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I was raised 20 miles from Fátima and it always made me wonder why there were so many people, including several journalists and photographers and still no picture, no report of a miracle. Everything was established after the supposed event. Today, there's a gigantic sanctuary, a big money maker for the church. This is the real reason why Fátima is a thing.
@@waveman0 To be fair, the institutionalization of the "miracle" was a product of fearmongering about Communism and Atheism first; then, it became a cash cow for Catholic Church.
You should pay it a visit put a few signes around saying looking at bright lights makes you see moving ball or balls of light it's called a hallucination also known as a optical illusion
That's literally what it is. It's called photo bleaching of the retina. Stare at a light source long enough, and an inverted imprint of the light source will stay in your vision, so that the object goes wherever you look. You can do it at home. Stare at a light bulb filament for a minute and look away. You'll see the filament "dance around" wherever you look.
When I was a little kid, my mother told me not to stare into the sun, so once when I was six I did. The doctors didn't know if my eyes would ever heal. I was terrified, alone in that darkness. Slowly, daylight crept in through the bandages, and I could see. But something else had changed inside of me. That day I had my first headache.
You think a 100 year old camera can take a photo of the sun? There was no team of scientist with sophisticated equipment. It was in a small village with some people from the local paper
@@diojiabunai Careful, after eating some, I "felt the presence of God" which led me to be a theist for a few years, and I may still be if I hadn't taken a college level psychology class where I learned that "religious experiences" could be stimulated by "tickling" a certain part of the brain with a small electric current. Once I had a natural explanation for my experience, I reverted to being "agnostic" again.
Reminds me of MAGA trumpers.....but that's basically a religion these days...especially in my area. They have abandoned Jesus and taken Donald Trump as their "Lord and Savior" (Lard ass savior?)
One of my favorite quotes from any movie is from Men in Black. Will Smith's character claims that "People are smart" Tommy Lee Jones character says "A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals, and you know it. Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow." Forgetting the bit about the aliens, this hit me hard as a kid. A group of people can be convinced of anything. The more people you get in on hysteria, the faster it grows.
This is so true. And yet what was it that provoked people to improve their understanding of the universe against the popular preconceptions. Hint it wasn't god.
The claim that ancient people all thought the earth was flat is incorrect. Some thought it was flat without a doubt, but many also knew it was in fact round. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out when you watch ships become obscured by the horizon from the bottom up. Many ancient structures demonstrate very sophisticated math as well, so they can easily calculate the geometry of the planet the same way Arotostenes did in ancient greece.
That's pretty much why Theists always want control of education: If you're the only one in the neighbourhood that believes insane religious nonsense, then you're a weirdo; But if *everyone* in your neighbourhood believes as you do, then it is "common sense".
As a child, i remember occasionally looking directly at the sun(Disclaimer, don't do that, it's harmful to your eyes). I remember vividly that every time i did it, the sun burned a spotlight into the part of the vision it was in. When i looked around the rest of the sky, trying to catch that spot, the sun would leave more of a trail, almost appearing as if it was dancing. This whole experience just sounds like people staring at the sun and messing up their eyes to me.
My thought exactly. The people in those clips are partially wearing sunglasses, but even that isn't enough to help. Odds are, everyone there did some permanent eye damage staring at the sun believing it was some miracle happening which is beyond hilarious.
Oh, that is the exacttly my experience with the light bulbs! lol As a 6 y.o. child, I liked to look at the lightbulb to see its core with the wire springs, and after like 20 sec of watching I would see the tiny multicolored "sun" dancing around, I could "play" with it by moving my eyes slowly, yet I knew it depended only on my eyesight, and on my eyes movement. I was simply into researching everything around me, no magic thinking. It's shocking to me that some people would view this little phenomenon as "a god's miracle"!
so true. the chance that someone who is able to fulfill the request will read a letter to santa is much, much higher than the chance that someone listens in on the prayers from a prayer group. and it's usually much more difficult to find whatever the prayer group wants at a toy store.
Well, you listen here, our lord tells us in John 10:27 goes like this: 'My sheep, they hear my voice, an’ I know 'em, an’ they follow me.' Now, if it ain't workin' for ya, maybe it’s 'bout time to listen a little closer, ‘cause He’s always speakin’, just gotta tune in, ya know?" Sometimes, it helps to spend quiet time in prayer do a little reflection to better hear His call.
You have to be good at make-believe for that to work.😂 But all jokes aside, Always remember, your parents, like most believers, have been indoctrinated into these delusions since early childhood, it's difficult to accept a truth you've been conditioned to deny all your life
When i was child my parents tells me that my friend bob dont exist coz noone can se him. And right after that to go dress up for church we need to speek to their friend there that noone can see but He definetly exist. Hmm somethinks dont add up
@@skeevecipher7588 The situation you described highlights a common paradox or inconsistency in how we understand the existence of unseen entities. In the case of your friend Bob, your parents may have dismissed his existence because he was not physically present or visible to them. However, when it comes to religious beliefs, such as the existence of Jesus, faith plays a significant role in accepting the existence of a higher power or spiritual being that is not physically visible. It also highlights the complexities of faith, spirituality, and the unseen aspects of existence that may not be easily explained or understood through conventional means.
Miracles are just people wishing supernatural events really happened and then believing in them when their friend's brother's uncle's neighbour's second wife saw something.
@@MyOldName Half brothers are a thing you know. Ever watch the old TV western Bonanza? All 3 sons were brothers of different mothers, so they should have had some different uncles.
@@user-gl5dq2dg1j My only experience with half siblings has them all collectively treating relatives as their own, but that's just one family, I s'pose
God works in mysterious ways, dude! 🙊🙉🙈 Ha ha haaaaaa. If he has the power of making the sun move, why doesn't he use such power for something useful? Like stopping so much suffering, poverty and stupid wars?? The god delusion. Right?? 😖😖
The thing you have to realise is that supposedly god does have the power to fix all that. But he won't. He had the power to create all those evil things in the first place. He could have not made them and the world be a much greater place but he had to bring all the pain, wars, death and disasters into the world in order to entertain himself with our suffering. Even if there was a god he does not deserve out belief in him.
@@amandarhodes4072 the thing you have to realise is. Hippitye Hoopla. It's all meaningless words. Which god is good did one god create the other gods. Why did Jesus a man replace the one true god of Hebrews?
So other people should have his voice? That would be weird though, then it would be hard to tell if it was the real Aron Ra or someone who only sounds like him. 🤔 I prefer his voice being unique.
@@fentonpeter1582 Even Ken Ham going from Australia to America. America has a lot more creationists than Australia does, you'd think Australia is where more work would be needed.
When I faked it I used a french accent. And came up with as many fake words as I could. No one believes that "NA NA NA" is a real language. My fathers fake words were mostly saying the word shit. I chuckled to myself hearing it.
I was actually elated when I was "touched by the Spirit". Religion and spirituality affect the pleasure centers of the brain, much like jogging, meditation, or even some drugs. I realize now that the spirit feeling is all just your brain's happy button being pushed. Let the good times roll!😅
I remember going to church with my grandmother when I was a kid. What the pastor said seemed so rediculous. I looked around at the adults nodding along and thought there's no way they can possibly believe it
Evolution has programmed us to trust our senses absolutely. Historically, that flicker at the corner of our eye was a tiger about to jump on us. Even if we ran away from nothing 100% of the time, we only had to disregard it and be wrong once.
@@kevinwebster7868 That's why we normally ask for DNA samples of the rape or more evidence usually but yes in old times they hang you for even murder faster and later people where astonished when the supposedly victim returned read about "Campden Wonder" or all the many "Wrongful execution" with witnesses that exist.
I was born and raised in Spain, a traditionally catholic country (but not anymore). I am very familiar with all the so called ‘miracles’ such as those at Fátima and Lourdes. They are nothing but the wishful thinking and expectations of a bunch of illiterate, gullible, über religious, fanatical, backward and/or desperate people willing to see something, anything. It would only take a handful of them saying they saw something for the rest to follow and say they did, too. They would not want to appear less religious or fortunate than the ‘witnesses’. It must also be said that these two sites soon became very profitable for the Church from the first moment and they are strong touristic attractions even in our days, although NONE of the supposedly miraculous cures have been proven. Update: I was watching a video called ‘The unhingering of Unsolved Mysteries’ by Alicia Quinn. At 42:11 she talks about the segment in which people affirmed seeing angels and the Sun doing strange things after looking at it for several minutes. Duh!
I read about this incident in the early 2000s and it was because of a more recent story about people getting hospitalized for retina damage because someone promised another Fatima was nigh.
I watched a documentary on Loc Ness years ago, in it some people did an experiment and asked a group of people at the lake to watch the experiment and report what they saw. The experiment involved a straight pole/post that was anchored under the water on a pivot and when someone off to the side pulled on a rope that ran under the water to the pole it stood up out of the water. The people who were asked to watch the experiment all reported seeing a straight pole. However, there were some people nearby who had not been told about the experiment and were not originally part of the test. They came up to the group all excited that they had seen a head and neck emerge from the water. The ones doing the test found this unexpected group and what they reported seeing very interesting. People will see what they want/expect to see.
@@dissturbbed I have lots of sun photos taken with my telescope and solar filter. Can see some prominent sunspots and solar flares. And I see the sun move across the sky just as it does every other day, from east to west. Took lots of sun pictures during the last total eclipse.
Surgeons fixed her up oh no they didn't it was god guiding the surgeons hands. I've heard christians tell me this so I reply "so if you need surgery the janitor can do it cos ya know, his hands will be guided"
I love that in two of the photos (one claiming to document the event) the lighting on all of the people is coming from the left side. If the "sun" was where the image "shows" it to be, from the perspective of the camera, ALL of those people would be in shadow, and none of them would be side-lit.
Another supposed prophecy of Fatima by the Virgin Mary was that if the Pope consecrated Russia to her immaculate heart, that there would be peace on Earth. The Popes have since done this several times, to no avail, leading many traditional Catholics to say that they just didn't do it right.
If the sun had actually moved around in the sky every person on the sunlit side of the earth (including thousands of solar astronomers) would have seen it. It wouldn’t just be people in Fatima. Everyone on the daylit side of the earth would have seen it.
My great grandmother was born and raised in Caniçal, a small place near Fátima, back in the XIX century. She was a pious woman and in her mid twenties when the so called miracle occurred and the three pastors claimed to have seen the virgin. To cut a long story short, moved by her "faith" she went down there to "Cova da Iria" on October 13th, 1917. There she saw the huge crow looking at the sky, pointing to the Sun and shouting "Miracle", "Miracle", and to her big disappointment, she saw nothing! Nothing at all! She lived to 100 and one thing she used to do, was to call me in a whisper, in her birthday or in Christmas Eve, while she was sitting in the living room, and ask me if I was a believer. I had my high school graduation in Salesianos do Estoril, and she was kind of relieved every time I told her that I was not a believer and did not believe there was a god. She always said: You're right! And smile to herself... She completed the advice with "But mostly, you must never believe in Fátima because it's all a fake! It's a money making machine."
This believer, claiming only atheists make up " facts" to suit themselves and their claims, is describing himself, but at the same time, he's projecting his behavior onto atheists.
Good point! I was in Bosnia (courtesy of the US Army) in the 90's and if a town can make some money from "miracle tourism" why not? I saw the roofs of war damaged homes propped up with rusted/totaled cars sat on edge! 😲Whatever helps your family recover financially from that situation, milk it for what it's worth! Why should Ken Ham have all the fun bilking the gullible? Sidenote the sun in that video that was "spinning" looked pretty solid & stable to me. Is my computer monitor an atheist? 🤨
To think of the absolute human depravity and atrocities caused by the Judeo-Abrahamic superstations and the madness they have inflicted on humanity over the course of history - is just unfathomable.
I got sneered at a church when I was guilt tripped into going with my cousin. They were doing their nonsense, touch healing, falling back to be caught bit. I sat in a side room with a view of the stage with my cousin. I sniggered the first time someone did a quick take to make sure the people behind were close enough to catch him before falling back. Then my aunt went up. She's always been the greedy, selfish, adulterous, vain, lying, deceptive, divisive, drug abuser that would steal from you and then help you look for the thing knowing it was in her purse. One of the WORST people I've ever known. Drug abuse permafried her brain and she's full schizophrenic now. She did two or three look backs before falling back as they did their hands up stage act praising yell speak. I laughed out loud and everyone looked back at me angry. It made me laugh more.
I think anyone who doesn't grow up with "healing services" will be half-deconstructed after simply attending one. This kind of service is not a Christian universal. Many have never been to one. Even at its best, without the kinds of things you mention, these kinds of services are clearly the Church of the Holy Quid Pro Quo where one has faith and expects A Miracle Cure from whatever real aliments they have. A faith so obviously transactional ("cure me and I will believe") ought to disturb any Christian whose faith is not based on such an obviously self-interested protocol.
Sounds like a cult to me and not true Christians at all. Look... the majority of true born again Christians just live their daily lives with God in it, they preach the gospel (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) to spread the word so that people can get saved if they choose to and pretty much that is it. I know this because that is how I live my life as a true born again Christian, I don't even go to church because I am an introverted personally and large groups of people make me uncomfortable, so I do my best to avoid people most of the time and watch bible study videos online as my church instead, of course I'm not against going to church it's just not something that is for me. But the church that I used to go to before I decided to leave due to how I was feeling due to my introvert personality issues did not behave in the manner that you described because my former church was not a cult.
Back in my childhood I used to go and play in the playground at the local church's yard. One day I decided maybe I would attend a mass, they were doing the falling stuffs too. There's this very big man that constantly looked backwards and when he eventually fell, they couldn't hold him back and he end up caved in the floor. I laughed so hard they chased me off, I then get banned for weeks from the place. I never bothered with the church stuffs 🧐 ever again.
Hang on a second. So the "miracle" is that people stare at the sun for a while, then it begins to change color, dances across the sky, and appears closer than other things they looked at? THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU STARE AT THE SUN, OR ANY OTHER BRIGHT LIGHT! The cells in the retina over-saturate and so the apparent color will change. And then that persists on that portion of the retina - so as your eyes move, it moves, even if you dont realize you are moving your eyes. And then when you look at anything else, that 'object' appears closer because it is superimposed over whatever else you are looking at. You'll see it even if you close your eyes. You can have this same miracle today, just by telling people to stare at the sun for a while, as long as they don't know how the eyes react to doing that.
The witness all state they could look directly into the sun without the least discomfort. It was like looking at the moon. So there’s no comparison to what your talking about
In Denmark we talk about "Seeing the Sun dance at Pentecost", by which we mean staying up all night partying (the day after is a national holiday), and then going out to watch the Sun come up (by which time EVERYTHING dances, if you have done your partying right). It sprang, no doubt, from a religious tradition, but now it's entirely secular, and not considered a miracle at all :D
Fun fact, I actually chose my name at the sacrament of confirmation ceremony after the seer from Lourdes, Bernadette. I was 13 years old but yikes. Thank goodness it's not my legal name lol.
The disrespect and nastiness from that emailer is astounding, especially when you were respectful to him and considered what he had to say. All while he threw insults and degraded the entire topic. If they are a child who doesnt know better, they violate the commandment on respecting their elders, and they are an exampme of why the commandment exists. If they are not a child, then they sire act like one.
Imagine what yout life would be like if you constantly "projected" every one of your faults, insecurities, biases, suspissions, fears, anxieties, and forbidden desires onto all those people you hate because you project your indoctrinated animosity onto them as well. Unfortunately, having been a dupped Christian at one point in my life, I've experienced that psychological nightmare for myself.
Projection in a nutshell: If you hate yourself, you'll hate everyone else. Self loathing is at the heart of Christianity. I'm glad you could shed those chains and learn to love yourself for the beautiful and healthy person you truly are😊
And all that starts being pushed on to the youth while young. It's blatant child abuse. I was raised somewhat religious. The path to my Atheism wasn't very arduous. But for you and many others, it was more than arduous and most likely downright hellish. You all have my respect and sympathy. I like hearing the stories of atheists who were once religious, I feel a lot of wisdom,insight,and knowledge could be gained.
That kind of projection is what they are talking about when they say ignorance is bliss. So I can only imagine that it feels quite good to be so stoopid.
As for prophecies , What decade within history has there never been death and destruction either by warfare , natural disasters and/or disease somewhere in the world
Aron's theory of ball lightning is most valid, IMHO afa that one video of the "Sun" coming down into the trees and dancing around. When my brother was very young, some ball lightning flew in thru one window, across the room, and out another window. It behaves like a flying, electric Superball. If it touches you, naturally, you are toast!😮
@@kinglyzardThe description of the sun changing color, moving, and being superimposed over nearby things also describes the afterimage effect. You experience it whenever staring at any bright light, including the sun.
Or check the water source. Datura grows in the region and is a strong hallucination plant and if the flowers or leaves contaminated the water people used to make food and drink then a collective psychosis is totally understandable.
@@natelincolnpeople in my mom's village used to drink a lot of mushrooms tea every new year's eve back in the 50s. The local government office end up with letters and reports about all sort of black magic fuckery from that village.
can you imagine if this actually happened. The entire solar system would likely have been destroyed. For the sun to dart around the sky as accounted by the witness' it would have had to rapidly travel millions of miles through space. This would totally wreck the orbits of everything in the solar system. The stuff further in would have been disturbed the most but even the oort cloud would not escape being affected by such an event. If it was actually the earth that darted about to create the spectacle there would have been tsunamis, earthquakes and mass destruction the world over
A bunch of superstitious people who wanted to see a miracle stared at the sun for several hours in a row, some of them saw strange green and red lights others heard voices and others saw the Holy Mary? These people went to see a miracle and came back thinking they had seen a miracle because they would not accept otherwise.
If you read the various prophets in the Bible, they nearly always go off into the desert and fast and deprive themselves of sleep for days. And then, apparently, "God" talks to them. Funny that. Can't possibly be hallucinations.
Mass delusion, it's the only explanation. A bunch of religious types gathered to see a miracle and stare at the sun. All it would take is one person who either thought they saw some movement or someone who wanted to be the first to 'see' something. Then others would sure to follow, thinking they see some kind of movement where there is none. And yes those kinds of delusions do happen we have literally confirmed them via a whole sortment of different tests. But even if we are overly generous and say that they actually saw something, it can still be nothing but a mass delusion. We have one sun, for the entire planet. If such an event actually took place it would be seen by half the world and not limited to around one church. If the sun were dancing around in the sky everyone would see it, yes everyone as the sun is what causes the shadows and they would be dancing around too. One might miss the sun moving around as they likely wouldn't be staring at the sun but they won't miss the shadows moving around. So the best that these people can argue is that god caused a mass delusion. Even if we grant that all 70,000 people saw something.
Your son is the perfect cast for this episode! Haha I am a former catholic priest and I dealt with believers like this, even in those times I never believed Fatima. What a joke!
its weird how this only happened in portugal. why not across the hemosphere. if something crazy happened to the sun it would be seen by hundreds of millions of people. if only a certain location saw it i would first think its something tp do with that area or those people.
It's a pretty interesting coincidence that I watched this right after finishing an episode of Legion that ended with a line to the effect of: _"People don't believe what they see. They see what they believe."_
A couple of thoughts - First, reading up on the 3 children, they sound as if they were seriously disturbed well before their first vision. They were frequently punishing themselves in "penance" by doing things such as denying themselves water for days at a time, or only drinking dirty water from the laundry. I don't know what kind of psychological phenomenon that is but I'm sure it's serious and NOT representative of some kind of saintly attitude. I also wonder what effect dirty water might have had on their health, and whether it may have affected their perception, perhaps have even led to hallucinations. Second, 1917 was the height of WW1. 1910 saw the overthrow of the monarchy and by 1926 a military dictatorship was in place. During those 16 years Portugal faced constant political turmoil, economic struggle and entered WW1 against the will of a majority of the people. 1917-18 saw a 2 year dictatorship under Sidonio Pais, who leaned towards a fascist approach, seriously cracked down on unions, and allied himself with the Catholic Church. During periods of turmoil like this I believe it is more common for "group think" to take hold, especially when it expresses a powerful political/social concern of the moment. In this case it was a revival of "traditional values" of the Catholic Church. This sort of phenomenon is not unusual. For example the rise of sightings of UFOs in the 1950s USA is tied to the fear associated with the Cold War, as well as anxiety about fast technological change. So we see 2 strands coming together, 3 children who were apparently psychologically disturbed, becoming the conduit for the expression of a culture/society that yearned for the security provided by its Catholic past. We will never know, but I can't help wondering what kind of suggestions were planted in the minds of these weak children by the adults around them, their families, their priests... Simple comments from these people, for example telling them about the lives of the saints (common subject of religious conversation) may have planted the seeds in their minds, the idea that they could have visions, the kinds of things they might see and hear. The children then give expression to this in the form of hallucinations. And this affirms to the community their hopes.
Thank you for addressing this Aaron. I recall reading about this nonsense when I was small and even back then I was "Huh?". Nothing but a $$$$ generator for the church.
Reminds me of the time thousands upon thousands showed up to "see" the image of a slain girl in the shadows cast on a blank billboard, in Chula Vista, CA, in 1991. Then, also, all the times I've heard someone, a sane someone, an otherwise well rounded and learned person, claim that they saw a ghost, or some fantastic "natural" phenomenon. People WANT to believe.
The likes were at 999. I thought that might be dangerous since if I had turned my laptop upside down it would have shown, well I don't even want to type it. So I pressed the like button to take you to 1,000. May you get many more. Thanks, as always, for the excellence of your content. I do think one factor here is that a movie was made of it. People have taken things shown therein as factual. It often happens.
Lady at 32:22 is Italian and the conversation goes: Him: Did you see the sun miracle? Her: Is this the sun miracle? Yes; it's not quite this one, the sun miracle that happened in Fatima it's been the sun moving closer to the people, it moved closer to all of the people, I experienced it here too. They both repeat "This is the sun miracle" at the end then he thanks her.
This guy is flipping out about this one event while ignoring that things like ice halos and sun dogs exist. While I can't say for sure that the event that happened in Fatima is either of these, they're just one of many things that our atmosphere can do to cause optical illusions.
Right? Id be infinitely more curious if an entire children's ward was cured of cancer over night at the same time.... of course I'd have to ask why he hasn't saved more of them but at least it'd be some sort of display
@@phantomstarsx9343 Even if god were real and this was his display of choice I wouldn't even be impressed. Like out of all of the things you COULD have done, he just did something that a 4 year old would do for entertainment if he had god-like powers. It wouldn't make him look like a god, it would just make him a cocky douchebag. "Yeah I could cure cancer all over overnight, but look at these fucking sick tricks I can do with the sun".
@@gagetaylor192 now don't tell anyone this but I can perform this miracle for anyone with the sun visible at any time instead of a specified time and date. It's very simple..... look at the sun without proper eye protection 🤫 Jokes aside that's what I find so funny about this. It doesn't need to be a miracle or even a weather phenomenon, i actually somewhat disagree with Aron, because I used to do the thing people tell you not to do: look at the sun. After a few seconds it looks like it changes colors because your eyes cant process that amount of light, blueish green with a black umbra, the umbra seems like it's moving creating an illusion that it's rotating. Like a disk. I think that's literally all people were seeing. It also creates an after image when you look away which can dart around. I did this years apart 4 or 5 times when I was younger.
@@phantomstarsx9343 Oh so like what can happen if you stare into any light for too long. Except on a much grander scale since people are staring at the sun.
The sun "pulsating" is just atmospheric scintillation I think, but, when the Sun appears to be spinning or moving when observed on Earth, it is usually an illusion created by various factors such as atmospheric effects (because the atmosphere is very turbulant), visual perception, or equipment used for viewing.
Your background was great. As a kid, I loved looking through kaleidoscopes, then as an adult, I tried a beer called kaleidoscope. It was my first experience with the hops they featured. I had to look at the label to see if they added grapefruit juice only to discover the flavour came from the hops alone.
A hypothesis about the "miracle of Fatima" that I heard of pointed out that the witnesses were staring an the sun, so their eyes would be dazzled. That alone would explain them seeing things, and then add in that they were primed to see a "miracle". It doesn't take a shared hallucination to explain this, so much as shared expectations.
Another thing I would have said is if you stare at the sun, your eyes will get tired in just a few seconds and your own body will try to steer them away (right before you start to go blind). To your abused eyes, this will look like the sun is moving around.
"You should learn something about psychiatry!" "I suggest you see a psychiatrist" That response by Aron had me spit my coffee laughing hysterically. That was ingenious! I always find it funny these "believers" get so angry and hostile when you question them.
In my penticostal church there was this lady who was a "prophetess" she spoke in tongues and everything....one day she started speaking in english, in an east european country, it was before the time of the internet and english, before they were ubiquitous...so she repeated the same phrase over and over again, as they do...She said and I quote "I am a goat, I am a goat" - Chappele should have seen that! So I had sores for biting my lips trying to not laugh... The thing is though we had an high school english teacher in our church. He tried to speak sense to her. It didnt work. She made her own church and continued with her new found love for english. ....another healer came to the same church, prayed for an old lady once to be healed of ...prostate cancer. When you have that much "material evidence",. or material... is hella´ hard to keep the faith ;)
I am Portuguese and i can tell you this is a cvlean cut of colective alucination event. Also no "trained observers" and the way they treated the 3 kids was abominable...
@@dissturbbed m8, i am from here.... and even religious people here think it was a mass delusion...we are much more interested on the 3rd secret that Lucia was IMPRISONED by the church begore she could say what it was.... probably something damaging for the vatican ;)
Aron! I love your videos. But may i share one of the pet-peeves of mine with you (that you are doing): When talking about the Sun, the Earth, etc.. about any spherical object, it is essential to say which parameter your are comparing when saying that something is "400 times larger". In here you were comparing the Sun and and Moon, and you meant to say that it is the radius (or the diameter) that is being compared. Because if one sphere has the radius 400 times larger than the radius of another sphere, then it is much more than 400 times larger, because it's a 3D object and the volume will grow by the cube of the radius. Sorry for being pedantic.
I love when people are being pedantic especially on educational vids like Aron's. From a quick google search, the sun's radius is about 109 times the radius of earth, so yes he was talking about radius. Using similarity comparisons, the cross sectional area is hence roughly 11,881 times that of earth, and volume about 1.3 million times. Just in case anyone needs the info or wondering about it after seeing the comment😂
the described situation reminds of how my eyes failed because of being exposed to strong light or sun's radiation at such situations to me sun not only spins and flies away from skies to wherever i'm looking at but also i tend to see multiple suns and yet even when i was a believer i have never considered it to be anything other than problem with my eyes
Aron, i have great respect for your ability to listen to people like this and still be somewhat polite and respectful. I know I would not be able to calmly retort to blatant lies and hypocritical statements.
Sounds like Ball Lightning to me, the guy even said the ground was very wet and muddy. Portugal and Spain have somewhat of a history with ball lightning. Whenever I hear these miracles I just remember the Jesus statue that was crying, and it turned out to be a broken sewer line... xD
Oh, this miracle. I saw a program about it in TV. In it they claimed that people saw the Sun spinning. As a kid, I thought "What would that look like? The Sun is really bright, you can barely look at it. How could you tell if it was spinning? If the Sun was actually spinning, it would look exactly the same."
I haven't ever seen ball lightning. My grandmother told me about a family member, I think my great aunt or something, that had. The story she told me was that this family member was visiting my grandparents and there was a lightning storm starting up. As soon as lightning struck she kinda freaked out and went running through the house making sure all the doors and windows where closed and locked. She was worried about electronics and wanted to stay away from the outer walls. She said it was because she didn't want ball lightning to get in. Because like you were talking about this "sun" going down through the trees she thought it could get into the house. Even though I haven't seen ball lightning myself and it seems to be a really rare event. It seems way more believable to me than god did it though.
In the tv-series Pillars of the Earth one of the main characters works in France and comes across a block of limestone that starts releasing water when the temperature rises (like, around sunrise, when rays of the sun hit it directly). So back in England, working on the cathedral started by his adoptive father Tom the Builder, he carves a statue of the virgin Mary and hides the limestone behind her eyes, and places it so at dawn the sun hits the 'weeping stone' and the statue starts crying. Of course pelgrims flock to this miracle and the cathedral quickly becomes a popular site. it's only a miracle / magic as long as you don't know how it works.
32 minutes into the video. An Italian elderly lady is interviewed. The interviewer says: "Have you seen the miracle of the sun?" The lady answers: "Not really, this is not the miracle of the sun, that was in Fatima, when the sun got closer to all the people, and I have experienced it even here".
I’ve actually had people tell me about this, as though it was supposed to be so amazing that I ought to convert right there and then. And then they’d take my lack of belief in the event as some kind of evidence that their religion is true.
I agree with that poor child @ 32:16 *[child crying] :* "Waaaaah huaaa huaaa huaaa Waaaaaah!!!" *Translation:* "Why did I have to be born amongst this mob of idiots?"
Aron, you are so great in making science more popular. I’d watch some more of your educational videos. Very nice of you not to shrug this guy’s criticism as naive BS. You have put a lot of effort in debunking it. Probably much more than the guy himself in gathering evidence for his claim.
The thing is that the Sun does move in the sky because the Earth is rotating, and if you watch for it, you can notice it. Especially at Sunrise or Sun set. It goes through 360 degrees in 24 hours, which is 15 degrees per hour or 15/60=0.25 degrees per minute.
@@jasonuren3479 The sun rises in the east, and sets in the west. The Earth turns once over 24 hours, so the sun rises, moves to overhead at noon, and sets in the west. If you watch the sun rise in the morning you can see its apparent motion due to the earths rotation, especially as it rises behind a tree for reference.
Since there are 360 degrees in a circle, and the Earth rotates once every 24 hours, the sun moves across the sky daily 360 degrees per 24 hours is 360/24 = 15 degrees per hour or 15degrees/60minutes=a quarter of a degree per minute. I think that is what they saw because they were told to watch for it. You only notice it if you really watch for it.
