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When you see the shot of the satellite hovering over the now desolate Earth and realize somewhere down there, deep below the surface of the sea in unfathomable depths, poor little Simon is sitting there in complete darkness, alone.
Actually, if he was smart enough he would be able to understand the new form of his existence and the fact that he was immortal, his body wasn't of organic form any longer, so I guess all he would require was the electricity, the problem is the consciousness, what’d u do if you were an immortal diving suit with human consciousness? And again IMHO plenty of options, but first things first, he’d probably adapt and take the reality, and MB he could try to repair Catherine's omnitool and put her consciousness into another diving suit lol some romantic relationships maybe (seeing 2 immortal diving suits making love is seeing of exceptional quality I must say), or she’d probably hate her existence and hate him, and she’d prefer to die (in terms of dying - termination of the “session” of consciousness by simply turning it off and erasing from a device). I think Catherine used Simon anyway because she needed to justify her own existence and in terms of saving remnants of humanity was an inspiring act of heroism.
@@def14molester58 She's been fried due to getting angry and overloading the omnitool, but he can still climb the Omega gun to the Omega platform (someone did that before him) and from there he can try to dive back into the sea and go to other places (if he survives the fall).
Makes me wonder how we will die... chance is, we will kill ourselves in nuclear war one day. But Earth will die when the Sun expands and burns it up. You would get fried in that boiling ocean.
They all died when the comet oblitierated the surface they were living on borrowed time those who survived down on Pathos II. The idea of scanning yoir conscience and putting it in a virtual reality is giving some level of comfort to those who don't believe in reincarnation or passing on to a higher dimensions once you served your purpose in this reality.
There was no "coin toss." It was a lie to give Simon false hope and keep him going. A lie with good-ish intentions... But poor Simon 2 and 3 were never getting on the Ark.
Actually, she explained it to him multiple times. Its Simon that refused to understand and accept the reality of the situation. He knew it the moment he learned about him dying in 2015, he knew it when he saw his copy sitting in the chair. He just couldn't accept it. Catherine wasn't making him false promises, Simon was making himself false promises.
well the weird thing is that the Simon you play as continued into the high-pressure suit. sure its for gameplay reasons. but it also might've been true that the copy gained the consciousness of the old human. and the old version was now just a copy. But it is impossible to say
The deterioration of Simon's mental state when he realizes he is completely alone, forever, on a desolate rock is harrowing. The despearation, the fear, the rage, all of it all at once, the voice actor did a good job of making you feel it, the weight of it all...
Well, if he can pull himself out of his anger, it's not /completely/ hopeless. He may be able to reboot the omnitool. He could walk the barrel to the surface and get a radio going to see if there might be some survivors elsewhere, or establish a connection to the ark. Or try to brave the wildlife and backtrack to the more intact parts of the facility, seek out the less-crazed mockingbirds and help them come to terms with their situation so they can work together on making a few repairs - potentially they could survive for years.
Simon 4's new perspective went from 02:32 to 07:28. It gives you a small sense of what Catherine went through a multitude of times throughout the game's story.
The scene, the music, the little probe just in front of the destroyed unhabitable Earth, the blue Sun... All of this almost made me cry, i can't stop thinking about the human-made structures left on Earth, a huge company below the sea level, two robots who are still thinking and talking in a place wich looks like a hell, and horribles monsters without a capacity to think like a human. Everything was fine, before the January, 14th of 2104, Earth was beautiful and all human were happy and conscious of a *real* life... All this mess, all this depressing history, all of this fucking suffering is because of a comet. A frickin little object from space destroyed all life. This is just unbelievable. Frictional Games just did an wonderful, a magic, an awesome work. Congtratulations to them.
Couldn't agree more. What terrified me in SOMA more than anything in any other game ever was that feeling of wanting to come back home... can you just imagine the mental impact that thought could have on you if it came in this situation? In other games at least there's a place you can call home, people who you can call friends, even if extremely far away.. at least they exist somewhere. But in SOMA, there's nothing... no one... nowhere...
Real talk, This game changes you. 8/10/2021 Edit: The way i said "the game changes you' seemed vague. in more clearer terms the game gave you another vast perspective on how you view the world around you, just some clarification.
TRIVIA: Cut & paste operation in computers work such that the bits on the disk are "copied" to a new destination, and then the original bits are "marked as deleted". So in practice there is never such a thing as "transfer" of data. It is always copied. There is no such thing as the real simon, or the real catherine. Every copy is as real as the original. It's just digital bits, or patterns of carbon hydrogen oxygen nitrogen atoms constituing cells. There is no magic ingredient which makes them real or fake.
One thing can be transferred though: electricity. But there's probably no way to track a portion of it. Also, teleportation via turning matter into light and then beaming it and reassembling it would keep every part of the original there, but we probably have no way of keeping track of it in order to reassemble all of the components back in the exact order they were previously.
@@detonatressm9400 Not sure if you are familiar with electron drift velocity, but the speed of actual electrons moving through circuitry or wire is only a few meters per hour. However the effect of trillions of electrons pushing each other forward creates the transfer of "information". So in practice the field vectors we call electrons move slower in space than an ant.
@@perplexedmoth Even if we can keep track of the electrons taken from a person's matter, can we transform all the matter into electrons and put all of their energy there? There's always a loss of something (energy and matter) from a system every time a process is done, so even if keeping track of everything, it would be difficult to make sure you don't add/subtract from the original bunch, and impossible to confirm if the end result is the same consciousness or a copy of it in the absence of the base consciousness.
If Catherine had been able to, I feel like she would have had Simon #3 die the moment the "transfer" completed, in the way that that one scientist described. That way, only Simon #4 would experience the continuity of life, and Simon #3 would have died believing he was safe
The sadest thing is, when you see the Satellite you realize the complete humanity is gone forever and only exists in VR. And this is not the meaning of living in my opinion 😔
@@mesmer3780 Maybe it doesn't matter. It doesn't have to matter. Humanity is gone, nothing can be done about it. Antjie Coetzee climbed the barrel of the rail gun all the way up to the Omega platform, where she died alone with a book and bottle of whiskey. Good way to go in a hopeless world if you ask me. The Ark is just a longer book and a bigger bottle.
@WungusBill Damn, when you put it like that you're right. I can't really remember whether I left it alive or not, but I probably killed it because it's scary lol
Simon and Catherine have been traveling together for what seems like days, correct? But since Catherine is a brain scan, and every time she's plugged in n' out of a computer, time jumps forward abruptly like a movie skipping scenes. From her perspective is only been a few hours between the moment Simon found her and their ending argument.
I remember playing this game in university five years ago. I was pretty much locked away in my room for a week straight playing it to the ending, I was so immersed. The story was so impactful, and the ending has never left me.
Yes, but they can't meet. 3rd Simon is at the bottom of the ocean under enormous pressure. The elevator he used to descend into the Abyss no longer works, it broke down after the descent, and the suit of the 2nd Simon will simply be torn to shreds when descending into the abyss. Besides, the 2nd Simon will never be able to get out of that room, because he does not have an omni-tool
After the whole hellscape Simon was put through, the ending where he wakes up in the Ark was incredibly cathartic. I remember just being in awe and basking in the environment for a long while. Such a phenomenal game
I felt so empty after completing the game, especially after he begged Catherine not to leave him alone. I remember just sitting back in my chair for the rest of the credits thinking: "Holy shit.."
A perpetual Dyson sphere sounds nice. But we are doomed to die on this planet. The elements that are used to make the most basic of technologies .. they're gone in about a hundred years... that's assuming current production levels, forget about what happens when the "third world" wants two ipads three cars and ten air conditioning units". 40% of Earth's trees are gone. Soon, humans will be gone. We could have used this globe as a stepping stone. Instead, it's a coffin.
For those who watched the Matrix, which I assume most of you did, then it's about people unaware of living in a hypothetical world, a simulation, yet the only thing that made them move on, is the fact that they didn't know. Now I think about it, what if I were in their place? sure, at the beginning anything would seem better than the hell I used to live in, under sea settlements, being chased by a rogue A.I. but then what? at some point I would start getting sick of an alternate reality that I know doesn't exist, at some point I'll wish if I can - just for a moment - take a look at the real world, I might even start asking myself: "what if things are better now?" but the one thing that would kill me is the fact that I will never know. Soon, I'll lose the capability of continuing, and as time goes by, I'll go crazy... But hey, maybe it's just me
I would wanna go home. This is why this game is so horrifying, just think about it, in most if not all other games, there is your home, even if far far away, it still exists. But in SOMA... there's nothing left. Even if you were to find a way back to the past, there would be no point since you'd already know how it's all going to end... and only thing left for do is to remain where you are, surrounded by death and black ocean.
The reason I don't destroy the WAU is because it's the true legacy of humanity. Something that will grow, change, and live on. The satellite is no legacy, it's just a gravestone.
Catherine died after the scan, so she known what Simon are still on Phi and Simon in the «Ark» just a copy of antecedent Simon, but she did not said anything about that to Simon in the «Ark».(sorry for my English)
The one thing that always bothered me is the stupid coin flip analogy. Its a copy and paste, like copying some java code from one computer to another and running it. 2 exist in the same state they did when copied and both are free to be edited independently
The meaning of the coin toss that Catherine speaks of applies to when Simon is born, not when he uploads himself; The Simon who launched the ARK lost the toss the moment his consciousness woke up underwater. The Simon who woke up on the ARK won. Whether it can really be called winning is another question.
the coin toss analogy was a lie to make Simon feel like he had a chance of being on the ark. Simon 3 never would be on the ark because it works as a copy-paste instead of a cut-paste. It would be an entirely different Simon on the ark, one who benefited from the previous simon's hard work
Poor Simon he didn’t deserve this atleast the previous Simon got the pleasure of death Simons a robot he will never die and is gonna be alone down there for all of eternity or atleast until another asteroid hits
Catherine is evil! She did lie to Simon. When he said "we need to get on the ark first" Catherine said we need to launch first. Which is bs because they could have copied and then launched. But Catherine knew that when Simon figured out he was not going on the Ark he may have refused to launch at all. (Btw I like Catherine)
If she had told Simon the truth, probably he would've never launched the ARK. They never had the chance to *personally* get in the ARK, only their copies, and at least they managed to get them inside, so we can see the After-credits scene.
okay. 2 years old. i think catherine did the right thing. she gave whatever was left of humanity a chance to live on the ARK. good of the many outweighs the good of the few, right?
I honestly thought this ending was bull. Simon on Earth is forever trapped on a dead planet thousands of feet underwater alone. I'd kill myself if that was me.
This was a survival story, but I'm getting sick of this notion that every story needs a happy ending. That's bullshit. In real life, survival stories almost never have a happy ending, because most often, people in an emergency survival situation don't survive.
But Simon has been dead for a hundred years anyway by that point..maybe what simon 3 should do is hack into ark, set the program to automatically 'refresh' like a website and shut himself down in the suit just before it does....
When I play this game, I understand and accept my fate and have no problem killing the copy. But I have to comfort my wife when she plays this game, it hits her hard.
I can’t empathize with or relate to Simon’s lack of logic and comprehension when he freaks out. But that’s a result of making him a character, rather than having a “silent protagonist”; something necessary in this game due to how its story works.
Would anybody think “logically”? You’re a reanimated cyborg corpse living on a dead planet all alone. Who in the hell would be like “yeah a bunch of us get to live in space...I’m here...COOL OMG!”
@@JG-xt7yg I think if I were Simon, I would have died from stress overcharge. Plus the part at Theta in that waking nightmare... all the dead, all the tragedies... and no humanity left to fight for...
Not everything is possible but there are many possibilities - I think there can be a bitter sweet ending to both Simons. Obviously the Simon on the Ark is satisfied as far as he knows while the one at sea currently isn't. But despite his issues with accepting the truth no many how many times Catherine tried to explain to him, dispite his angry outbursts I think in time he'd learn to accept his situation and will find a way to keep moving forward. He learnt a lot during his time with Catherine and also during those long pauses of time where he couldn't communicate with her. I think he'd eventually be able to find some way of pressing forward with his existence and may beable to revive at least some of the deceased back to some form of existence. Maybe even reviving some humanity into the monsters who previously tried to kill him and 'bring them back to their sesnses' at least in a way where they won't hurt him. Maybe then he'd feel less lonely and despairing within the remaining time he has left before his power runs out or he can existist decently as long as the Earth is still somewhat structured together and still floating in space.
In the end, 47-48 people were scanned to the ARK. But Catherine was scanned twice. Does this mean there are two of them now, or the first one got overwritten? Freaky.
I remembered the 1997 game... Outpost 2. There is an intro from it on RU-vid ... A similar situation with the death of the Earth, but in the old game "Extinction is not in option". The brutal survival of the remnants of humanity... and hope and success in spite of everything. And now it's sad... good endings are unpopular. Ah, well, "Dead Space 2" - yes, it was cool there.
Plottwist :Another meteor hits the arc But really i cant help but feeling sad and disturbed by this ending and the fact that one day it can be turn into reality make it more emocional Also is kinda a reality in 2017 a few people simulate a the brain of a worm on a lego robot
Dunno what's more dreadful and depressing; Simon nr 3 (copy of the first copy) fate or just the look from the space on Devastated Earth and Satellite; It's not something like Horizon Zero Down project to revive our race and ecosystem. No humanity is gone for good,it's basically a electric letter in a bottle throwed into the void in hope some alien intelligent race will pick it up and learn about us. Iven if they decide to delete those copied minds the knowledge will be preserved. The whole Ark project was to preserve our knowledge and proof of our existence in the universe,still theres no guarantee that the Ark will survive it's journey and calculated time it will support the Eden like simulation where the copied minds "live".
If there's a spectrum of humanity going extinct endings, this is pretty much on the farthest of the bad (depressing side) like on the entirely opposite spectrum of ... i dunnow All Tomorrows where we're immortalized as a race of giant star gods who travel by farting.
A friend and I wanted to make a fanmade continuation from where it left off, inspired by that one photo of Simon 2 riding the Construct while holding a gun. We even had the script and routes planned out, but it would take too long with the game's engine being too clunky and several models needing to be made, and me having other projects to work on. I'll eventually post the story (one version of the routes) somewhere on AO3 since we'll likely never get this to see the light of day. The premise would be "What if Simon 3 escaped to Omega platform, and Simon 2 managed to fix the omnitool in his room and went on a mad quest to reach the surface while getting the Construct, K8, and Simon 3 under his control?"
One of the biggest questions I had when I finished the game was why Catherine didn't just move herself onto the ARK instead of copying it. In the end I suspect that she stayed behind in order to be with Simon and to give him some form of comfort in an empty, dead world, even if it didn't work out in the end.
Because you can't just move yourself. All that happens is some code is created to resemble a human mind, you can't move data only copy and delete the old stuff.
Easy enough: Because she needed to be in two places at once. After copying on to the ark she still needed to stay behind and carry out the launch procedure.
You know a soundtrack is goddamn excellent when you start tearing up when listening to it casually, because of all the amazing and heartbreaking memories it brings back. Frictional Games and Mikko Tarmia, you brilliant bastards!
+Jack Son It has bad (though beautiful) end. Simon on Earth is left alone in the darkness and presumably commits suicide (there is nothing left, 5000 metres under the sea, in a devastated base on a lifeless destroyed planet, only with corpses) while the Ark is, let's be honest, not going to save humanity. Few dozens of human brain scans closed in a metal can, in a dream lie, without any ability to go 'out' or impact outside universe, they are going to go insane before the satellite inevitably expires after few or few hundred thousands of years. I would prefer to die than to be put in this Ark dream-prison. There are three ways for humanity to survive (I don't count Ark as a survival) and all of them are bleak: 1) WAU (if you didn't destroy it!) somehow managing to put itself together and creating new 'humans' from corpses/scans and somehow putting them onto surface. 2) Alien life finding Ark, but the odds of that happening are so extremely low (nearby aliens, just in this moment, just in this system, and friendly and willing and being able to reuse Ark mind scans) it's like expecting magic 3) Humans surviving in some other base on/under/outside of Earth anyway, though that would render the entire plot of SOMA rather meaningless as humanity would survive without Pathos 2 anyway. I loved this ending and story though. Dark, sad, beautiful and thought provoking.
+van der Heist I could not say this better myself. Simon, though. Its so terrifying to be the only one still on the planet. And to hear his voice shakily call for Catherine. Before the screen light left him in complete pitch black. I cant stop thinking about that. It makes my gut feel empty and dreadful. ;-;
I imagine if ever somehow get a second game it would be much the same, except Simon is copied from the ark with Catherine to do the whole thing all over again.
I don't know what's the point of ARK. It's like living in your grave till it's collapse which would happen eventually. Solar panel and chemical thruster does not last for very long.
There is no cut and paste. In computers, cut and paste is actually copy - paste - delete. That's kind of what they did when Simon got into the deep dive suit
Sucks to be manipulated like that. I guess it depends on your playthrough but I think it is reasonable Simon would respect humanity enough to launch the ark into space and go forward with dying in place of the other Simon since there was literally no other way. There was no need to be so deceptive.
The thing is, in this eden they are still doomed to nearly cristian apocalipse. Solar panels will eventualy degrade (on ISS they started to after сouple tens of years) So at some point they will meet with gradual power decrease and slow collaps of their reality. Heck, sounds like a wonderfull idea for SOMA 2 sequel.
They are future-tech solar and the ark was built to last, so it could have a lifespan of hundreds of years. Maybe thousands. And there's an antenna on the front. When all is lost just shut it down and wait - maybe it can float around inert for millions of years in the hope that some aliens or the descendants of the WAU will one day find it.
This was the only plot thread I felt Simon was done a bit poorly. You get the fate that all copies are their own selves when Simon upgraded his suit the first time and he just seemingly glosses over this fact. I felt it would of hit harder if that wasn’t spoiled so early and even possibly played out by other copies and made it a bit more mysterious. Then I think that ending would of hit harder.
I don't understand why his first perception in the artificial world was followed by the continuation of his actions in the underwater base. Wouldn't it be possible for his initial consciousness to suddenly jump to the fourth conscious state in the satellite, or is his brain state copied in such a way that the things he learned follows a continuation of time that can't be disturbed?
Simon and Catherine were scanned over to the Ark in the same manner as the others. Copied. The fourth Simon 'loads' into the Ark from the moment he was scanned. Copy Simon has no break in perception because he's not thinking when he's not 'loaded'. So even if there's a delay from being transferred he'd have no idea from his perspective.
wait a second... that machine with the survey was also in the real world... does tha mean the real world was an ark? An ark within an ark? Thats some serious matrix shit there...
They aren't on the fucking ark, their clones are, WHY NOT JUST PUT THEMSELVES ON THE ARK AND NOT THEIR FUCKING CLONES, IT MAKES WAY MORE GODDAMN SENSE.
I know this comment was made 4 years ago but just in case your still wondering that, they can’t put themselves in the ark they can’t transfer their minds they can only copy and paste.
evilemperordude "I'm sorry you feel that way, Simon. I'm proud of what we did. Make sure something of the hundreds of thounsands years of human history survived-- that something lives on."
I think if i were Simon 3, I would just leave and climb up the barrel of the space gun, try to find a piece of furniture to float on, and just set out to the sea and hope I find land. Explore the rest of the world of the apocalypse with however long my battery gave me.
You'd find omega station, a girl did that, the woman who ran the omega space gun climbed it and reached the the omega station and died there from ash and smog within the day. Simon would live but why would you want to see everything gone except you. Bodies, fallen society, flames, it would make your reality so much more painful.
Probably the most depressing ending in video games history. The way Simon said don’t leave me alone in a secluded place is heart-wrenching. What a thoughtful storytelling!
@@AnonD38 No he hasn't. His life is going on down in the complex, just as the original's life went on in the 20th/21st century. Sure, he has added two new lives to the ark before launching it (launching it is the accomplishment here, IMO), and one of them has his memories and personality, but it's no more connected to him than any other of the consciousnesses in there he never met.
@@Suthek The individual calling himself Simon might have died, but the idea of Simon lives on in his descendants, which in this case are new instances of the individual calling himself Simon. One such instance has helped another instance reach the dream of a peaceful life among the stars. The instance is gone, but Simon remains. Why be sad that your life ends? Be happy that your existence continues in another form. I think that clinging to life as an individual to the point that you envy another instance of yourself is the pinnacle of selfishness. I would gladly give my life if it means another me gets to live the life I always wanted.
+Cridone I watched the Krillin Plays version with that ending. After watching all the different endings, it's possible he edited it that way and I think it's a better ending. No need to be a dick and call people liars.
+Cridone "I'm not calling you a liar! I'm saying I'm going to call you a liar." Lol. I know what you meant. I'm just giving you a hard time. Look up Krillin Plays Soma Finale and skip to the end. You can see it yourself.
@@jorgecabezas1966 But she did, again and again over course of the game. Just like when you found Catherine dead body, when you copied conscience to another model and more so.
@@Neo2Rus Yeah, everyone's acting like Catherine tricked Simon, but she's explained it so many times. In fact, Catherine thinks Simon DOES understand, as shown by how frustrated she gets with the Simon that is left behind not understanding AGAIN after she's explained it several times! Simon is just a fuckin' idiot.
Agreed, I think she just gave up trying to explain, knowing it'd just make him mad again. Simon can't handle the reality of it so he keeps shutting his eyes, and she lets him.
As much as I love this ending, I think the biggest failure of it is having us stay in the Simon who launches the Ark first. They should have had the player get sent onto the Ark first, just like we did with the Omicron version and then after that sequence we're thrown back into the previous Simon and get that scene of him getting angry, and then back into the Omicron Simon for a final gut punch that the original copy we start the adventure out as was left behind.
@@AnonD38 it's meant to be both uplifting and depressing. While the copy that gets sent to the Ark is as real as the original, the original never loses its realness. And in the case of Simon 2, that is the worst outcome
Its not a coin toss, thay was always a bad analogy. Its just a copy, like copying a word document from your hard drive to a flash drive and adding to it. The scan turns a snapshot of your brain into essentially a computer file.
@@thegeth4293 The meaning of the coin toss that Catherine speaks of applies to when Simon is born, not when he uploads himself; The Simon who launched the ARK lost the toss the moment his consciousness woke up underwater. The Simon who woke up on the ARK won. Whether it can really be called winning is another question.
@@sunnylam9902 the simon that launched the ark didnt wake up, he was already awake. Coin toss implies theres a chance dive suit simon can become ark simon when theres not. Its a new instance of simon being created
I never liked the coin toss analogy either. Although more superficially it only refers to the fact that one is in a better situation than the other, and hence the winner and the loser of a coin toss. But nothing more than that. There's no chance factor in it, so coin toss is meaningless. It is a deterministic process, one is copied, and now you have two. No coins are tossed, nor needed. Copies don't have an extrinsic existence to them which makes it as if one could have won the coin toss. Then again, one is in a better situation, and the other is not. And somehow one was "lucky".
And after years.... It's still one of the when not the most heartbreaking ends in history.... Imagine you are there... being alone in this world... unbelievable sad....
The impact triggered firestorms in many areas on Earth with the Iberian Peninsula being severely affected. It ejected enormous amounts of dust and debris into the atmosphere, making it thick and difficult to operate in. Massive tsunamis inundated the coastlines of the Earth's continents. The impact rendered the surface of the Earth completely barren, killing all surface-dwelling life.
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Simon: "Catherine? Please don't leave me alone. Catherine -- Catherine?!"
I actually replay it from time to time. That's how much I love this game. I even search for new playthroughs of people that haven't played it or knew about it at all to see a new reaction to the game and it's amazing
You know damn well for a fact that ending would of hit more if they had shown the ark segment first and just when you thought it was a happy ending they cut to the original two just after the upload+launch and are left with the ark floating above the decimated world.
Simon (or at least an instance of him) together with Catherine (or at least an instance of her) and rest of humanity (or at least an instance of them) get to live the next thousand years in digital bliss, until the inevitable shut down of the satellite and the final actual death of humanity. It's a happy end.
And thus they live happily in a VR program in the satelite........until one wire fails because.....equipment does not last forever and requires maintenance.
@@Rinzeki02 Even if that's true it is mostly because the robots are simply robots and they are limited to their own circuitry + processing power. It's like forcing a modern PC to be human. I am pretty sure not all of the original self is copied and some of the process power is limited to what machine is copied on.
The robot transfers were mostly defective because they were carried out by the WAU. It is programmed to preserve human life at all costs, regardless of mental health, and uploaded any scanned humans it found into inappropriate bodies without any adaptation process. Only two of them came out with sanity intact - Simon because he ended up in a body close enough to human that he could adjust slowly, and Catherine because was already an engineer with a specialisation in neural scanning and simulation and so better able to understand her situation.
