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Sombre Idents - The Ident Review 

Adam Martyn
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Episode 93
This time on THE IDENT REVIEW, we're taking a look at a rare breed of ident that hardly ever make appearances on UK television. Going out after the announcement of the death of Prince Philip, we look at how the BBC, ITV and Channel 4 reformatted themselves, in order to broadcast this news.
Television has always had a responsibility to deliver news to the public, no matter how tragic or hard hitting. In the UK, whilst this sort of breaking news is common, we rarely see the channels change their approach and appearance until the Royal Family become involved.
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@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
If you enjoyed, please give the video a like and subscribe to the channel for more Ident Review episodes! 😁
@titanictotired
@titanictotired 3 года назад
I did enjoy!
@jbtv7955
@jbtv7955 3 года назад
I did enjoy the video it was great
@PhirePhlame
@PhirePhlame Год назад
Did you know? The guy who made the 2014 Newsround graphics has posted the opening & closing animations, including unused ones for "Mundorama" (a proposed Brazilian offshoot that never got off the ground) and somber occasions.
@kasterborous1701
@kasterborous1701 Год назад
"May be some time before we see them again". That aged well.
@dtvfan24
@dtvfan24 2 года назад
Thanks for this Adam, I still remember the BBC ident from back in 97. it always scares when bbc domestic channels says "this is bbc television from london " or "this is bbc television"
@adultmoshifan87
@adultmoshifan87 2 года назад
The only other time I know Channel 4 went sombre, at least in recent years, was when they aired an HD remake of one of their original 80s idents, originally used for Alzheimers Week in 2019, in late December 2020 to honor the memory of the original ident designer, who died that Christmas.
@worldcomicsreview354
@worldcomicsreview354 2 года назад
First time I remember the news interrupting regular broadcasts was the Canary Wharf bombing. Not long after 7/7 they did this kid's show set in fairy tail land or whatever, but also had jokey news broadcasts about it. The first time what seemed to be the news abruptly cut in to a kid's show, I bet loads of parents jumped
@Blubatt
@Blubatt 2 года назад
ITV's sombre ident used a pre-recorded CA, that's why it was upbeat.
@diberhaze
@diberhaze 3 года назад
No logo has ever scared me. But the channel 4 one is definitely unsettling. Creepy, even. Scary if i do say so myself. Terrifying if may be so bold.
@adultmoshifan87
@adultmoshifan87 2 года назад
If anything ever made me feel disturbed, it would be Auction World TV going dark the day the Queen Mother died in 2002 and the black logo OK magazine used for their issues paying tribute to Jade Goody and Michael Jackson.
@Bobbyandmog
@Bobbyandmog 2 года назад
It's like it's dead.
@Lando4Life
@Lando4Life 5 месяцев назад
Yeah I also find the ITV a lil weird like it's just creepin up on u
@RabbitEarsCh
@RabbitEarsCh 2 года назад
I want to thank Apple's retina display for making that ITV logo bright and clear!
@cameronyoungcg9270
@cameronyoungcg9270 3 года назад
Someone said (not sure how true) that the second ITV one is just the Kids Create ident just without the artwork. I think it works well in the context of the Creates ident set. Makes me wonder what the sombre idents for the 2006, 2010 and 2013 sets would've looked like.
@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
I too would have been curious to see Sombre versions of older idents! They don't get showcased too often!
@cameronyoungcg9270
@cameronyoungcg9270 3 года назад
@@AdamMartyn also I agree what you say about the announcer on the first one. I don't think it's wanting to lift spirits or anything, more that he always sounds like that. I'm wondering if he simply can't lower his tone. He has been known to have a few on air mistakes too (once announcing UTV's View from Stormont as "Views from Storm Front"). I think he'd be better suited for ITV2 given his announcing style.
@shinydavidhowell
@shinydavidhowell 2 года назад
Because these seem to be very specifically dug out for royal deaths of significance, we've gone an entire generation without one - and indeed I can't think of any pre-Diana usage of them! (Which might be why the Diana coverage felt quite so suffocating, and if the Queen Mum had died first that might have been notorious too. Instead, she lived long enough - just! - to have her death's broadcast plans tweaked by 9/11.)
@adultmoshifan87
@adultmoshifan87 2 года назад
@@shinydavidhowell as Adam Martyn previously told us, BBC One’s rarely used Ballet ident (part of the Dancers era) was used to announce the Queen Mother’s death, and I can point out that in late 2020, Channel 4 honored the memory of the designer of their original on air look by showing an HD remake of one of his original idents, originally used in 2019 during Alzheimers Week!
@Agnethatheredhairkid
@Agnethatheredhairkid 3 года назад
Definitely not a Royalist (Irish) but losing someone is not very nice and this is very respectful, Adam.
@TheGerkuman
@TheGerkuman 3 года назад
Imagine what'll happen when the queen goes. Even those who aren't fond of her or the monarchy will be affected, but I think a month of this would be overkill.
@CyberLink70
@CyberLink70 3 года назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8-u5nd2GqNE.html
@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
A month of Sombre idents would be wayyyy too long I agree!
@shinydavidhowell
@shinydavidhowell 2 года назад
Hopefully it will end with the funeral but I have no doubt it'll be suffocating right the way until then. (And that's understood to be ten days. Ten days that might feel like ten weeks.)
@zacsilverwood4482
@zacsilverwood4482 2 года назад
@@AdamMartyn the great depression: UK edition
@EssexResident2000
@EssexResident2000 2 года назад
Much will depend on how quickly a coronation ceremony can be organised for Charles (assuming nothing happens to Charles before then preventing him being coronated), but expect 10 days of disrupted schedules when Her Majesty does pass on
@GeoNeilUK
@GeoNeilUK 2 года назад
I think the reason why the ITV announcement was too chirpy and upbeat for the occasion was the BBC and Channel 4 announcements were live and for the occasion, whereas the ITV announcement (at least the first one) was pre-recorded and generic.
@diaquallo
@diaquallo 3 года назад
I love this ident review episode. But i never seen it before. So somber yet so satisfying.
@ben_fpyt
@ben_fpyt 3 года назад
Like the somber feel on today’s video Very respectful.
@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
Thanks man, that's the tone I was going for!
@davimurph
@davimurph 2 года назад
I live in Northern Ireland. When we first started hearing network ITV announcers in 2020, it was really jarring because they were, as you say, far too chirpy all the time.
@adultmoshifan87
@adultmoshifan87 2 года назад
Hope you get a resurrected local UTV once the 2 Irelands unify!
@PhirePhlame
@PhirePhlame 2 года назад
Seems the black ITV logo one depends on the screen. On my phone it was indeed almost invisible, but on my TV it appeared as a black logo on a medium-dark grey background.
@PhirePhlame
@PhirePhlame 2 года назад
My new phone (Galaxy S10+ -> Galaxy S22U) displays it more like the latter. Also, just realized, could it be that what the ITV continuity announcer said was actually all he knew?
@rah62
@rah62 Год назад
1:13 "there's a strict code newsreaders have to follow" - and then you give the most famous example when it *wasn't* followed. The newsreader shown was wearing a wrong colored tie to announce the death of the Queen Mother, and there was a great deal of criticism leveled afterward.
@titanictotired
@titanictotired 3 года назад
Thanks for all these ident reviews recently.
@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
No problem pal! Hope you've been enjoying them!
@ThisIsTEC
@ThisIsTEC Год назад
@@AdamMartyn, I have a question I want you to answer. From 0:06 to 0:53, Do you know what this music is?
@ArtyIF
@ArtyIF 2 года назад
the version 2 itv ident looks like someone rushedly dragged the itv logo model into blender, made the sky black, put a black plane and rendered it lol
@chetapace79
@chetapace79 Год назад
Welp. It happened. We all knew this day would come.
@areasquirrel
@areasquirrel 3 года назад
I didn't see that BBC1 ident. I only caught the BBC blue curtain on the day the death was announced. A variant on the red trailer boards with the colour swirling from Oneness, but the circular layers make it look like it was produced during the last days of the Circles. Maybe it was? I saw the second ITV variant on the funeral coverage. I think the announcer just has a voice that sounds upbeat even when he's being serious. He speaks very slowly like that when introducing UTV News in NI. The first variant really is taking respectful black to the extreme, to the point where it unintentionally becomes comical. It works fine like that with Channel 4 with its moving parts, but not the static ITV. It could have done with the logo being cast in a lighter colour to stand out, but it's almost as if bosses feared it would be accused of looking too jolly if it wasn't all completely black. The second variant addresses this, indeed I wonder if it is actually an existing ITV Creates ident cast in black and white. As for how they come across, compared to previous instances of royal interruption, I think these go so hard on the serious brief that they - again, unintentionally - appear slightly frightening or intimidating rather than sombre. Channel 4's, I saw when I realised Countdown was still being shown on the day of the announcement. It both works and doesn't work for me. It doesn't work because the usual feature of the '2015 Blocks' design, that the blocks move around slightly as if some gravitational force is pulling them around seems inappropriate even with the relatively slow movement of the blocks, and for me the static completed 4 from the news would have been better, or even just the blocks sitting there as they are with no movement. It does work because it has a clear contrast of shades to convey the seriousness of the occasion, and unlike ITV's, you can see the logo, or the block pile, since this is Channel 4. A lot of effort went into these, more so than even in 1997, so praise to the channels for going to the trouble. Though it can be explained by the news being more relevant to Britain, in Ireland RTE One simply ran a regular ident with a serious "You're watching RTE One."
@shinydavidhowell
@shinydavidhowell 2 года назад
I suspect that swirling red ident *was* the Circles sombre ident - I believe we've seen it a couple of times in the past, although the ones I can think of don't precede Oneness. The blue curtain one - the "Family" ident - was certainly stashed for some time, it was visible somewhere on Sky Q at some point several years ago. As for these idents going particularly hard on the serious brief, I suspect Philip being seen as a Category 1 death specifically explains the BBC ones at least. And with the last royal death being the one where there were some complaints about not going far enough, and the distinct possibility of needing to use these for the Queen herself, nobody was going to take chances. Except, apparently, with visibility...
@Let-Me-B
@Let-Me-B 2 года назад
@@shinydavidhowell actually it wasn't a bbc1 ident of the circles era, if you watch a HD capture of the BBC1 sombre ident before the circles start forming you'll see the oneness plain red background.
@EricE549
@EricE549 2 года назад
i just noticed the background music for the review sections was pitched down slightly. that's some great attention to detail right there
@chalmskinnukireland730
@chalmskinnukireland730 3 года назад
Whoop! BBC One Sombre Ident Is More Like A Endboard To Something
@RobTheEnby
@RobTheEnby Год назад
Meanwhile E4 has a purple banner at the bottom of the screen, telling you to switch over to Channel 4 news. Which everyone ignores 😂
@barnbersonol
@barnbersonol 2 года назад
Whenever there's a celebrity death, I bet there's a peak in texts as people message all their contacts with Guess who's dead! We all do it.
@PonyGangPowerGirl2022
@PonyGangPowerGirl2022 Год назад
4:59 Channel 4 Blocks: What's my life?
@PuffyGeminiVictini
@PuffyGeminiVictini Месяц назад
I feel like their head is ferb
@pinedelgado4743
@pinedelgado4743 Год назад
Didn't expect to see the CBS News Bulletin ident/slide or video of Walter Cronkite from the afternoon of November 22, 1963 (JFK's assassination)--and I'm an American. But it's a perfect segue into the overall material presented here. Great job!!
@ridbensdale
@ridbensdale 3 года назад
4:13 looks like ITV let the Work Experience kid design it in LightWave.
@Musydid911
@Musydid911 Год назад
Well... I guess these are going to be in use now.
@conanstudios2612
@conanstudios2612 Год назад
Make another version, focused on the Queen
@adultmoshifan87
@adultmoshifan87 3 года назад
I think the death of princess Diana may have been the first major piece of news I was aware of as a kid. That or the handover of Hong Kong from Britain to China. While looking for ad breaks on RU-vid in the 2010s, I did find some continuity from defunct kids satellite channel TCC (which closed in 1998) from the day Diana's death was announced. Business as usual, but a corner of the screen had text saying to turn to the BBC for an important announcement. One other channel, Auction World TV, actually went dark the day the Queen Mother's death was announced! They just displayed a card with text explaining the situation. You may also remember the black logo OK magazine used for their issues honoring the memories of Jade Goody and Michael Jackson. 2009 was my final year of college! You also remember any programming aired to honor the memory of dead celebs? I hear in 1997, after Wilbert Awdry died, the BBC re-aired the 1995 documentary The Thomas The Tank Engine Man, I also know Channel 5 aired Moonwalker the week Michael Jackson died, Cartoon Network aired Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory shortly after Gene Wilder died, and the weekend after Bruce Forsyth died, Challenge marathoned the game shows he hosted!
@barbarakirk3064
@barbarakirk3064 2 года назад
BBC-4 aired the Meat Loaf documentary 'In & Out Of Hell' when he died.
@clarkejoseph49
@clarkejoseph49 3 года назад
Good thing you didn’t include channel five as the continuity announcer said that the schedule was changing, “In light of recent events” and only have a banner saying what has happened. Sky one was the most disrespectful as it kept it’s programming going.
@JennyAnnTea
@JennyAnnTea 3 года назад
I must say I never saw any of these as I was at work when it happened. The Channel 5 and Sky 1 approach though doesn’t really surprise me for some reason.
@scottwebb1978
@scottwebb1978 2 года назад
@@JennyAnnTea sky has sky news but you would go there for the breaking news but they probably feel notceveryone is a royalist so want some normal programming at least
@NowShut
@NowShut Год назад
Same with Discovery Channel
@pillow89356
@pillow89356 Год назад
These idents were also used following the death of the queen
@ConorDaRobin
@ConorDaRobin Год назад
The original ITV one is pretty scary.
@nurulafser6473
@nurulafser6473 2 года назад
If you put the itv ident at the lowest brightness then you just see the ident. The visuals just cease to exist.
@princewellidk
@princewellidk 3 года назад
The Intro is somber in a way to make the viewers cry about the passing of Prince Philip.
@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
I just wanted a sad sounding theme to mark the occasion! I wasn't actually that heartbroken about the Duke, though I respect it's a loss for his family!
@princewellidk
@princewellidk 3 года назад
@@AdamMartyn also where's Channel 5 Somber Ident?
@cally_44
@cally_44 3 года назад
very interested to see if you're gonna talk about the dreadful ITV sombre ident (the first one not the one used for before the funeral coverage) I haven't seen the full video yet
@alexburgess3841
@alexburgess3841 3 года назад
The second variant of itv looks similar to the itv creates idents.Also R.I.P Philip:(
@CaptainX2012
@CaptainX2012 2 года назад
I recall a Channel 5 ident which was the logo in black but a 3d render, kind of protruding out of the ground, the camera at an angle
@rogerdarthwell5393
@rogerdarthwell5393 3 года назад
Well this is one of these episodes I never expected, but still liked it,BTW you forgot the BBC Family Ident
@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
Good ol copyright got me on the Family one!
@rogerdarthwell5393
@rogerdarthwell5393 3 года назад
@@AdamMartyn Oh no!
@bonziaaron5059
@bonziaaron5059 3 месяца назад
Somber idents also aired on Israeli TV. If i could imagine so...
@amberfranklin4499
@amberfranklin4499 3 года назад
I liked the bbc ballet Ident from the 2000s
@11carbuff19572011
@11carbuff19572011 Год назад
One of the patrons is Daniel Davies, who is the younger son of Dickie Davies of World Of Sport fame no less.
@Khizar597
@Khizar597 3 месяца назад
3:01 I even can't see this logo
@TobStonk
@TobStonk Год назад
wonder what will be this year's sombre ident, considering the rebrand.
@Hgames_RBLX
@Hgames_RBLX 3 года назад
The first ITV sombre ident do be too dark...
@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
It absolutely is 😂
@Hgames_RBLX
@Hgames_RBLX 3 года назад
@@AdamMartyn Yep! And I love how when you were talking about it, you brightened up the background so people can see the logo better!
@smurftums
@smurftums 2 года назад
The channel 4 ident could be best summed up as "we are broken by the news, that we are about to relay"...
@SprinterPlayz
@SprinterPlayz 2 года назад
I like how Phillip’s death announcement was taken from Diana’s death in ‘97.
@davimurph
@davimurph 2 года назад
That BBC1 ident is beautiful
@abbycollins
@abbycollins Год назад
Were there any somber idents broadcasted during the queen’s death? I’d love to see you cover that!
@SeaShantyProductions
@SeaShantyProductions 8 месяцев назад
Pretty much the same, but a few more has joined the fray
@OziiOnTheBible
@OziiOnTheBible 2 года назад
Channel 4's Somber ident shows that the pieces in the ident are in fact dead.
@adultmoshifan87
@adultmoshifan87 2 года назад
The only other time I know they used an ident specially to pay respects to someone’s death was late December 2020: they used an HD remake of one of their original 80s idents to pay tribute to that on-air look’s designer, who died that Christmas.
@OziiOnTheBible
@OziiOnTheBible 2 года назад
@@adultmoshifan87 Is there a video of it?
@adultmoshifan87
@adultmoshifan87 2 года назад
@@OziiOnTheBible I have come across at least one upload of it on RU-vid, December 28 2022 continuity. Channel 4 still mostly business as usual, but they show that throwback ident before a show that night, saying the designer died that Christmas.
@MicahPachirisuGuy
@MicahPachirisuGuy 7 месяцев назад
​@@adultmoshifan87lambie merten no 1 4ever
@minerbloxer6471
@minerbloxer6471 2 года назад
The second itv one resembles an itv creates ident, but made by itv themselves
@ThisIsARubbishName
@ThisIsARubbishName 2 года назад
BBC: yeah alright, I like the muted reds. It's nice. The ITV ones are "scary". However, without the colour, my eyes are not picking out the cursive itv and have gone square. Four is nice. I really like the contrast.
@RebeccaPhythian
@RebeccaPhythian 3 года назад
Great video my love 💕
@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
Thank you my lovely 🥰❤
@purplelouisuttpthdtcedcpvg3212
@purplelouisuttpthdtcedcpvg3212 2 года назад
The music from the intro kinda reminds me of Sky Cine 2000. 🤔🤔
@actiongamingvlogs9226
@actiongamingvlogs9226 3 года назад
Me: Sombre idents are beautiful. (does a minute silence)🙁
@adultmoshifan87
@adultmoshifan87 Год назад
How do you feel about Channel 4, a few days after the death of the designer of their original on-air look, having shown an HD remake of one of the original idents? This was in December 2020.
@actiongamingvlogs9226
@actiongamingvlogs9226 Год назад
@@adultmoshifan87 Honestly I’m sad. He was very creative man and who knows how much creativity he had left in him?🙁
@andresbravo2003
@andresbravo2003 2 года назад
It's so grey (except bbc one ident) who might have been changed after the announcement of the Death of Prince Phillip because it's quite sad and quite impressive for these on BBC One, ITV and Channel 4. Heck, even ITV has the still ident of a dim background that shown a Black ITV Logo at the center and another Ident that showed a slow pan of a grey ITV logo but in 3D because of that model reminds me from ITV Kids Create. Anyway, Long live to Prince Phillip and god bless in UK.
@matthewpayton
@matthewpayton 3 года назад
The UK TV channels get death right
@theothercd
@theothercd 3 года назад
two in one week!?
@AdamMartyn
@AdamMartyn 3 года назад
A rarity indeed!
@johnjtm1097
@johnjtm1097 2 года назад
What happened at Channel 5?
@lloydhughes2389
@lloydhughes2389 2 года назад
What music is being played in the background?
@karlt134
@karlt134 2 года назад
A Video on the Idents for Sky Witness!
@chestnutbloke305
@chestnutbloke305 3 года назад
What's the music at the start?
@bluefalcongaming5946
@bluefalcongaming5946 2 года назад
I Gather channel 5 did not show one?
@jackcrawford3921
@jackcrawford3921 2 года назад
Didn't Channel 5 have a sombre ident as well? If I remember it was just a black Channel 5 ident?
@mikeharris6722
@mikeharris6722 2 года назад
the ITV ones are creepy
@theactualedits
@theactualedits 9 месяцев назад
why is there a dead 4 on the title
@jbtv7955
@jbtv7955 3 года назад
Cool
@danielferris7960
@danielferris7960 2 года назад
It's a shame that the BBC announcer couldn't pronounce the word 'scheduled' correctly.
@messystudios8505
@messystudios8505 Год назад
its a regional thing
@lja8857
@lja8857 3 года назад
You should probably try KISS TV idents The UK Music Channel
@anonymoustipster202
@anonymoustipster202 2 года назад
So, let’s see. BBC One’s ident was quite professional and the colour wasn’t taken out entirely. I think ITV actually did a good job with their ident, having the announcer sound more positive than negative not only helps keep spirits high in a tough time but also doesn’t sound flat-out annoying. Sometimes sounding too sombre and depressing can become very irritating to listen to, you might as well be listening to a singer moaning whilst singing a dreary song. I guess Channel 4’s ident works but the continuity announcer is extremely sombre. He sounds like he’s about to cry but is restraining himself from tears meaning he ends up sounding extremely wimpy and annoying. Not to mention the ident itself looks more like something you’d see when the channel is off air instead of something you’d see before the funeral of an important person who has just died meaning if you can’t hear the continuity announcer because you’re hard of hearing or even just deaf, you might be mistaken for thinking you’re watching a channel which is temporarily going off air.
@karlt134
@karlt134 Год назад
Steps 20 Idents - The Ident Review
@MirkoMazzoni2000
@MirkoMazzoni2000 Год назад
Well, the Queen is now gone... Will those idents return?
@RuthlessAfro4692
@RuthlessAfro4692 Год назад
They have but slightly different
@adultmoshifan87
@adultmoshifan87 Год назад
Channel 4’s Sunday Simpsons still used their Simpsons ident
@trinityb7521
@trinityb7521 2 года назад
I'm surprised nothing like this happened when Ukraine invaded Russia because of how serious the news is
@messystudios8505
@messystudios8505 Год назад
because that wasnt a british national tragedy...
@martinquested5544
@martinquested5544 Год назад
I reckon the "version 2" of the ITV ident will have been a hurried re-make and replacement for the first one, after various people will have said "I can't see anything here at all". Meanwhile I think Channel 4's pile of bricks is completely inappropriate. They should simply show the channel's logo, which was still officially a '4' numeral made out of the bricks, and not do anything 'clever' with it at all. It would be interesting to know what the exact Ofcom etc requirements or policy are and have been for this sort of thing. The reason I say this is that in 1999, the channel then known and branded as "Channel 3 North East" reverted for a couple of days to calling itself "Tyne Tees Television", and even North East Tonight was renamed "Tyne Tees News" IIRC. The graphics weren't changed, but the announcements etc were - which was distractingly jarring. It felt as if either (a) the policy was not to say anything other than the official legal name for the station during a period of mourning, and anything that counted as promotional branding had to be omitted, or (b) they had pre-planned and approved wording for announcements in the event of a royal death, and no-one had thought to update it when the channel got renamed. I do wonder which it was. There used to be videos of this on RU-vid (or somewhere else) but I haven't been able to track them down for many a year since, sadly. My favourite mourning ident, which was how I ended up watching this - even though sadly it didn't feature - was one created for the LWT 1996-1999 branding, in which the logo is fully formed-up but the swirl in the background continues to move, and the 'sparkly' part of the post-form-up soundtrack bed plays. Somewhat sombre, fitting for Diana but perhaps it wouldn't have been considered sombre enough for Elizabeth II.
@user-un9wh1nm6o
@user-un9wh1nm6o 3 года назад
bbc is trying to keep on looks on viewers even a lots of complaints of normal programs did not air,and it's so suprise on channel 4 very likes for viewers to be go on air on normal program,so you think of itv is bad?
@NoName-SEC-B
@NoName-SEC-B 3 года назад
y
@BHAFCboy3456
@BHAFCboy3456 2 года назад
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