Solid State Batteries - FINALLY powering electric vehicles in 2024! 

as Douglas Adams was once heard to say.

I kept hearing that sound while working on my own projects - now I know what it was 😊

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Thanks. I was unfamiliar with Douglas Adams so Googled him. Now on my reading list.@@fuccasound3897

Unlike the typical "Quantum graphenated thorium battery personally blessed by Deepak Chopra" videos in the various "Undecided", "Two bits DaVinci", "I don't understand what they say it may as well be science" that within two days are exposed as scams or simple misrepresentations of a preprint, and the above youtubers never care about mentioning that. Sorry for the rant. Effing youtube keeps suggesting me that garbage and I can't stand it.

@@pomodorino1766 quite refreshing, isn't it? those channels are sponsored, sensationalized click bait garbage. seriously, how often could a revolutionary, breakthrough technology emerge, frequently enough for one to make a video on, at least once a week? it's ridiculous. I love clicking on one of their 12 minute features, focusing on a potentially world changing technology that really turns out to be a niche start-up which is struggling to even meet half the goals they set for themselves. Dave has similarly made videos focusing on emerging technologies and start-ups but the difference is that he follows up on them and doesn't present them as the silver bullets to all of mankind's issues.

@@critiqueofthegothgf Yes, we have a game changer technology every two days, but the changes are nowhere to be seen 😂

@@pomodorino1766 Which of the 3 basic EV drivetrains (BEV vs PHEV vs HFCEV) offers the most benefits, applications and potential to reduce fuel/energy consumption, emissions AND insane traffic? Your answer here __ __ __ __ __. WRONG !! The correct answer is PHEV plug-in hybrid. Eventually, combustible hydrogen in the ICEngine of a PHEV+H drivetrain stores at lower pressure in smaller-safer tanks and can deliver more than twice the equivalent MPG possible in fuel cell EVs. PHEVs distribute battery resource more equitably than all-battery BEV tech. PHEV tech is especially applicable to long haul freight truck fleets. PHEV tech addresses impossibly unsustainable distances routinely driven for all needs and purposes with economic and other practical incentives to drive less and likewise transport essential commodities least distances.

You just need to work out how you will be charging them...

Regardless how good and fast battery tech and charging gets, the bottleneck is the almost hundred year old power grid infrastructure in the US. Strangely I'm not seeing any significant upgrades by the power companies, this will not end well with millions of EV's charging day and night. Let the blackouts roll! lol

Your pacemaker will have one.

Closer to market is a moving target. Promises, promises. I tend to agree with your former employer.

Oh it's basically guaranteed at this point. Molten salt metal air batteries are a much more in the future goal, perhaps even further away from practical applications than lithium air chemistries.

Holy shit this is why I quit MacDonalds lol

100iq take

I loved my manager at my last job. I was there 12 years. But after watching 4 rounds of layoffs, and zero pay increase for 2 years, I quit the company. They had new owners. So I guess I quit the owners.

what bullshit!

No they quit a company. Quitting the manager is just a perk of leaving.

Its easy to sound clever when you only present half the problem.

Wow, thank you!

@@manoo422 I looked for your channel with 546K subscribers and 35K views in 5 hours but I couldn't find it

@@manoo422 Do you know a channel or video that presents the WHOLE problem without unnecessary bias or agenda then? I mean, it's fairly clear that this is a cursory video that lightly touches on the topic. He even states something similar. Actually curious- not trying to ruffle feathers here.

@@Abayas. Interesting that you are so conditioned you dont even notice the propaganda controlling you any more. Maybe you should consider stepping away from the 'mind control' and wake up to reality. Will you take the red pill and get the truth or the blue pill and remain a sheep...?

Regarding the L2 charging: the Canadian electrical code was recently changed such that you no longer need an electrical service upgrade to install a L2 charger. If you don't have the the head-room in your load calculation: you can install a whole house energy monitor. The whole house energy monitor will then pause vehicle charging during periods of high electrical demand. I worry this may conflict with "virtual power plants" that "smart" hot water tank manufacturers want to sell to utilities. The protocol for load-sheding on the water tank is invariably proprietary. Your "whole house energy monitor" may mistakenly think it is safe to charge the car during a period of peak electrical demand (and load-shed request directed at the water heater).

Just sharing you some info but you might not be able to buy due to “US National Security threat from China” So Chinese car hesitate to sell in U.S. China is a big country so what ever limitation US has they have too even they have more than millions of charging stations country wide. China call NEV which compose of BEV (pure battery) (around 60%) , EREV around 40% fuel cell (mostly in commercial transportation and freight train). EREV = extended range EV, drive train is purely electric motors with generators (ICE) using gas. It’s different from Hybrid and PHEV. Both ICE still involve as part of drive train. Hybrid battery is 2-5 KW while PHEV is about 20KW roughly 30-40 miles range. EREV install 50+ or ++ KW which you can drive 100-150 miles which cover daily commute or using 2-3 days if you live downtown which is roughly 70% - 80% of most people routine (purely run on battery) but giving flexibility if you travel across multiple states or having urgent matter (no need to stop for charging). It also can set running ICE on command (you have to push ICE to work) or auto (ICE start at set low battery level). Price wise a bit more expensive than BEV. The Tesla fan boy always claimed that EREV is not EV (not green) which is BS. Majority of all countries still produce electricity from fossil, (China output of wind and solar is more than whole world combined still have to use fossil and plan to build 48 nuclear power plant in next 20 years). The bigger battery that serve 20-30% of your routine also create more pollution too. The EREV also supplemented range lost in very cold winter. All for all, there is no way to be 100% green so if your car can be green 70%-80% green in your daily life and serve your remaining 20% without excessive battery (more pollution) is very reasonable. That’s why it shares around 40% sales. It is a good transition during better battery development.

My state just announced another $80M of charging infrastructure planning today; perhaps some of that IRA money will flow to an area on your PA commute. Unless your relatives are in a townhouse/apartment/condo, adding a 14-50 receptacle is typically under $2k; in my case (having done this *four times*), it was well under $1k x3 and $2k once, and I paid to have one installed at a relative's carport because I visit often. It's fine and code-compliant to "over-subscribe" an electrical panel; my current 200A panel has 260A of breakers; my previous 200A panel had well over 300A. Even if the panel is "only" 100A -- which is not unusual in older US residences of 50+ years ago -- an add'l 50A breaker (for a 14-50) can be added, though certainly care should be taken to not charge at max amps at the same time as running an electric dryer AND cooking a casserole in an electric range. But, then, most charging can be scheduled at the car (or the EVSE) for the wee hours when other major electricity users are offline.

for people that need to do long trips often, specially in extremely cold places, hybrids are probably a better investment. its also probably where hydrogen EVs start to become more interesting.

Should've bought a reasonably-priced car that doesn't have such limitations.

Wow, thanks!

@@JustHaveaThink electric vehicles have a long way to go getting 5 seconds in a 1/4 mile like 4 cylinder honda k24 running 5.86 lol same goes for towing range cybertruck only gets 90 miles towing lol and ford lightning and rivian r1t.

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@@mattwill63Ah yes, the engine of the Honda Element, surely the pinnacle of internal combustion engineering excellence. My electric frumpy family car can do 0-60 in under 6 seconds as well, and I didn’t have to lift its motors into a lotus Elise body to achieve it.

@@PippetWhippet you can never make any tesla beat the honda k24 lol or any lucid dont matter how many modifications you do imagine spending over 100k to get beat by grocery getter engine BILLET HONDA K24-SERIES ENGINE BLOCK HANDLE 1700 HP NOW GO BUY ONE

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Due to the mid-leading title

There are many products out there that might qualify for "affordable" I built 2 DIY battery systems and had decent luck. Both are 24V 8P2S configs of ~5KW-hr and 14.3 KW-hr. The 3rd attempt was terrible as the company went out of business B4 honoring their warranty of NEW grade A cells. The cells were obviously used and most were unusable. My latest battery is an EG4 LFP 48V 280A 14.3 KW-hr wall battery for about $4000. It has a built in heater for colder weather. The newer ones are UL certified. This is more than enough for my daily needs. Charge it full and use it over night.

@@lunatik9696 $4,000.00 for that capacity is NOT affordable.

@@lunatik9696 DIY is not the way to go as it will never reach volume.

Sodium-ion

Small business and home are not the same market.

Perhaps you want to re-listen from @14:15

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Cheers Martin :-)

Not my takeaway from the video tbh

Similar to how fusion power has been just around the corner for the last 3 decades.

This.

carry a 99whr batterypack Its essentially what you want, but you need a cable

I wouldn't get your hopes up... I've been hearing about revolutionary new batteries since 1999. This week alone I've heard about 4 different new battery technologies. Which means I've heard from 4 start-ups trying to scam for investor money. If some company truly *was* on the verge of some new revolutionary battery tech, they'd keep their mouth shut until they've begun manufacturing them. Why? Because they'd be worried about espionage and/or stock price volatility (if they make a claim and then fail to deliver, it would tank their stock). The only reason you'd tip your hand is if you were out of money and needed investors to come dump some money into your company. Or if you have no plans to create a working battery and are just stealing from naive investors.

I will stick to my petrol car thanks

yup yup yup, came here to say this exact thing, hi from rural Canada where a charger is 60km away and it's 8hrs travel to anywhere with another one...

I have doubts ya'll are even real people. But. Nah, even given your cases, it doesn't mean range anxiety is a "real problem". There are outliers for whom it can be a problem, but that doesn't mean it's a problem for the market or industry. Outliers just don't produce enough demand to make a business case to address it, the same way nobody bothers to build gas stations every few miles in the middle of the Yukon either. 1) AC wall charge or solar chargers taking advantage of all your rural land work just fine and can even get the job done quite quickly. How many rural Canadians who are considering buying EVs need to travel more than 500/600km every day or even every week? Even if your nearest rural Canadian charger is 60km away, you can get there 4 times and back JUST TO watch other people charge their cars lol. Even if we subtract an overexaggerated 50% for cold weather range penalty, I think we can agree that's still more than what even most rural people need any given day. 2) By definition and by logic, rural Canada and all other areas with vast distances between chargers have FEWER PEOPLE living there. Even if there are the odd outliers in a community for whom range anxiety may be a real and unmitigatable concern, they are a very small percentage. And.. they're not buying electric vehicles in any quantity in the first place! It's not a real market for manufacturers and, thus, their concerns should not impact design decisions in a major way. Obviously, things should get better. But the idea that current EVs somehow don't meet the needs of the overwhelming majority of the market is silly propaganda.

@Cyrribrae I don't know if you are real either or if you are whether you have ever left the city. I live in Australia where I work in a lot of regional areas as a contractor which is not super uncommon nor is it uncommon for people to here travel long distances. If you are following the coast sure the roads are pretty good and mostly chargers every 50-200km which is fine. But inland where the roads are not great and you can easily be 300km at highway speeds to the next 50-75kwh charger. When you add in reduced efficiency for having good ground clearance and robust tires let alone towing something you realise that current energy densities are just not enough. Fortunately CATL and other companies are doing an amazing job at addressing this but it really annoys me when people who dont live or work in rural areas claim that anyone who says that ev range is not enough is a fake propagandist. On Saturday I was at a major rural fuel stop where there were only two chargers, one was broken and one was down to 25kw charging speeds and the next charger was 86km down the road, hopefully the annoyed atto 3 had enough charge to make it to the next stop!

@@kingdomofashes hold on, you missed the point. You're trying to convince me you're a special snowflake who deserves corporate coddling because you need ground clearance lol. But you're the one who (for some reason) took offense to the video for daring to suggest that range anxiety is not a real problem. Sorry but.. Who cares what you think?? Why should your personal anecdote determine the direction of EV development? Not a personal insult. You should live how you like. But let's not get it twisted. We both agree you're not the target market for EVs. And guess what? You shouldn't be. Only 3.5m Australians live outside of a city, let alone super far from a charger. Shitty infrastructure sucks, but that's an infrastructure problem - not a car design problem. And again, JUST USE A WALL CHARGER. But yes, if you're someone who needs to drive 1000km every single day, then shoot, maybe just acknowledge you're not a reasonable market, let alone the target audience. Why can't we focus on the common use cases instead of the 0.1% of people complaining loudly in the corner? Seems really dumb to me.

The laws of physics will apply no matter what the green nutjobs say

Larger energy densities means lighter batteries (we might start seeing EVs lighter than the fueled, or even dry, weight of the equivalent ICE car with similar range) and less material used (so more batteries made with the same amount of Lithium). With proper competition (which seems likely to happen) it should also mean cheaper batteries in the end. Pursuing those advances is worth it even if you don't intend to increase EV ranges.

IC engines allow you to do what you want, EV well you spec to your requirements which may mean you carry a tonn of weight to give you range which in the main you may not use. I think Hybrid is better as you have the option to extend range for those few times you may need it and recover energy normally lost to friction brakes. Diesel are good when run hard but not good around town. To change the planet to EV is very destructive, it is something we have to gently migrate to. The main pollution is not from vehicles it is from the developing countries making cement and nitrogen fertilisers. My Lexus is 19 years old and works a treat, emissions are practically undetectable. I don't intend to change.

Also necessary for people who live in the middle of nowhere. Parts of the Northern Territory in Australia have 800km or so between towns. Of course as a percentage this is a reasonably small percent of the population, probably less than 2 or 3 million people in Australia (of around 26 million, so 10%) would need that kind of range to get anywhere (ignoring residents of Perth, lets assume none of them plan to go anywhere east)

I don't know much about this industry but is it really that hard to build an EV with a battery pack that can be easily and quickly swapped out like swapping a propane tank for a grill? Swap out a discharged pack for a charged pack at a station and that might even ensure they get recycled properly. Wouldn't that also help with selling used EV's on the used car market? How will people sell used EV's in the future if they have to spend $4500.00 on a new battery before they can sell it? It's like having to replace the engine in every used car before they can put it on the lot. Swapping EV battery packs may not be practical, I don't know.

Petrol, LPG, Diesel emissions for those few who travel long distance is far less than the cost of infrastructure to charge EV's just to wave a green flag. I am from UK but I can't see a road train running on battery for a long time (cement Australia fires) . We have to be realistic and practical. If I was in the outback I would not be in an EV as I can get an IC home without a computer saying NO. Also I can't afford 50.000 for a vehicle to replace a Toyota Hilux or the like. LPG is a good fuel that should be used more, my old LS400 V8 loved it. As I said Hybrid is best of both worlds and reduces the need for a large battery, if you only commute a short distance and infrastructure available to charge then yes go for EV. Scrapping and replacing 800 million vehicles just to please 'Gretta Turnburg' is not going to save the planet more likely make matters worse. @@AusKipper1

"This is the age... of the solid state battery" 🙂

Thanks Angela. I appreciate your feedback :-)

Am I wrong in thinking that the areas of New Zealand with extreme cold are places where people normally have off street/road parking and can potentially plug in at home? In that situation the EV can be brought up to temperature before departure and that greatly reduces the impact of extreme cold driving.

Isn't it "don't let perfect be the enemy of good"? But then, none of us is prefect... 😄

It’s the other way around. “Perfect is the enemy of good” - Voltaire

For batteries even a 0.01% degradation rate compounded over 3000 times is 30% loss - on par with what we currently have so the bar is actually quite high and close to perfect 99.9% perfect

This sort of thinking, being willing to accept incremental improvement rather than a quantum leap is understandable, and perhaps during the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, made a lot of sense. Of course, at that stage, there was little sense of urgency about environmental, climatological and other related risks, posed by consumption of fossil fuels and mined materials. However, it is becoming increasingly clear in this day and age, that we do not have the luxury of incrementally improving things, as this will take time the habitat we rely on, simply does not have. Solid state needs to hit the consumer market, fully formed and lab matured, artificially accelerated in its maturity as a technology. As much lab work and experimentation as physically possible must be done, to ensure that the first solid state batteries to hit cars or consumer use cases, does not get binned in short order, for the newer, more advanced version down the track. The aim here ought to be to ensure that there is no need to replace ones electronic car, within the lifetime of the driver, to ensure that the first iteration of the technology solves all the problems of the old tech it replaces, from charge times to explosivity, from physical dimensions and weight reduction, to improved energy density. The "range anxiety" that was rather foolishly brushed off as a non-problem, when it is actually an issue for many motorists (causing many who can afford it, to purchase both an electric and a petrol car, rather than just an electric one, which keeps the oil train running and damages the environment) should NOT be overlooked as it has implications which are potentially grave. We can't afford to have cars or other tech, put together with newfangled gear in it, only to have that kit binned in the upgrade, trade in cycle. The aim should be permanence, reducing the number of cars or other bits of kit being sold every year, by way of those pieces of kit being as good after a lifetime of use, as they were fresh off the production line. Perfect in these times isn't the enemy of good. Anything less than perfect simply isn't any good at all.

@@peteredwards2318 Amen! Capitalism is however firmly set against the last point. Building a smaller pile of really durable products will not win the day as long as short lifecycles bring in more short term money. This is the biggest challenge overall. How to break the “only buying new stuff (=consumerism) will get us out of this problem” myth.

Glad you enjoyed it!

Except NIO stock is $6, nobody wants it.

Prologium. Another Chinese company Ganfeng has already test solid state batteries in production cars .

I'm sure you have heard this before, the problem is the 500 mile range is under optimum conditions.Here in Canada winter is a serious thing and cranking the heater, which has been reported as just adequate to keep the wind screen defrosted can reduce range by a third and the cold itself can knock off another third. That doesn't leave much to actually get to your destination.

@@markbernier8434 I guess Canada will have to build up their own fossil fueled car and truck production when the whole rest of the world switches to susstainable energy. In regard to the time it takes to bild such a industry - 20-30 years - i recommend you start NOW.

@@markbernier8434 I fully agree. It is why it is important that those ranges and power densitys increase. I am not claiming EVs are perfect. However I would point out that in the 1900s the range of gas powered vehicles wasnt enough to get anywhere in Canada either whether it was cold or hot. We are at a point in time where there is a fundamental shift occuring. We are on the leading edge of the shift unlike the ICE vehicles that have been main stream for the better part of 80 years.

@@najibyarzerachic very cool. The biggest point of the article I read was the reduction in production time was significant.

Thankfully JAC is releasing their first Sodium-Ion powered cars this quarter if not already... Same here, I don't need/want a huge range. I want the cheapest most durable option which it would seem to be these!

I am waiting for sulfur. It is promissed double the energy with halfbthe price. Or something like that

Sodium is already here from CATL and others. It's not too great in terms of energy density, but makes a lot of sense for stationary storage. It is also being used in low-end cars that will be out soon if not already.

My doctor told me to reduce my sodium intake

@@PaulG.x "Paul, we need to talk about your diet. Eating batteries is not healthy."

Just add 50% for a rough conversion from miles to kilometres. eg. 20 miles = 30km. (It's actually about 32km but it's near enough if you just want an approx conversion)

Ok next time

Divide by five. Multiply by eight.

Quick conversion: Divide by 5, then multiply by 8. Or, using the simplest maths: Divide by 10, then double four times.

X 1.6 it's not that hard.

Awesome, thank you!

The Model T was supposed to have an electric powertrain, but Edison could not make it work, forcing Henry Ford to go with the little-used Gasoline. Not much has changed in 100 years...

It is! Especially when there aren't EV chargers spaced out between the endless little midwestern towns in the US

Thank you :-)

Sure, we can technically buy 350 miles of EV range, but can most people afford it? No.

Have to agree that range anxiety is a very valid concern. People tend to think in terms of individual trips and come to the conclusion that trips greater than the range of a typical EV are rare so it's not really a problem. But I suggest we should be thinking more in terms of 'time between availability of a charger'. If you have no access to a home charger then you are reliant on being able to find a working, accessible charger at a mileage interval shorter than your range. The shorter your range the more often you have to find an available charger. Having to do this only (perhaps) once a month is of course far better than having to do it, say, every week, or even every couple of days.

For sure, it is, rather, charging anxiety,* agreed

Elon hasnt been vocal because all of the ' future tech next year' promises he has made over the last 8+ years have 90%+ of the time been shown to be BS. He's in an increasingly precarious position after his disastrous and idiotic purchase of twitter, the increasing doubt over whether space x can deliver what it has been contracted to do by nasa(i.e the american taxpayer), and tesla's 'self driving cars' ( musk said tesla would become worthless if it couldnt do this) have been shown to be not possible in any kind of a near future timeframe, and their tech has now become nothing but a glorified cruise control. Elon's real gift (and source of his hugely over-inflated worth) is in stock market manipulation.

Hehe. 3D Graphene scaffolds are coming in next week's video, all about lithium-sulphur technology :-)

​@@JustHaveaThink- so much promised with this material, (graphene) production of it in large quantities was the first hurdle then applications start to emerge! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Technologies No doubt you know about skeleton technokogies, some great progress using graphene and ultra capacitors - thought Tesla might have partnered here but I don't think Elon sees ultra capacitors useful - I'm sure I read that somewhere?

It's interesting, though faster charging is one possible way to solve the issue, however it seems unlikely it will result in a similar speed as gasoline refilling anytime soon, and results in cell degradation. It seems to me that battery pack swapping would be the fastest, most efficient and sustainable method of refueling, and could be automated, however it would require a high level of standardization.

@@newolde1 Yes, battery swaps are being done in China where companies rent the pack to customers, but customers own the vehicle. That way the battery longevity isn't an issue. However, it's a bit of a false comparison between gasoline pumps and charging. Charging could be done while people are shopping or dining or at work. The freedom from hazardous explosive fuels means charging is far more flexible, so time issues are not real issues as the cars can multi-task the charging with being parked. Still, people have that range anxiety issue... But even a low rate or quick charge could put another 20 miles / km in the pack without a full out hypercharger.

You're welcome!

Sure, but for the Nio publicity stunt, I'm guessing they were willing and able to unlock the _whole_ battery capacity, not just the "usable" range enforced for battery health reasons.

Now we just need infinite free electricity.

That cell is not relevant for production. It was a showcase of what energy density can be reached, but on cost of other parameters, which makes it not relevant for Real life purpose.

@@bunsw2070 6.242 × 10^18 electrons per Ampere second> 200 Ah requires 4.49424*10^27 electrons, or 4 grammes worth of them. Electricity is extremely lightweight, let's get rid of the batteries entirely.

Not yet, but they will work on bringing it to market, improve its qualities when it comes to longevity and rechargability

@@strichard111 My point what was that the cells in this video, were the lab cells 1-2 years ago. It is moving fast. The theoretical energy content in a Li-metal / silicium cell (not that we know how to make it now) is 2 KWh/kg. There is plenty room for improvement still.

Where are you getting information about VW dropping them?

06/01/2024 Electric vehicle (EV) battery start-up Quantumscape Corp (NYSE:QS) shares closed nearly 50% higher Thursday after tests from Volkswagen subsidiary PowerCo SE confirmed the endurance potential of its solid-state cell. "PowerCo SE, the battery company of the Volkswagen Group (XETRA:VOW), announced it had confirmed the results of QuantumScape's solid-state cell in an endurance test. "These are very encouraging test results and a milestone on the way to series production of the solid-state cell,” Frank Blome, CEO of PowerCo said in a statement." What are you up to lipsterman1?

Spot on. Disappointed cost wasn't addressed in the video. SSBs wont be an "overnight gamechanger" if a 14 to 40% increase in energy density costs a lot more than ever improving and ever cheaper conventional batteries. Naturally costs will come down over time but I suspect conventional batteries will be powering most EVs for a very long time to come alongside SSBs for high-end EVs, motorcycles, planes, etc.

Perhaps, but I suspect people are more willing to add an additional $2000-$5000 to a car than they are to add an additional $50-$100 to a phone.

​@@SireJoeI strongly disagree with that. We are talking 100$ versus 5000$ here.

@@Kiev-en-3-jours I think solid state batteries are most likely to turn up first in iphones and top of the range Android phones before anywhere else. The reason phones screens have got bigger is to hide the bigger battery.

Consider the different needs from a phone to a car. If SS batteries allow faster charging and range they make the car significantly easier to use. Let's say you forgot to charge your phone and it dies while you're out. That sucks, but you stuff the thing in your pocket and charge it up again as soon as you can. Now apply the same scenario to what is now a 2 ton brick on wheels. The other thing is that if SS batteries handle a wider temperature range better then that should mean an increase in reliability and performance. My current EV's Li-ion battery looses range when it's too hot or cold. Conditions I wouldn't want to be walk around in. And I'd like to imagine that if the battery can heat up more, we can potentially discharge more power to the motors quicker for higher speeds and acceleration.

Most peoples' eyes glaze over when confronted with calculations involving units. If you added error calculations and significant digits, they would go blind.They see the problem you identify as an engineering problem that will be solved and not a hard limitation imposed by physics. You may as well ask how it would be possible to supply a city with water pumped through a 1" inside diameter pipe. If you could somehow raise the pressure high enough to get the required flow volume, the walls of the pipe would have to be 3 feet thick to avoid bursting. It is not a perfect analogy, but close enough to make the problem understandable by people who have little or no scientific background. Watching RU-vid doesn't count.

@@donthompson7889 Sigh, true.

You math is correct, but you are not thinking outside of the box. One option might be to have homes with electrical storage to charge one or two extra cars and network to share this energy at price. Small nuclear power plants might be an option.

@@lesp315 Who would pay the tens of thousands of dollars needed to install battery storage in every home? What effect would mining and processing the raw minerals required for hundreds of millions of extra batteries have on carbon emissions (hence, climate change?) Hundreds of small nuclear reactors might solve the electrical generation problem but would only make the electrical distribution problem more acute. There are no magical solutions to the situation mankind has put itself in.....except, perhaps, global population decimation brought on by extinction level natural disaster, virulent global pandemic, or global nuclear war.

You must be ill. Everybody knows Canadians need 20.000 kilometers of range @ -350 degreees celsius.

I would agree

Depends on the fast charging infrastructure if one thinks about longer journeys. At least for me. 400km initial charge (in the worst case what is cold temperatures and a fully packed car) with reliable fast charging stations would be the end of my range anxiety.

Regardless of total range, fast charging remains a must for most people living in cities or apartment buildings. In a lot of european cities especially, there's just no way for everyone who needs a car, to have a dedicated parking spot with a charger. Obviously, the main solution remains increasing public transport usage, by actually making it an appropriate alternative to cars for most people.

Lots of reasons to want more. People that can't charge at home need a charging solution that that isn't a frequent inconvenience; one overnight charge every two or three weeks, perhaps. Work vans need to be able to work all day, without crippling the payload. Countries with vast distances need a range that is viable for their distances. I'd like a 1000km range just to finally shut up the Neanderthal ICE zombies once and gore all.

Exactly what I posted. When he whispered range anxiety isn’t a real issue he immediately lost credibility with me. I won’t even look at an EV until they can do 500 miles and the charging infrastructure radically improves.

Pessimist!

don't forget Super Conductivity, those "baby young to world" will not be aware of how we went through this same exact HYPE MACHINE with SC back in the early 90's or over 30 years ago. it was reported in all the Journals and the papers like the New York Times, yeah just go back and search the archives of these publications and you'll see the information still sitting there. ref: "Those who don't know History are DOOMED to repeat it..." - George Santayana (1863-1952)

The bigger hurdle is getting over the idea of needing cars for everyone in the first place.

Strange idea, but could it be speed limit isn't the same on all roads? As all new cars already know exact position and speed and store those data, all that would be needed is a regulation giving access to the data(for trucks that even partly exists as extra units they have to have).

The biggest hurdle is putting people behind the wheel in the first place

Sounds like idiots who speed up while being overtaken will grow their body count.

EVs have a few legacy issues - already! In order to 'prove' themselves a worthy replacement/successor to ICEs, they needed to match/exceed speed, range, 'refuelling' times etc. This is because customers can't adjust their thinking to a new product behaviour i.e. grasp the concept of topping off charge each night, at home, at low cost vs refuelling off-site for 10-minutes each week/fortnight. Ultimately, customer education may be cheaper than R&D.

That would be on brand with Elon, borrowing other people's tech and calling it his own...

​@@snowstrobe Poor baby, did Musk sink your rubber duckie?😂

@@snowstrobe Comon dude noone says hes solely responsible for everything but he brought all the parts together to become one of the most successful human beings in history. Yet your here just being a hater. You know what they say you will never find a hater doing better than you. Guess you havent done much with your life hope it improves.

@@mamboa1986 anyone with shit loads of money can buy ideas that were already successful and claim that they were smart, he's an egomaniac who refuses to accept he's not personally responsibly for anything good attached to his name

@@mamboa1986 no most people do in fact claim he invented and created all these things.

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The reception would probably be more positive, but as usual, the goverments push unwanted, unrefined, under-developed crap upon the masses, who react accordingly. Let the market decide, and stop giving incentives. I do not want my tax money to help someone get a 7500$ rebate when buying a tesla that I can't afford to begin with. Just because of that, I'll never have an EV.