GeorgeCarlin, #JerrySeinfeld, & many more! May we become as Socrates & rise up in this time! Engage!
Jesus instructed his disciples to be wise as serpents and as harmless as a dove. Are you wise as a serpent? What do u b leeve is best future energy source? How does the Jedi mind trick work? Ask a family member how they would vote if on jury at Socrates trial. You might be surprised. Tell them what the charges were.
Wow! It was marvelous! I'm 76 and am ill. I am forced to have to contemplate death among other things. This presentation by Socrates was thought proving and inspirational for anyone regardless of age.
His (Socrates) words could also have been expressed by Jesus at his trial where he had no opportunity to defend or express himself. This applies 100% to Jesus as well. Also, this clearly explains to me what Socrates was about. I so much appreciate that.
Jesus claimed to be God, which was the reason for his sentence. Socrates clearly stated that he was just a man (26:07). So no, it doesn't apply at all.
@@Anon1gh3not entirely true. Jesus was sentenced due to being regarded as the "King of the Jews". That's the reason he was tried and sentenced. He was in direct contradiction with Roman law. Him claiming to be god was frowned upon but it was seen as the ramblings of a mad man (by the Romans, not the Jews or others) But yes, I agree that Jesus and Socrates can't be compared at all.
@@divanbuys1484 False again. The Romans would not have approved this title with the plaque if they sentenced him for it. That's a total contradiction. Furthermore, Jesus never called himself this title but it was ascribed to him. The Romans would not punish him for something he didn't do.
@@divanbuys1484 For clarity, the response "it is as you say" means the Emperor made that determination. Another way of saying "What you say goes". On the other hand, the pharisees, who shouted out for his condemnation, very clearly stated their reason for this - because he repeatedly claimed to be God. E.g. John 8:58-59 and John 10:33.
@@Anon1gh3 let me, who studies history for a living, explain to you why Romans crucified in the first place. It was overwhelmingly done for political enemies or "enemies of the state". Regardless if Jesus himself called himself the king of the Jews, this title bestowed upon him was nonetheless a threat politically to the Romans. This was following his outbursts at tax collectors at the temple. Sure, the Jews were the ones who insisted that Jesus be punished, for them it was religious in nature, but for the Romans it was political.
Socrates was Plato's teacher, who was Aristotle's teacher, who was Alexander the Great's teacher. So Alexander got the best teaching a person could ever have
And then he went off to conquer the world as far as he could get. Doubtless the dead and bereaved and ruined left by that expedition were eternally grateful for the teachings of old Soc.
This is as relevant now as it was then. The enlightened criticize those too absorbed in temporary gains out of compassion to enlighten them. But they are misunderstood by those blinded by material wealth and power. We may progress in many ways, but as humans we don't change.
Socrates encapsulated: "I don't need to know the truth to know/demonstrate that you don't know it either." But knowing that something is NOT truth is, itself, a kind of knowledge. Isn't it? Plato's Socrates does a good job defending himself. It's difficult to imagine a better argument. Even if it was the best argument possible, that doesn't matter nearly as much as the critical thinking skills of the jury. Remember, Plato has shown us (in his 'Republic') that his ideal government is run by a benevolent dictator/tyrant -- a philosopher king. So it's in Plato's interests to portray the jury as 'getting it wrong'. I certainly wouldn't fancy my odds defending myself vs. that same jury. And all juries have the potential of getting it wrong...even radically wrong. And while a 'benevolent dictator/tyrant philosopher king' may sound appealing in theory, such a creature seems to exist in the real world in the way 'frictionless planes' do in physics -- certainly has value in analyzing and thinking about, but still... I don't believe I ever realized until now just how much Achilles did LOOK like a coward who sent someone else to battle wearing his own armor. And being thought of as a coward would have probably been a fate worse than death for someone believed by so many to be a hero 'demigod'. So Socrates doesn't want to be remembered as a coward. Achilles was the patron saint of the Greek warriors. And Socrates was the patron saint of philosophers. Athena was the patron goddess of Athens. A quick google search shows her attributes as "warfare and wisdom as well as handicraft, courage, inspiration, civilization, law and justice, strategic warfare, mathematics, strength, strategy, the arts, and skill" ('techne'). Why didn't she save Socrates?!!!? It seems to me that they could use that to justify, after the fact, their execution of him. Obviously, we'd say it's because Athena doesn't exist. But that'd land you on trial after Socrates. Or perhaps she did intervene! Perhaps she intervened to cause his 'esse' to be saved...for us. Would we be talking about him ~2400 years later if he didn't go out with such verve/panache?
The algorythm in its cryptic wisdom has just fed me this video today and it is immediately apparent that this will become a favourite channel. I will now let the account of Vesuvius' detonation upon the Romans lull me to sleep, please keep uploading, Loremaster.
Plato's text has been translated in English several times for over a century in plain English ,and is not in the least difficult to understand. Whereas this condensed 'modernized' version presented here makes Socrates sound juvenile, simple, and does not reflect his character in the least. The most fluid translation by Benjamin Jowett, which appears in the Harvard Classics, is not Old English but English translated with a flow & rhythm that is easily understood, and Socrates' words are more easily read and remembered thanks to this translation,. Many folks have and will listen to this video that never would have picked up Plato's "Apology", and this is very good. But I would say, if this video piques an interest in Socrates, do not be afraid to read a full translation. You will be moved with an even higher respect, for the man, his thoughts and the times in which he lived.
Wow... I don't think I have every seen such a clear translation. The language is a little "Gen Z" with words like "Haters" but it is very clear and understandable. Keep this stuff up, it is amazing!
Absolutely Sensational! Just made me realize how much energy I usually waste on just deciphering the text, instead of focusing on the true content. Would really love to hear Homers Illiad in a modernized version like this!! It’s claimed to be the main inspiration of Alexander III. But the way it’s written its just tedious to read ...
Excellent work and thank you for your effort in introducing to the public one of the greatest minds in human history. I was born and raised in Athens. During our high school years we studied Plato's Apology in order to learn the grammar and syntax of the Attic dialect spoken by the Athenians in Socrates era. Once I had a hard argument with the teacher that the process of analyzing the structure of the language to an unnecessary depth was in fact leading us away from the beautiful and profoundly useful contents of this epic speech. In response he called me an "Athenian heretic". I loved the name and kept it ever since. The original book from my high school years is still in my library in my house. It is the only one I kept. At the moment I am 63 years old and live in the Cayman Islands visiting my home and beloved Athens every year. Your channel deserves millions of subscriptions.
He wasnt a rock star wholly owned by his corporate backers, he wasnt a musician, he was highly educated He wasnt a punk but adopted a life of public simplicity and high moral integrity and fearless who was put on trial by his local deep state and executed slowly in front of his friends..... At no point does your claim hold up
This is great! Please make more! What about Alcabiades 1 perhaps? And as some comments already suggested, if you want to really give viewers the opportunity to wrestle with the depth of the dialogue, perhaps a little slower in speech would be great. Thanks for this again!
I slowed it to 0.75x because it was too fast for me and I usually speed up YT to 1.2x or 1.5x. Slower would definitely be good. Having slowed the video, I realise you sometimes don't leave enough time between sentences or commas for us to take in the content. It's great content! Breathe. And thank you for the hard work putting this together, sorry for the criticism. Really appreciated listening to this and I'm glad it's out there 🤝
The spirit of Meletus twists unabated through history. Reverence, emerging to gather round new order a protective cloak, slowly turning to the service of the banal inheritors of orders of yesterday.
