Sonic LAB: Modal Electronics Argon 8 Wavetable Synthesizer

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Modal Electronics Argon 8 is an 8 voice digital wavetable synthesizer with full size keys - although only three octaves.
It shares much of the DNA from the SKULPT, which we also reviewed and enjoyed. Even though it's a digital machine, still capable of some lovely organic sounds.
The Argon 8 shares these characteristics, but with an expanded set of controls, 3 FX generators, up to 512 step sequencer and an arpeggiator, plus the distinctive Modal joystick.
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@MurrayDagostino 4 года назад

I just ordered one, I love the beautiful stereo sounds it can produce and its not as limited as just a rompler synth. You can get really creative with this one, just like any normal analog synth.

@BigBadWolf.............. 4 года назад

I love the sound, the interface, and the look. I don't have room for any more keys. The fact that it now comes as a module is fantastic

@milk_bath 4 года назад

Simple, yet beautiful hardware design.

@jamessisson3703 3 года назад

My Aunt had an Argon years ago. It was a lot of work doing a Sunday roast because you constantly have to shift things between the different temperature ovens.

@blubellybandit 3 года назад

Made me chuckle, thx!

@Fluxwithit 4 года назад

Love the look of this.

@thelantern9075 4 года назад

That play out patch was nice. Machine sounds good, looks nice too.

@vr4ever645 3 года назад

Look at this simple, yet beautiful UI, KORG!

@robertvangameren9735 4 года назад

If I did't already bought one I'd buy it on the basis of this vid, great, thanks for the explore

@cloud_noises 4 года назад

I think this is the best demo video I've seen of this, well done!

@GEOSynths 4 года назад

Great Review, getting one for sure.

@HotStrange 4 года назад

Would love to see what kind of patches you could make with this guy.

@GEOSynths 4 года назад

@@HotStrange We shall see when I get one :)

@Wagoo 4 года назад

@@GEOSynths 61 key version and module/rack just got announced if you've not seen

@PaulGBass 4 года назад

Get the one with the bigger 61 key keyboard if you haven't already seen it, it was announced today - literally tens of pounds more not hundreds....

@smguy7 4 года назад

Yeah, I am seriously tempted too and they aren't very expensive in Australia.

@ben1210 4 года назад

Crowded market for reviews these days, but Nick never fails to give me "synth-face". Hall of famer for sure.

@danselmix 4 года назад

best reviewer ever...great sounds...best review to hear the true potential of this synth and the way ot can sound

@vladimirussachevsky1315 4 года назад

Why does this sound so good!? I guess Im going to have to get one.

@Schilliebillie 3 года назад

Thank you Nick. I’ve been following Sonic State for about 20yrs now and you never talk any bullshit about gear. 👍🏻

@DerekPower 4 года назад

It's funny that the video ID for this includes "MoOg" =D

@Ferrichrome 4 года назад

woah :o the youtube algo has blessed us

@gnarlysoundscapes7210 4 года назад

Neat!

@demonkoryu 3 года назад

Where can you see the Video ID?

@DerekPower 3 года назад

@@demonkoryu It's at the end of the URL (look for "v=" and a string of characters)

@Tyetheberious 3 года назад

Wow, good catch!

@TheParanoidAndroid79 3 года назад

10:42 is a sound I've been looking for in a poly hardware synth.

@paulwangmacbookprowidjaja7640 2 года назад

Superb presentation, Nick. Cheers!

@digitaldiezel5870 4 года назад

I’m certainly excited about this one! The sound puts it in 1st place for me. It may not have as much modulation as other synths of a similar nature but, for me, the the sound is perfect.

@jonlbarry 3 года назад

Just got one. Great fun. well built. nice keyboard.

@ericwycoff1399 2 года назад

Thank you nick for another great vid!

@ancientmartianunderground6413 4 года назад

Excellent synth Excellent program

@Dolores5000 3 года назад

This is a fantastic overview thank you

@minisynthcollective7822 4 года назад

Fantastic. What an amazing Synth. Great review yet again.

@my4trackmachine 4 года назад

Looks good and sounds good 👌

@stashusclay 4 года назад

So far I've really enjoyed mine. Sounds great, easy to use, and invites exploration. I was surprised with the presence of the bottom end. The best I've heard in digital.

@stashusclay 4 года назад

One complaint is it's not multitimberal

@Jason75913 4 года назад

warmth in digital is a matter of programming, as in what the end-user does

@ericpeters0n 4 года назад

@@Jason75913 And filter quality/style, and good math with no aliasing, and selection of oscillator waveforms, and D/A conversion and output stage voicing, which relates to the internal clocking, power supply, etc. But yeah, along with all that, you're absolutely right. ;)

@cloudrun654 4 года назад

@@Jason75913 IDK, ifis not there in the beginning, it's probably not there.

@Yovavision 4 года назад

Great reviews

@maceobot 3 года назад

I feel like Modal watched this video just before choosing their product line and Firmware updates

@MarkAnthony5150 2 года назад

I agree 1000%

@crimsonweather 4 года назад

Thank you nick for acknoledging how good this synth sounds as some nerds were making fun when I say the same

@laurencevanhelsuwe3052 2 года назад

I don't quite understand any manufacturer which brings out a new synth without looping envelopes. It sounds like such an easy feature to include, and it's so useful.

@Nightingale1887 Год назад

Hilariously, they added a patch called N.Batt pad. They did take notice.

@HotStrange 4 года назад

I’m really smitten with this synth. Mine should be here by the end of the week and it’s probably the most excited I’ve been for a new synth in a long time. It sounds and looks excellent and has a ton of really cool features that have all been implemented really well. It reminds of the Minilogue in this way. Maybe not the MOST feature full synth, it it’s all so fully realized that the whole package is just amazing.

@smoothoscillator1 4 года назад

Haut Strange Got mine Saturday I love it

@HotStrange 4 года назад

Smooth Oscillator Awesome to hear! I was told there was one shipment ahead of me and I’ll be on the next one which should be getting to them this Friday or next Monday/Tuesday. Glad you’re liking yours. It really seems super characterful and fun to play.

@tommyg5095 4 года назад

@@HotStrange Did you get this, the module, or the 61 key version... Either way,,, NICE....

@HotStrange 4 года назад

Tommy G there’s only this version. The other 2 were versions Nick was wishing they would release.

@tommyg5095 4 года назад

@@HotStrange O.k. I saw other's comments saying desk top version and 61 key version.. Appreciate your reply... Enjoy your newest acquisition.

@joebrewer4529 3 года назад

I can't remember if I watch this before? But this is been the synth that has been in the back of my mind. I've avoided this video. And watch the other videos prior to coming back to this one. I got to say the bang-for-the-buck this is the synth. Kudos to the new hydrasyth firmware update. Long live DCOs!

@hermansimms8410 4 года назад

Your a genius. I'm buying one from PMT in Portsmouth. Your the best reviewer

@lewisd56 4 года назад

plans to make a bigger version and a module? yep, announced the 8x and 8m a few hours ago, the 8x is £649 for 61 keys, that's unbelievably compelling.

@LaurentDiscShowMan 2 года назад

Muy bien very good otro sinter muy bueno..Bien animo con todas las cosas y vayamos con alegrias...

@modaroho 4 года назад

very dope synth mine arrived last week ;)

@neilloughran4437 4 года назад

Was not expecting to like this as am not completely sold on the Hydrasynth and other similar synths.. however this sounded beautiful!

@RHoonte 4 года назад

I like it and also the Hydra. Just wondering what you concider simular beacuse i'm looking for a synth in that sound range at the moment.

@Dogboy73 4 года назад

Sounds good. Nice sized synth as well. Really like the sounds as well. Distortion is nice & dirty but doesn't sound nasty digital. Some lush sounds. Very nice character. Suddenly there are shit loads of options for this type of synth!! :-/

@thedrumunkey8582 4 года назад

Nick, if you had to guess based on the feel... think there would be a way to hack the joystick and remove the springs? Pitch bend should snap back... weird to have “mod” snap too. Elektron AK did same thing and it was kinda silly.

@mrchi01 2 года назад

Brilliant review as always,... I do have to say though a few times you mentioned the fact it's digital not analogue and it sounded like you thought that was a bad thing... Its really not,

@synthury1858 4 года назад

Great news ! The Argon8 will come out in 3 versions ! The 8, 8x (61 keys) and a 8m for a lovely 3u rackmount unit !

@MattGreerMusic 4 года назад

Funny how Nick mentioned that and literally the same day, after this was released, Modal announced the bigger version and the module.

@Jason75913 4 года назад

I may go for the 8m.

@larsuk9578 4 года назад

£649 apparently for the 5 octaves version! www.musicmatter.co.uk/modal-argon8x

@paulmapp8306 4 года назад

Fancy the M - its a really small size (and Im tight for space) - HOWEVER, looking at the control panel for both - While the M sees to have push encoders (rather than separate buttons) for some functions (to save space) - I dont see any of the markings for the sequencer.... the Arp yes but not the sequencer. Theres no sequence button, and no animation graphics.... That would rule out the module version for me unfortunately, and the keyboard one wont fit my space. I have EMailed Model about this to confirm/clarify things but Im not hopefull.

@Cray23_Official 4 года назад

It’s in its specifications on their web so I guess you are lucky as it indeed looks like it’s there;)

@sigurdwerdammen1494 3 года назад

Can you use argon 8 for midi to, like serum to make your own melodys?

@Psychlist1972 4 года назад

There's a rack version. Awesome! Not enough of that around these days. Sounds great, too :)

@Screeeentime 4 года назад

3:25 Instant Huerco S. vibes!!

@bakerbaker4455 4 года назад

yesss

@patricebaumel 4 года назад

haha touché

@xpb1363 4 года назад

Bravo

@davenapox5464 3 года назад

Does this have anything in common with the 008, i.e. the sound sources etc.?

@agnzmusic3358 4 года назад

Great review, looks like a great synth, so many good options around this price point now. Wait for all the plebs to complain about the use of reverb....

@Skootavision 4 года назад

Stunning machine and I love the final look. Been accused of being an analogue purist, but I think I’m a synthesis purist and just anti rompler. Want one!

@almightyEsquilax 4 года назад

Knobs are good, too. As well as modulation options.

@patrickmurphy5842 4 месяца назад

13:37 is a dead ringer for the pad/ string sound used in Father Figure

@TonySway Год назад

Patch at 3:25 mind blowing!!

@flootymcdootymanooty9145 4 года назад

Neat, especially that live kick. Makes me wonder if it's capable of doing lots of other live sounds.

@davidsobel3303 4 года назад

I'm wondering if there's some lock function on the joystick in regards to the effects, i.e. the downpull. Seems like that would be good as you can do that with a traditional mod wheel

@joefalchetto94 4 года назад

If I'm not wrong you can have it clicking the button "hold" while keeping the joystick in the position that you want

@jonfromtheuk467 4 года назад

@@joefalchetto94 correct

@blakeyonthebuses 3 года назад

I buy any synth this guy recommends!

@kiko1935 4 года назад

Not a fan of the joystick an reliance on the shift button but an 8 voice synth for this cheap is pretty sweet, not to mention being unapologetically digital. Everyone is scared to do this nowadays but not modal.

@annother3350 4 года назад

Yes, I dont like a modulation that springs back. it's so easy to accidenatally wobble it holding it in place on a slow build track

@bobcatt2294 4 года назад

How does this compare in wave shaping and sound quality with the Korg Wavestate? The price point on these are nearly the same around: $700.00.

@Maulleygxxx 4 года назад

I’m glad they went with the charcoal grey faceplate... wasn’t feeling the dull silver finish 👎🏿

@st0rmchild 4 года назад

Yeah, looks great.

@plasmaforce11 4 года назад

18:50 just about a Solina, Eminent, SH-3a

@13opacus 4 года назад

Did you know what they were up to or are you just a prophet of synthesis? I need one! :)

@uyscuti5376 4 года назад

Mr Batt squeezed some good sounds out of this

@JuanAMatos-zx4ub 2 года назад

As he usually does ;)

@truekasia12 4 года назад

I really want one, but have to wait till march ;/

@wretchro100 3 года назад

hi... i need a small poly with the form factor, usb in and sync out of the Argon 8, to use alongside a small eurorack setup.... i was looking at the minilogue xd since i was a fan of the original, but this is more unique.... my question is, and i know it's apples and oranges but... which is more fun and visceral to play with and make sounds on? anyone out there with experience playing both? thanks

@moad8794 4 года назад

Sounds tasty

@quantumeseboy 4 года назад

Okay, this I like.

@Am6-9 4 года назад

Totally dig the sound of this. Not sure about the interface though, and the display font size seems really small...

@tsuobachi 4 года назад

True, but OLEDs are much easier to read than LCDs with a smaller font. Hopefully it won't be an issue in person.

@PhilAndersonOutside 3 года назад

This synth proves a great deal can be accomplished and programmed without having to be analog, or crazy expensive. Shame Waldorf never updated the XTk to be something like this, but Modal filled in the void here.

@vforvillain77 3 года назад

Eh, cant imagine this ever comparing to a Waldorf.

@reginaldbraithewaite5833 3 года назад

@@vforvillain77 He's comparing this model to a specific Waldorf model, not Waldorf itself or the entire Waldorf line ovef decades. That said, specifics would lend more weight to the argument.

@reginaldbraithewaite5833 3 года назад

Someone wrote: "Reginald Braithewaite: Waldorf means *any* Waldorf." Let's leave aside the fact that the poster spoke ***only of the Waldorf XTk***, which is why I responded. The greatest synth companies in the world make missteps because that's part of the exploration that goes into creating new devices. If they didn't, we'd have nothing but copycat synths. The PPG was one of the first synths I ever used on sessions and I hope the Quantum will be one of the next. But Waldorf's R&D are not Zeus's pantheon! Besides, Zeus made tons of mistakes! Loving instruments by Waldorf doesn't have to mean defending everything they do or refusing to compare the features of a Waldorf with those of another company's synth. Whether the Phil's comparison of features and sound is *accurate* is another question! I would say not, but I'd have to hear both instruments side by side to know.

@vforvillain77 3 года назад

@@reginaldbraithewaite5833 that was a hell of a lot of pointless yapping. Ouch. Theres a reason I deleted my comment by the way. And I don't really care about your thoughts or anything you're saying one way or another

@reginaldbraithewaite5833 3 года назад

@@vforvillain77 How polite of you to suggest, FeedMeSeymour. Happy to make your acquaintance, too. But let's be clear: You deleted your comment because you realized it showed you misread the OP. If I were like you, I'd call your comment "brainless yapping," but that's your mode, not mine. Everyone makes mistakes. And that's why I didn't use your name, BTW: So you wouldn't have to look foolish.

@digitaldiezel5870 4 года назад

This has 4 oscillators pre voice.

@leftmono1016 4 года назад

I recently bought a Skulpt and it's really impressive for the size. Might have to sneak an Argon8 into the house now. Modal are kicking bottom at the moment.

@PORRFNK 4 года назад

Been looking at this and came to the conclusion that the Blofeld can do a lot of the same and more, but the simple UI is really great. The FX on the Blofeld maybe isnt as good - But overall I think I will just keep the Blofeld. Really nice to see some good digital synths coming back into the game. Just wish it was multitimbral

@jugglerjoe 4 года назад

How about the Sledge 2.0 compared to the 2 mentioned (argon & blofeld)? Blofeld is really holding its own. Its been in production for a long while.

@teezdalien 4 года назад

Yeah the Blofeld has more under the hood, I just personally don't like the user interface and the menu diving. I wouldn't buy one of these if I owned a Blofeld either..

@troublesomecorsair 4 года назад

5oct version incoming

@cloudrun654 4 года назад

Will I be able to make it sound that good?

@jonfromtheuk467 4 года назад

yeah.....

@NextroneOfficial 4 года назад

Can someone confirm that 8x version has aftertouch mono or polyphonic? Also what type of keyboard? Fatar?

@sonicstate 4 года назад

Yes aftertouch but mono like the 8 I would think

@Detour1952 4 года назад

I love this video, I would really like to see Argon 8 vs Wavestate!

@SyntheticFuture 4 года назад

Definitely not the same type of synth. The Wavestate is all about sequencing. This is more a "traditional" synth with wavetables. Pretty much impossible to compare as they don't share a lot of features really.

@Detour1952 4 года назад

@@SyntheticFuture Thanks for clarifying that, I was on the fence about which one would be best for my projects.

@SyntheticFuture 4 года назад

@@Detour1952 np =) What specifically are you planning to do? I think in many cases the Argon will have an edge over the Wavestate. Wave sequencing is pretty involved and harder to control. So where happy little incidents will be absolutely amazing, things might get frustrating and you may not easily dial in a more basic sound. In this case especially I would strongly suggest not basing your opinion just on reviews. Try to get hands on experience. Even if it's just a few minutes it will tell you more than any person can =)

@spintonik 4 года назад

AFAIK wavestate is about 6GB of internal samples, one sequences, mangles in many ways (or just plays in a very simple S+S way). Argon is about very short waves shapes, that are synthesized in many ways. Waldorf Microwave XTk (1998) is quite similar to Argon 8. Wavestate is very unique (in a hardware world, check SW manufacturer Output for very similar sounding plugins), but I am waiting very eagerly, what just released Nord Wave 2 can do!

@jugglerjoe 4 года назад

@@SyntheticFuture How does this Argon compare to the Sledge 2.0? I'm not sure which to get and unable to demo them.

@dirkkeersmaekers4343 4 года назад

That desk unit,Argon8M is great for in my rack.

@MrKKmusic 4 года назад

Just bought it... every time you like something it costs me 💰

@sergiosensation6 3 года назад

What’s the verdict señor?

@LuisRodriguez-cf4tf 3 года назад

The Argon x8 is a monster. I love it. This and the Deepmind 12 are something else.

@b.fruklushnub5832 3 года назад

I wonder how are sounding the formants. I can't find demo with human voice pads (ahhhh oooohhh...)

@benjoe999 4 года назад

Next time show us the app please!

@incompetentlogistics 4 года назад

I have the Argon8 and I like it a lot. The shift function can be a bit cumbersome, but much better than menu diving. Also the envelopes are way too fast on its slowest setting. I like very slow evolving sounds, so it’s a shame and I can only hope Modal can adjust them in an update. One thing to mention though is that there’s more under the hood than what Nick showed. For example there’s more than one filter and you can adjust patch gain from the synth as well. The two knobs next to the LCD are push encoders and you can navigate lots of deeper settings by pushing and turning them. For example you push the left encoder to select the line on the LCD and then turn it to navigate. The right encoder is used to change the selected setting.

@incompetentlogistics 4 года назад

Also regarding the sequencer: they really really need to implement step sequencing. The real time business is usable but a chore compared to holding down a step and then press the key/chord you want.

@brianreilly6545 4 года назад

Erik Lauri Kulo Thx for this info! Fyi the minilogue xd amp evelope attack is way to fast as well. Like you and I enjoy very slow evolving sounds. Couldnt accept it, though I tried ha.

@DavidGCoombes 3 года назад

@5:53 - That 'triangle wave' is a saw wave.

@cortedemico 2 года назад

is that an actual monitor or a green screen? there was a delay that you wouldn't expect from a camera... i say monitor for some reason.

@Slowlyburnedelectronics 4 года назад

Hi. I am planning of buying this synth together with the minilogue xd. I am new to synths territory and I was worrying if this setup is actually a double of the same thing (more or less). Any advice?

@saifeek 4 года назад

Nostrom78 the minilogue xd is a pretty deep instrument, what’s the hurry in getting another synth simultaneously? Spend some time with it and learn its strengths and weaknesses before adding another unit

@Slowlyburnedelectronics 4 года назад

@@saifeek Actually I have not purchase any of them for the moment. I was thinking first to buy the Argon and then the Minilogue Xd..

@saifeek 4 года назад

Nostrom78 they are quite different machines. One is a digital wave table synth with 8 voices, the other is a 4 voice analog / digital hybrid. Do you prefer more voices or analog circuitry? Do you need after touch in keybed or not? Argon has, MXD doesn’t. Best to try them both in a store to make up your mind

@Slowlyburnedelectronics 4 года назад

@@saifeek Thanks! Yes I will wait until the argon is also available for a trial in my nearest store and I will definitely try them out.

@HotStrange 4 года назад

Assad Saifullah Khan this is great advice. I’ve been playing synths for years and I still don’t like to buy more than one at a time else it’ll encourage me to spend less time getting to know each synth. And really getting to know your gear pays off in dividends after a while.

@pizzagogo6151 4 года назад

Great synth, excellent demo....short keybed is fine for an analogue mono, but I don’t get it for a synth of this capability........ edit: apparently 61 key or tabletop now available! that makes much more sense!

@ryderl3988 4 года назад

Good Day Nick.... Cheers

@fiddlestickzmuzik 4 года назад

nice little synth.

@motherbrain2000 4 года назад

with this synth costing $750 one is forced to consider: Korg Wavestate $799 Hydrasynth Desktop $799 the argon's single filter type (I know it's multimode) is a surprising limitation considering it's digital.

@motherbrain2000 4 года назад

Not too mention (if we are considering wavetable hardware synths): microfreak $299 minilogue XD (has a wavetable oscillator)$649

@Maulleygxxx 4 года назад

I’m not considering anything. Getting all 3 😂😂😂

@Jason75913 4 года назад

Wavestate isn't wavetables, unless you consider the Neutron and other such synths that can blend their waveforms wavetable synths as well

@supermonkeycollider 4 года назад

@@Maulleygxxx THAT'S THE SPIRIT!

@Chevytravelleruk 4 года назад

Licinius Varrus Wavestate can do wavetable.. go and learn more about Wavesequencing before stating such things

@synthshoot1026 4 года назад

4:51 How can a digital sin wave have both mid and low end? A sin wave is only one harmonic. Thanks for the review.

@dairebarefoot6763 4 года назад

Synth Shoot I thought long and hard about your comment. Also listened to the video over and over, as well as checked out some sine wave tests on RU-vid. I do believe that sine waves are theoretically just fundamental tones however when being pushed through a speaker the waves begin to move air which is a little chaotic and the low end sine waves create harmonics that are perceivable. Once I heard sine waves in the mid range however I couldn’t perceive any depth or overtones. I’d imagine the lower end waves have the ability to rattle other objects and create overtones out of them indirectly. The point you bring up is so interesting.

@tobiaszimmer9624 4 года назад

Aliasing?

@smartwerker 2 года назад

Frequency is a thing! Sine waves are merely "smooth" periodic waves (not cusps or discontinuity). Speed the frequency of the wave and get high pitch sounds. Slow the frequency and you get low pitch sounds

@iantanner7579 4 года назад

Looks gorgeous, sounds sublime. Being retired, i just can't justify the purchase, -i keep looking at old pieces in my collection that i don't use anymore, but i just feel too attached to it all, - which i guess is pretty sad in reality, but isn't that what we're all trying to escape anyway? i hope the competition doesn't over-shadow the achievements *modal* have made here, - surprising how many wavetable systems have appeared recently...

@pixelissue 3 года назад

First review of 2020.. before the world collapsed!

@Pighood 4 года назад

So no Oscillator FM eh Quantum omitted this, too.

@gexcube1981 4 года назад

good morning, I can receive your reflection on the two synths: argon8 korg wavestate about my musical genre trance and techno; I have watched the videos for some time and not having the opportunity to try them in person, I ask you who are experts. I would like to receive a greater impression to make my purchase decision. thanks

@GB3770 4 года назад

i dont know alot about either but i think the korg wavestate is a better choice - i also advise you to look at the korg minilogue xd - that will do amazing trance and techno - both genres i also make...

@sodiumlights 2 года назад

UK company, right?

@nellsonogmore5938 4 года назад

I like it.

@rickr.mortis4821 3 года назад

This one or the ASM Hydrasynth? Decisions...decisions.

@mati.mati.flandepollo 3 года назад

Strangely enough my thoughts exactly

@rickr.mortis4821 3 года назад

@@mati.mati.flandepollo I bought the Hydra. :)

@RikMaxSpeed 4 года назад

Funny watching this, then, a few days later, Modal announce a 5-octave keyboard and a module!! You're a genius Nick, should rebrand yourself as a music business strategist! ;)

@Phil-1 4 года назад

Wow that was quick. They've announced module and 61 key versions.

@nathankirklambo1986 4 года назад

It’s cool. Sounds good

@Temporalmixproductions 4 года назад

Pretty awesome, but I have so many soft synths that do a great job with wavetable synthesis already. If I'm going to dish out money on hardware, I want analog.