Sonic Generations Writing Vs Sonic X Shadow Generations Writing - Comparison 

its probably because of classic sonic sharing the cutscene but even then the characters say different

I personally always loved how you'd save one of his friends, they'd be like "Oh Sonic, thank goodness you saved me, I thought I was dead for good when I was trapped in that eternal abyss of timelessness" and Sonic would just go "👍"

I'm glad they finally fixed that, it always sucked seeing all the cutscenes in the middle have Sonic respond... Absolutely nothing lol Honestly was expecting the Generations side to be completely untouched so I'm happy they're bothering to rewrite it

@@kirbyofthestarsfan Yeah I agree

Honestly this feel like a remake or an extended scene of Sonic x Generation. I mean now modern Sonic can finally say something when theie friends are free from being white statue instead of responding or reacting.

'Bout time. It was always so weird that he never said anything before.

NO IT'S NOT GOOD

​@@t-bird6853 yes it is stfu

Yeah. In the old version, the fact he doesn’t respond in a snarky way made a bit of sense programming-wise, but also makes it feel like a piece was taken away from the full puzzle that is Sonic the Hedgehog.

@@t-bird6853Bro chill out it’s not that bad 😭

Makes sense for Classic Sonic since he never talked, but I always thought it was odd Modern Sonic wasn't doing the same..

Remember, the original Generations came out at a time when Sega was clearly trying to slowly diminish the use of the supporting cast, as a way to appease the "Sonic's stupid friends" crowd. They knew that they couldn't just ignore all of these popular characters (especially in an anniversary game that was celebrating everything about the Sonic series), but they knew to give them as little screen time and dialogue as possible, out of fear of upsetting all the people who only like Sonic." Heck, there are some people out there who are convinced that Sonic himself hates all of these characters as much as they do. So it wouldn't surprise me if Sega were thinking "well we've got to keep these people happy too!"

"Wow, I thought I'd be stuck like that forever... Thanks Sonic!" "... 😬👍"

@@keatonendler8202 imagine if they let classic sonic have a voice actor in the remaster, that be crazy

​@@maximmanzillo8927yeah, it makes sense if classic sonic talks to because classic tales also talks it will be crazy if they bring back older sonic voice actors to voice him

ITS YOU congrats on the little one btw dude

I defenetly agree on this

Hey tyrecord

MY GLORIOUS BLACK KING🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

ay congrats on the little miner

EXACTLY

Omg, YES! This new script is SERIOUSLY on point! I'll never understand why the writers thought making them sound like they have Amnesia was a good idea.

But they're just reusing these cutscenes, not really gonna do justice to the history unless you get everyone being playable which is not gonna happen.

@yonaguy6978 now that's asking for too much. That would be a remakes job.

For them it was tuesday.

Idk why I'm surprised by this.

Finally. Story still doesn’t exist but atleast we finally get interactions. Now what im curious about is how saving Blaze goes. Cause in the original she says “ I never thought I’d find myself in Crisis City again. This world is full of surprises.” Which first off confirms that… yeah. 06 did happen somehow despite that either being another timeline or it never even happening. I mean if Kingdom Valley and Mephiles are returning then fuck it. I guess 06 is canon now. But that raises even more questions than answers…

Yes OMG finally the game has more Story 😎🤩🥳😍😁👍🏻🤙🏻👆🏻👌🏻🙌🏻💪🏻👊🏻👏🏻🤟🏻🌟⭐️🎉🎮🕹️

@@susiehaltmann3342 Certain people remember some of the events of '06 I think.

THE GOOD ENDING

Just as Ian Flynn intended

Me too. But let's face facts here; these are the things that the Ian Flynn haters are going to complain about. That it's all just "Member West Side Island?" "Oh, I love to Member West Side Island, that was fantastic!" "Member?" 🍇 I don't agree, but you know that this storm is coming.

​@@bowmaj8666I don't believe that's an issue. Anyone that levies that as a criticism doesn't understand the word "consistency". However, Ian has a weird obsession, be it on Sega's orders(which I doubt) or not, with making everything canon. Sonic lore is entirely too inconsistent to put it all together and before they started caring, almost every game lacked any sort of lore consistency and just added to the mess because they simply weren't interested in world building, just the characters which even then don't show up when they should. Flynn may have a better understanding of the Sonic world than even the current Sonic Team(which isn't hard btw) but previous games have written a good chunk of the characters way better than what he does. I just hope he's not gonna pull a Frontiers and try to reference everything in order to retroactively make it all canon. Member berries was not really an issue with Frontiers, it was forcing it even where it didn't belong. That Sticks reference is still absurd to this day. It's all a potential disaster waiting to happen

West Side!

@@Soulferno The sad truth though is that I've seen people online who say things like "Oh, Sonic games SHOULDN'T be about the story! They SHOULDN'T be about the world building and lore! They SHOULDN'T be about consistency! Cos that stuff just doesn't matter!" People are going to inevitably complain about Flynn's writing, even for the most petty and nitpicky of reasons. Sega really just needs to ignore them. If it's constructive criticisms, then fair enough, but if it's just people whining "NO! DON'T LIKE IT! GET RID OF IT OR I'M NEVER PLAYING ANOTHER SONIC GAME EVER AGAIN! REEEEE!" then that's when Sega needs to ignore them, instead of letting them ultimately dictate what can and can't be in a Sonic game.

I agree Kris. People and Sonic "Fans" before you say anything, Don't....just Don't. You'll make thing worse.

A whole lore team composed of multiple lore managers, not just a single lorekeeper. As explained by Ian on the May 11th 2023 episode of the BumbleKast, they don't really decide things; they just discuss lore and come up with ideas for it. Some of them are rejected by the higher ups, some of them are approved. KatieChrz mentioned on her Twitter that other members include her, Evan Stanley, and Tyson Hesse. But still, it's good.

This doesn't demonstrate the benefits of hiring a lore keeper what, it's just a different writer rewriting some lines of dialogue.

are you refering to the so called lorekeeper who didnt even know how chaos control works? how are you people this delusional over Flynn

​@knuckson8304 Eh, How Chaos Control works has always been weird. Sometimes it stops time, sometimes it's a teleport, if two people clink their emeralds together and say it it opens a time portal. Personally I've always seen them saying "Chaos Control" as a way to invoke the emeralds into doing what they want. Writers have taken liberties with what the ability does before Flynn, it really isn't that deep

Yeah that game has no plot over nothing Just in the end that its Very little by the way and that don't make much sense when you think about it

Those "Fans" are just whiners, brats and Bandwagoners who probably haven't played a single game or worked a day in their lives. Let's just sit back, grab a snack and enjoy the Remaster and see what secrets it has in store. If their getting on your nerves then either block them or ignore them. Unless they said something VERY AND I MEAN VERY STUPID.

@@the_mightyest_7790you can be a fan and not like everydingle thing from the franchise

*WHEEZE*

Fr tho, it literally is just, "oo it's my borthday! Oh no cogsworth is here to steal my friends! And make me relive childhood memories!"

Fr

Sonic’s animations in his silent responses also looked really cheap in the original generations. Merely adding lip sync in SxS went a long way though

The knuckles one is an objective improvement. The original seemed like it was supposed to have a response anyway.

Absolutely, like Sonic is such a talkative guy and for him to... Not react at all is such a bad decision Super glad they're bothering to edit the game at all

​@@kirbyofthestarsfanby the way, do you guys want classic sonic to have a voice too because classic tales talks

I'm telling you no matter what sega or sonic team does, they'll always unintentionally find ways to anger the fans

@@mr.hayaibear That's because most of them are severely autistic and would behave exactly the same way if you got their burger king order wrong.

​@mr.hayaibear nonononono, you got it backwards. What it is, is that Sonic fans will always find some stupid crap that doesn't matter to get angry about

​@@chrissysonicutdrlozexactly man I am seeing some comments about that chemical plant cut scene and it's just a all out war like bro it's just a simple cut scene of sonic and tails talking about chemical plant and it's very short and I hope Sega doesn't listen to these people because this is just nitpicking at this point

Instead of "Your future's gonna be great!", Tails should look at Sonic and say "Should we tell him?", then Sonic says "Let's not ruin the moment."

there's hoping

Definitely, I'm scared if it's replaced with references though. This ain't sonic's first rodeo so no need to butter up there

@@yonaguy6978 I don't think we really need to worry about that, I feel the references in Frontiers are done to fix the biggest hole SEGA had made though out the 2010s. Bigger the hole, bigger of a fix had to be made thus the reference made to reestablish the importance of lore.

@@yonaguy6978 In a final boss. Nah.

The final boss might be completely redone.

Least it's preserved on Steam

The story was an afterthought in the original so this is less of a change and more of an improvement to the experience

@@mechashadow True. Even if it does suck that it’s only available through bundles now.

@@camocaplamo4020 I agree, even from just this little bit of footage it’s an improvement in every way.

​@@camocaplamo4020 it's not really an improvement. They just put more references. They didn't add anything substantial making this rewrite pointless lol

It really is flat out embarrassing

Sonic fans in the 2000's/2010's: Why is Amy such a stalker to Sonic? Make her more normal jesus. Sonic fans in 2024: Why isn't Amy that much of a stalker now!? Change her back!! Same man, same

Exactly bro.. any, Ian Flynn’s, and so much more.. shadow…gosh this fandom

@@mr.hayaibear I mean, personally, i never had any trouble with Amy in the past, so yeah, i do want her to be changed back.

​@@iliakazakov5947For me, I'm more in the middle. I like Amy having a more healthy dyanmic with the main cast, but she could use some of that chaotic energy from the past. I can see it being done. She can be energetic and occasionally tempermental whilst still being on good terms with the gang. I'm even okay with her crushing on Sonic as long as it's rather more playful than overbearing (a positive example I can point to is SA2's Prison Island breakout cutscene where Amy teases Sonic about marrying her if she answers his question. When he refuses, she still happily lets him out, dials back, and answers him before asking about the writing in the prison cell). As a kid, I never liked how one-note her interactions were post SA2. I always preferred her being a playful and spunky fellow who could still interact with others. Again, balance is key.

I mean he sounds the same here lol as in he was always great as Sonic

He sounds the same. Just as unfitting as before.

@@Kuzamer Uh no bud he's never sounded "unfitting" as Sonic, get out of here.

​@@Kuzamer Why's that? Because he's not Jason Griffith, or because he's not Jaleel White?

Although i grew up with jason griffith sonic, he is my least favorite out of the 3

Nah I didn't really like the original line and it made Amy sound like the obsessive stalker a lot of people think she's like. The new line sounds more in character for Amy and how she would've talked in Adventure

@@Animefan-uk8pw IDK I personally thought the OG line was silly 'n goofy. But the new line is still very in character.

@@jadetealaaron2003 sort of?

But that was the last time that Amy was flirting Sonic until in Sonic Lost world to Frontiers she stop flirting him. I still don’t know why they have to change that part.

@@danyaelquinones6778didn’t she have a bit of a “Goofy Amy” moment in Sonic Forces where she first heard Sonic’s alive after he meets up with the avatar, Amy overhears Sonic voice and yells pretty happily in a goofy way closer to her pre-2010 appearances? Am I misremembering?

They should have kept it in, but I guess they wanted the cutscenes to be the same length and have the same timing or something

That's because you have a low IQ and are easily amused by poor jokes.

​@Billyblue98 yeah, apparently the game was developed in 2 years so they probably wanted to focus on Shadow gens and did what they could on OG Gens, I'm sure if they had a couple more years they'd do a little more for Gens' story and cutscenes

I feel like the sense of humor in the Sonic series as a whole is slowly being sucked out of it.

@@joshnickerson83 Good it was shit.

Get in line knucklehead- Alright!

Get in line Knucklehe- ALRIGHT 👍

​@@Zomboy4313He said Knucklehead.

@@ThorWilhelms I know

@@SwellStuff483 Me too, I honestly feel bad that he didn't voice Knuckles in Frontiers...

@@SwellStuff483 Yeah. Travis Willingham was way better as Knuckles.

There's not really much we can do about that. Travis essentially dropped all of his Japanese game roles when his wife had a baby. Dave was just the replacement they could get.

@@amiiinafedora2318 I wish they could have gotten Matthew Mercer to voice Knuckles instead. Let someone else be Espio.

@@amiiinafedora2318I guess that explains why Laura Bailey doesn’t voice Blaze anymore

Yeah, totally agreed.

The mouth now added on is also weird as fuck💀like I’m glad he’s talking now but it would’ve been better if they reanimated him from the ground up cause there just feels something off about adding the moving mouth to his animations

Honestly I would say even the Chemical Plant cutscene is a bit weird. In the original the camera zooms in on the water as it's mentioned in order to make it more obvious what exactly they are referring to. In the remake it zooms in on the water...... because the original game did.

@@Eo22I005 The main thing for me, is that that dialogue doesn't make any sense with his body language. Him doing that facepalm doesn't even make any sense considering she's not flirting or anything anymore.

I Agree with you this its a bit confuse about why they did that and in Amy scene It becomes strange i Hope the change that in a Future pack but to me Amy line in Sonic x shadow generations would be better If they Just change the animation for Sonic and serious why Amy fans are complaning about that change when they aways want the old Amy changed? Sonic fans are strange

I agree. This is much better.

Agreed 🤝

They always talked like real people and never said anything no one would say wtf. Stop kissing Ian's feet.

​@@cmguiyyt816 "True Dat!" -Miles "Tails" Prower, Sonic Forces. "All's well that ends well!" -Also Miles "Tails" Prower, Sonic Adventure, after Station Square was destroyed and several innocent people possibly died in the process.

​@@cmguiyyt816Admittedly these were cherry-picked, but it's not like they've always talked like real people. Ian Flynn did rely a bit TOO much on the references during Frontiers however, so I'm kinda worried to see if they'll continue with that "reference-heavy" style of writing.

Don't bother to rationalize with the zealous like people, not worth the energy. It's sadly a common thing with fanbases specifically certain groups of fanbases that are, as I mentioned, very zealous in nature.

Amen to that.

For real!! I am glad that they actually improve the cutscenes and make them more alive with the characters!!

Whoever hates this is obviously nostalgia blind, also whoever complains about references doesn’t make sense use your brain bro, this entire game is one reference

I'm not a big fan of the new interactions but "just ok" or "passable" may already be an improvement over how it was before

@@faz10do use your brain and google the word limit, there's something called "too much" not that we know so far but if you read the frontiers prequel you'll understand how something like that can be frustrating. game itself being a reference in itself is enough, If you are fine if sonic would mention every single boss he's fought in those zones thats cool Im more of a show instead of tell type of person which is what did do show more than tell

That sounds ever worser than the og

an improvment at what can be seen as a joke/taunt but amy gotta be just a nobody now oh well, at least fandom will quit yapping about a best friend apparently being a stalker

Fr

I don't really see it, he feels a bit out of character in his scene with Amy

@@meeky6714 He feels just as in character as he was in the original in that he's always been in character.

real

When are they not? It's twitter, that's just where you go to tell everyone how mentally ill you are.

@@cjs_v.j.6350 I hate how we went from everybody hating Amy for being a obnoxious whiny stalker to now everyone hating how Amy isn't that much of a stalker and is acting like an actual normal character now, god I hate sonic fans from twitter so much

Tbh they already are lol. Already saw a guy write paragraphs about how they "butchered" the story after seeing two line changes

@@mr.hayaibear 'Obnoxious whiny stalker' you shouldn't remove a character's core qualities dude. Why are sonic fans like you ashamed about Amy's personality before 😆

About darn time

Amy was never flanderized to begin with. She never devolved into one character trait since she only had that one character trait from the start. Idk if the new direction is better or worse but it's an entirely new thing not a return to a better time

@@wyn9693 Bro Amy being in love with Sonic has been her main character trait, yeah, but she has been more from that The thing is, we pretty much only got her development on the Adventure games untill she devolved completely on Heroes The first Sonic Adventure gives Amy basically the same character development as Tails, realizing that she is her own person and doesn't need to be behind Sonic all the time, she takes care of a bird and showcases her caring and loving nature, not to mention that the fact that she's the most "normal" character of the cast makes her shine in her down-to-earth personallity, the reason why she solves some major conflicts in both games not by force, but with words and understanding, thanks to her Gamma saved and freed the bird family that was separated from the bird Amy was taking care of, and thanks to her, Shadow remembered what the real promise he made to Maria was. Not to mention her actions beyond words like freeing Sonic from prison island And you might say "she still chased Sonic around", but really her flirting was more secondary in these games and was way more playful, I mean in prison island while she says she will free Sonic if he married her, it sounds more like a friendly banter between the 2 as Amy doesn't insist on it and still frees Sonic anyway after he said no once The issues began with Heroes, where all this development went down the drain and made Amy's entire character arc to be a Sonic Stalker and force him into marriage, completely flanderising her Some later games saved Amy a little but in the expense of her being dull, she's not as a hard stalker as she was in Heroes but she doesn't do that much besides confusing Sonic constantly and just, being the girl of the group And then the meta era came, every character was flanderised and Amy was even more in the background doing nothing, her few aparitions being just to tell how much she loves Sonic, and that's it Finally, Frontiers came and we returned to a down-to-earth Amy, she no longer harasses Sonic about a relationship because she already knows he's not interested by this moment, plus she and her friends are in a more serious situation trying to figure out how to scape the cyberspace. And her caring nature finally shines again as she can't avoid helping a couple of Kokos to reunite and rest together. And in the Finla Horizon, she proves that she's more than just the girl by being useful in all what she can to help Sonic and the others to defeat The End once and for all, no matter the risk, she's also a hero

Nothing against Amy's new line in and of itself but it doesn't work here. It would change the tone of the interaction because Sonic wouldn't respond how he did, but maybe he had to because of the animation. If it HAD to stay I would've preferred Amy's old line delivered in a more jokingly tone so Sonic's response can fit with both the animation and Amy's line, they did animate Sonic's mouth so maybe put a smile on it idk.

@@darkeye457 bro now her main character trait is literally just being a girl like fr stop being this delusional, she doesnt have anything new thats more than that. What are you gonna argue, her compassion that she had since day 1. The harrassment you refer to turned into "sonic help these creatures because I cant do anything" or "let me help like the rest of the cast cuz I cant do anything" If you fail to realize the relationship between sonic and amy was played as a childhood crush then you were never a fan of her or choose to look just aat the bad and from what i see assume her "constant" harassment was the majority of the games when in reality its just uh.... sonic heroes and like 3-4 spinoffs? yeah ok buddy amy has been a hero since sa1 💀 Stripping away the very thing that made her more than just just a girl IS the flanderazation you literally cannot name anything unique about her to separate her from group and that is sad. Amy has always helped sonic however she couldd so idk why u tripping, in 06 alone she literally is one of the people going to revive sonic figthing monsters all by herself to revive sonic I wouldnt say in the meta era lacking screen time = being flanderized. Like would u say tails was flanderized in unleashed despite doing nothing aside flying the plane once? And you cant be a stalker of your own best friend bro what is this complaint people got like pls go play the games people 😭 sonic literally wanted to take her on a date in the book games yall turned your brains off when playing this series or idk, something played as a childhood crushed getting yall this worked up

and do elaborate whats so better about tails whats so "marvel" about it just a mention of the zone being in west zone island instead of talking about the zone itself? yeah alright buddy

agreed tho I prefer the original clip for knuckles too but new one aint bad either

I mean to them i thought it was another Tuesday each adventure

1:35 its feels off when sonic moves his mouth and speaks cuz that didnt happen in the original lol

Yeah, seriously. Why did they make him mute when classic sonic was already gonna be mute anyway? Never made sence too me.

The blue rat needs to shut up.

​@@sonicgamingkirbyfan2005v-xm2rl It's better when the blue r@t keeps his mouth shut especially Roger Sonic.

@@sonicgamingkirbyfan2005v-xm2rl I like it better when the 𝖻𝗅𝗎𝖾 𝗋𝖺𝗍 talks less, especially if it's Roger Sonic.

Amy isn’t allowed to be Amy anymore…

In sense it feels like they were ashamed with their og presentation. We all knew it was a quick scene in a video game, no need to stress the finer details

@@Goobywoobygoo that's a lie

of course yeah. all these encounters barely last and its not like you can play them back. but idk them not replacing the animations and only redubbing the voiceclips just feels off. especially with how much amy's personality has changed from 2011 to 2024

@@mcnuggwtscreations tell me how. stop coping and being overpositive ffs

What is West Side Island?

@@DJet0954 The name of the island where Sonic 2 and some of Sonic Mania takes place. All the zones are there. Sonic 1 takes place on South Island and Sonic 3K takes place on Angel Island. These names are hardly mentioned in the games outside the retro manuals, so it's good to see them finally behave like they actually live in this world.

It really is a damn shame those kind of people get so mad at the drop of a hat.

​@@kevinkong64Nah, it's cause Flynn is writing it. And Flynn is notorious for empty, theme less storytelling

@@Sofia_Writes I'm going to be entirely honest Since when has that been the case or are people just pissed that he's an actual fan who gets to write

@@JodiGeo the first arc for sonic IDW is themeless and it drags for 13 issues that move it nowhere with unnecessary characters added. He also flanderizes sonic as a talk-no-jutsu character... His storytelling is also very tell don't show, which in a visual medium such as comic writing is pretty bad.

@@Sofia_Writes I think that’s a you thing. I’d be hard pressed to find someone that actually agrees with your opinion in that Ian Flynn sucks. PS It’s not like the original Generations even had any theming to begin with because the writers were the exact same as Sonic Colors and Forces. Also, very few people criticize the story for Frontiers, something he took charge of, for legitimate reasons.

tbf Frontiers' writing was pretty much entirely dedicated to meta era damage control

@@zekeram129yep, the references of Ian Flynn writing don’t make sense here

@@zekeram129yep lol

@@faz10do References to past Sonic games don't make sense in _The Sonic Game Where All You Do Is Visit Memorable Locations From The Franchise's History???_

Thank you! Even if they wanna move away from Amy being Sonic-obsessed and less of a fighter than everyone else, it's still something that is a foundational part of her character that should be acknowledged. And the lines from Sonic feel so unnecessarily tacked on that it doesn't add much of anything

I think its the “ALRIGHT” that bothers me if it was just “get in line knucklehead” then the thumbs up I think it would work better. I still perfer this to vanilla generations just having him sit there and give a thumbs up thoughz

Agreed Im glad some people can see the actual complains fans have then twitter people come here and assume we think just cuz sonic talks now we are mad like bro

I mean, the "reworked cutscenes" part WAS part of the remaster

Seeing SXS makes me think of the south by south west events in texas

I feel like Flynn doesn't like when Amy is portrayed as boy crazy (Or Sonic crazy?) so he's rewritten the scene.

@@ca_lciumI mean it the last games she hasn’t really been same with the games before gens she was crazy but I feel like if y’all beat black knight or watched the cutscenes of that game it answers why she isn’t

@@ca_lcium Nobody liked Amy being crazy for Sonic, why do you think there was so many parodies of her being the weirdo whenever she's around Sonic back in the day?

They will one for one remove every instance of Amy having a crush on Sonic

@@asuperrandomguy8266 Kinda feels that way

@@asuperrandomguy8266 that's such a stupid complaint

​@vocalcalibration8033 If I tried to flirt with someone for a long time and not get my way ever, I'd probably give up trying to get with them, too. No one should keep expecting the same results.

@@doctormodder yeah, too bad that this isn't what is happening here at all. And I wanted to be that for sure. Sega is retconing out of existence any interaction that showed that Amy ever had a crush for Sonic. This is literally big demonstration of that!

@@SonicSwift99 I like how you say that then immediately comment how better writing in the Amy scene was lost lmao.

@@chrange9714 Not really lost or awful per say, more so an overcorrection.

@@SonicSwift99 It's an egregious overcorrection that really shouldn't be here. It's a good example why I prefer the original script was preserved.

@@chrange9714 I wouldn't call it "better." They're both bad, this just doesn't feel like enough of an improvement

@@SurfRay Neither are bad at all, it's just a rewrite to be more in line with how Flynn writes Shadow Gens. Now it's just a case of pick the one ya like better, the original script or the Flynn one.

Dead internet theory

@@Manic07925 Tf are you talking about I never said any theories here.

@@chrange9714 It’s a reference to something. Basically what I’m saying is that your response looks AI-Generated

@@Manic07925 It isn't, A.I usually doesn't make any punctuation mistakes.

@@Kelps.mp4 Bruh. Learn to take a joke.

from what i saw no one hated them , they just said its unnecessary for a game like gens which is an anniversary game , but from Sega's perspective this is the only bad side of an almost masterpiece { not including time eater } why wouldn't they fix it if they can and make it the best

​@@YasserBendamia-od7lpI'd rather have it rewritten. The dialogue is really bad in the original.

​@@CantRead1Well I Agree!!!

@@CantRead1 It's far from bad or "really bad" in the original lol

@@YasserBendamia-od7lp The Time Eater isn't a bad side of this game at all

@@satyamSaha she's only boring in Frontiers

​@@mcnuggwtscreationsShe has been boring since forces..

​@@bigtj4since Lost Word 💀

Agreed

I'm pretty sure everyone is complaining about Mr. Flynn's overuse of references, so he's trying to dial it down (keyword here being trying because he can't help himself sometimes)

@@macmonkeyhat I think Final Horizons alone made me roll my eyes at the whole tarot card thing. That was literally her entire moveset 😅 Tarot cards are a hobby, not a personality

@@carlosemilio5180 First off, this is _frickin' Sonic Generations._ It's an anniversary game which's entire premise is centered around being such, constant references make _sense._ Secondly, he's actually toning down the characters from their Pontac & Graff versions, as shown with Amy being less singularly focused on loving Sonic and there being less cheap joke lines overall. And finally, back on the topic of references, the additions to that he makes here, once again, _make sense._ Sure, Tails never brought up Westside Island in the original, but Green Hill Zone and Chemical Plant Zone are on two completely separate islands, so him bringing up that inconsistency is perfectly reasonable.

Wow that’s even worse 😂

*claps* THANK! YOU!

So Sonamy is canon sort of? Finally! There you go Sonamy fans and Pricks you happy? To the Fans I hope you are. To the pricks, I would say things but I would not because it's not right and youtube doesn't like it either.(Even though I like a different Sonic ship I love the Idea Sonic and Amy are together.)

You missed the point buddy. It's the other way around, they're actively trying to make SonAmy canon. Flynn or whoever is in charge now is trying to not make it 1 sided anymore. As before Amy liked sonic so openly and with obsession, sonic told her NO, straight up.... Now they're going out of their way to erase that and replace it with, they both like each other secretly or subtly. So in the process they stripped Amy of her "crazy personality" and made her a boring, "mature" character that's obsessed with cards instead of Sonic... This is what happens when they have a fan write the series, he turns it into a fanfiction.

@@knightofthewind513 To begin with, the idea that Flynn can decide how a character should act is false. Sega monitors the games and validates them, so if this dialogue is validated, then Sega agreed. Then, Sonamy already exists in the past. Sonic saw Amy as a fangirl before starting to love her little by little as we can see in Werehog or in the comics for example. Sega even released a Sonamy Valentine's Day plush toy in Japan, I highly doubt Ian has this one. Sega want Sonamy. Finally, I also like Amy's character in the old games but it must be said that a lot of fans didn't like her. People blame Flynn for making Amy boring when they kept complaining that she was even more boring in the old games. Amy was seen by many as a "yanderer" or other bad term while there were plenty of moments where she was good, like the scene where she stopped Sonic from killing Gamma. Every time something goes wrong in a game, fans blame the writers while forgetting that Sega validated their writing. Sega is responsible for the franchise, if they validates things incorrectly, then it is their fault.

Amy also stopped racing Sonic long time before Ian wrote for the games. You just have to watch Lost world or Team racing to see it

Evet. Bu beni de şaşırtan bir durum. Muhtemelen Blind Squirel Games, yaptıkları Colors Ultimate Remaster'ı için yeniden seslendirme için ekstra para ödemek istemediler ve Kate'in sesini aynı şekilde bıraktılar. Ama o ve diğer OG seslerinin geri dönmelerini isterdim şahsen. Yine bunlarda oldukça iyi olmuş.

they brought back tails's original voice for colors ultimate. this game is different since its more than just a remaster. im sure unleashed would have its normal voices

​@@blueberyramunebut imagine bro if that comes true people will go crazy it will be a war that Sega can't survive from not saying that will happen, just like to imagine it 😂

If Lazy Blind Squirel Games made Sonic Unleashed Ultimate​@@blueberyramune

Probably, they'd also probably need to find someone new for Chip and the Spagonia people since Dan Green apparently didn't come back for Mephiles according to the leak

Yeah they will

I mean what did you expect when it's strictly mandated that girls can't be obsessed on boys anymore in current day media?

Meh, I'm personally ok with this. Rather have bad and tired character traits remain in the past and embrace the newer ones with open arms.

@@sonicgamingkirbyfan2005v-xm2rl the problem is sega tends to forget the past of these characters and it really shows with frontiers but not in the way you think. A LOT of frontiers’ dialogue felt like “hey remember that this series had actual lore and character development that we’ve ignored for a decade? Well now we are using a good sonic writer to try and force everything, that doesn’t make sense, into a coherent timeline”

@@jesterfromthecave6691 but then there's the counter argument where SEGA can rely TOO MUCH on the past to the point where people yearn for something new it cant please everyone

@@sonicgamingkirbyfan2005v-xm2rl I'd rather have a bad character trait than no character trait at this point.

Ian Flynn will always be the GOAT that Saved Sonic Unlike those two Bumbling buffoons and........that freaking penders

New one makes more sense though

@SleepDeprivedGinger Game Sonic is not and will never be Steven Universe or the MCU or Archie Sonic. Sonic himself is not supposed to be a full time superhero fighting to protect justice or whatever.

Still weird how everytime someone's upset with something he does, it's always the guidelines. (None of which we know for a fact) Scrapnik Island and Superstars was good despite those restrictions.

@@GoofGuyWacky It's cope from fandom who think that Flynn should be able to just write Archie again or glorified fanfics and making excuses for his writing like with how he made Shadow charge into a horde of Zombots rather than run.

@@galten7361 I literally never mentioned Sonic being portrayed as a superhero, unless that's something Flynn has done. I know full well that Sonic is the carefree type who lives by his own rules and only helps others because it's the right thing to do. I also know that Sonic's only heroic duty is protecting the Chaos Emeralds from Eggman. I just like how Sonic is being portrayed personality-wise nowadays, that's all.

@@SleepDeprivedGinger Flynn does write Sonic as more of a superhero (and Naruto with messiah figures). It's in IDW where Flynn tries to write Sonic more in line with how he was in Archie (where he was a full time superhero/paramilitary member who actively sided against a movement to end a monarchy that locked up protestors) and in line with protagonists like Steven Universe or Naruto Uzumaki.

I don’t think it’s *that* extreme of a change, really. I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt, myself, and seeing it as that Amy’s beginning to see where she’s falling flat and beginning to improve on it. But that’s just me. We’ll see how the rest of the remaster is handled.

She’s a strong independent hedgehog who don’t need no man!

The Amy rewrite is 100 percent because of Misogynistic Incel Sigma Male Culture infecting everyones way of life and is 100 percent telling the "f*moids" to be like the superior gender or else, Knuckles was ruined but Amy has been completely butchered, this is not Amy

​@@MysteriousStrangerVA man I have to come at you and say you are coping... I wish Amy get that character development, really. But this ain't it! It's a clear as crystal water that they are trying to erase her ever having a crush on Sonic. This was never a development on her, this is a retcon

​@@MysteriousStrangerVA Like she wasn't doing that SINCE FUCKING SA1, Flynn and this fanbase are allergic to Amy displaying any fun.

Me too

Bro calls Twitter X 💀

Honestly I think they can tell if they are fake

Anyone who doesn't like SA2 is a fake fan everybody! I'm such a fake fan for not accepting the PEAK passion and ambition that was the game that was rushed out in a few months while the developers couldn't be asked and were on holiday and didn't want to make a full game and also made the physics so terrible you can't even homing attack or find emerald shards properly, oh, and also has a plot that boils down to some random military group mistakening an obviously blue hedgehog to be Shadow and hunting him down for no reason while Knuckles and Rouge have awkward tension between one another, get into a steamy fight that shatters the Emerald just so Knuckles could have an excuse to exist, but no, SA2 was PEAK WRITING because I grew up with it and everyone who disagrees is wrong and MUST accept that the only way this franchise can progress is by completely taking away what made all the characters special and make them forget every game in the series beyond 2001 to the point where the timeline now doesn't make sense and half the franchise is retconned!

@@cakelayer Then leave dipshit

There was nothing wrong with that choice. Her change in personality was a bit too sudden, and it'd be nice to have at least one game from the past set that up. This is the one.

@@LobotomyTC they are! Obviously... any franchise that gives a damn about their character would develop then in a way to allow that change of heart that would lead to a character growth! instead we got then retconing Amy out of existence then replace with new ones and try to convince me they are the same.

​@@asuperrandomguy8266Ever heard of character development?

@@CorruptFox92 character development? Where? Pls don't gaslight yourself. There's no development, we didn't saw Amy realize how bad her actions were, confronting herself, admitting being wrong, saying sorry? Dunno if you notice but there's nothing! Once she liked him and was very unhealthy about and now it has never even happened in first place. This Is A _Retcon_

@@asuperrandomguy8266 Just shut the fuck up already. I'm sick of people doing this when people say new Amy is better, because she literally is.

You say it like it's a bad thing

People are not afraid of flirting, it's that Amy was really annoying

@@voltheigan8001Yeah she was definitely annoying for a long time.

Amy just saying “i am going to flirt with you!” doesnt really count as flirting in my opinion, i like the new line because i feel like it shows that she cares about sonic more other than just wanting to date him. Amy flirting is fine, it should just be written better lol

@@voltheigan8001her sounding like an grandma is worse.

​@@Goobywoobygoo Not really, to either accusations. Idk how you could prefer the Pontaff and Graffe era of Amy, even a little bit, but you're welcome to eat that trash up since no one else wants it.

Yeah instead Amy went from an energetic girl with a crush on Sonic to a damn grandma…

bro likes the gentrified Amy.💀💀💀

@Goobywoobygoo Have you Rachel Alucard? That’s a real grandma character.

@@justice8718 At least the bunny vampire has some wit and charm. Heck, you could argue she likes Ragna in her own, tsundere-ish way.

@@sharzinlalebazri5673 You don’t get it. The grandma-ness is the best part of her character. Amy is lacking it. Sally Acorn is full of it.

So we gotta endure Amy being a walking cardboard of overcorrections?

I think it’s because the era that style of writing started in 2010 with Free Riders and more infamously, Colors.

@@thephantomgamingbros.6329 Excuse me? How was the writing back then bad at all? 🤨

​​@@VSaber365 It's comparatively bad. Comparing the story of the Sonic Adventure series and Sonic Unleashed to Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations and most would argue it's a considerable downgrade. The "Ken Pontac and Warren Graff" era is when SEGA kowtowed to game reviewers' complaints about the stories being too serious and edgy by making them as dumbed down and childish as possible.

​@@VSaber365 2010s is infamous in sonic fandom as era of "baldy mcnosehair" basically all characters were dumbed down to a single defining trait and all the development throughout previous games was thrown out of the window

​@@VSaber365In short: it's like comparing 2000s vs 2010s Sonic writing to Teen Titans vs Teen Titans GO! writing.

Well, there's always youtube or the old version of the game.

@@sonicgamingkirbyfan2005v-xm2rl that got delisted but thrown into a legacy bundle which really ain't worth it unless you get it on PC for the mods

@@EthanMastercrafter meh. nothing perfect, right?

@@sonicgamingkirbyfan2005v-xm2rl yep. Credit where credit is due at least it's still on steam but still...

Could be added later in a patch