The timing is quite interesting - yesterday, Yellowbird uploaded their review of the Gran Turismo 4 Spec II mod, and one of his critiques of the revised events was the tightening of restrictions of certain ones to force you to use low-end race cars, such as the new dedicated GT300 and GT500 championships in the Japanese events. Given your vast experience of Gran Turismo games, I would love to see your take on the career revisions to GT4 Spec II - whether they've actually improved the progression, to you.
@@jdmsnowmonkey7913 Yeah, I totally get what you guys are saying. I’ve noticed the same thing with the restrictions in GT4 Spec II-like, I get why they did it for the GT300 and GT500 events, but it kinda sucks that it forces you into using those lower-end cars all the time. It takes away some of the fun of messing around with the faster, more unique cars like the RX-7 LM Edition. Gran Turismo has always been about trying out all kinds of cars in different events, and now it feels like we're getting boxed in with these tight limits. I don’t mind a challenge, but I do wish they’d kept some flexibility. Let us experiment a bit more while still keeping the structure of the events. Overall, the progression feels more streamlined, but maybe a little too restrictive for people who like having more freedom with their car choices.
@@TheFurryInShamblesin that sense, it’s a good change, but gt has largely been about the freedom of choosing any car to race with, so you can see how tighter restrictions goes against it
The R8 Gordini is a perfect, maybe the ultimate, example. I love small classics, and the races you're supposed to take them to. But while you can upgrade the Mini to a very near match to the original Touring Car racer and use it, you can't even enter with the R8, which was tailormade for it. Because it's classified as a racecar. Whenever it IS allowed, it's a hopeless thing of course. So outside of my own lobbies I never get to use it. A car I truly cherish. It's there, but you're not allowed to use it if it stands a chance of winning anything.
I wonder if the underrepresentation of GT300 might have something to do with vehicle variety. GT500 is easy to cover. Get the big 3 in, make some different team liveries for each one and you got good representation already (same with DTM). You can go the extra mile by adding some older versions of those cars or adding one of the oddball opponents, but it's not that necessary. While I don't know how it goes with the real GT300, ingame there's barely ever 2 liveries for the same car, making it a much tougher job to get large numbers. Touring cars might again be a bit easier in that regard.
I never understand why PD never added a subcategory for every car based on the real racing spec (tuoring car, Gt1, Gt2, GTE, LMp1, ecc...) so they can create race categorized right. For example an Lmp1 is different from a Group C car, or a GT300 is different from a Group A rally car. With a sub category in the files of the car you can create events specified for each category but also event with the mixed categoies you want
I think their intention was to have as much variety on track as possible which is why you can race cars from different categories of motorsports against each other. That seems like the only logical explanation.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="1085">18:05</a> I know it's a small thing, but I remember back in GT2 when I won my first racing car, it was the Daishin Silvia. I still remember how excited little me was after driving almost nothing but either a modified Celica or 323 for so long... EDIT : <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="250">4:10</a> there it is!
I think they keep getting the lower end race cars only for the sake to say "Hey we have every class existing". Either that or they are using them as more Powerful NFS like builds, which is useless now with the difference that race cars and road cars have in GT now.
Maybe the solution you suggested could go along with a revamping of racing modifications: As you progress in the career some races might require a certain stage of racing modification, which would not be a single upgrade anymore. Then a player would need to think about either spending this money on a road car or trying to save some by comparing it to a pre-built one
in theory the concept cars being included in the supercar festival was intentional: those concepts are "one of a kind" in sorts, which means realistically, only one of their models should be there at a time, it isnt an actual restriction, its a restriction to make i semi-realistic or something
Not to mention that in some cases the real-life performance of a concept car is unknown because the manufacturer didn't put an actual engine in the car because it was built to be a showcase for possible future designs. I wonder if in those cases the designers of the concept cars tell the developers what kind of performance they would like to have from those cars and the developers then try to balance that performance to make it as believable as possible.
The Spec-II mod for Gran Turismo 4 made by TheAdmiester does a bit to fix that issue. In that mod; many prize cars are changed, this is mainly done to make the game more fresh since most of us nowadays know the prize cars already but, and at least in my case, I ended up in my playthrough with one of these "low tier race cars" has a prize while not having any of these top tier models, and honestly it's my first time driving one of these cars outside of the nitch. I also thought the same you mention on this video and used it in a few tarmac rallies and I'll probably use it in a endurance race once I unlock them. They're fun cars to mess around
Gran Turismos are almost all based on possession to dictate cars progression, but racecars are bought only by collectors or by self made drivers if the car id relatively cheap to run. In Gran Turismo running costs aren't an issue: no car is expensive to maintain or complicated to work on, so you might as well buy the fastest thing you can afford. GT forces the player to go through lower classes and that's nice with road cars, because the player makes them competitive, while race cars on arcade games already are. A new progression model could be either via a driver career like Racedriver Grid, or by introducing true running costs beyond chassis restoration and oil change. And in order to let you drive cool cars before you can own them, they can lend one of the opponent cars to you for a smaller price just for that event
I noticed this when doing custom races in GT4. Loading my own opponent lists that the game did not already have with specific track and scenarios, and the result was very fun.
I'm a dragon when it comes to video games and irl, I LOVE TO HOARD STUFF, so for me playing GT was always about building the biggest garage with the most versatile cars in it (except for 1 playthrough in which I bought ever Fiat 500 I came across in GT4; had 75 at the end), so racing for me was always about finding the quickest way to make money, one of the reasons GT4 is my most beloved game as the special missions let you amass wealth super quickly and I could buy any and all cars in the used car dealership to my hearts content; I played GT5 & 6 but I barely any recollection while I can vividly imagine GT4, I also remember being extreme disappointed when I realized in GT5 that redoing the same race paid out less and gave no reward cars, I almost stopped playing then, at like 2hrs in
It never ceases to be jarring in GT4 how suddenly the progression jerks upwards near the end of the Professional League. You could easily handle everything until the Supercar Festival with lightly modified starter cars, maybe some of the better used cars if you need some help. You finally need to either buy a solid Supercar of your own, win one, or tune up a decent sports car like a Skyline or RX-7 for the Supercar Festival, representing a fairly big shift, then immediately afterwards is the Gran Turismo World Championship, all but requiring an LMP. What? Where did that come from? There should have been about five mandatory championships moving you up from entry-level racers like the Lupo cup car or Motor Sport Elise, then up to JGTC 300 or Touring Cars, then up to JGTC 500 or DTMs, then up to some LM cars like the cover car Ford GT, and finally letting you loose on the LMPs. It's insane to go directly from unmodified road legal supercars to LMPs, and every single player finds them undriveable if they haven't played Gran Turismo late game before.
Another issue that these low end touring carss have is also how we tend to play GT. I.E. upgrades over new cars. We tend to minmax getting to higher end cars for things like the Professional and Endurance events. And thus Squeezing performance out of starter cars become ideal. I.E. We don't drive Touring cars in GT...because we end up MAKING a glorified Touring car by midpoint. GT7 especially due to it's massive car customization suite.
Oh, I have thought about it. Way too much, in fact. To the point of making a big Google Doc categorising the racecars from the older games using the Gt Sport/7 "group" system. It's not an ideal system and more of a "how do racing series work in the world of these games" headcanon than something actually useful to play the games, but makes more sense than how the games organise cars themselves.
If PD actually added in a wider range of race cars. We probably wouldn't be in this situation. I'd love for TCR cars to be in the game. A proper dedicated touring car class is needed
Gran Turismo 3 was a tech demo <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="290">4:50</a> for the ps2 hence the lack of content. Forza Motorsport 5 was the same way
Good day sir! May I request a challenge? How far can you get in GT3 w just the Toyota Supra? I played recently and after upgrading it to 10 billion HP I got pretty far! I think it’d be a fun challenge and I always love more GT content! Keep up the great work !
Hey I'm curious have you got the opportunity to be playing other sim racing games. I only ask because AC Evo is coming out it looks to be in my opinion the first serious competitor to Gran Turismo. What makes it unique though instead it will be on PC so inevitably we should be able to get mods which mean making the adjustments do a requesting could actually be a little bit more possible we may actually be able to start having the game we really want. Something with great handling and physics, something with a great career and aggression, something where you can drive the car around and random streets, at a large list of cars.
The only true Touring car eligible for GT4's DTM championship is the 1992 Mercedes 190E Evo 2 Touring car. From 1993 on DTM changed to a very liberal ruleset that allowed for extensive modification vs the road going counterparts. AWD, Active Suspension, trick differentials, and engines that revved to 13000rpm which were only very loosely based on production engines. Mercedes even had movable ballast weights capable of adjusting the cars weight distribution on the fly as needed. The cars essentially became Silhouette racecars capable of insane speeds. GT4 doesn't really do them justice, but for perspective in 1999 Opel took a Calibra V6 4x4 to the Nürburgring 24h for a short 40 lap demonstration run, and the car was lapping about 5s per lap faster than the eventual race winning Zakspeed Viper GTS-R, a full on GT2 class machine. For the series 2000 revival the rules became a bit more restrictive but the cars remained basically full on prototypes draped in road car bodies.
The British championship is for GT cars, while the German Touring Car Championship uses DTM machinery which is just about equal with GT cars in terms of performance.
@@GamersHolyArmy GT4 doesn't really do DTM cars justice, these cars were easily ahead of GT2/GT3 cars and roughly on the level of GT500. In 1999 Opel took a '96 Calibra V6 4x4 to the Nurburgring 24h race to celebrate their 100th anniversary with a demo run, and it lapped the circuit 5s faster than the eventual race winning Viper GTS-R
Roflwaffle your video are so good but idk if its your gameplay in the background but please for ps1 games enable pgxp on the emulator and the <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="969">16:9</a> aspec ratio in gran turismo 3 and 4 please
