Solomonster Reacts To Why John Cena Torched Austin Theory On Raw 

I find it hilarious that he basically mentioned the crowd reaction being manipulated by the “fake” noise yet, WWE themselves did the same thing for Cena during his run. “Wherever Cena goes, he gets a reaction good or bad.” Same situation just different ways of doing it.

I actually liked the promo right until the end where Cena all but undermined an eventual Theory win saying it won't mean anything because Theory won't be able to carry the torch. That's what always hated about Cena, the fact he can't elevate anybody and conceding a defeat, because he always has to come up on top either on the ring or verbally. He should have said that to prove that he truly belongs Theory needs to beat him fair and square, so he would have upped the stakes for their WM match. Instead what Cena did is sabotaging another future star like he always did for 20 years

This is definitely just Stage 1 of this build. I can see Theory cutting an emotional promo before WrestleMania about how he wants to make a name for himself and the best way to do it would be to beat his childhood hero at the biggest show of the year. It’s not going to be as intense of a heel vs childhood hero feud as CM Punk/MJF but I can see them tapping into the same emotions.

The funny thing is they did pipe in fake noise during Cena's era. There were so many examples where they'd show big PPV matches where Cena got booed out of the building, yet the replays or the match highlights always added cheers for him. So is he really the one to talk. Don't get me started on Roman or how they used to lower the mics during his WM entrances to try to hide the boos for so many years. WWE has been doing this forever. Theory is hardly an exception.

I’m glad you brought up the fact that Cena out performed The Rock back during their feud. As a loyal Attitude Era fan, I didn’t want to believe it back then. But looking back at those exchanges now, it was clear that Rock was just taking cheap jabs and Cena’s gimmick while Cena hit Rock where it hurts.

My issue with what Cena does is he just breaks the 4th wall an brings up shit live TV that breaks suspension of disbelief. If 2 ppl go on TV with a script an pre approved talking points an you purposely stray from that an bring up real life shit of course you make the other guy look dumb. Usually the guy going against Cena wouldn't be allowed that same freedom anyway. Also Cena losing the match after doesn't really matter because what most ppl remember years later is the promo battle. Him shooting on Rock, Roman, Dean, now Theory etc.

After that promo on Monday, I would have Theory squash Cena just to piss people off

The Austin Theory character has hit its ceiling, much like Cena's did before he picked up the rapping gimmick; Theory gets the win at WM, but he needs to parlay that into a new gimmick. Otherwise he's the same guy, with the same ceiling, who just happened to beat Cena in a match.

Looking back at the career of Cena, I remember when I started watching wrestling in 03 (only Smackdown because we didn't have cable), he was extremely hot until he got drafted to Raw. After that, the character never changed, he became supercena. Just that period from 08 going forward was so boring save for Punk vs Cena.

A veteran in 2002 and early 2003 could've said the exact same thing about John Cena and he still had a pretty decent career I think so let's calm down a little bit with this burial promo, it might light a fire under Theory's backside and be more motivated than he ever was to be a top guy

I had another thought while watching that segment: If Velveteen Dream wasn't being Textateen Dream, then he would be in the same spot that Austin Theory right now: a champion going into Wrestlemania feuding with the one and only John Cena.

I can't get into this. Cena winning makes no sense, but I really don't see Theory as a guy worthy of this match right now. Its not like he's on the cusp of breaking out. He's not really that over. It just feels a bit too soon or even forced. Its like if in 2003 they had Hulk Hogan put over Renee Dupree at WM. I'm just not feeling this. Maybe Theory is better off losing, having a good 2023 and then facing Cena again next year in a rematch.

Cena talking about them “pumping in crowd noise” is pretty ironic considering the WWE had to edit and mute the crowd noise for a decade when his boring ass was getting booed out of the building.

Theory has got what it takes, other than a little more experience in the ring. He just needs that special gimmick because his creative has kinda hit the wall. I'm hoping they'll parlay this into Austin cutting a heartfelt promo that turns into an angry rant, and goes on to win at WM, then uses that win to take on a new gimmick. I feel like that's what could catapult him.

Been a while since Cena buried someone.

Theory is great and people care about him. His title reign would be hated if he wasn’t cared about. I think they just did this to build up the “ theory is an underdog and he’s not ready “ narrative. Everyone knows he’s the future and he’s the best 25 and under prospect in wrestling and his potential is limitless we all know this but this promo is meant to make you think maybe he’s not.

This is not the first time Theory got buried on the mic. Kevin Owens buried him before on Raw when he gave that harsh motivation promo. Roman Reigns also buried Theory when Roman did a promo on him saying, "Daddy isn't here anymore."

When Cena was comparing Austin to himself during Ruthless Aggression Era, I thought Austin was gonna slap Cena in face just like Cena did Kurt Angle on Smackdown in 2002

I hate Cena promos - he doesn't stay in character and has that smug look on his face all the time when the opponent is cutting their promo. He placates to the crowd with the usual "whether they cheer me or whether they boo me" stick. He's not that great a promo. Theory was in character and no doubt memorising 180 essay for a promo.

Honestly if Theory wins Cena should be likes 'You win and then what, his long can you stay on top. You beat the biggest, baddest dog in the yard...you got a target on your back. You've been lucky thus far. At Wresltemaina we'll see what you're made up.'

I think Theory will be a made man after Mania.

Fans pull the "burial" thing solely based on who is doing it and who they do it to. If say Rhea said those same things to Charlotte that noone cares about her or the company is piping in fake noise during her segments, everyone will cheer. But if Charlotte said that to Rhea instead, it's instantly a "burial". There's little consistency when it comes to that, here it will only be a burial if Cena squashed Theory at Mania after this segment. Then you'd know for sure who is back in charge.

Cena has been burying young talent for over 15 years. RIP The Nexus.

That’s funny coming from Cena. Over 3 million people stopped watching wrestling because his run at the top. WWE was practically begging people to like John Cena for a decade. They buried countless people because they were getting better face reactions than. The promo was good, but everyone talks about pumped in crowd noises. We’ve been talking about that since they left the thunder dome.

I was watching the Rock/Cena segments on a binge about 2 weeks ago and yes, Cena destroyed the Rock in almost every promo battle. You will never see the Rock angrier towards a person than D’Wayne Johnson was in the ring with Cena. The crowds just hated Cena so much at that point they booed everything he said and cheered everything the Rock said. He is one of the top 3 best promo cutters on the mic during a feud I believe.

Cena was nowhere near better than the Rock on the Mic. Did he appear to get the upper hand? Objectively yes, but not because he was "better" but because he not only went off script he called out things that were part of them working. Calling out the Rock for promo notes and pointing out the company piping in crowd noise is NOT great mic skills. It's killing the suspension of disbelief for a cheap pop and yes it buries the company AND his opponent. People that can cut a promo on someone and not step outside the worked environment of the promo have great mic skills. Cena is good on the Mic, but it's easy to get one over on someone when they're playing by the rules of a worked promo and you're stepping outside of the worked promo to bury them and make them look silly, knowing they probably haven't prepared to do so against you. What was Austin Theory supposed to say that wouldn't run down the company OR run down the credibility of the person that is the ratings booster and undercutting the importance of his match? Why do people ignore that breaking the 4th wall to insult your opponent whose maintaining a worked promo buries the other person??? It's the verbal equivalent of punching someone for real to get yourself over because they throw good worked punches. Unprofessional

Austin Theory got destroyed like The Rock did Billy Gunn leading to their 1999 WWF SummerSlam match.... 😤 💨 🌬

I haven't seen the promo but this does sound bad for Theory by the sounds of it. However, people who criticize Cena should also criticize Hogan, Triple H, and HBK. None of them seem to do that at all.

I was thinking Cena wins, and then Theory goes Chris Jericho crazy with a hammer to Chyna's hand. Cena can't defend the title, because of the beating from Theory. Then Cena comes for revenge at Summer Slam, but Theory wins.

This promo sounds heelish as hell 🤣🤣

The way I view that promo is a little bit different than how other people saw it, to me it was classic Cena, a few years ago John Cena cut the exact same promo on Roman Reigns only to put him over and that's exactly what he's going to do for Austin Theory at WrestleMania, and to me that little dig at Austin about him not being able to carry on that momentum is just Cena's way of motivating him because Cena knows he won't be around after WrestleMania and if he's going to put over this guy he wants this guy to take advantage of it, so while other people look at it as a burial I simply look at it as a passing of the torch and I cannot wait for the raw after WrestleMania where Austin Theory comes out and tells everybody i-told-you-so which is exactly what John Cena's promo was design to do.

It was for a reason. This story is about theory getting himself to the next level an everything cena said was true. The fans are not fully beliving in theory yet because he hasn't done anything to convince them otherwise an cena let him know that so this is a big moment for austin theory to show people if he can be something in the wwe an he should be one of the future guys they fully invest in

Zelina as the anime to wrestling interpreter is amusing.

Cena burying Theory in that segment is even more hilarious now considering that Cena showed up to Mania with his bald spot, lack of muscle definition or tan and put in house show effort, AND Theory still couldn’t rise to the occasion! Theory will never beat those total zero/industry plant allegations, lol

Cena is a horrible promo. Amazing mic skills, but a terrible promo. A true promo cutter will put himself AND his opponent over to PROMOTE the match. That's why I love Paul Heyman and The Rock. Paul Heyman on some occasions will even spend the entire promo big talking his client's opponent with lines like "you've done this... you've been there, you've accomplished that... but you haven't beaten him." All that does is big up the match and even get you excited for a match you didn't care about before. The Rock digs his opponent all the time, but he will also sell a lot and say lines like "Did that hurt the Rock when you did xyz? You're damn right it hurt the Rock.... yeah you... you've beaten this guy, that guy, you had the crowd roaring, I've seen you climb in your career for years... but you can't beat the Rock." THAT is how you put over talent. You have to give a bit to sell the match. People like Heyman, Jericho, Rock, Austin, even the damned Big Evil Undertaker do.

He made Austin Theory look like a Clown and didn't give him a sliver of Possible Crediblity. with Roman,Roman had at least been to the dance Once and Cena said " they gave you the ball but you haven't stepped up" with Theory John just pretty much called him a child and Dismissed him. Unless you're Stone Cold Steve Austin no babyface should be THAT rude

And here we are almost a year later, Theory is nothing

I wish people would stop comparing the two. Austin doesn't rap, wear rings ,necklaces, hats. One Hulk Hogan not Ultimate Warrior. One Ric Flair. One Rock. All had their time. Work on building up current and future wrestlers.

LA is a tourist destination. Raw after Mania should be madness this year. Disagree with Solo there

wwe likes to make Cena seem like such a big star..but in his time as the face of the company wwe lost a large proportion of its audience..btw maybe Theory should answer Cena in mandarin...

Honestly, the ONLY person I saw that hung with Cena maybe even bested him on the mic was punk

The Rock was better than Cena on the mic during their feud (2011-2013) except for one night. Breaking kayfabe and grinning nonstop doesn’t mean he out performed the Rock.

I personally thought the money match was Cena vs. Gabbie Tuft.

Cena wasn't wrong tho. Theory has been booked like a geek for the past couple of years. -Losing to Pat McAfee at Mania, who would then go on to lose 70 plus year old Vince McMahon -Losing the US Title multiple times and not establishing a solid run like Gunther -The MITB fiasco where he failed the cash in -And not really having any dominant wins or solid fueds Beating Cena will mean nothing in the long term because Theory isn't pushed as a top guy. Until he gets a win streak going after Mania, this match may as well be a bathroom break.

To add to what solo was saying about roman having more mania main events than cena... well During CENA's run as the top guy, there were more Main even level superstars. You had taker still, there, Edge, Orton, Brock, Batista, HHH was still wrestling regulatly, Benoit, bbokert, gldberg, jbl, the miz, Eddie, bryan, Punk, sheamus, rvd, ambrose, del rio, big show, jericho, bray wyatt, kane, rey mysterio, hbk and mark henry . Who do you really have now, Cody is gonna be made at mania, seth, Roman, Brock, Lashley (although he didn't get the years of protection to not get exposed on the mic like brock lesnar did). I could include sheamus and mcintyre but they've dropped down to feud for the midcard title. Rey's retiring, edge is part time, wyatt is stuck is lost in his own universe, and Miz is just Miz. Since there are less main event level talent it makes sense roman has had more mania main events. Cody will be the guy that make's the other wreestles shine. As a baby face he can be more vulnerable instead of the monster heel roman is. He may win the match but he'll make others look more credible in the loss.

This promo was great John Cena should win the US title I keep forgetting that Austin Theory is US champion and I Laughed at the fake crowd noise line by John Cena that was great I really enjoyed the Cody Rhodes and John Cena interaction that was awesome.

Thoroughly enjoyed seeing that verbal shellacking. Don't care about the match much though.

Cena only goes over the line when it;s with people he knows cant fight back. The first time I saw him do it was with AJ Styles. He used to brutalize him on the mic. Then Roman, now Theory. But when it was CM Punk or Bray Wyatt he wouldn't dare pull that shit.

Still didn't answer why he did it though I'm thinking or thought it was something personal that happened like he might have 'disrespected' Cena or some shyt. And Cena decided to verbally torch him.

What if on RAW, Theory comes out and brags about beating the unbeatable John Cena, then gets interrupted by Jay White and start their feud for the US belt.

I guess people forgot that time in history when the sweetest spoon of sugar couldn't get fans to stomach John Cena. A time when the more people booed him the more he was pushed. I'm quite sure he's the reason WWE started piping in fake crowd cheers. From day one I, and I'm quite sure many other, have never liked John Cena as a wrestler. Not that I care for Austin Theory that much but it would make zero sense for John Cena to win this match.

I say that what happen to Roman 3 years after his 2017 promo with Cena in 2020, I feel Thoery will be shaped the same, give him time.

As if Cena ever _had_ a step _to_ lose in the ring.

That's the problem with the roman reigns era nobody else has been booked even close to him he is about to main event his seventh mania even john cena has five and undertaker has five(since roman didn't want to work that show) the rock and stone cold only had four. Other guys have also main evented once at that time like batista and edge who normally remembers ah styles and Kevin owens have main evented a mania but they don't feel like bigger stars at least like three notches down roman reigns where as in previous generations it was much closer

Say what you want about Cena's wrestling ability, but there's no doubt Cena is top 10 on the mic all time!

John was actually making fun of himself when he was dissing Theory. 😂 The fact that WWE has to pipe in fake crowd noise because nobody cares about Theory, was actually the same thing they did to Cena because half of the audience members couldn't stand him at the time. Oh and the fact that Theory has the potential to be a star, but nobody cares ? Let's not forget that Cena almost got fired when he first showed up in 2002, with that boring Ruthless Aggression character before that wannabe Vanilla Ice street rapper gimmick saved his career.

Based Cena

And yes Cena got the rock so much that you could tell he was flustered. See he was used to cutting promos with backstage guys like Kelly, coach, Cole, and Garcia. So he could easily spew catchphrases but when it got down to one on one he didn't do too well. Having said that, calling Big show the big slow while singing his promo. AND the rock concerts were classic

Cena went to business for himself

When are they going to put the title on Cena? He’s 45 now for crying out loud. because it’d just be flat out silly for him to retire a 16x world champion, even if it’s just a token one day reign, Cena needs to win #17. And Flair should be there to hand John the belt…but Cena spits in Flair’s face then gives him an AA and then proceeds to celebrate as the crowd goes crazy.

I feel like if you can survive getting cooked by John Cena, you're good. You're in there

Why bring cena back if he’s just gonna bury people. People still talk about when he buried reigns. And yes reigns was boring then but it’s bc he was given a boring script with a boring character. Cena himself was the same lifeless boring character that wwe had to edit in cheers bc no one liked his character and he had go away heat during the super cena era. & no that promo did not help roman. Roman got over years later when he was given the go ahead to be more of himself and got to go heal being more charismatic and allowing his own personality to shine through. Theory doesn’t have that luxury he’s still forced to read the scripts given to Im unlike a cena or reigns and cena knows this and unfairly used that against them knowing he won’t get punished but theory would if he tried. This is just overall an asshole thing to do and it really makes you wonder why cena was ever Portrayed as a babyface when he’s just such an a hole

John Cena bury people every time his on TV the only one who couldn’t bury was CM Punk

Cena burned the rock

Sadly cena will lose. How will he have time to defend the US title?? Everyone knows John is losing.... again.