Sonic Frontiers: The Final Horizon but the New Cyberspace Levels Drive me Insane... 

I discovered that. I don't intend to do it on hard mode lol. I don't care about spending that much time on this game

​@DannySuperNoob we know you are bad at this game lol

​​@@DannySuperNoob you should also try doing this cyberspace challenge where you have to speed run all of them in one run to make a super fast run, you do that and you get to do the full ring max speed boost in cyberspace

Yes lmao. you summarized my thoughts exactly

Don't think that's a good thing.

Two things: No you don't, and the control scheme is still bad. Huge turning arc mid-jump in a gane that very often requires precision? Come on. Terrible idea and can't be changed. In Sonic GT there's a wide turn arc when jumping too, but that's directly proportional to how fast you're going. In Frontiers, it's just always like that. And "momentum" only being somewhat functional when using the spindash is also a very unpolished thing. Letting go of the spindash button midair messes up jumps and causes a really awkward walking animation midair. Little things like that just pile up and make the experience very rough.

@Sonicmasterxyz Also, why do the player needs to change the controls if it was good? I think that's also a bad thing.

@@MarkerMurker damn didnt mean to wake the soyboy piss baby in you

So I'm also pretty sure whatever changes you make to the settings don't matter in Cyberspace. I'm not sure if this was changed

@@DannySuperNoobIn the options menu, it does say below certain controls that changing them does affect cyberspace too.

@@supersaiyanfox9190 The only ones that truly matter are the "Keep Boost during the air" and "Jump Deceleration". Turn on the first one and put to 0 the second one, Sonic will be flying, basically.

@@leoshadic3458he won’t do it cause he wants it too look bad and make sa2 look amazing although tails controlled like garbage in sa2 and some of the shadow stages were mid and the controls for spindash and switching tails were soo bad

​@@maorfahima7315Someone's a Frontiers fanboy.

I feel like I'd have to make a whole video devoted to how I specifically think a Sonic Game should play lol. I have way too many thoughts about it after playing the more recent Sonic Games, Sonic-likes such as the Spark Trilogy, and the Fangame Omens. I haven't Played Gt, I've just seen gameplay of it and that was my takeaway from the level design. As for Omens, I think its level design is decent, except for that really bad tree level. In my ideal Sonic game I would want Sonic's moveset to blend well with the level and vice versa. I think something that I wasn't sure if I liked about some Sonic fangames is how floaty the characters can get, to the point where with enough momentum you could circumvent entire sections of a level. I don't want the player to do something like that so easily, because I want them to engage with the level. It's understandable to have a speed-based platformer be focused on moving through a level as fast as possible but it seems like a waste of effort to have a level with all this architecture that players will fly over 80% of. Spark 2 & 3 are a bit better about this. Without the magnet dash glitch Spark/Fark have to actually navigate the level while still having a fast pace. However both games feature a combat system where you have to stop and fight an enemy. Of course Spark 3 has a much more advanced combat system that would make any beat-em-up fan happy, I would hot take and tell you that Spark 1 might have had the best combat in conjunction to the rest of the game being a speed-based platformer. There's a gimmick in Spark 1 where if you hit and kill enemies in succession you can fill up a gauge that can unleash a devastating attack. Getting hit causes you to lose all of it. It made bosses interesting because if you were able to dodge perfectly while getting your hits in you could hit the enemy with a special attack more often ending the fight more quickly. I think Sonic could play with this idea, rather than just fighting enemies, it's fighting them and defeating them as quickly as possible. Like killing enemies to build up a special attack that you can unleash on a group of enemies that would be slower to kill normally. Maybe implementing a combo meter you have to keep up by collecting rings, doing tricks, or killing enemies quickly would encourage such a play style, similar to Pizza Tower. And speaking of points, I'm quite disappointed that Sonic Adventure 2's trick and score system never came back. SA2 probably has the best ranking system of any Sonic game (funny enough, the first game to have a rank system) Most new Sonic Games focus on Speed and Time, or have a practically meaningless scoring system that hands you the S Rank like Forces. SA2's gameplay is about moving fast and looking cool doing it. The opportunity to score points for tricks and enemy chains adds another layer to routing aside from finding the fastest time (however SA2 had more linear levels compared to SA1). It's a shame they never went any farther with this. I might have a lot more to say but I do want to play Sonic Adventure 2 on the channel, maybe for a stream sometime. I could definitely talk about this more then.

It wasn't a speed issue for me. It's just I often feel like I don't have full control over Sonic or the camera.

@@DannySuperNoob Yeah, the cyberspace camera is a bit janky with a lot of moments where the camera's control is locked. Also, these new levels do seem to be designed more towards power boost and spindash, so using the spindash would be better.

@@foreveraweeb3514 I wouldn't necessarily say they're difficult if that's what your asking. I think my issue with this game is primarily how sonic controls.

@@DannySuperNoob I mean can you only play the new levels in the doc area or are they in the cyberspace or arcade section in the main menu?

They should've stayed lost lmao

You were able to do that in other Boost-type Sonic games. In fact this is the first Boost game where boosting into enemies doesn't kill them. I think Project 06 has a pretty smooth combat & platforming back-and-forth. I think Sonic may need a combat system that is simple in control but takes a bit of skill to use optimally.

The Spindash does that lol

​@@DannySuperNoob Easy agree on the p06 part. Your actually FASTER chaos snapping as a chaos boosted Shadow the Hedgehog, rather that just simply running.

Whoops forgot. For me metal harbor was the first game where the light dash was intuitively implemented into the movement. It's not as good in Frontiers.

@@DannySuperNoob Yeah Frontiers light dash is definitely the weakest version of the light dash behind SA1 7:18p.m. 10/3/2023

I'm not super into the boost games but unleashed and generations are pretty solid 👍

I don't think boosting off of an inclined ramp should fling you downwards. Happened several times in this video :/

I was looking for this comment. Thanks for saying what needed to be said. 👍 Edit: that this guy is terrible at this game 😅

​@@DannySuperNoobwhen you missed the goal in 4g you were meant to go through the rainbow ring

​​@@DannySuperNoobalsooo it flung you downwards because you were meant to hold boost to fly off the ramps, you kept spamming it and those ARE gun vehicles, they have GUN symbols on the sides

​@@DannySuperNoobspindash says hi

you're acting like Unleashed controls better than this game(when it doesn't.)

@@Prime_Legend Yeah right. Unleashed controls way better. Even the werehog combat was more polished. And the boost was also better. In Frontiers, the cyberspace levels control like garbage. You can't even boost into enemies like your supposed to and you can only air boost once when in the air until you hit the ground, which kills the flow unlike in previous boost games. Even Forces controlled better. And Sonic's homing attack is so dawn slow in Frontiers while in Unleashed, it's faster and responsive. It also has no stupid Green hill and Chemical plant in it.

@@Chadzilla_the_Keyblade_welder Ohh....no i'm talking about the open zone...ya know the main part of the game. Sonic controls way more freely and concise than sonic's stiff and yet slippery controls in unleashed.

@@Prime_Legend Even though he controls ok in the open world, there still is all the jank in the combat and collision. Like how Sonic can sometimes just go flying just because he touched a tiny little bump or rock. All the stuff they added in the updates is neat, but most of it breaks the game even more. The game was not designed with the momentum, spindash and other characters in mind so you can just skip all the platforming and get the collectibles. The game is so unbalanced now. Plus, they butchered Knuckles's glide. It controls awful compared to Adventure 1 and 2. And the pop in is ugly. Especially for a 60 dollar game made in 2022, while Unleashed had none of that.

did you actually play it or are you just going off of this guy's crap gameplay? lmao this feels just like people seeing the ign review of unleashed and writing the game off as a mess