Someone Made Paper Mario the Origami King 10X Better! 

I don't think the flat versions of the vellementals should be that main bosses, but the form they take on after the boss battles. It is implied that the vellementals became aggressive due to being folded into origami, so it makes sense for them to be origami during the battle, and flat afterwards

"No, patrick, making an entirely new character isn't a redesign."

The velumental redesigns could be like as if the original velumentals were made from paper and had those designs but were folded by King Olly and became the ones we seen in the actual game. When defeated, they would revert back to their original form and could become an ally for the player.

while i do like the redesigns (i really do, they look so cool), i feel like the great majority of them stray away from or even forget the original purpose of each stationary. they look less like characters i would potentially see in origami king, and more like designs of someone who really wanted the bosses to look like they were from the first two games.

The boss battles in origami king were so cool ngl, I literally love this whole series but I was shocked how creative the gameplay was (even if it was just school supplies lol)

One thing most people missed is what Harry said before he redesigned Vellumentals He mentioned that they were folded into an origami form. This fact shows that they very much could have Harry's designs and still work practically perfect in the game, only taking that form when you beat them

Office supplies aren’t gonna stop me from ranking Origami King as my favorite Paper Mario game

Them just being objects used to hurt paper is kinda the whole point

As a huge fan of Origami King, Harry Gold’s redesigns of the cast cause steam to gush out of my ears like a cartoon character. By themselves they’re neat OCs, but they don’t fit the characters. For example, Hole Punch is vampiric in game, but it’s only a small detail, the main part of his character being that he’s into disco. Harry’s redesign being a vampiric piranha plant only trlls you he’s a vampire. It’s like he asked “how can I turn a hole punch into a creature” when he should be asking “how can I turn Hole Punch into a creature”. This applies to the rest of the legionaries too except for Scissors, but even then they look like they should’ve appeared in Shogun Studios instead of Shangri Spa. The manga redesigns are great since they display the personalities of the characters without removing the charm their game counterparts had. Would I want the manga redesigns to REPLACE the game designs? No, but the redesigns aren’t bad.

problem: these characters not looking the same as the rest of the paper mario universe is essential to the storyline

I do think that origami king is underrated

I actually LOVE the bosses because they’re stuff that has to do with paper and hurts paper like the hole punch and scissors. when I saw the scissors I was so invested I shuddered, cause I knew scissors cut paper and sure enough they cut Mario and kill him instantly. I think it was smart tbh

The origami king without Origami!? I mean should the legion of stationary should folded soldiers?

I don t think that the legion of stationary have to be redesigned.The way their boss fights are structured work because they are boring old office supplies.Without it the gimmick of the fight itself is lost and the way they are defeted is also gone

I personally always imagined the Legion of Stationary having more humanoid designs as opposed to Mario enemy designs. Colored pencils would be this French Napoleon general with a Waluigi mustache and a pencil saber with the colored pencils being different colored medal on his chest. Rubber Band would be like a mixer of Prince Charming from Shrek and Commander Blue from OG Dragon Ball. Hole Punch would be this 70s blaxploitation disco parody with big star shaped sunglasses and would have the 1,000 Fold Arms, but with hole punchers at the end of them. Tape as this rotund mobster with purple overalls, a large blonde pompadour, spiked brass knuckles for the blade of the tape holder and riding an old 50s style car or motorcycle. Scissors would be this heavy armored samurai with a green oni mask and dual wielding the two scissor blades separately before combining them into an actual pair of scissors. And Stapler would be this giant black pit bull or bull dog with staples in place of his actual canines.

In origami king is stated that Olly changed the vellumentals from paper to origami so they can make this designs canon

I like how they changed up the bosses, it's unique, it flows really well in the story, and it's cool seeing these common items become these sentient, giant, powerful monsters, they dont have to be human like to be good, and when nintendo makes the elementals ACTUALLY ORIGAMI (to go with... the entire plot of the story) and UNIQUE by not copying other designs of their already made enemies, people are mad, but when nintendo is unoriginal and just put bowser jr or the koopalings in game, people are STILL mad

Part of the reason I loved the bosses is that they were just art supplies.

My only problem with the Legion of Stationary designs is that they don’t fit the characters in the slightest.The only one who gets even slightly close is the scissors one, the rest don’t fit the characters at all.for example, Imagine any of the lines that Tape says and imagine them in the genie like design he has here. Im not saying these designs are bad, I’m a big fan of Harry Gold they just don’t work for the visions of the bosses themselves

The whole point of origami king s plot is that it s supposed to be origami and origami tools vs flat paper.Taking that away undermines the entire plot

The Legion of Stationary is perfect as it is. Full of personality, actually involved in the plot of their stages. I guess we have to always complain 😅

These "redesigns" dont work 1.he never kept the personilitys of the characters. John pierre (colored pencils) is a french artist who has a high ego, the redisign has a paper pencil wizard. Rubber band is a dancer/proformer who also has an ego problem an the redesign is just macho grubbu. Hole punch is a disco fanatic and thinks hes a good dancer, the redesign is a vampiric paper pirannha plant. Sciccors is o k but make it fit shangri spa and make the shy guy origami and your good (probably). Tape has a mafia personality and loves his tape holder and uses brass knuckles and has a poumpadour, the redesign is a paper tape ghost. I dont like the redesigns for more resons then this 2. The vellumentals are MEANT to be origami making them paper derails the plot, they were peaved at us because they were folded by origami, maybe they can unfold and tell olivia how to fold into th e vellumentals instead of the bibliofold but im still pretty mad about this one

Idk if this is a hot take, but i think this goes against the game's design The fact that they turned scissors into someone that looks like a shy guy whit scissors ruins the fact that in the story scissors cut up Bowser troops, rubber band is a stage performer but now he looks too... Bumbly? There is a reason why the designs are the way they are, just because this game isnt ttwd doesnt mean that the designs are bad, and making them more "uniche" ironicaly makes them worse in the story for me

Theoretically, if Nintendo were creative with the character designs, they could ditch the origami aspect and call it paper Mario: the legion of stationary, or something like that.

My favorite boss fight from paper mario the origami king is the handaconda you had to beat it in rock paper scissors in order to win

Origami king is peak fiction, and it just had its 4th frickin anniversary last week ( though I still wish Nintendo could recognize TOK and celebrate it). It’s a very underrated lil game so it’s quite rare to see pmtok content and video essays, so thx for making this vid!

5:52 Maybe that's exactly what we're looking at. The defeated Vellementals as NPCs returned to normal (or purified as actual characters).

I wish the cool pencil Dimentio was in the game.

Honestly I'd say just give them googly eyes and put something on them. Like give Colored Pencils Tank wheels, Rubberbands an opera-like outfit or viking horns, Hole Punch could just be colored Black and white like the note Tape, a fedora in the first phase and then shades in his second phase, even the Stapler could simply have Googly eyes and Origami dog ears and that alone could work.

I have an idea for the stapler. So basically, a cowboy using two staplers as pistols and when he runs out he smacks you with the staplers.

Hey hey! Seeing as I approached that video primarily from a design perspective, it's really neat to see them analysed through a gameplay lens! New characters wielding/piloting the stationery as you suggested definitely would have been a GREAT way to go about it. Also, the reason the Vellumentals look so friendly is because this is them when they are not folded into angry origami figurines!

Well, i know who folded the vellumentals... This has Olly written all over!

Ironic. I just got a paper Mario: The thousand year door ad for this paper Mario video

You know? If the characters were origami themselves, that would make sense hospital

I hate the word "better" being used in this video. The entire point of the Veullumentals was that they were folded by King Olly and made aggressive, and the point of the Legion of Stationary was that Olly hates regular paper folk, so all of his generals are office supplies and not paper. These redesigns really stray from that, and personally I don't think it is "better" at all. Whether or not it is "better" is subjective, and you shouldn't state it as fact. The story and boss fights do not work if all of them are flimsy, flat, PAPERY beings. The designs are cool, don't get me wrong. But for the context of the game, they do not work.

better is kinda subjective. personally, i loved the object bosses, like the thing cards getting back at mario.

I mean, I thought it was very apparent that TTYD fans absolutely do not like anything about The Origami King.

A few days i serch up pmtok boss redesigns and found some from some pics at riddit the one i was most intersted about was the rubber bands now in the redesign rubber bands is female which in my opinión fits the boss's role a lot better anyways since rubber band was female the main form reflected that the head had a small spot where you can see the eyes of her true form the hair on top was replace with horns and haif of the body was shape around her legs which resumble a skirt and her true form is a squid with holes at the end of her tentacles and was holding on to four stilts

I think these designs are great for a completely different paper Mario game. This would never work in origami King in here's why. Number one the bosses have personalities and themes to go with their specific trait, rubber bands and the entire chapter 2 n is theater I'm sorry but you may be able to fix the boss fight with these designs but the chapter itself will need to be completely redone, and takes away the personality. Number two the whole point of the legion is that they're not paper apologies but it would be incredibly weird for King Ali despising paper beings to have they're loyal commanders to be made out of also like I said before you would need to completely remake every chapter to put these designs in. And by the way colored pencils is the pencil case have to say it one more time. Number three and lastly the e Vlementals they look absolutely awful and completely lose their intimidating personality. From the game it's obvious that these creatures are quite ancient so tell me why in the world would a ancient elemental creature be wearing goggles. I'm assuming that the vlementals were still Giant elemental creatures. And for most creatures in the paper Mario world like this they wouldn't be made out of just paper it would be slightly folded maybe like hocktail but no they're just goofy paper being real fun😒. Conclusion the video where these designs came from is good I like a lot of the designs but the bosses awful trash they should not be around like no now I will say it is pretty difficult to make the legion of stationary into I'm more humanoid form because you wouldn't need to model them. But these designs just don't cut it. But but if you did just get to the end I do like these designs they are well made even though rubber band just looks like chapter 4 and 3's boss for 64 and 1000 Year door respectively and colored pencils looks like dementia but they're so good designs and sorry for this long comment just needed to really explain my issues with a lot of these designs.😅 Bonus. The designs may not be that good the original one people may say that their lackluster but they really made up for that with the character writing in the personality personality or how original or created they are it all depends on the writing and how good it is

Sorry to y'all but for me Origami King is such a masterpiece I played it and 100% it again basically last month and it was such a blast

The issue with the redesign isnt that they dont look good (they look amazing) its just that they are taking away what makes these bosses unique. Its called the ORIGAMI KING, turning what is the namesake of the game into what look like normal every day paper mario enemies takes away how foreign 3D characters are to the paper mario universe. Constantly the folded enemies are (in the eyes of the characters) creepy and unnatural. They move as if they are zombies staggering and jerking about barely moving on their own. And the bosses are seen as these alien characters with alien abilities. Turning them into something familiar takes away from this other worldly feeling they all give off. The Origami King is not trying to replicate the style of TTYD nor is it trying to be a better TTYD. Taking away the one thing this game has that makes it different then every other Paper Mario just leaves it a pretty alright inoffensive addition to the Paper Mario Series.

I think the problem with O.K (Origami King) Battles aren't the bosses, but the common enemies, if fighting common enemies were like a classic mario RPG with level up and fighting the bosses is like the Original game, but the puzzles mechanics and all of that, it could have been great (And maybe adding some original chars and not just toads)

Recently replayed the game, it was the first paper Mario game I ever played, so it has a special place in my heart. If the game had a remake, the characters could be better designed. Paper Mario :The Origami King is truly underrated

The OST goes CRAZY.

Why does everyone always misgender the gosh dang rubber bands she literally sings in an “angelic” voice the first time you see her

Handaconda/Boss Sumo Bro theme is my favorite song in Mario history

You actually like these redesigns? They barely resemble the originals!

I kinda feel like the designs for the pencil case coulda been something more like a giant clam. Would have kept the basic concept still, since the case is a literal clamshell case now. Could have it so when it opened up, it operated the same way, firing out the pencil missles, but it would have given the whole thing a bit more personality yet retained the same weakness. As for the Hole puncher? Make it a giant crab. The claws could have been hole punchers that well.. put holes in you when it did its thing. And you could easily have the same weakness of it being knocked over. In regards to the game as a whole, I agree that the boss battles were the best parts but man the combat system as a whole for the normal fights just grated on me after a while. Felt like the whole thing just took way too long for even simple fights.

Love seeing Origami King getting attention! Wonderful game. Also, I can't believe it's been four years since it came out.

Unpopular opinion, probably. But the legion of stationary being literal stationary: that's the whole frickin point! It would be hypocritical for the bosses to be these flat paper characters when the point of their goal is to turn everyone's 2d figures 3d, like origami. Having them be origami figures themselves would be very passible, though, and I do wish that they could have expanded a little more on their designs. But i still like them how they are, and i still like the designes here.

These look like nice alternative universe designs. I personally dont have the same issues and critisims as holding origami king back with the boss designs, those were fantastic. If anything, the battle system just needed exp points and instead of max hp hearts you could upgrade hp and attack power, with the weapons you find along the way functioning the same. Other than that, less toads, more og characters, and more story on Olly and Olivia, as well as chapter interludes where we'd see what happens at peach's castle after you break each streamer. If we had those, it woild be on ttyd level, but i love origami king for what it is, and the bosses were not something that needed to be fixed.

One issue: The bosses should be in 3D origami, not flat like paper

I agree with the points you made at the beginning of the video. Even though there were things in the game that didn't do well, like: permenent partners, normal battles against origami goons, etc. There were so many things that made the game so good, especially characters and boss battles. And even though this version of Paper Mario: The Origami King looks good, I am fine with the game just the way it is

For stapler boss, I had an idea where the boss would be a Chain Chomplet from Super Mario Sushine. That way it can put the staples on its back and fire them like a staple gun from its mouth. He'd had a stapler remover for a tail instead of the usual chains though.

I was not expecting harry to be talked about by Nin10land of al people

In my opinion Paper Mario Origami King doesn’t need anything to make it better

Eh...not a fan of most of them. The Vellumentals loose their oomph, but they'd make for good unfolded form but the Legion of Stationery? Their whole point is that their SENTIMENT OFFICE SUPPLIES. This just makes them redundant.

They didn't.

ok, so hear me out... maybe the redesigns for the bosses can be repurposed as mini bosses b4 you fight the actual bosses, like they are elite minions for the bosses that olly made to help the stationary.

Origami King is my favorite and I’m getting color splash tomorrow (I’ve played all but sticker star and color splash)

Love paper mario origami king

Okay with the other bosses, you may have a point and those manga designs are fantastic, we should have had those, but the ones we got serve their purpose too. These are Invaders of the Paper Mario World. The fact that they're foreign (non-paper) objects helps display how alien they are. They are essentially the 2d version of an Eldrich being. Or like what the UltraBeasts are for Pokemon.... most of them anyway. That said, you're completely missing the point of the Vellementals. The point is that they ARE Origami! More specifically, they are Deities from the Oragami world. They provide powerups and special attacks that are plot and character relevant to the story. Also, they're clearly based on the four cardinal directions/celestial beasts. They are NOT just random animals. If these characters did not function and look the way that they did then why the HECK would the story called "The Oragami King"? That's like having Sticker Star without stickers (given nobody actually liked Sticker Star's stickers and how they were utilized, but that's Beside The Point!)

The reason that the vellumentals didn’t look very evil and mean is because these were the nice and friendly vellumentals before they were turned into origami and turned evil

I’m fine with the Vellumental design but I think the Legion of Stationary could be great with real unique designs (especially Scissors)

none of these fit the original characters at all so no,,, these arent redesigns

while i do agree some of these designs would be cool designs like the hole punch wouldn't have fit his personality as much as it does in the original origami king imo

I have a problem with these redesigns and you know why

8:38 IS THAT PETEY PIRANHA??? Let’s go

These bosses, due to the fact they're flat, probably wouldn't work within the same ring based battle system. And I honestly couldn't care any less about that, they look absolutely phenomenal, they have such a charming feel to them.

King Olly transformed the nice vellumentals into origami to make them evil

I feel like a lot of the people here are newer Paper Mario fans, because the whole “they don’t feel like Paper Mario” is just completely in accurate. Sure, in modern times they don’t fit it, but the only characters? Yeah they are definitely Paper Mario character designs for sure

I also think it's underrated but I hate the game show name and perfect game achievement it's the one thing I haven't done because of the sudden death I suck at guiding to the right answer under a time and move limit

0:52 to me they don’t need character designs. They’re good the way they are. from a humans perspective they’re not terrifying at all. But from papers perspective, these might as well be the four (are in this case six) horsemen of the apocalypse! To me ilove the fact they’re just moving living pieces of stationary.

I believe that Vellementals can stay the way they are. It's mostly the "Tool squad" that could use a bit of a work. I honestly thought of making the BBEG use the souls/paper spirit (more specifically possibly established kings other than bowser could be those unfortunate souls, since we already have King Bob-omb, Goomba, Boo and to a degree piranha plant in petey the piranha plant. This could also serve to slightly expand on the paperverse by fleshing out the kingdom more than just "Ok here is paper mario 64 and Thousand year door and this is as much good and relevant mario lore as you're gonna get from paper mario") as a power source for the art and crafts tools and when you defeat a "tool boss" you get the "king" as your partner

4:50 That doesn't look like Dorrie from Mario 64. That looks like the later redesign for the GameCube/NDS games

Or better yet, you can still keep the Charater redesign's and make it so the redesigns can take on an Oragomi Form, or for story reasons, you can make them so that way after you beat them they turn back into their normal forms which are the redesign forms.

I like these ideas, but my only problem is the Dracula wielding a hole puncher. Have him be the hole puncher by munching on things and have him cough the punches out by jumping on him like the Perry Piranha fight from Sticker Star. Then the ring tiles have their holes patched up and Mario can go get his punch like the vanilla game

Question aren’t the bosses meant to be 3D

6:52 Dimentio? Is that you?

can you make video that improved bosses of sticker star

Which is the coolest new boss, I like the Dracula piranha plant boss

Why would I think that the hole punch boss be a chain chomp instead

I Like Oragami King Because It Had Unique Boss Battles, And The Game Tried To Be New And Different

If you want another good example of a fan work that makes The Origami King better, you should check out The Origami King Refolded mod too. That adds a ton of unique character designs to the world, greatly increases the roster of enemies to feature many other familiar faces from across the Mario universe, and changes up the gameplay to work a lot more like the older games (more varied attacks, permanent upgrades, cooking, etc). If we could get a version of that mod with the boss designs from Harry Gold's video, we'd probably have the definitive versions of TOK right there. Something with all the great world design of the regular game, and all the charm and characterisation of the Paper Mario games before Sticker Star.

9:32 I actually really like that idea.

Honestly, I loved the boss designs in Origami king. I'm not just saying that to be different, I just genuinely thought they were cool.

It’s funny how people complain about the Legion of stationary being unoriginal despite this being the only game I’ve ever heard of where you fight stationary.

I really like the Scissors reimagining, it reminds me of the Lego Movie, where real world objects with special properties in the Lego universe were called "relics".

Look, I get your point about the design, but I actually believe that the bosses here are fucking amazing. They're not dragons, not skeletons, they are real life office supplies. That is amazing and original

0:54 A game doesn't need every character to be new in order to be good.

7:12 Here's the leeway though. HG uses Fanto (a floating mask) as his face. You can still have that open/close mechanic by having him summon the pencil case during the second half, and then merge with it, where he's part of the large device you now gave to attack. And it doesn't to necessarily be in 3D either.

Harry gold moment 🗿

taking the Origami out of the Origami king doesn’t really make the bosses better, if anything it makes them worse same with the legion of stationary, being a real object made the bosses threatening, like the things from Sticker Star and Color Splash, the physical objects carry a threat in the Paper Mario world, and now you need to fight them, rather than use them to fight it would’ve been better if all of them were like the scissors redesign, keeping the stationary but having a paper character control them instead of just being a sentient object and as others have said, the Velementals would work as their unfolded forms

I don’t like Harry Gold’d designs for the legion of stationary members more, I think they are worse with how they lose some of their character, none of them express their personality or abilities the same, plus it is funny how the biggest war criminals are just office supplies who use their powers for their own entertainment.

11:28 I think that's actually more inspired by "Jiangshi", a monster from Chinese folklore which is basically a vampire hopping with its legs stuck together, and a piece of paper in front of its face.🤔🧟🧛

Perhaps the vullement als DID look like what was shown in the video, but got folded by Ollie in the story.

Which is the best paper Mario game

I think the vellumentals work great as is, but I much prefer your idea of the legion of stationary being weapons that are used by actual characters instead of being characters themselves.

5:23 By the way I like that fire bird. He looks so handsome.

I’m thinking fangame. If anyone makes these designs into a Paper Mario Thousand-Year-Door style game, I would play it