Sonic Forces with a pinch of salt 

ScottFalco how salty are you,not to be rude

Hey man, I respect your opinion. But don't you think the ending was a bit...excessive?

I hated it and I hated your opinion. Because obviously it was going to be bad. How could creating a character in a Sonic game ever not be bad?

ScottFalco yeah... but this should be a pinch of anything but salt.

I didn't think my opinion would get much attention, though I find crating your own character is cool,I can make a monster (you gotta admit, crating crap is cool)

true.

Dat true

Shadow: yo infinite, ur mom gay Infinite: *loud edgy crying and screaming*

Yeah pretty much

Foxtrot Fallout yeppers

How about "Why cant i shoot myself with my gun i dont want to have bad gameplay please let me die" -Your OC

true but honestly i really love sonic forces but i think there can be improvements such as infinite’s back story, make better stages, or the game play with classic. not only that but the fans push sega to hard.the custom character was actually a big success and sonic’s boost is colorful and the graphics are amazing! but there have been people that people have to many complaints. so because of it i give it a 8/10

FireFoxGaming _ 8/10? oh you use the 7 to 9 scale not the 1 to 10 my bad got confused there

If mania and forces proves the point, it proves that the fans only want the same thing they've been playing for years.

“bUt CoLoRs AnD gEnErAtIoNs WeRe GoOd”

@@FireFoxGaming_ How can you think that? You talk about pretty graphics when the gameplay is trash

SEGA: Sonic's too cool to be seen hurt so ignore the torture part

This line was actually chosen by the localization team for English to make it seem like the stakes were much higher. So obviously, if you switch it to any other language (especially JP), you'll notice the complete *lack* of that line. Several other dialogue changes were made in English to make the game seem more "cool".

@@Blade_the_Cat so switch to another language to get the non edge version. Cool.

*_aRe yOu sUrE aBoUt tHaT?_*

Throw in a Boom and a Lost World to ruin it all.

@@kirbmaster575 Ngl Sonic Lost World was pretty decent. I enjoyed the gameplay and soundtrack.

Solace Basilio I hated it, but we can’t all have the same opinion. I mean, I like Sonic Forces. Like, a lot, so yeah. We all have different opinions.

@@kirbmaster575 Bro ngl same here I actually enjoyed Sonic Forces. I see you're a man of culture as well.

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@@kevinchen5167 this is the first time ive ever seen someone unironically use nerd as an insult

@@yendo1774 You saw absolutely nothing.

@@kevinchen5167 i saw *everything*

@@yendo1774 Well the kid I insulted got mad and my comment got deleted so there is no longer any evidence.

Spoiled

Fireboss 76 how? The game is awful

I feel so sorry for you.

feelsbadman

Daniel von Strangle I think what happened is that the parents weren't aware that Mania is a downloadable-only game, so when they were asked to get Mania, they went to the game store and got the physical version of Sonic Forces. I think that's what happened.

CrazyDolphin Right? Like no one knows what they want from the Sonic Team, so they just tossed everybody what they've been asking for years but with terrible controls and gameplay.

Aqua Purificotta They should just keep one formula and let the fanbase suck it up. They whine and bitch? Fuck it. Forces is the perfect example of you can't please everyone. You have classic sonic but his controls seem like crap and the music is god awful. You failed to please classic fans. They brought in Chaos but he has no relevance what so ever and gets one shot by classic. Adventure fans are not pleased. Then we have the literal boost to win stages that offer two second shortcuts instead of alternate paths. Probably pissed off a few people for lazy level design. And the music, one of the few things consistently good with Sonic games, only has a few memorable soundtracks. Pissed off a good amount of people who expected a great soundtrack. The OC is honestly the only thing they put the most effort in with the wispons and such. In the end they only pleased the Modern fans but even that's a stretch with how brain dead the level design is at points. And the Super Sonic dlc. Oh god that piece of crap. They had the balls to put up the ultimate achievement in a Sonic game behind a price tag on January 23. They pissed off the people who thought this game wouldn't have shitty practices. They pleased very little when they tried to please everyone.

Honestly I feel sorry for Sonic. Whatever Sonic does, people will loudly complain and are never satisfied. (And I know a lot of people loved Sonic Mania but I really couldn't get into it which probably proves my own point.) I do see justified complaints but otherwise, I wonder how Sonic keeps going.

@@cjgg4885 That's probably why mania is a good game. It knows what it is and it does it best

@@cjgg4885 Trying to please everyone is pleasing nobody and the fact is they can't keep a consistent formula with the games. I wouldn't mind Mania or strictly 2D games along with 3D games but I wish they'd stop with this 3D/2D sonic gameplay it looks stupid next to games like Mania just pick a style with one of the other and stop trying to force them together.

Infinite is the Sonic equivalent of Jiren.

@@nellewoodruff6337 But with a bad backstory. Jiren = Everyone he cared about died Infinite = Was called weak

@@internalforce well i mean people have done things similar for almost similar reasons, i think even yugioh had a character or 2 like that, not to mention in history, people like the amazons didnt like being called beautiful or terms you'd use to denote beauty since they wanted to be seen as warriors and not be taken as jokes or their opponents going easy on them because they were women. so being called weak and wanting to defeat said person in a rivalry of sorts would have been fine if they just made him shadows new rival. personally if they really wanted to make him a villain though, they should have made it so either eggman built him using dna from all the main characters and formed them into a single being (like cell from dbz) or just spin one of sonic/shadow's victories in a way where he lost a great deal because of it and wants revenge. heck they could have even just said he got tricked by eggman to help him out

Uhm, Infinite was a bad guy prior to that though...

@@romram7984 honestly, I'd be down for a Cell character in a Sonic game.

Dude, It's *Salt*

Um... Dude, That'll be *SALT*

*sigh* ... dude, you're supposed to push the buttons with the pictures of FOOD on em.

OK MR MaGIc MAn

P I C T U R E O F M O N E Y

*Useless Reply :D*

Pusho haha

But Mario odyssey is actually unique.

This couldn't be any more accurate.

They really did. If you look at the level designers in the credits (If you survived that far-), then you'd see that they had only THREE people in that division. Two of them are completely new, while one was the level designer for Lost World. From the team who made Sonic Colors my ass.

Show, don't tell, amirite?

I thought it would make more sense if infinite was a veteran stuck in the past with severe ptsd from being a mercenaries leader.

If I comment on a bunch of videos will I get internet famous too?

Yknow whats funny? CWC is actually DISSAPPOINTED in sonic forces because he can't create Sonichu properly. sonichu.com/cwcki/IT%27S_DISAPPOINTING

You know you fucked up when someone like CWC hates your game.

Justin Young how do you just *know* what to comment

You need to stop

Agreed

Fireboy die edit: that sounds way more aggressive than I thought

*insert seinfield theme here*

Out, Out, OUT!!!

OF THIS HOUSE

SPEED BOOST

I still don't get why everyone liked those so much.

@WhiteFlagsFly YT the adventure series was the shit

I would've said "copious amounts of rule 34" just to hammer in the joke but ok

@@vizthex No. Go to your corner.

But we have Pokemon...

Gotta go relatively quickly.

Gotta go at a quick jogging pace

Gotta go...pretty quick!

Gotta go so slow that you're practically not moving at all

DECENT SPEED

Cant help but read that as JonTron's "oh my favorite" voice

HELL SPOON this is the FFXIII of 3D platformers. Its like a new genre.

Brian Cook No game should even take it to *this* degree.

YOS

Crimson The Hedgehog I literally can’t tell whether you see the deviantart comment as a pro or con, because it wasn’t supposed to be a pro.

Yep I can see why he’s happy his name is a sonic oc of course he would love the idea of making his character in the game and there is nothing wrong with that

...And by Deviant Art we mean the weird fetish-filled, fandom encompassed, horrible character design part of it... Not the small yet actually good part

@@AquaticLotus7552 All that you're describing is actually the minority, most Sonic art is pretty good or at least decent SFW art even on sites like DeviantArt. It's just that our brains are wired to magnify all the bad and negative and make it seem worse than it actually is. Though personally I don't see the fetish shit necessarily as a negative, it is what it is and I don't like it so I can choose to ignore it to focus on the stuff I actually like.

@@inendlesspain4724 Finally, somebody with more than half a braincell then there's me with my -15

Sadly I know there will be a next time

2D stages are the fucking best dude atlest I dont have to deal with shit like open areas, super mario oddyssey sucked didnt have enough 2D stages they were mostly pixel ones new super mario bros was way beter

lol rip your opinion

SammyTheSamster you like 2d platform stages more than 3d platform and open world games? Suuuure, go play those pixel games if you want too. This is the first time I saw a comment hating about open world and 3d platform stages.

bocodamondo ah c'mon they weren't that BAD, sure I would have like more exploration and branching pathways with rewards for finding unique ways across levels, but I rather still like the 2d sections because quite honestly, sonic works his best in 2d, and with the wisps adding an excellent spin on gameplay, I think colors is one of the best sonic games. The biggest complaint I see is too much 2d, but seeing as how the other games are, id say that's pretty good that's the biggest issue lmao

He has 11 braincells XD

I still freaking love infinite

24 braincells.

57 brain cells

A far better backstory would have been that he was contracted by eggman to get chaos emeralds, but shadow kept foiling him, and right as he is about to finally get one, shadow knocks him down again and does the whole weak thing So he goes to Eggman, who gives him the dark ruby, which corrupts his mind and turns him into a murderous machine with only the goal to show the world how strong he is very similar to the current plot, but with better _motivation_

Actually both games were revealed at the same time. So it was more of, they expected people to love both simply because of Classic Sonic.

_Acclaimed*_ Yeah, classic SEGA bullshit. Mario games are like the prodigy that everyone knows and loves because they do everything with a high, consistent quality. Sonic games are the reject, the outsider than no one really likes, but is still kept around on the off chance that they might be funny once or twice, but no. They just keep on being a disappointment. And the one time they do succeed, they didn't really do anything, shoving their work into the arms of someone else instead.

I don't think it's possible for Sega to release an amazing Sonic 3D game. They need a reboot or something their formula sucks.

"high, consistent quality." -cough nswb series- -cough sticker star and color splash- -cough paper jam-

There're always exceptions.

TheGuyManOrSomething adventure was more interactive than this game.

Haruhi Suzumiya I know!

Because it was.

well every game you mash buttons (except VR)

Even pong is more interacting than this fucking game.

I agree.

Tomanyan And the nyans So kill off Modern Sonic? Good to know *character development is pointless,just keep the cute--* I do like Classic,but too much and it grows stale.

Super Sonic Duo Not kill off modern Sonic, just make a GOOD modern Sonic game.

CeeHoff ik, we just need a good game that isnt classic sonic shoe’d in, (unless generations 2 i guess) sorta like sonic heroes or adventure. I mean i liked the idea of playing as all the other characters like knuckles or tails, not just sonic or... they who will not be named, i like classic and some modern sonic games, its just that sonic in 3D always lack basic polish or try to be classsic with 3D graphics (notably sonic 4) alot of them miss polish and are buggy, not to say they can be good. But in general. If sonic team slowed down ironically. They could make better games!

I say bring back the adventure formula I’m not asking for adventure 3 I mean it would be cool to have an adventure 3 but I’m not begging for it I just won’t sonic games to be more open would like sonic utopia for example but with the game play of to sonic adventure games

Sonic Forces, FORCES!

I saw what u did there.

Yep a Forced disappointment

Mania wasn't out at the time since we knew Classic Sonic would be in the game since it was first announced. It's more because of Generations that Classic Sonic was put in the game. His gameplay was well received in that game so Sonic Team probably went with the logic of "People loved him in that game. Maybe they'll really like this game if we put him in this one too!"

The boost formula CAN work well when it's the focus. (Like in Sonic Colors.) The problem SEGA has is that they always think they need another style of gameplay, which puts less time and thought into the main gameplay style.

RedAngel "oohhhh your the sonic from that other dimension it all makes sense now" - tails Btw he genuinly says this

i need to get some of what the script writers were on while writing this

like that shit has got to be the best stuff ever if they think thats a coherent sentence

Its called spice bitch

ive wanted to know for a while, what anime is that prof pic from?

TopHatBottomBoots Himouto! Umaru Chan is the anime

tyty

Dont watch it, please. Its bad. Real bad. Good for memes and thats it.

Jordan Smith Let him give it a chance, he could actually enjoy it. At the very least, he gets some good memes out of it.

The fans don't even know what they want from Sonic.

Nico #1325 True.

Well, he did put quotation marks... He probably means an army of trucks a Dixon pointed out.

Dragonfruit Inc. This is a *dash* Ok ill leave now

í thínk wє nєєd truckѕ, αnd єvєntuαllч plαnєѕ full σf ѕαlt fσr thíѕ єpíѕσdє.

When did he say that? I seem to have missed it. ._.

Cap'nCinnamonBun what do you mean?

Cap'nCinnamonBun I thought he was just taking a break I didn't think he quit for good they're so funny

Wait, it's canceled? When did he say this?

Damn when did he say this i was wondering where they went

Link The archer link is not and archer and because he is not a sonic fan hes a sonic hater

Link The archer because its as predictable as EA fucking up their games

Chris Koloski look at mario odyssey vid my comment

We saw this abomination and we all let it happened

well... he needed to throw salt into something that isn't mario, cuz odyssey filled him with sugar

OC: No

@@mario-main5540 I personally headcannon that the oc is .exe, (Most likely xeno,) disguised as a normal mobian. Especially the oc in this video.

Especially on that last stage with classic Sonic.

That joke is jankier than the controls

Jade, get out

Pebble Jotaro dies in part 6

Jade hell yeah, I would end my life over a talking blue hedgehog too! 👌

I didn't see a single cannon in this game! You could, infact, say that cannons are noncanon

I'm gonna be that guy and say that there are cannons in Infinite's 2nd boss fight. (I'm aware of the joke though.)

Not really. This games excludes at least 80% of those OCs since you can't just recolor Sonic.

Parrot ! Not true. You can only use one OC at a time. So only one OC can be canon at a time! **thinks highly of self due to point**

Parrot ! Exept the ones that are mouses or horses or bees

How was the shit? The game I mean

Boom boom baby boom boom boom boomer

he put "Pinch" in the thumbnail lol

Rayne Knuckles more like a salt-lick.

You're right there

If you compare anything to sonic boom it’ll look good. If somebody assaulted someone, saying “Well that guy killed someone” wouldn’t excuse your behavior

SoakingSamuel that's the point. Im saying sonic forces is better than boom, of course I'm gonna compare them. Common sense dude.

It's just mediocre. Boom was a terrible game.

JaCrispy76 the thing is that no one had hope on boom, it was a side game, a spin-off, a hit or miss at best. But this was Sega actually trying on their main formula. It is a bigger fuck-up for many of us

You can't polish a turd

Facts

Robert the Komodo Dragon give me that *damn* *fourth* *chaos* *emerald*

Boerger plays Okey

"True dat!" -actual Tails quote from forces that describes my response to this comment

Nico #1325 The fact that that's actually a quote from the game makes me want to die.

fist bump is not good =p

The collectables are what make the game enjoyable

Which part of the last remark are you referring to?

Fair point, but he does do this for quite a few other games as well. So at least it's a shared insult to most stuff he reviews? Then again this game would probably be a lot less hated if Mania hadn't come out and raised peoples expectations of a sonic game again.

Neko Cantus Yeah but People like me actually like forces it just felt i did something wrong by getting it .

Neko, we sonic fans are optimists, but we're also realists. we knew it was never going to be as good as mania. but we also did not hate this game and found fun in it as well.

very true, the same can be said for most sonic games though, each on has their hit that works each has their hit that doesn't, and that's fair. Just a curious question though, is the pc version technically a port? or do the console versions play better? because he did do this on steam

Yeah... but we should've known hype is never real.

StraightPixel nope because people were shitting on it even before the game was released

FurySoul _ really? Wow

StraightPixel yeah, there was honestly no hype for it because of people who were already calling it a bad game. It’s honestly more disappointing if anything

StraightPixel but hey, that’s just me

Yes. Yes it was.

No one has asked

Forced? Hardly any work going into it? So it'd be just like Overwatch itself!

Thanks jotaro

... Nice one

Selling a character to company character with no experience with it is not a good idea sega just needs to get their shit together and making a good game or even the cursed title SA3

Nooooo nintendo is shit

Jacky Boy Pretty much

If after 06 Sonic was still alive, then what makes you think this could have killed Sonic? That is, specially after Mania, which brought hope back for the series? If anything these boost games are the ones who need to die. Sega should take a step back to reconsider their aproach.

smug Vagita I don't think people want him to die it's just that they don't trust sega anymore to get it right or to keep a good track record of releasing good titles back to back with no shitty ones in between. Most people just want Nintendo to buy him.

smug Vagita At this point better games seem impossible

I'm alright with games like this but i know they can do better. It's because of the fans that they don't and that pisses me off. I want a great Sonic game, not another one that's objectively just okay, even if i'll enjoy it. But because of fanboys, we can't have nice things.

and better

@@GDRunny hehe

But guess what makes the app suck? *THE 1 MILLION FUCKING MICRO-TRANSACTIONS*

@@cassanovax8368 I don't care about the micro-transactions that much so I enjoy the app and app is actually playable without buying anything the app is a very good game for short

@@justachaoticperson1906 You do you man 👍

@Timpani Honestly The Sonic Adventure games weren't that bad, buggy, but considering their age they were pretty good 3D sonics. Made seperate character gameplay unique rather than each level as a whole. There are good 2D sonics as well. Well they could use a bit of improvement on level design I felt Sonic Adventure 2 did it best with obstacles, traps, puzzles, that didn't take away from the feel of the game. Sonic was pretty fast, but not gamebreaking fast. Mixing 2D and 3D may seem like an amazing idea, but in the end it disorents players and causes difficulty with controls making the game much slower. Plus Adventures has actual fun mini game stuff like Chao Garden if you wanted to do something else and have your hard earned rings and rank actually matter tongetting something. Rather than just cosmetics for an OC....

The soundtrack ain't good, though.

Yep.

I can look you in the eye and tell you that the Classic songs are garbage

Hey who actually read it and who just skimmed over it I just looked at the first part and thought meh.

The. Soundtrack. Is. Horrid. I could listen to the drowing jingle on loop and it would be better than that trash.

About two hand fulls of salt

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Agreed as like your pic by the way.

Woah it’s Zedrin

Zedrin Sonic Forces feels more like they were trying to get the feel of the comics but didn't have the execution to back it up.

That's because they had a "comedy" writer try to write a serious story instead of Ian Flynn, who writes the comics (and does well at it).

Agreed as your story can be dark but you need to mix the dramatic parts with the comedic parts in a way so it's in the medium.

Bu Mpser what

SanjiBaratie No it’s obviously Bubsy

[Thonking]

Battler not judging Ushiromiya Olympics?

Nintendo: Releases Super mario Odyssey Fans: *cheers * Sega: Releases sonic forces Fans........ *cough*

GSDAkatsuki i agree with this comment! LISTEN TO THIS PERSON SCOTT!

I also argee with commentacrjonnrndnennene

Josh Silva it was unleash

Josh Silva na it was boom jk it's forces

No shit. According to the credits, None of the 8 level designers from Generations worked on Forces. In fact, there was only three. The lead designer only previously working on Lost World and the other two having absolutely no experince in the field.

Couldn’t be more accurate. There was a decent amount of hype for this game’s teaser because it looked like Generations 2. Shame it’s literally worse in every way.

Plus the game is just ugly, it doesn't even look as good as generations, and Definitley doesn't look as good as Unleashed. Unleashed still has the highest quality Sonic model in all the 3D sonic games. And Unleashed came out in 2008

Actually, I'd think the game would look great... ...On the PS4 Pro.

+DuperGames 64 even then I don't find it that pleasing to look at. Character Models are bland, Aesthetics are blocky and simple, Bosses attacks look uninteresting. The game looks uninspired and just boring to watch. Enemy designs are terrible and the worst I've seen in ANY sonic game. The game has NO pre rendered cutscenes. The interface and color scene of red and grey just looks atrocious. The games boost looks dull, it just all round looks worse than Generations and Unleashed in many ways.

I wont Barcle dont steal

Already did 🤣

I do feel 06 wouldve been a really nice game if it was given a better coat of finish Up the graphics, tone down the humanness on some of the characters, clean up the plot, remove the bugs, would be a really good game

Mak Bones Scott doesn’t play overwatch anymore tho...

Pig Lover 69 i figured. It was just a joke tho

Hey it's Mak

Epimetheus hey ^-^ do i know u from somewhere?

yeah you get bored from that game pretty easily

11/10 WOULD NON-LINEAR ENDING AGAIN.

Null Space and Stage 26 from Sonic Forces say hello.

Green hill has a branching pathway

I actually love sonic forces and that was still funny

WatarouDesiderus I disagree, he was edgier than shadow

Dont get me wrong yeah he was edgier and absolutely under utilized. I just have a thought of what he could have been, mainly what I thought hed be during the trailers released. I liked him better because of what he could have been.

SoakingSamuel What kind of point is that? Saying he's edgier than X doesn't make him bad, ya gotta give reasoning why it was bad.

He was edgy for edginess's sake. He was not an interesting character at all. Shadow at least had an understandable backstory in SA2 (EVEN IF THEY RUINED HIS CHARACTER IN EACH GAME AFTERWARDS)

Yeah I agreee Abbott, still think that with Infinite was used similiar to mephiles Id be happier.

Rico_suckz nah dude it's gonna be salt with a side of smash -ssb player

Well actually there’s three, but yeah that’s really pathetic.

Farmer Maggot Tbf the custom character's stages are probably the best out of the three play styles. I think the real fuck up was classic sonic.

Oreo the Gamer Dog yeah, I agree

I thought it might be good and I'd gee t it. "You can put your own thing in this game!" Yeah, ok. I'll wait till release to see if ill get it. "Oh yeah Shadow and Silver are in it." That was the point I stopped caring. People from that point still had optimism for it. I wish I knew what that felt like.

Same, once I looked at the body of the "hidden character" in that teaser. I could fucking tell from a mile away that it was actually a OC creator due to the insanely-basic, sonic body shape, and that's pretty much where I gave up on it.

+Farmer Maggot The game is actually decent.

Darkky *several people are typing*

Can't ruin what already is. Either way this game would fail.

purple drank no it isn’t

How can he ruin it when he barely had any stages at all? That’s like saying a bystander at a shooting needs to be taken to jail.

Darkky I kinda have to agree with ya, the classic Sonic stages slowed down the game, and made the game longer than it should’ve. I think the amount of nostalgia pandering ruined the game, including classic Sonic!

Infinitystar 2 Some in under three. There was one occasion were someone beat it and refunded it in the same sitting.

What about the collectables? The game is much more enjoyable when you try to 100% it

Infinitystar 2 same

@@gradientrotoscope457 not really, it's alreadt boring enough but having to go the slower route, or just kill off my momentum in the stage just to get a red ring just seems like padding an already bad game.

*spits out bepis* I FINISHED IT IN ALMOST JUST OVER 2 HOURS!!!!

Sergeant Luna "bad enough to ruin the game" What is the main reason people play games? The gameplay. What if the Gameplay is bad? Well, IT'S A BAD GAME THEN.

fun =/= good.

But what if he didn't find the gameplay bad? Haven't you thought of that?