Solving the Mystery of the Triforce Tunic: The Tri-Timeline Triforce Theory for Tears of the Kingdom 

(Chuckle) thanks, no shortage of wackiness here. Appreciate the view and comment - have an awesome day 😊

That could very well be a plot device

Brilliant. That’s a prime example of why I wanted to leave it where I did. Ingenious - imagine if he got the other 2 and went dual sword barbarian style 🤘

@@gamesmiths that would be so awesome

Hmm your on to something.....

3 master swords = 3 demises

Thanks for watching and joining up 👍

Sweet handle "Badtothebunny" - love it. I was actually wondering that myself in relation to them merging and I guess in the way it's all been set up perfectly allows fans to come up with their own interpretation of events and how BOTW came to be. In that way, no-one is wrong, and I feel that was a smart decision from the team at Nintendo. This theory was something I hadn't considered and the trigger started from thinking about if they had merged, when could that have happened. But then realising the fate of the Triforce was not the same, based on what we have to hand and as far as I can tell, it really left it open. In that way, I thought you could potentially have 3 x Triforces which is super crazy (at least I thought). Then I was reviewing that short part in the trailer, looked at the pattern and...well you know the rest. I guess my point is that my favourite thing about 'Zelda' is actually the awesome ideas you can generate with the elements of mystery still there, so in my mind, no thought is "small" and I love your ideas. Thanks for sharing and keep being amazing. I make these videos for people like you and me, so your 2 cents is worth more than you know ;)

That’s a unique take on it which is really interesting - I quite like it. Makes me think of something like a conversion of dimensions which would be brilliant. Great idea and thanks for commenting 👍

I know right! I wouldn't care if it came off like Fan Fiction - Take my money!!! And yes, Forest Temple...but now you can climb the walls and don't have to aim the hookshot...I would express my excitement in words completely unsuitable to RU-vid, but I kinda want to keep the channel. Needless to say - completely agree and you are a LEGEND! Rock on!

Thanks so much and really appreciate the comment. It sounds stupid, but if I make the video, and it makes sense and people enjoy it, then that's all I really ever hope for. So it means a lot - thanks for putting a smile on my face. You have an awesome day Daniel - you deserve it!

@@gamesmiths No probably, you are an amazing guy and I personally hope this theory comes true.

You good sir are officially the comedian of the thread - brilliant! It would totally explain how she got that while deku nut/smoke bomb disappearing thing down to an art. I swear if I tried that, the smoke would clear, Link would look up, and I'd be trying to sneak away like an idiot about 2 feet from where I was already. One thing she did not do with that 7 years though - think of a less obvious name than "Shiek"...You know what, I'll leave the jokes to you...

Shattered Timeline sounds FRIKKIN amazing! You have my vote on that for sure. The Ganon from that Timeline is just a pure badass - standing there with a stomach full of Master Sword in the Twilight - you can't help but be impressed with that. The thing is the way Nintendo left the timelines and BOTW open to imagination allows for this kind of creativity and frankly, I love it. Great idea and look forward to hearing more in the future. Thanks for taking the time to leave your thoughts and have a good one.

This was awesome to read. It made me look at that completely different and, if nothing else, ramped the coolness factor 1000% if that was foreshadowing and not just a reference. Thanks for sharing the enthusiasm

That's great hear. Thanks for letting me know and don't worry - I've got more theories than time at the moment LOL!

Thank you so much, I’m a mad Zeltik fan myself so that’s seriously high praise. I’ve got plenty more theories so I’ll certainly be doing my best to keep people entertained. Have a great day and thanks for taking the time to make mine 😊

Happy to be corrected but I thought the Devs left it super vague and open ended to allow players to use their imagination. The fact is wanted fully decided leads to the timeline debates within the community today, but also means that what you are saying is absolutely correct as well. I kinda like that - everyone’s right sits perfectly fine with me 😊 thanks for watching - great comment!

My theory is that the events of hyrule warriors unified the timelines

@@onslaut96 According to Eiji Aonuma Hyrule Warriors and Age of Calamity take place in a different dimension from the main series, so the events within the Hyrule Warriors series are considered non-canon to the main series. Though I do greatly enjoy the games and the nods in them to other Zelda games.

@@ajelizalde much appreciated and always glad to hear a video was enjoyable for whatever reason 👍

It was also never confirmed that BotW sat at the end of "all three" timelines--only that it existed "after Ocarina" and "at the end". Aonuma and Fujibayashi tells us that which of the timelines in particular was "up to the player's imagination". Hence why BotW exists "at the end", regardless of which timeline you look at on the Japanese website: it isn't attached to any one timeline, nor any of them for that matter.

@@theloruleanhistorian Fancy seeing you here old friend.. Realistically it can’t occur after all 3 timelines. I’ve still got my money on the HiD timeline, although I feel Ninty is pushing the Child Timeline.

On point as always Lorulean and thanks for watching. Considering that was confirmation of only 2, and the third was not cemented until Hyrule Historia, I'm inclined to go with that as the widely accepted point of confirmation of what we now know with the Fallen included. But a fair call my friend, hope you are well.

No, agree there that nothing was confirmed. And in my imagination, I had never considered the three might come into play post BOTW. But working on something completely separate, I came across this, and my imagination ran wild. It's a theory...nothing more. Cheers mate

Thanks for watching and leaving your thoughts. The Lorule Triforce is one aspect quite a few people have mentioned which is a great pick up and something I’ve taken note to delve into in a future video. Thanks again, really appreciate it and have a great day 😊

Thank you so much, but I'm honestly humbled and blessed with the response so far, so I'm a pretty lucky guy. Have an amazing day, you rock!

@@gamesmiths thanks and you too!

Awesome, thank you so much! You can count on it.

Thanks for another interesting and thought provoking comment! I completely agree that Zelda’s speech in the ceremony has greater significance and your application to the theory is nothing short of brilliant. It makes me wonder about something though relevant to a current theory I’m working on so if you don’t mind I might reference this in that video depending on how it unfolds with what I already need to cover. For the application, I’d be considering the Hero of the Wild to be a cumulating of the other 3 as opposed to a separation if that makes sense. Either way - excellent theory and really appreciate your time and effort again. All the best 💚🌟

@@gamesmiths Of course, that would be great to see it referenced! Always look forward to new content. Never disappoints!

Like other ideas, it definitely could be something we see. I’d be happy with that outcome for sure - and the ultimate version take does sound extremely badass, so I’m on board for sure. Thanks for the comment, great idea 😊

They reeeally should just make hyrule warriors Canon. Cause that game makes botw's timeline placement shenanigans make sense.

A great point which MatPat covered in Game Theory which was a great watch and well worth checking out. The response to that video from Nintendo Black Crisis was great as well - 2 great creators and well worth checking out for sure. Both Hyrule Warriors games do a really good job of providing a well thought out story that makes it so much fun to play the game, and I agree the blue scarf is a ringer for what we see in the Champions Tunic. In some ways, maybe it was a precursor Easter Egg, and a nod to the work the team did on the game (at least in my whacky imagination, I'd like to think that's what happened). It may not be a popular opinion from some, but I loved Hyrule Warriors and story - It felt like fan fiction come to life and when Patricia hit the screen, I had the fist in the air in salute. You gotta love that entrance from the baddest Sand Seal this side of the Gerudo desert.

Unsure on the first one, but I heard that age of calamity is canon

Glad you like them and your profile pic made me laugh out loud ha ha. That's really kind, but I don't mind how many subs so much as that the people who do watch enjoy it and they make sense. Sounds like you enjoyed the video, so mission accomplished!

For sure my friend and potentially callbacks to other mysteries as well 🤟

Thanks for watching and the awesome comment. There is definitely something to your theory in the sense I've heard a few suggest the timeline could be circular in a way - Like BOTW is the end and beginning all in one. A variation, but tell me a theory that isn't open to criticism depending on perceptions. I found your idea really interesting - and a great way for me to start my day! Have a great one, and thanks for taking the time to leave your thoughts, really appreciate it.

Hi GriffinSentinel - that’s a good point and one I didn’t cover in this video. The Lorule Triforce is interesting in that it was brought back into existence by a wish on a Hylian Triforce and debate remains as to whether this dimension is treated separately due to the timeline split or not. Either way, it’s a great call-out and one I want to cover off in a future theory as it also touches on the realms of Hyrule that I believe come into play in TOTK. Thanks for the comment and it’s certainly something to address. In terms of the symbology on the tunic, I’m inclined to think it is represented in the “Tetraforce” - which is a much larger topic but one fans have speculated on for ages - the 4th triangle present in the Triforce that is a gap in the larger shape, but one that could represent a major point in the series if it comes into play. In my own opinion, Lorule represented in the Tetraforce makes a whole heap of sense being an opposite type dimension - so in the 9 Triforce pieces, Lorules Triforce would be the negative space around the main 3 in the middle that remain separated due to the timeline split. It’s a personal perspective so completely expect most will disagree but hoping to put more around that idea in a future theory. Thanks for the comment and all the best 💚💫🌟

Hi mbris m, thanks for watching and your comment. To answer your question, the timeline split comes from the official word from Nintendo and has had different iterations stemming back from before the release of Skyward Sword way back in 2011. I’m oversimplifying, but up until that point fans had speculated that all the Zelda games might somehow be connected but it was never official outside of references to other titles in game. With the publication of the timeline and the split at the end of ocarina, it put some sense behind the different states of Hyrule and the greater realms but also caused some confusion amongst fans as well. A re edit in 2018 with the Zelda Encyclopedia caused some more debate and, to cut a long story short, the timeline and how it works can be a pretty controversial topic in the community. As you point out, Link can technically die in any game and time travel occurs in other titles - there are reasons why Ocarina is considered slightly different, but I completely get why it doesn’t make sense to most people. Indeed, Nintendos approach with BOTW was to specifically leave it open ended and up to the players imagination which I personally think allows the player to make the connections themselves to prior games without alienating any one idea or theory. Overall, it remains one of the more complicated topics in gaming and I hope this answer goes some way to both acknowledging your perspective whilst explaining briefly the history behind the timeline split. All the best 💚💫

Brilliant comment, and certainly a motivating factor in how this theory came about. I think a lot of people would like to see those threads come together in some way, myself included. Thanks for the comment, I really enjoyed it 💫

This theory is somewhat confirmed in Wind Waker, as it was the goddesses that flooded Hyrule by choice. I would say that the fallen timeline is the timeline of courage as link's spirit has to rise from true defeat to face Gannon and then becomes the most powerful version of himself across the splits. The child timeline is the timeline of power. Gannon makes his largest power play here, and we see the triforce of power intervention in the "devine prank" And the adult timeline is the timeline of wisdom. It's literally called the adult timeline, and in here we see some of the most logical steps twords trying to achieve peace when they figure out that the curse is most likely bound to high rule, and they simply just need to trap Ganon and get out of dodge. Yet, in all three, as i stated, the blood of the goddess and spirit of the hero are united against Gannon, now, he is the only thing that truly hasn't reincarnated, as he remains his memory's as the other 2 lose theirs. Again, just a thought.

Haha! I was waiting to see if you would pick up the mention. I had your comment and a few others from people who were kind enough to leave their dreams and hopes on the thread, so developing a theory that could make any reality a possibility became a bit of a goal. In the brief time we have until we actually know more, there's a tangible reason for anyone's idea to be a reality, even if we all know the one scenario we think up likely won't be what we ultimately see. But that's not the point, and the fact you whipped out the word epic 3 times in one sentence tells me 2 things - firstly I am wrapped you appreciated the call out (because the idea of 3 x Ganon's IS epic), and secondly, saying epic 3 times may have invoked the Goddesses in your favour my friend (fingers crossed anyway!). Personally, if the outcome is nothing like the theory proposes, at the very least, it's a super sweet Easter Egg of how it could be and a way to let people imagine! Oh, and don't worry, I havent forgotten our last thread. I'm working on some stuff in the background as well as swamped in my "real" job, but if it's still cool with you, I'll reach out when I've had a chance to decide on next steps. Thanks mate for the inspiration ;)

Dude!!!! That is a video right there!!! What an amazing idea - totally well thought out and makes sense! Like any theory, never a guarantee - but definitely plausible as a "What if?". If anyone comes out with a video with that idea other than you, I'll be disappointed. Frikkin love that!..not bad for a "Just a thought"!! Darth is currently at one with the Triforce LOL!

@@gamesmiths sorry for the late response, I had a late and long day yesterday. And by all means let me know when your ready to roll like a Gorron and I'll chace you around the caverns all day long XD.

@@gamesmiths my friend, I don't have a RU-vid channel for Zelda, or even theory's for that matter. I would be honored if you would produce it though, as long as I could get credited and potentially work along side you to hammer out details (another good reason for a discord XD). May you live in the ways of the Owl, the Dragon, and the Boar till next we speak.

Sounds awesome to me - I’m in 💫

I’d like to think anything is possible with what we know now, and the Lorule Triforce is a great call - wished into existence from the Hyrule Triforce there may be something to the connection yet to unfold in future events. Thanks for the thoughtful comment - it’s a great idea 👍

Thanks for the comment. In recreating the shape, I found that to be the only way to show the Triforce distinctly separated as it appears to be in the child timeline. You have me intrigued, great stuff 👍

So I need to be 100% honest with this comment - you’ve broken down one of my own theories planned for a future video - but explained perfectly and the visual representation of the fractured mirror was nothing short of perfection. You have a gift and I think your take just wraps it up so well that it should be in a video. I’m humbled by the support and creativity by this community so often, and this is a perfect example of brilliance that inspires me to work harder in providing well thought out ideas that are both interesting and entertaining. Words won’t cut it, but i hope in some way this reply will acknowledge just how great your theory is. You’ve got a fan in me for life!

@@gamesmiths my evidence goes much deeper, but I had to keep my post a reasonable size. Ganondorf is his wisest and most self aware in the wisdom arc or reality. Wisdom also is the only one that sees conventional technology progress. Power features some of the most OP enemies and versions of Link while suffering Ganon the most. Courage even has Link defying the reincarnation in order to train his successor, something only done one other time if you count the old man theory for LBW as canon. I could keep going. BotW is inevitable because just like a broken mirror, the end results are the same, just from different perspectives, and it's possible BotW2 will end with reality being put back together

The Triforce has never been reassembled properly btw. Each point past OoT that has them brought together ends with them going their separate ways again, implying it's still broken.

I have a very similar view of things. I didn't want to force the view in the video, but that's essentially where I was looking at the Triforce down the timelines and the gaps of the chronology, especially moving into BOTW. But then again, I have a theory about how that might play out...

Ahh!!! When you want to applaud but have no audio. Very well put again - seriously this is very much in line with an idea and another take from a fellow Zelda commenter Darth Azgorath which aligned. There's definitely something about this theory in that I now have 3 people who are thinking a similar thing, but with slightly different takes on it. Peculiar and interesting. I need to ponder on that, but in the meantime, love your work! Thanks for sharing more of your insights, a pleasure to read.

Thank you happiness - you’re the best 💚🌟💫

Love it. It would be awesome to see what Fi would calculate as the probability

Thanks for watching. Speaking in terms of the Timelines, one thing I have wondered for a while is the role of New Hyrule in the timeline equations. A little left field, but there's every possibility that New Hyrule is the basis for the BOTW Hyrule and could then explain a lot of the inconsistencies we see. I highly doubt this is the case, but fun to think about for sure ;)

I laughed way too hard at that 😂

Good call - and great spot. Thanks for pointing that out

A well thought idea, love it! And of course, who could argue with a Smith!

I'm glad you liked it and thanks for leaving a great comment. Have a great day!

Thanks Hylian Likely - cool handle btw. Give me a few hours and I think this next one will be even more interesting. Also links to this one and yes, pun intended 💚💫

Well it would make for an entertaining premise, but who knows what they have planned. The team at Nintendo blew us away with Breath of the Wild, and there's a part of me that kinda hopes no matter what I can think up, they'll drop the mic with an even better idea. Thanks so much for watching and leaving your thoughts - have a great day!

Thanks Andrew - some interesting points there in how you work through the logic. You may be onto something - we don’t know when each point in time takes place relative to the other and as in two of the timelines we see the Triforce reunited but the essentially disappear - where does it disappear to? I’m pretty certain we are going to see the Triforce make an appearance even indirectly in TOTK so it should be interesting to see which way that plays out. Thanks for taking the time to leave your thoughts and all the best 💫

Hi RathDragonfang, a great point brought up by a few others in the comments too and one I should have addressed in this video. It’s a hard one to answer in the comments but there’s a few ways the Lorulean Triforce can be viewed. One aspect is the missing fourth or Tetraforce theory (ie the triangle in the middle of the Triforce) which makes a lot of sense in that it’s not physically there but does exist in another realm which I find quite intriguing. I’ve got this on my long list of theories to cover off but thanks for pointing it out and sharing your thoughts 💚💫

LOL! Turn it back on legend, I’m not monetised. As long as you enjoy watching them, I’ll be making ‘em. Stay safe my friend 👍

@@gamesmiths ahh damn, you should definitely be monetized with this crazy quality content, some things with million dollar budgets are worse than this haha

@@basedsoldieroftheglorioust9556 Thanks heaps. It’ll make you laugh to know I had 18 subs for the majority until recently, but I felt pretty lucky just the same. Problem is I’ve got too many ideas and vids to make, and never enough time. Not a bad problem to have I guess. Thanks for watching, and for the chat.

Now that sounds awesome!

I love that intro - your head cannon is all that matters, and I think a lot of people would agree with you too 😊. As much as I’d like to see some semblance of the new and old come together, there’s a strong argument to leaving the interpretation with the individual and hearing so many good theories like this makes me a happy fanboy. Thanks for watching and leaving a comment - have an amazing day 👍

@@gamesmiths There's even more to that headcanon, if you want to hear it! ☺️

@@Damariobros of course! The discussion and ideas are the rewarding part of making the content ☺️

@@gamesmiths I believe that the first wish made upon the Triforce, the wish for the destruction of Demise, hasn't finished yet. I think the entire Zelda series hinges on that one wish. The wish is why it brought Link down to the surface instead of JUST destroying the Imprisoned - it knew Demise would be revived in the past. The wish is why Link and Zelda keep being reincarnated - because Demise's curse causes him to be reincarnated over and over again as Ganondorf and Ganon, the Triforce is reincarnating Link and Zelda whenever Ganondorf reincarnates or comes to power or appears in Hyrule. I believe the Triforce's ultimate goal to fulfill the wish is to have the curse of Demise be broken. That's why it's influenced the events of the games the way it has, and why it's influenced the events in between games the way it has. The timelines have to be re-converged because that's the only path towards breaking the curse. All of its actions and influences have been with the main goal of working towards breaking the curse and destroying Ganondorf. There are limitations. For example, the Triforce of Power, when the Triforce is separated, HAS to go to Ganondorf because it is he who embodies power the most. And it can't just give Link multiple wishes because except for in Skyward Sword, he doesn't have a perfect balance of Courage, Wisdom, and Power. Despite this, it is doing what is necessary to get Demise's curse broken. It's basically playing a million-year 5D Xantos Chess game to be able to fulfill Link's original wish.

Looooove it - this is the kind of theorising that is outside the box and right where I like to ponder. I have a video in the works I think you might appreciate - it has some aspects akin to what you are talking about although a few select differences. The way I plan to deliver it is less of a theory basis and more like a narrative so I’m a little nervous on how it will be received and guarantee it will be controversial, but I’m excited about the idea and your theory further cements my hopes that others are also willing to be open minded about a different perspective. Great work, I thoroughly enjoyed it and it’s a great theory. I really want to say more on specifics you mention, but if you don’t mind waiting a while, we can pick this concept back up. Considering one part in particular is very aligned, would you be happy for me to mention it, citing yourself for credit purposes?

Awesome pic and name! Welcome aboard, and thanks for joining the tribe.

I really like that idea - makes you wonder what she could be capable of. Really cool!

That sounds like a long shot.

Firstly, wicked name - DRAGUN - love it. But if the theory was to play out with some timeline shenanigans, then that might be a possibility, and wouldn't that be the bomb! I love these ideas because they spark the imagination - imagine 3 links (I'm going to go BOTW Link, Wind Waker Link and Twilight Princess Link for some Emo) against their relative counterpart Ganons! How sick would that be. Could imagine them switching up and WW Link getting stuck into Ganon from Twilight Princess. This writes itself I swear. Thanks for watching and leaving this idea, I love it!

Zelda: no way home

I can see your point re: the Fallen Timeline and in many ways, I could see a fit there. But I'd be lying if I didn't wonder about the options of the other timelines, all of them, none of them or, dare I say it, the X factor of something new on the table that changes everything we know. The time travel mechanic is an interesting element that seems to have different rules depending on direction, interpretation and most likely, where the team want to take the series. There's no doubt the producers and directors have had to apply some retrofit to what we now see and stipulate they hope fans will be forgiving in the discrepancies. I can only speak for me, and I'm cool with that. Coming back to your comment though, I'm sold with that idea because somehow being able to address a history and future with narrative would be jaw dropping. I don't know what they'll do, but I really like this idea. I also have to say, "Fallen" timeline just sounds more rock and roll to me, so I think I have a soft spot for that reason alone LOL! Thanks for watching and leaving a great idea. Have a good one

So you had me at Super Ganondorf...what can I say - I'm a sucker for a wicked boss! That and the callback to the OG Legend of Zelda - love it. There's something to be said for how the elements can come together in a way that is satisfying to so many people, and I really enjoyed how you put forward your theory. Thanks for watching and giving me a smile - Reminds me of the Zelda days of old - where you could hang out with mates, talk game, and ignore the noise. Have a good one!

Thanks for your comment. A link to the past occurring in the Fallen Timeline is right after OoT - A link between worlds occurs in the same Timeline and ultimately the Fallen Timeline leads to The Legend of Zelda and The Adventure of Link where the Triforce is reunited. As for the Lorule Triforce, it’s a great call out. My reference point was Hyrule Encyclopedia which shows the Triforce throughout time and does not address the Lorule Triforce in the sequence which may be due to its inherent connection to the Triforce in Hyrule used to wish it back into existence. Debatable of course, but hope that answers your question. Have a great day 👍

A great question and something raised by a few people. It’s something I didn’t touch on in the video and I’ll own that as something I really should have covered off. Being that the Lorule Triforce was born out of the wish made on Hyrule’s Triforce, it could be argued that they are 2 sides of the same coin, albeit in different worlds. But that’s just one version, and it could play a larger role than that. Good pickup, thanks for the comment 👍

@@gamesmiths well I think an incredibly important question to answer for this theory is "exactly how many instances are there of different triforces" assuming your theory it's a minimum of 4 including lowrule. But what about other games that take place outside of hyrule such as mm and oox? Especially since in mm there's imagery of the triforce around stone tower temple Edit: the lowrule triforce was repaired by a wish, but it existed beforehand

Hyrule Encyclopedia was the source for the Triforce whereabouts - p 10 Timeline and following this, the section specific to the Triforce and outcomes in all timelines. It does cover all games prior to BOTW, so as far as anything endorsed from Nintendo, this provided the basis of the theory. As far as the Triforce symbolism in mm - there’s quite a few theories about that. One of the front runners is that it’s a mockery of sorts, but as assets were not reused from OoT, it can be argued there’s more to it. Interesting!

Sen-sational and great point. Hand in the air - I'll own that, you're right. I didn't think to due to the Timeline trail I was looking when the idea popped into my head. I don't even know how that works seeing as it was brought into existence from an existing Triforce (if that makes any sense). Still - definitely should have picked that up and at least covered it! Thanks for picking that up and honestly, well done! Man I love this community!

@@gamesmiths I think you have something with the theory I like it!

@@ArelArts thanks. A relief cause I was fairly sure I’d sound like a crackpot or insightful - naturally the crackpot seemed more likely ha ha. Good call on the Lorule Triforce again - has some thoughts going

LOL! love it. I don't know why but now I have a sitcom theme song in my head for a show "Everyone loves Skull Kid" - super cool

@@gamesmiths ahah ok So basically there's the theory that hyrule warriors is canon and explains the timeline split However the portals from the other timelines all close after the ending However during Linkle's section, skull kid appears as one of the enemies from a portal that should now be closed So I thought "what if the portals were reopened by skull kid in the adult timeline (where link doesn't intervene and skull kid destroys termina) and manages to reach hyrule (a more prosperous dimension) and starts opening more portals who explain the postgame existing at all and would cause breath of the wild There aren't any details about it just the thought that it's technically possible and may explain everything

@@gamesmiths oh yeah forgot to mention that Ravio appears in hyrule warriors so if a portal opens in the main dimension, it also does so in the related parallel dimension, and because wind waker is one of the dimensions opened skull kid may have used the parallel portal from the dimension where he won

@@diamondmemer9754 Ok, so I'll add my small contribution to that very well thought out theory. The blood moon. It does not fit a pattern (Chaotic and dependant on factors including how many enemies killed), is pretty darn important in Majoras Mask....and last but not least, the Lunar Children from Majoras Mask are some of the creepiest encounters in the series...that doesn't specifically help the theory, but they are super creepy...and it can't hurt to consider their relationship to Skull Kid. That's without going into the whole Termina thing and wondering what happened AFTER Link rode off into the Forest Sunset and the Happy Mask Salesman took his weirdness somewhere else. Cool theory - I really like it. I swear I'm going to end up doing fan fiction some day just because this kind of stuff screams awesomeness.

​@@diamondmemer9754 Not bad at all! Like Darth Azgorath, you've put some serious thought behind your idea and it sounds really interesting!

Makes sense to me - I can say that the Zelda Encyclopedia specifically states it remains with Ganon but I get where you’re coming from 😊

Well I figured that it was being abused by Gannondwarf and gotten tired of it

I promise that I find that comment nothing short of brilliant. Well done sir!

@@gamesmiths Thanks. Of course that still leaves the question of how and when Lorules triforce found it's way to Hyrule. It's not impossible considering Hilda's goal was to take Hyrules and bring it to Lorule. So it stands to reason the opposite is possible.

@@5h0ckblock good point. @Diamond Memer has a theory on this in the comments that might be worth checking out. It involves the portal from Hyrule Warriors and I have to say is pretty cool.

Interesting perspective. Four Sword Adventures throws out quite a bit doesn’t it 💚💫

@@gamesmiths indeed. for example, if four swords adventures happened right after twilight princess, then gannondorf would've been remembered as a person of evil. also, in link to the past's game manual for the GBA, you see ganon actually getting out of a magical pyramid-like barrier. the only barrier that we actually see in game is in the end part of four swords adventures.

@@Taios87entertainment I like to think that Ganondorf from Twilight Princess did not die - and he's about to return 😉

@@gamesmiths I believe that's the case as well, just like I believe the timeline remerging would've happened. considering that after zelda 2 adventure of link would've been the focal point for the re-merging timelines

@@Taios87entertainment As the Triforce reunites, so to do our Timelines - same page my friend. Makes me wonder if we will see some Zelda 2 - Adventure of Link influences in TOTK as I suspect we will.

You had me at “What if?” - absolutely could be

Fair enough maxoconner, appreciate the feedback

No idea mate. Haven’t deleted anything on my end. Will look into it when I get a chance. Might be ones held for review

No deleted comments, and not held in review buddy. Happy to look into it further if you have any details to go by. Thanks

@@gamesmiths RU-vid’s deleting comments automatically which contain IG links…. Ugh man… If you use Insta, hit me up in the same name ✌🏽

@@gamesmiths So this was... My initial comment: Re: The tri-Triforce symbology you've pointed out, it appears we've seen this before in the original MM (deleted off the 3DS version) (Insert “Eye-Jee” link here, you can see it in my channel or just Google the image) I believe it symbolises the Triforce of Courage being separated from Wisdom & Power, while Link was in Termina. Similarly, by TP's logic, Power may have remained separated(still dormant within Ganondorf), which eventually brought about the emergence of Calamity Ganon (FSA being a side-story and a different Ganondorf, altogether). What I find strange about the commentary re: Triforce of Power laying dormant in Ganon/dorf, is that in the ending of TP, not only does Ganondorf not resurrect - following Zant's neck snap - is that at the very end, the Triple Goddess statue, with the 3 pieces of the Triforce unified, are focused on. Then in BOTW we get a snapshot of the Triforce when Zelda uses her awakened powers to obliterate Ganon. Not to mention through FSA's development, Miyamoto uncomplicated the plot, by changing the "Triforce" into the "Trident", to not interfere with the events of the Imprisoning War(which since HH, we know is definitely OOT's events). Therefore, I feel like this TP knowledge about the ToP laying dormant within Ganondorf, may be a retcon, with the symbology abs Link's tunic being a nod to the player, as a decorative Easter egg, much like the dormant MM hanging on his wall in ALBW. What I find strange about the Child Timeline is that if the ‘Triforce of Power laying dormant within a dead Ganondorf is true, maybe in the Child timeline, the 3 pieces are (retconned) to never be unified, due to the alteration made to the original timeline, via the Timeline split, instigated by Zelda, to allow the Hero of Time to regain his childhood… (Perhaps the ‘Triforce’ we saw Zelda use in BOTW were simply the 3 sacred flames (held by the Dragons) which she needed to awaken within herself, in order to be able to vanquish Ganon). Perhaps this is also why the theme around everything to do with Link; the arm, the tunic, the energy(similar to the luminous stones) etc are green/ emerald in colour(Triforce of Courage), whereas Malice itself and what appears to emanate from Calamity Ganon/ Ganondorf and what constitutes Malice, is accordingly coloured red(Triforce of Power), while the Shiekah technology-related themes and magical torches etc are coloured blue (Triforce of Wisdom).

@@ausgamecollector Really interesting, I can see how it might be construed similar or different - one of the best things with Zelda is the grey areas open to interpretation which is great for bringing people together to discuss ideas. My take on it, as simple as it sounds now, is that it opened up possibilities that I hadn't considered as potentially viable - and in that way there really was room for any idea to be an option. From a purist standpoint, that probably smacks of non-canon rhetoric, and I'd pay that to a degree. The interesting part about the timeframe we have now is that, until we know any better or worse, possibilities exist. Like TGL Mudora raised - it could be any timeline, it could be none of them at all, and the developers wanted to leave it to the imagination of the player - and for me, as whacky and crazy as it sounds, that suddenly came together with that image, and the metaphorical alignment was to the 3 in their own right struck me as either one heck of a coincident, a cleverly designed Easter Egg, or a nod to suggest something much bigger. Couple that with the way the Triforce "ends up" so to speak as far as we know in the Timelines, and suddenly you've solved what I think is one of the more challenging aspects for the long-term fanbase - a way to reconcile the timelines once and for all, but do it in a way that means everyone is right, and no one is wrong. There's every chance that's my own interpretation, and that's the only way I could explain it, it's my imagination of how it would play out - a solution that respects the massive compilations of effort people have put in to their reasoning without shutting anything down, nor any retcons. Done with the type of aplomb I think Nintendo can do, and they could leave room in that mid-space to tell more stories within any universe, timeline or iteration. In that way, the answers to your well placed questions would lie in the way that would be approached in the sequel. I can say I have at least a few ideas that could be equally viable in my head, and already, some amazingly creative people like yourself have run with scenarios that are compelling. It really makes me appreciate the wealth of knowledge within the community, and humbled to be a part of it. Great stuff!

Great suggestion - I’ll be sure to check it out, thanks for taking the time to let me know, really appreciate it. Have a great day!

@@gamesmiths you're welcome and you have a good day as well. I promise that you won't be disappointed!

Also if you're interested into in-depth lore videos for other video games which will give you more theories that may work for the zelda series, then I recommend to check out two more channels 'Gaming University', 'Max Darret' and 'TheGamingMuse' who makes some of the most interesting Analysis/Symbolism videos I've ever seen done for video games. There videos aren't focused on Zelda, but their videos actually has some theories that may also work for the zelda games as well!

@@willisrose9756 suggestion taken. I’ve got a list already I’m working through but always keen to learn more and you’ve got me interested. Thanks for the recommendations

Very interesting and related to something I’m working on. Serendipitous.

Thanks for the comment - I stopped short of giving my thoughts on the video as to what it could mean - but personally I would hope it would be a validation of the events and games of the past and connecting them to BOTW in a way that opens the various worlds and timelines open for more adventures in the future. But it really is open to interpretation at this point, and you might be on the money!

Thanks for the feedback, I’m sure many would agree with you. Your comment gave me a chuckle too - good description. Appreciate you taking the time to leave your thoughts - have a good one 👍

@@gamesmiths I understand you have to find topics for your videos. I'm not criticizing you for that. Content is content, and at least you went into it open to the fact that this was just speculation without much merit. But something I think we often forget about is how art design often works in video games. The art is done to look cool first and foremost. Stylistic depictions aren't always done for some express lore or story purpose, sometimes it's just that some guy in a studio thought this specific pattern looks particularly neat. It's hard to design clothing trim that doesn't use a repeating pattern, for instance, if you want it to be up-down symmetrical rather than just left-right symmetrical. But if you need topics to cover, how about you cover this? I saw some suggestions in another RU-vid comment on another channel, that some people want a shakeup in the story. They seem bored of the repetitive nature of Demise's Curse coming back to cause a new disaster. It brings to question some really interesting points about the basic foundations of the Zelda universe: The interplay between three recurring characters. Zelda's (Hylia's) descendants, the reincarnations of Link, and the reincarnation of Demise (Ganon). This fits the setting so well. Not only does the rule of threes make sense for an epic fantasy, but it gives reasons to keep coming back. I made the point that if Ganon were ever TRULY sealed away, or destroyed, Link would no longer have an express purpose within Hyrule, he would no longer be reincarnated as a hero each time evil returns to the land. Villains such as Vaati did not require the divine intervention of the hero of the Goddesses to defeat. Neither did Majora. Ganon requires someone to wield the triforce, ultimately, to oppose him for good. That is the purpose of Link, and Zelda is always there to balance Link's potentially reckless courage with her wisdom and guidance, be it in person (OOT, WW, SS, TP) or spiritual (Spirit Tracks, BOTW). They require one another because alone they are too weak. Ganon requires them because he cannot acquire the entire triforce without their unwitting aid each time he tries to acquire it; It rejects him and leaves him with Power only. Link and Zelda must brig him the other two pieces. These are three balancing acts that work wonderfully, and so that is why with the exception of Majora, no other villain is truly as compelling as the man who follows you through the ages to terrorize your descendants. He is a constant threat. You can have a temporary relief from Ganon, but he's always there in the corner, waiting for the next opportunity. When he is TRULY defeated, the series is done. Link is done. Zelda will have her descendants still, but they will know mostly only peace, never facing such trials that would make a game interesting. I think it would be a terrible mistake to simply 'shake things up' for the sake of making things feel 'new' or 'fresh'. Ending the Curse of Demise ends the setting. What WOULD be interesting is if we could explore other places. We know there are other kingdoms, bordering Hyrule. Other landmasses. Holodrum, Termina, and so on. Give us an adventure where we must save Lorule again. See how Termina survived the Great Flood and Calamity (if it did at all), if it even had an impact there. What about Holodrum? It's across the sea, isn't it? The Zelda series always tries to do these time skips to change the setting, to another version of Hyrule and I ultimately think this is unnecessary.

Firstly - what a well thought out comment, thank you. I’m response to your view on the clothing, I don’t disagree entirely, but sometimes the small details are more than stylistic. As I mentioned in the video, I actually wasn’t looking at this for a theory - I was trying to rationalise something very different, in fact more in line with your proposed train of thought, when I hit this issue about how the Triforce was rationalised in past iterations. Well, you get the idea from there, but essentially the notion of validating the past, all timelines, lands, dimensions, narratives, and titles by way of a thread to the history within BOTW struck a chord with me of just how the possibilities you raise could become tangible. If on the minute percentage it were a reality, then who’s to say we are going down the same time-worn storyline? That BOTW could exist to springboard other stories by simultaneously acknowledging the past whilst ultimately challenging the expectations. Without giving too much away, that concept was the focus of my research and thinking at the time, and in many ways still is. I’ve got a few theories I’m working on which explore that further. I appreciate this way of thinking Is not for everyone, and that’s more than fine with me. But personally speaking, if I were driving the narrative, my goal would be enablement. Validation of the lore and history connected to this vehicle that has ushered in a new generation of fans. And from there - anything is possible. Termina, Holodrum, the Twilight Realm, the Minish - everything - exist and are accessible for new stories and gameplay to come. Besides - who’s to say that Ganon is the ultimate antagonist in the sequel? We have a blood moon on our hands, a mysterious ancient tribe of magic welders - for all we know, it could be the tribe who crafted the mask of Majora. Who’s to say the trio as we know today will remain? I certainly don’t claim to know the answer, but I aim to challenge the established view that things have to go in a certain way. And in that sense, I’d say we’re on the same page. And even if you were to disagree, be assured that I respect where you are coming from, and I’d be the last person to claim a side period. I like the creative discussion, and you’ve certainly brought that to the table, so thanks again. I’m going to do what I think is interesting and no doubt generate criticism along the way, which is the only way I know how 😉. Great chat, and I hope you’ll keep the conversation going in future, it’s great to hear that passion 💫

Awww ☺️

I need to learn what I believe you have mastered as an artform. Saying so much without saying much at all. Legend!

@@gamesmiths I'll actually come back and watch your video; I'll tell you what my thoughts/theories might be... (I mean Emojis are basically modern Hieroglyphics and that your eyesight is still good enough you can discern whatever the Emojis are...) Here's my Emoji legend: 🤔 - Something pensive (Thinking) 😀 - Happy 😆 - Something is funny 😐 - No comment 😬 - Something disturbing/cringeworthy

@@Tazerboy_10 sounds great. Look forward to it 👍

@@gamesmiths Dang, it seems like you had your zelda lore/information down... _"A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad..."_ - Shigeru Miyamoto Also, there's nothing wrong with your theory, but I'll just wait for BoTW's sequel to come out and answer the question about Link's clothing; I hate how sometimes people treat new trailer videos and they beat them like a dead horse and theorizing the hell out of them...

@@Tazerboy_10 Indeed, I would expect nothing else, thanks for the feedback 😊

Hi Andres and thanks for leaving your feedback, I appreciate it. Even better, you prompted what was an enjoyable spell of evening research into the mathematical principles of fractal attractive fixed sets and the reproductive qualities at any size or level - fascinating. Then learning about the history - did Sierpinski generate the idea himself or was the theorum a derivative of his observation of mosaic patterns? It got me thinking because if he did, then the pattern being observed and his consequential extrapolation could be viewed in some ways to be an extension of the replication of the pattern he observed - leaping from theory to actual practice. Mind blown! Anyways, back to the video, I completely agree that no-one would draw that pattern if they were applying a self-replicating methodology to the shape. The theory put forward in the video is that we do not have 3 x Stage 1 Sierpinski Triangles (i.e. 3 x Triforces which are united), it is debating that 2 x Triforces are united in their respective timelines, whilst one Triforce (made of the equilaterals) is separated. If you were to attempt to depict 2 x Triforce(s) and 1 x Triforce in disparate pieces, how would that be represented visually. Within a height dimension that is constricted by the height of 1 Triforce ( a metaphor that would imply they are of equal weight), then the representation would look as it is implied in the video. Or at least that's my assertion, doesn't mean it's right. Summarily, the intention was not to demonstrate 3 replications of Stage 1 Sierpinski's (hope I'm saying that right), but to demonstrate 2 x Sierpinski's with 3 very separate equilateral triangles. I hope my explanation put in the terms above goes some way to explaining the approach, and I completely agree that if the theory was based on 3 'united Triforce(s)', the representation in that manner would be false. On an aside, your point on the Sierpinski Triangle was brilliant, and in reading more into it, the fractal nature, if applied to something like the Zelda universe, could imply infinite possibilities and outcomes of all scales, which applied scientifically would make more sense to a genre defining explanation of 'microverse and megaverse' type entities, organisms and even dimensions than you see in things like the MCU. My point here - you should take that idea to Nintendo yourself because that theory applied to the Zelda franchise covers not only the Minish, but anything they want to do, especially with a 3 dimensional logic. Great comment - and thanks again, because it was valuable in learning something new! Have a great day :)