Something's Not Adding Up? - The Acolyte Season 1 Eps 4 Reaction 

The flashback episode is presented through Osha’s perspective & memory. The Mae in the flashbacks seems partially built by real memories, but also possibly a narrative that the Jedi fed her to reduce the trauma around what really happened? Like, I wouldn’t be shocked to find out Osha started the fire/threatened to kill her sister/etc… & when Mae fell the Jedi thought “Welp, the good one died, let’s try to fix the bad one by convincing her she was always the good one.”

This show made Jay look upon a ship he actually doesn’t like. They have committed one of the gravest crimes. At least we still have a Wookiee Jedi that can join the team…Oh NOOOO

Mae said that all that walking got her to come to new conclusions. She only found out that Osha was alive just before they left that planet and went to "unalive" Kalnacca. She really hadn't had time to process it, and during her walk to Kalnacca's place, she mulled everything over in her mind and came to her decision. It only seems odd to us because they didn't show the entire several hour trek, but all of her anger and quest for vengeance included the death of Osha, and now that she's alive...yeah some of that anger went away and instead...perhaps joy that her twin is still alive has overwhelmed her.

“I am Yord” in the South Park voice is the single greatest meme to come from this show calling it now.

"That teeth got helmet." 😄

I think Sol is the most emotionally mature Jedi that we’ve seen. I like him a lot.

I very much agree with the point that Mae's choice came out of left field and felt a bit out of place. But I also wanted to commend Jay's point on trying to find something to enjoy in the show even if it's not fully jiving. What I really appreciate about these reactions as a whole is the honesty of opinions but also the choice to be positive. This show has really brought out a truly awful side of Star Wars fans, with so many putting each other down over different opinions and using it as a means of bullying over the internet and I really appreciate Jay and Adams positivity and their commitment to the humorous bits as well as fostering such a wonderful group of peaches that I am thankful to be a part of.

Mae being surprised that her sister was a Jedi is because, if you remember in ep 2, she thought she was DEAD.

It's clear that Episode 3 is Osha's point if view. That episode shows Mae as this psychopath when we know from episode one she isn't. She could have killed the father in the canteen but choose not to when she saw the child. Mae looks happy when she first saw Osha too.

Best Characters From The Acolyte 1. Smilo Ren/Qimir 2. Sol 3. Aniseya 4. Mae (older) 5. Osha 6. Yord Charlie from Emergency Awesome is correct. Yord is comparable to Syril in Andor. Uptight and always plays by the book. I don’t care for Osha and Jecki’s lesbian romance. So to differentiate Mae from Osha, Amandla wears similar wigs but Osha’s hair is shorter. Mae’s hair is shorter at the front but longer in the back. Or they can use one wig and attach extensions on the back for Mae’s hair. Almost every male SW fan wants a character who looks like a badass and wants him to use a lightsaber like a badass which includes a man child like Star Wars Theory who wants Revenge of the Sith be redone 100 more times. Male SW fans were jizzing who Marrok would turn out to be. That’s all male SW fans wants. They want lightsaber duels and the character looks cool doing it. Preferably a white guy like Hayden and they want him to twirl a lightsaber like *Carly* *King* and Ray Park. Carly King is loving The Acolyte. Let’s not hate her for enjoying it. *Sister* *Sage:* Ryan is the first natural-born superhero. And his brand needs to reflect that. He’s not one of Vought’s lab rat freaks. He was chosen - by fate, God, whatever- to be the one who saves the world. *Homelander:* Yes. But let’s not forget why he is special. Shall we? He’s my son. Chosen by God, sure, but, uh… made by me. *Sister* *Sage:* The chosen one narrative only works if he stands alone. Harry Potter. Neo. Luke Skywalker. Hollywood’s trained people to fall in love with *white* *boy* *lone* *saviors.* So, America will want to fall in love with Ryan. Technically, Luke isn’t the Chosen One but he was the reason why Anakin killed Palpatine (or supposedly if you ignore Episode IX). All this bring balance to the Force is a bunch of mumbo jumbo. That explanation of the Force needing light and dark is so vague and esoteric. To me, Luke was the hero of the Original Trilogy because he could’ve killed his dad but he chose not to. Or you can argue Vader pulled back but *love* from a father and son was the real hero of the OG Trilogy. Whining about lore breaking…. They showed fire in space! Mae & Osha undermines Anakin’s birth! Ki-Adi-Mundi broke TPM’s canon! Google search Star Wars plot holes from Yoda training Obi-Wan and not Qui-Gon to Leia seeing her dead mother to having complete amnesia for C-3PO and R2-D2. Why did Obi-Wan take 3 years to send Luke to Yoda? How come the Millennium Falcon wasn’t properly scanned? Vader can’t sense that’s his daughter he’s torturing and had captured twice? Why did Yoda give up so easily in ROTS when he already had the higher ground on Sidious? Why did it take a year to rescue Han from Jabba’s palace? It’s George Lucas making up stuff along the way. George has broke his own canon by adding characters that weren’t there. Ahsoka was the biggest unnecessary addition and Dave Filoni sure loves his baby girl, his waifu. Anakin wasn’t ranked Master yet and he still had his own padawan. She’s basically Rey before Rey. The closest to having live action Mara Jade. Ahsoka was hated early on. Then The Clone Wars got better and now she’s even more beloved than Leia and Padmé. Star Wars is not high art. There’s going to be bozo writing like how Jar Jar keeps getting promoted for higher government jobs. Or how Obi-Wan changes his first name to Ben but keeps his last name and hides Vader’s son in Anakin’s home planet with Ani’s own stepbrother and wife while Luke still uses the same last name. So much inconsistencies in the writing dating back to A New Hope. Star Wars is not coming from Coppola, Scorsese, or Nolan. It’s not Oppenheimer. Treat it like the next Jurassic movie. High expectations is why Star Wars gets judged so harshly compared to something like Star Trek when all Star Wars is involves space monks/samurais with telekinesis and laser swords.

I think Mae’s turn in this makes more sense if one examines it through a couple lenses: 1. The scene of her setting the fire and saying “I’ll kill you” was not actually her. She was possessed, or it was an implanted force vision for Osha at someone else’s doing, something like that. The show, as y’all acknowledged, is holding back information and presenting part of the tale so far as “unreliable narrator” stuff in some fashion. 2. The show gave us a glimpse of Osha doing almost the same thing with the little bird thing - holding it in place with the force. The difference was in the music sting and in how Osha reacted to the moment in the show. 3. Mae’s adult motivation has always been about avenging her sister. Once she found out her sister was still alive at the end of ep 2 (the last time we saw her in the present before this episode) everything changed for her. The struggle (and I understand this being a bit of a beef, personally) narratively surrounding us, as the audience, not getting more insight into her mounting doubt from then til the turn in this episode is simply an exposition issue: she’s *only* been with Qimir, who she knows is not someone she can confide in with her doubts and concerns. All told, I get the gripe about it feeling a bit quick, it settled a bit odd on my shoulders the first time I watched it too, and that’s what a reaction is: y’all’s first watch. Having re-watched the episode multiple times now (3 times watching the full ep in D+ and then all the reactions) it has settled in a little better for me as a point I get, personally. I do understand why it’s rubbing some folks a little weirdly on first watch, though.

Lashy's brain malfunctioned @ 3:10 and now I have spilled my coffee while laughing at him.

I feel like some of the weakness in this show's story is the editing of scene order and how that impacts the pacing. And some of those decisions feel very much in post-production rather than written that way initially. I feel like there's still the perspective of Mae's childhood that helps inform her later turn away from the Master that would have been a better set up for this time. I would not doubt some people coming up with a different scene order for this season that makes it all jive a little better.

I am SO glad to see you guys finally opening up/calling out the writing issues with this show instead of just letting them quietly slide by 👍🏻

I think the main source of confusion is that people correctly assumed we didn't get the whole picture last episode. But people incorrectly assumed which parts of it were false. Personally, I think the vast majority is false. I think the events we saw aren't what actually happened from Osha's perspective, but instead what she remembers happened combined with her current day beliefs and opinions. She was told her sister started the fire that killed her mother. The Jedi saved her life. The Jedi accepted her. So in her memory, Mae is evil, the coven is evil, her mother is both loving, but also completely willing to gaslight and emotionally manipulate her daughter (which is probably because she both misses her mom, but also knows her mother wouldn't approve of her having been a Jedi), and why the Jedi were seen as good, and non-antagonistic. Some scenes, like basically every scene where Osha WASN'T present, are probably reliable. Mae showing up at the Bunts tree not knowing if her sister is alive is reliable. All the discussions between the adult members of the coven sre reliable. Other than that, it's probably all tainted with Osha's current beliefs, and therefore is unreliable. Which would be one hell of a way to do a flashback episode, but I'm not saying I dislike it.

It'd odd that people are seeing Mae's change of heart as not adding up - her whole deal was that she wants to be with her sister. In the past, the Jedi were trying to take her away and then Mae thought she was dead. Now that she knows Osha's alive, her motivation remains the same: be with my sister. I think the show is doing a good job at using our preconceived notions against us, too, because in that flashback, Osha was 'choking out a butterfly' too - it was only Mae who got chastised for it. I think the show is doing a lot of telling you one thing (through the characters stating how they feel and musical cues) yet showing another which is making it really engaging, not straightforward storytelling.

I don't think Mae had a change of heart, I think she feels she could kill the 2 remaining Jedi from within instead of hunting them down. But she already killed 2, so the Jedi wouldn't try to reform her, would they? This doesn't makes sense.

In case it is not on the nail enough for some people..... Basil is a giant mouse-like creature, that is great at detecting things.....

"You will remember today as The Day You ALMOST Caught Qmir,Lord of the Sii.." (gets snared in a simple rope trap)

Adam: They don't KNOW that we know they know we know 😂

i feel like Mae isnt the villain. she was quick to give up her vendetta against the Jedi, but Osha cant forgive Mae. i wonder if Osha started the fire when hallucinating an evil version of her sister, either someone maniuplating her or something else. but in the scene where they fell, Mae seemed different then "ill kill you" Mae. i wonder if the one who fell was real Mae and she thought Osha started the fire. either way love the reaction guys thank you!~

This episode really solidified my theory that we're getting a knockoff of Rashomon. There's too much off with Mae and Osha for it to just be a writing error - it's too deliberate. Doesn't mean it'll be smart (need the rest of the series to make that call), but I think there's a Thing going on we're not privy to yet.

I don't think Mae's flip is a surprise at all -When Mae fought Sol he said "Even now your thoughts go to your sister". I believe her entire motivation for teaming up with a scary master that is threatening to kill her if she doesn't complete a task she sees as impossible, and a slimy smuggler she doesn't know, trust, or even seem to like being around, is to get revenge for Osha. In her mind the Jedi came to steal her twin away, the person she wants to be with as one for the rest of their life. I fully expect to see the Jedi involved in the destruction of the coven in another flashback and she blames them for losing Osha. When Sol notices her thinking about her sister during the fight she screams "MY SISTER IS DEAD!!" Knowing Osha is actually alive and well should absolutely change everything for her. Her actually seeing Osha and having some time to process that, I'm not surprised at all to see her motivation change and she decides to peace out. She didn't seem to really like the situation she was in anyway.

Mae's master probably told her that the Jedi killed Osha

Mae thought Osha was dead. Just like Osha thought Mae was dead. So, of course seeing her alive as ANYTHING shocked her.

I think something happened when the Jedi tested Mae. I don’t know what it is yet, but I think that’s a reveal they’re saving.

My main gripe with this show is, who is the protagonist? Who are we supposed to be rooting for? Mae? She was the character we were introduced to first, but she’s a villain, so why would we root for a murderer. Osha? She’s passive and has no agency as a character. Sol? Is he good? It’s not clear. It just feels like someone telling us a story, instead of letting us follow a character through their story.

We need to talk about The Acolyte. There is a lot to unpack from Episode 4 as I replayed certain scenes over and over and let’s make predictions for Episode 5. Qimir or not Qimir, that is the question… Qimir: How do you kill a Jedi without a weapon? It has to be some sort of test, right? You engage unarmed, but you can use their saber if you disarm them? Or is that cheating? I’m just curious how you’re gonna do it this time. You’ve failed so much. Mae: I didn’t fail. I killed Indara and I killed Torbin. Qimir: But you killed them “your way.” You have to kill the Wookiee without a weapon. Your Master wants you to.. Mae: What kind of deal did you make with him? Qimir: I didn’t. Uh, *we* didn’t exactly. I… I just owe him. You know how he is, he collects people. Mae: I’ve never seen his face. Have you? Qimir: You know I haven’t. Oh, look, there it is. The perimeter. I thought when Qimir said *”we* didn’t exactly” after he said *“I* didn’t” to be strange. Is he including Mae as part of the deal? Why say we when Mae was asking him directly? And then listen carefully to how he said “he collects people.” He said *people* in a serious tone the same way he told Mae that “he’d kill you.” All the tea leaves points to Qimir as Smilo Ren. He changes the topic quickly after Mae asked him if he’s seen the Master’s face. And then his obvious rush to get to Kelnacca (or Kelly as some Redditors call him). Why is Qimir in such a hurry? Because he knows the Jedis are coming? He needs Mae to perform his final task? Is Qimir the acolyte, the apprentice, or the master? Because that Force push was pretty strong. He seems stronger than being only an acolyte or an apprentice. And he floated down like he’s Batman ‘89. Remember the last time we saw Qimir, he was hanging upside-down from a tree. He had the higher ground the last time we see him. But what if Qimir is NOT Smilo Ren even though a majority of us already believe it is him? He did disarm Mae rather easily in Ep 2 and already said the first sentence of the Sith code. But why reveal himself? There is a scene right before Qimir got caught in Mae’s trap that it looked like he really was going to fetch her for more water. Some people are saying he knew it was a trap but I don’t know? It looked genuine right before he got caught upside-down. Mae screamed HELP! and then you see Qimir running towards her with concern in his face. And how he told Mae that he cares. Remember last year when everyone tried to predict who Marrok was in Ahsoka only to find out he’s smoke underneath it? Say we take his word and Qimir has never seen the Master’s face. Then he’s only assuming the Master is a he. What if it’s a she? I’m also reading from some Redditors believing it’s Vernestra. Why does she keep hiding these missions from the Jedi Council? And some think she sent Sol and that crew on a secret mission so they can kill all the loose ends. Of course if it’s Vernestra, it may piss off some SW fans who already know her from the recent High Republic comics from 3 years ago which Lesyle is using it as some of her source material + EU. Not to sound mean but Vernestra has a face I want to slap. Rebecca Henderson is Lesyle Headland’s real life wife, but Vernestra has a face I want to slap. Maybe because she’s green and bald. Doesn’t have a trustworthy face. I saw one Redditor thinks it’s Indara and that she didn’t really die after that opening scene. That she’s the Master. BTW, Manny Jacinto is listed at 5’11 while both Carrie-Anne Moss and Rebecca Henderson are both listed at 5’9. If Trinity is the Sith Lord all along after we all thought she died in the first episode would be quite hilarious. 😂 She could survive that small knife wound if Reva and Sabine can survive lightsaber cuts through their bodies. Let’s say Qimir is Smilo Ren and is the acolyte. He’s using Mae to perform his last test of killing a Jedi without a weapon. That’s why he was in such a rush for Mae to get to Kelnacca. But he killed Kelnacca with a lightsaber. He’s not passing his final test. Mae didn’t technically kill Torbin. He chose death. The poison could be considered a weapon or not but he chose to die. Mae didn’t kill him. I don’t understand Qimir revealing himself against 8 Jedis when he could’ve just left the scene if he knew Mae had a change of heart and was going to rat on him. I do agree with Star Wars Meg that The Acolyte should’ve dropped all episodes entirely ala Stranger Things. I grew up watching LOST (2004-2010) years before The Walking Dead and Game of Thrones, so I can understand the frustrations waiting a week to find out what happens next. A new generation may not have the patience for a mystery show dropping one episode per week. It’s actually quite unfair to judge The Acolyte because we are essentially looking at a puzzle 🧩 with missing pieces to the big picture. It would be like judging only the first half of Knives Out, Glass Onion, Death on the Nile, Clue, or any Scooby-Doo episode before we get to the final reveal. The Acolyte is basically a *whodunit* series. I’m not saying it’s great but it is quite unfair to judge it knowing it’s hiding a lot of things from the viewers. Alex from The Angry Joe Show said the one who killed Kelnacca was Bazil. I know he said it in jest but it was quite peculiar to see Bazil right before Mae found Kelnacca dead. He was not seen for most of that episode. Then we finally see him, Mae finds out Kelnacca is dead. We definitely got robbed not seeing Kelnacca not getting into a fight. What a jip! We get excited seeing a Wookiee Jedi after Ep 2 and we still didn’t get to see him fight for his life using a lightsaber. 🤦🏻 So wrong. The show does look quite cheap. Now where they filmed Khofar was somewhere in Madeira, Portugal. It was quite beautiful but then there are certain scenes to this show that looks bland and cheap. I don’t feel the immersion from it. Coruscant looks bland to me. It looks like a ghost town and it’s only 100 years before TPM. Where’s all the flying ships and tall skyscrapers surrounding the Jedi Temple? A hundred years difference is not going to make Coruscant look that bland and dead. The Acolyte costs $180M when it looks worse than Ahsoka at $105M. Heck, worse than Godzilla Minus One at only $15M. House of the Dragon revealed it’s first episode from Season 2 and that episode at around $20M looks 10x better than The Acolyte. Ahsoka used tons of Volume but I consider it the 2nd best looking among the SW Disney+ series behind Andor ($250M). Some shots in The Acolyte looks like something out of a Star Trek TV series. I don’t agree with Meg’s opinion from yesterday that the Star Wars Prequels looks far better than the Disney+ series. Only Revenge of the Sith still looks decent today but The Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones have showed their age after 22-25 years. Check TPM’s scene between the Gungans vs. Droid Army. Very little green texture. Then AOTC’s Battle of Geonosis looks even more awful to me now than it did in 2002. The SW Disney+ looks better to me because it is mixing real location, Volume, and green/blue screens while the Prequels relied on most of the latter although I did visit The Plaza de España in Seville, Spain. It’s the scene when Anakin is holding Padmé’s luggages in AOTC. That was one of the biggest complaints of the Prequels. Most of the backgrounds didn’t feel real. It was like the actors were put in an animated movie or some video game from the PlayStation 3 era. Episode 5 Predictions? The obvious one is 5 of those 8 Jedis not named Sol, Yord, and Jecki will be redshirted and should be killed right away from Smilo Ren. But what happens then? Call me Chato predicts Sol will be captured and it becomes a rescue mission for Mae and Osha. Or what if Osha is captured and it’s a rescue mission for Sol, Mae, Yord, and Jecki? Or if it’s called Night, Sol (meaning Sun ☀️) dies in it? Smilo didn’t kill Osha but Smilo seemed to toss her away pretty easily with the Force. I think Smilo is going to use her to turn. Maybe that’s why the reveal. Since Episode 4 left us with a major cliffhanger, I think Episode 5’s viewership is going to spike up. As bad as The Acolyte has been, people are still curious who is Smilo Ren and who really killed the lesbian witch coven that we didn’t see in the previous flashback episode since we only saw it from Osha’s perspective. What are the Jedi hiding? Why did Torbin feel so guilty? My money is on Vernestra but I think it’s 90% Qimir. But I want to bet on a longshot. Everyone was dead wrong on Marrok last year. Vernestra is still a fairly new character from the comics/novels. If it’s her, I don’t think fans would get too mad. Now the person who killed the witch coven may not be Smilo Ren. That could be a different character. Manny Jacinto is 38-years-old. But his character might be younger in this series and might be too young to commit killing the witch coven. Smilo Ren? 90% Qimir 2% Vernestra 2% Koril 2% Aniseya 2% Indara 1% Sol’s evil twin 1% Bazil Here’s Vernestra’s convo with Sol. A way of trying to throw us off? Vernestra: I fear Mae is only a small part of her Master’s larger plan. A plan that is difficult to see. Some sort of shift. Something to tip the scales. Vernestra might be the Master and Qimir is Smilo Ren as either the Acolyte or her Apprentice. Episode 5 titled, Night, might be the banger episode we’ve been waiting for! Or it could still stink it up as usual…. What if the last four episodes kicks some serious ass? That’s quite a shift from hating it to loving it. From worst to best in a hurry. It’s like the Prequels, GameCube, and Kobe Bryant during their prime. Hated back in the day but beloved now from a generation who grew up on them.

That Roots joke got me. lol

Thank y’all for still being Star Wars fans despite all the toxicity in the community, & thank y’all for always brightening up our day with your videos!

Also, Jay- I think this is the same ship you liked in Episode 1 (the one that detached from the bigger ship). You’re just seeing it from a different angle.

It's shockingly decent given the reception lol

I get very confused at people who think SW is some big intellectual thought-provoking property. It has always been for entertainment and aimed at kids no? That’s why you have pretty coloured “swords”, fun creatures, kooky droids, ewoks, jar-jar, an obviously bad guy dressed all in black with a deep scary voice… They have always been ‘movies’ not ‘films’. This is a fine series that lots of people worked hard on that some people just want to hate because it is not exactly reminiscent of something they have romanticised from their childhood.

Flying is a witch power isn't it? Dathomiri Witch Talent Tree Flight: "As a swift action, you can spend a Force Point to fly. You gain a fly speed equal to your land speed, and you can ascend at half speed or descend at double speed. The flight lasts until the start of your next turn; if you’re still airborne at that time, you fall." The powers are always a clue.

Hear me out, the Sith is Indara! I think she and her Padawan invaded the coven as Mae started the fire, and used the distraction to kill them all, Sol realized something was up, but never truly believed they did something bad. Indara needed a new apprentice since her's was overridden by guilt before she could lead him down the dark path. We know Jedi are capable of putting themselves into a near death meditative state, something I think she did after force pulling the knife from Mae and stopping it RIGHt before her heart with a force shield, Doubt me, rewatch the scene, look at Mae's face, she was shocked. Now free to move on her own Indara puts things in motion to get to the Wookie first to set Mae up further as the true killer. Think about it Kanacca(SP?) was isolated, probably had no idea she was reported dead, so he would see an old friend and invite them in as they relaxed, Indara strikes, killing him before he has time to react.

The episode could literally have been just the last 2 minutes and we would not have missed anything of the story/plot. I'm always fascinated how there are so many comments trying to figure out what is going on and everybody's motivations etc. Would be amusing if it all turns out to be an unhinged mess that doesn't add up whatsoever. I'm kinda leaning in that direction, actually.

One of the best villain entrances in all of Star Wars

Maybe we are not supposed to see how the Wookie died yet.....

"...that's why there are no Empire Osha guideline rules because she got murdered by a giant rollie-poly bug..." LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the shift in Mae is “you don’t know what you’ve lost til it’s gone.” She thought she lost Osha. All that love she had for her came back. She didn’t want to kill Osha, but she also didn’t want to be separated from her.

Don't forget Mae didn't know her sister was alive. She has been thinking about it and she finally decided that all the things she believed all her life was based on a lie. I would change who I was in that final moment of realization too.

Loving this series so far. Thanks for another enjoyable reaction, guys!

Ki-Adi-Mundi: Your thoughts dwell on your mother? Anakin: My thoughts dwell on your mother Council : ooooooh

Yord gets a lot if crap, but he's really grown on me. He's kind of rules nerd, but his heart seems in the right place at the end of the day.

Was that a South Park reference with “I am Yord, Yord Yord Yord”? 🤣

Come on, Mae. You can't just leave your Master hanging like that.....

Just when the show can't get any worse, a new episode comes out.

We are not getting a complete true past. We’re looking through Osha eyes. Bet we’ll get a real origin and Mae was the victim the whole time.

Mae's buddy is definitely the Master

a solid 8

Normally, the ending when the Sith Lord appeared gave me goosebumps like when I first saw the Alien movie. As for Kiadi-mundi, we know that SW Legends are not Canon. We've already seen this change with Yaddle in Tales of the Jedi. As for Kimiro, I think the same, I noticed that he might not want Mae, just as a textbook, but maybe something more. And as for Mae, since she found out that Oshie is alive and they saw her, her turn would make sense, it reminds me of Vader and Luke in episode 6.

The Jedi did not die. Episode 5 is just a dream sequence of Osha. Ultimately Sol kills Qimir to assume the Sith identity. More Jedi killed on The Acolyte than on the entire Star Wars movies. Fabulous indeed!

What did they spend 180 million on? Clearly it was not sets. Or writing. Or special effects.

THE ROOTS. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

We have yet to see the forest fire that we saw in the trailers and Episode. 1.

It’s not gelling because as a writer the sisters choices actually don’t make sense. They don’t and people going around saying that it’s logical is really irking me.

How could they do my boy Kelnacca like that?! 😭

“They float?” Adam, you forgot, Force comes out the feet.

Not gonna lie, I thought the Sith stabbed Osha when he first ignited the lightsaber.

Okay, Manny is the master, but the helmet is his apprentice we haven't met yet. He's toying with his apprentice for taking on an apprentice of their own.

Adam i have some bad news. Star Wars has a proud history of Space Fires from all the way back to the very first movie. so.... yeah. just sayin'

A lot of things doesn't add up..lmfao..😂

What is up with your outros lately? No more Guacamoles Extra for the Peaches? Your commentary is also way more edited than usual.

I think what bothered me about this episode, and I could be wrong as more episodes come out, is instead of getting a cool villain origin story, we're once again getting a redemption story. It seems like emery time Star Wars introduces a dark character (Mando, Third? Sister, most of the Tales of the Empire characters, and now Mae) they have to almost immediately start turning them good. It's getting old and boring.

Your so right something not add up, I've got two questions for you where Darth Plagueis he must be around and why hasn't Yoda shown up? he must know something is going on.

Just reacted to episode 5 bro im shook! cant wait to seee your reaction!

I think the show would have benefited from applying a fundamental narrative principle: Chekhov's Wookie. "If you show a Wookie Jedi, you need to show him throwing down and not getting punked off-screen."

This show is a murder mystery. These type of stories never go in a straight line. There are always twists and turns, some surprising and some not so surprising. We are obviously going to have to wait until the end.

Dave & Buster coupons. Nice one!

"something doesn't add up" is the perfect review for this entrie show so far. It's not bad, it looks great (except for old Torbin and the Sith), but everything else is either weird or uninteresting. The storytelling is so weird, it isn't fun, there's no sense of urgency, it feels like there are no real stakes (sure 4 Jedi, we barely know or root for, could die ... out of a thousand or something like that?!), the mystery of Osha and Mae is not really interesting because, again, the storytelling is weird. The backstory episode didn't make me go "oh shit what does this mean? Did something else happening? I learned certain things about those characters that makes them more interesting and engaging", nothing. I watched that backstory episode and was just like "hm weird" and that's it. This how to me feels like Doctor Strange 2 felt, it's nice content from its universe, but it isn't a great show ... so far. Maybe they'll give us all the important things at the end and everything makes sense, but the storytelling would still eb bad then....we'll see. I don't want to be too negative, I don't hate this show, but it doesn't grab me, it doesn't pull me in. It's weirdly off.

here's my hypothesis: Mother Koril is the dark lord. somehow she survived when Mother Aniseya and the others didn't. i also feel that the young Mae who talked of burning it all down is not Mae. a projection? a dark imagining? because the Mae on the bridge when it collapsed felt different somehow. that of course is just me. looking forward to next tuesday

I believe Mae has turned and Osha will be turning to the other side. Maybe the Master is her mother and the Jedi kill her and she also finds out the truth about the death of the coven. Osha will turn to the dark side.

I am starting to think Mae’s change in attitude may have something to do with the planet. Osha told Sol that she was starting to sense things again, maybe it is having an effect on her also.

I really hope they ARE holding out some massive twists/important information because if not, this is the WORST dumpster fire of a series that I've ever seen, NOT even just limiting it to Star Wars. Ever seen, EVER. Clearly, SOMETHING happened in episode 3 that they are yet to reveal about how the Witches etc died, but still they're also going to have to explain Mae sudden, undying loyalty to her sister. And until we get the big reveals, to be honest, rather than making me more interested in the show, it's actually just annoying me how they're withholding so much info and just expecting us to hang around until they show us......

Turns out Mae totally misunderstood her master... Offer the Jedi DINNER. Take them OUT, no weapons! Sheesh.

From a certain point of view, Mae succeeded in her quest, by announcing that she was going to defect, the master had to kill Kelnaca. Kelnaca is dead, and Mae didn't use a weapon.

it's not that hard. Mae was angry at the jedi. Mask guy finds here trains her points her at jedi who she want's to kill because her sister is dead oh and threatens to kill her if she doesn't kill them and then she finds out her sister is actually alive. She just wants to be with her sister. She'd be happy to be in jail as long as her sister could visit.

They float now! lol

Personally I think Mae could be baiting Qimir into action, like she thinks he’s the master but forcing his hand to reveal himself by saying she’s out of their deal.

I'm of the mind that the flashback ep was HEAVILY from Osha's perspective. Mae was dialed up to 11 in a way that a kid would perceive.

Ok so something I brushed off in episode 3 you made me think about again saying her drive doesnt seem the same. Now I just thought this was bad sync on the post-recorded audio, but for a second in the views and reactions I have watched of episode 3 it seems like Osha is the one that fell and Mae was calling out to her when the bridge collapsed and not the other way around. Then knowing she was caught with the Jedi, just went along with it and blended in. I know it doesnt make sense because of the forehead marking but I dont know I have been suspicious the whole time.

Prediction: the Master is Zabrak Mom, whose body I never actually saw and who was all about slaughtering some Jedi.

You're right that maes change of heart was out of left field but it fit with the context of episode 3, how attached she is to osha, she comes off vwry obsessive qnd possessive of osha, her life revolved around osha. The jedi taking her away would cause her to be more twisted about it, if i cant have her then you cant behaviour. Alternatively we havrnt seen her perspective or the jedi perspective of what happened either but as bizarre of a choice it feels, its weirdly within character i feel, because mae is i believe to be a psychologically unbalanced person who has feveloped a codependancy, thinking osha was dead would of course drove her towards the thinf that she thought took her away, bow she knows shes alive she thinks she can be all hunky dorey with her again

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What could forgive Mae’s past? Master Indara is alive and The Acolyte! She didn’t kill Torbin or Kelnaca or Indara. Josinto is the real apprentice to The Acolyte. That’s my theory!

I CANNOT look at Dafne Keen’s character without seeing Evan Peters.

They float now?? They float now...

Looking forward to seeing Smylo Ren

Roots, rock and wiener bugs, on my!

"... And murder gibbons,..." A phrase I never thought I would hear spoken aloud.

Adding up how? Like budget vs. show?

I have an explanation. She was a dumb angry kid. They say all kinds of things.

This show and Andor makes me reflect a lot on my enjoyment of Star Wars over the years. I adore Andor a LOT. This show is a very competent Star Wars show and I have mixed reactions to it. So I've thought a lot. I think my core problem is that I find Jedi ... deeply, fundamentally unsympathetic and unrelatable. Their whole everything is SO batnuts. I can't imagine a worse way to create kind, compassionate warriors for peace than to grab young children and teach them constantly to deny and ignore all emotion, to villify attachment and emotion. Like what the what? In the original trilogy, Luke's arc was only partially 'become a Jedi', and the relatively small place of Jedi in the thrust of the narrative worked. Andor had this gritty deep element of HIGHLY relatable themes and characters. Zero Jedi. But this show is ENTIRELY focused and deeply set in Jedi with loads of Jedi roaming around doing Jedi stuff. I have some hope that the story will evolve in interesting ways, but the fundamental problem I have is that I don't give the least sh* about most of the characters or what they are going through. I have some sympathy for the sisters, though it's hampered by all the gonzo wtfery of the setting. I think the only two characters I like despite how unrelatable the Jedi are is Sol and Jecki, because the actors are so charming. So... I'm enjoying Acolyte. Somewhat.

and that WEIRD rap diss - look up Step N Fetchers by Kool Keith- he was onto it many years ago

Thanks, Jay! Thanks, Adam! 🌑 I'm still intrigued with how they're allowing the mystery to unfold. 🔸 That Kel Dor wasn't 'Plo Koon', she's a new character called 'Ithia Paan'.

I think Mae was being controlled by another darkside person when she was a kid. I think the person in the mask is her Zabrat mother and that also was the person that controlled her to set the fire when she was a kid. Do you remember in the first episode when Oshia was seeing her sister and her eyes turned black and she said " I will kill them All". That was not young may talking.

I'm kinda certain the sith lord is Mae's over protective and MOST motivated (Darth Maul)s mom or grandma lookin character...I mean the sith lord had a horn covering helmet and like a disappointed mother looking at a teen kids mess....cleaned up after it by Killin the wookie...just sayin'. Great show Sirs!

I can't think of anything positive to say about this episode so I'll just say after watching a show called Scavengers Reign those bugs wrapped around the trees made me more uncomfortable than they had any right to

Given that the first episode established that Mae was unwilling to kill a witness because they had a child with them, I think that her being softer and more compassionate than her younger self from the flashback is intentional, either because the flashback is actually unreliable and Osha is remembering Mae in a darker light than she actually was, or because Mae's personality shifted when she lost the rest of her family and that trauma has made familial bonds more important to her. I personally think it is the former, because there are moments in the flashback where Mae acts like a totally normal kid and her arguments with Osha are normal, and other moments where she acts like a complete sociopath who doesn't care about Osha's feelings at all, and most of those moments could have just been Mae being scared of Osha leaving her behind, and Osha failing to recognize that.