Sonic Superstars is a Hot Mess - RadicalSoda 

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Are the other characters malleable water beasts, though?

​@@justafan9399That malleable water beast used to be _a Chao._ I think that counts. 🤯

​@@autobotstarscream765 and chao's used to be the acinets from frontiers

Real?

@@NinetailsNinetales5TimesFast yeah, I found that out by accident.

its probably unintencional

@@Zero-ontheleft no, they have a unique animation for it that shows you getting crushed and then reforming.

@@shyguygaming5397 That is weirdly polished for this game

Better than playing them!

@@MrSpartan993wrong

@@MrSpartan993 not wrong, some are hella expensive but don’t tell me you actually think that ALL games are bad, or WRONG

Who's right? A *spartan* or a dice block ?

@@MrSpartan993 wrong, but actually correct if you think about it...

Arzest, should be Arrest as in they should be arrested for crimes against gaming.

Apparently they have a good rep within the industry for not going over time or budget.

​@@SalnaxThe reason Sega probably hired them

@@Salnax Apparently they accomplish this by not doing any bugfixing whatsoever...

They made Blinx, don't shit on that!

You and me both lmao

Same here.

same

You are loosing on a banger of a franchise lol

With each day that goes by i start wishing more and more that that were me

I feel like I've heard this about a Sonic game before... a thousand times. orz

@@dawk7 yes, unfortunatelly its not a new problem, and it always screws the game over. I don't know why SEGA keeps rushing their developers. Its this attitude that made so many talented people leave SEGA for Nintendo

honestly, I think that's my biggest issue with a lot of Sonic games. The ideas themselves aren't bad, I'd say in most games they've made I can see how they could be really fun. But something about it usually turns out to be a huge letdown. I bought Frontiers a while after it came out and while I can see why people like it, I also think that game is missing a ton of polish. It also makes me feel so torn because I could see myself having some fun with Superstars but the lack of polish makes playing games like this boring and/or frustrating sometimes. I also notice that studios besides sega are rushing games and it sucks to wait and see if a game gets fixed or not, because not all of them get decent patches.

@@GwyndolinOwO yeah I have the same sentiment. Frontiers at launch was very unpolished, lucky for us, they added the updates to the game and it gave the game more polish, mainly in the movement, its one of my favorite sonic controls in 3d now. But, to reach this, it took 1 whole year to give us things that *should've* been there at launch. And even then, the last update was unpolished as well and its clear that it needs an update too (which is coming according to the steam page). Just because SEGA could get away with it before (with the classic era), doesn't mean that they can now, nor they should. I would gladly wait more for a more polished experience. If SEGA didn't rush their developers, and didn't made their lives so awful (Iizuka almost losing his job just to delay Frontiers comes to mind), they wouldn't have lost so many talented people as well

Consumers and Developers alike have been asking SEGA to stop rushing things for 30 years, it's a fool's errand at this point.

The series has never sold very well in Japan, so since Japanese people can be very xenophobic and SEGA is run by old men, it's a "who cares the games will still sell and even if they suck no one who MATTERS will play them" situation. Until Frontiers which sold like crazy everywhere and is why the Sonic Generations remaster is getting a whole new Shadow chunk.

They are able to transform wdym

@@TORXINYUEXAVIERSTUDENTWhere's Tail's flicky army of death though?

Yup... Do I need to even bring up Sonic Heroes and those bubble things?

@@thecubeman381 Oh god, I love Sonic Heroes but that decision... 😓

B-but, isn’t it “if everyone’s super... no one is” Jk jk this game is filled with weird choices

Took the quote "Gotta go fast!" a _little_ too literally...

I almost wouldn't be surprised if that's actually what they were doing, how else do they still release games in these terrible states.

Royal Harmonica from newgrounds? DrunkGecko has found you lol

Yeah, I’m pretty sure it’s in Forces too

THANK YOU! It was driving me nuts not remembering where that was from.

Might be wrong but isn't it also used for the menus in generations?

Isn't it also in Colors?

This effect has been used in someway in every 3d game past 06

Fr. Sonic fans hate sonic

"Don't fuck with us Sonic fans, we hate Sonic just as much as you do." - Some guy in the comment section, 2018

“Sonic fans, hating our favourite games for petty things more than Nintendo fans since Sonic ‘06 (we refuse to forget about a game made 17 years ago even though it was not that bad)”

@@TORXINYUEXAVIERSTUDENT real

@@TORXINYUEXAVIERSTUDENTIs this comment seriously trying to imply Sonic 06 "was not that bad"? Yeah, one of the worst games ever made is "not that bad". Sure.

Who's Rob? Is she related to RadicalSoda?

@@HOTD108_ "Rob" is RadicalSoda's real name.

Game doesn't teach you that, or if it does we didn't notice it

@@Hackstr_ true, but if it’s there, it’s worth mentioning.

@@Hackstr_ but that's intuitive, why wouldn't you try that

​@@vazazell5967the first thing i do in a game is try all the buttons, gamers today seem to not do anything unless the game tells them so

You can also use the right stick to select one assuming you remember which direction it is, with no need to press any other buttons aside from the activate button

The quality of the outsourced game didn't compete with the game developer internally at Nintendo EPD. I'm surprised anyone thought it would.

@@seacliff217 Because Sonic team is SO COMPETENT at making 2D sonic games lately... Reminder that all of the GBA and DS sonic games were outsourced to Dimps (the same devs as Sonic Pocket Adventure) with Sonic Team "supervising".

​@@warbossgegguz679the gba and ds sonic games were good tho (except Brotherhood)

I mean SEGA did to themselves when they priced this obviously cheaply made game at a $60 premium and released it in the same week as Mario Wonder, a game with a lot more care an imagination behind it. Even without the Mario comparison why should anyone buy Superstars when Mania is a MUCH better game and is only 1/3 of the price? SEGA has and continues to shoot themselves in the foot when it comes to Sonic. Despite it being their freaking mascot they refuse to put in the resources and time to make a truly great game. They dumped the gifted and passionate team behind their biggest critical success in over a decade (Mania) to instead go to the lowest bidder they could find and it shows.

@@Batterskull SEGA!? Mismanaging a project and crippling it for the sake of short-term profitability?! PREPOSTEROUS!

So much regret

Definitely true if you're buying the game at launch on two different platforms. I was lucky enough to get it for £38, and even then I feel robbed.

I saw in a youtube comment that they appear only if you manage to avoid attacks, even though they don't hurt you it counts towards Amy and Trip appearing

It told me it, so maybe you guys missed it? The L and R power switching I had no idea about, but it shows you that during the power demos and settings.

I didn’t even know about the L and R switching, just the joystick thing

This is an extremely "Chrischan-eque" complaint about this. Also, this is the Classic continuity, Shadow doesn't exist (that we know of).

​@warbossgegguz679 Aren't they trying to fix that as of late and did rescind that statement...that being said teleportation does kinda save the time just waiting for the vine to get you to a point.

@@zjzr08 I would LOVE if they stopped the whole "Classic sonic and modern sonic are 2 sperate universes" thing but idk. It's one of the many things Forces introduced that's extremely stupid, despite Generations making it clear it was a time travel thing. I figured they used vines because it would make the mechanic still involve platforming and not just totally break movement by giving you the ability to literally warp anywhere in any direction. I said what I said because even if you disagree with that, arguing about it on the basis of "canon" is extremely autistic.

@@warbossgegguz679 how in the fuck is this "chrischan-esque" complaint and also what the fuck does that even mean

@warbossgegguz679 I'm not sure what autism has to do with that idea, but adding what was already known abilities of the Chaos Emerald, does make it feel that it's more connected with the series a bit, adding a sense of continuity and consistency to build on, which many long franchise fans usually want.

I was about to say this. I encountered *very* few glitches during my playthrough, outside of the average amount I'd find in any game nowadays. And I played on the switch, which some claim would likely be the buggiest port

The game was a glitchy disaster if you played before the day one patch.

@@broom673 Bro, I was a Day One Adopter

@rcbmaverickhunterpolarity1544 Yes, but this was like the midnight release. I played it the moment it came out. They fixed it the next morning. Lagoon City Act A had atrocious graphical glitches with Amy and Trip's textures flickering like crazy before the patch, and the overworld would teleport me to the final zone where I would fall into a black void whenever you went to the shop when prompted to do so. The shop glitch still exists, but it happened everytime prepatch.

@@broom673 Yet again, so did I. I played through the midnight release, and yet I was still weirdly without extensive glitches. Kind of just played the game and didn't have any problems. I did admittedly replay the first stage, so I didn't get past Speed Jungle, so I imagine any patches would have fixed my experiences, since at that point the only glitches would be ones I invoke, like the Non-Drain Super.

THANK YOU 🙏 I NEEDED THIS INFO FOR SO LONG (well, I have already beaten it so it's useless but still)

Sonic Frontiers, & Knuckles

Someone clearly hasn't fought the Iblis worm in Sonic '06.

Like most of the bad Sonic games. I also don't understand why they released this like a year after Frontiers. I know it was made by a different team, but couldn't they have released this in the next year? An extra year would allow for more polish.

Sadly Sonic Fans will still eat it up and say “SONIC IS IN A GREAT SPOT RIGHT NOW WITHIN THE PAST 15 YEARS!” When in reality the only real successes were the movies and Sonic Frontiers. I guess Murder of Sonic as well but that’s not a mainline game.

At least it controls pretty well. If only we could have the 3D games control well.

​@@okagronsonic team loves releasing yearly games

​@@Butwhythough881We're Sonic fans, we hold onto any victory no matter how small and hold it up like Simba at the beginning of The Lion King.

It’s a fucking turd, but it’s a 2D sonic game so 35 year old virgins eat it up and hail it as a return to form.

It's Alright. If you're looking for Mania 2, no. If you're looking for a decent 2D sonic, it's fine. Sort of like the Advance games imo. Like 7/10. above average, but not "amazing". Also WAY over priced. Didn't have the same amount of gliches when I played it on Ryujinx but idk. I think rob played the PS5 version so maybe avoid that one?

I didn't get the game and thinks it looks bad since launch date and had a feeling there was a catch. I don't think it's that good to be worth a 7 or more from just looking at the game since Rob already showed a lot of the same issues that I saw from other people even me strongly agreeing when he talked about the level themes.

@@nerodoesart5886 "I love going on message boards and complaining about games I've never played" I like how more than half of this comment section seems to be people that just assumed it was going to be trash and came here for confirmation bias. I'm not saying it's high art, it's not Mania 2 or even Advance 4/Rush 3 and I also emulated it, but the amount of people openly admitting they didn't play it before proceeding to say it's bad is honestly comical.

​@@warbossgegguz679 Yeah, of course. I didn't get it since I didn't think it was worth getting and I watched some people that I actually trust playing the games and I didn't buy it. It's common sense and honestly it's the best way for me to know if the game is good. I barely even complain about any game that I never played. This was the first. I don't have to play the game to tell if it's bad or not... I just know. I thought frontiers wasn't going to be good, I then saw a lot of praise and bought it out of curiosity then I hated it and even the fandom more for giving it a pass and blocking any critique from anyone without them on there knees and saying "don't get me wrong the game is still good, but..." excuse. I saw Superstars thought it didn't look good and it feel into my predictions, concerns, what I possibly thought was going to happen then it HAPPENED. So, of course I didn't buy and I'm going to buy something that I believe is a bad game. I listened to many people's impressions and from my own observation to give myself a full thought about it. I then noticed that it fell into line of my concerns about it then I didn't buy it, it's simple.

That's how I felt about Mario golf super Rush.

How i felt with frontiers. With this honestly there weren't expectations to begin with so it didn't hit as hard for me. Pour one out for innovative sonic game ideas

I'll just wait till it's 40 then lol.

@@nixter3196 At least with Frontiers now you have those 3 more DLC's and if on PC a lot of mods to play around with

And not even a Amy x trip yuri scene wats even the point of this game smh 😔 Rlly might wait for this to go on a HUGE sale I suggest everyone to do the same!

It was a coincidence

@@akiradkcn I don't really think so. Late October to mid-December is considered the holiday season and is the end of the fiscal year, so they probably rushed it to end on a high note. Also why they released Like a Dragon Gaiden within weeks of it. Gotta make as much bank as possible for the yearly reports. Not even being cynical, this is just a standard practice in the toy and video game industry. It's when you sacrifice the quality of said product for the sake of meeting that deadline (as was clearly done here with the patch that's 2/3 the size of the game itself) that I take issue.

Sega wants Sonic to surpass Mario, but refuses to give any of the games the time and resources they need to accomplish that.

The competition was never in Sonics favor if you look at sales figures TBH. Sonic got popular in the US, not so much in Japan, but nowhere near as popular as mario in either.

​@@warbossgegguz679Nah, Mario is more popular!

Played through this game seven times, I know for a fact that calling this game "a hot mess" is factually untrue. I'm not a "Sonic apologist", I don't have to be, it's just untrue. It's not perfect, obviously, nothing is - but claiming it's "a hot mess" is just absolutely crazy.

@@AniGaAG It does seem weirldy bugged though

@@jaydenc367 Had two bugs in seven playthroughs. One crash, and one time the camera was stuck elsewhere on the hub. That's it. Playing since release day.

​@AniGaAG it's definitely a hot mess, not just glitches. It's just so painfully average at best and terrible at worst

@@NeroV1L3 Not really. Nah at best it's pretty good and fun.

Sega literally does not care about the quality of Sonic games. 25 months ago, they released a game that could (potentially) cause sezuires and had no warning. Sega just keeps giving Sonic Team _barely_ enough time and budget to release an actual game, because they know "it's a Sonic game, it'll sell well anyway". However, people stick around because they like previous games and believe the series has the potential to do better.

Yes. It’s amazing they haven’t changed their policy on that in 30 years.

I genuinely had no idea this type of donation exists as an option

There's ton of themes that haven't been done yet, what you are talking about? The fact that you think so shows how overall creativity is in the toilet right now.

if they find more original themes then awesome! but the "everyone wanted *only* original themes" criticism I don't understand or agree with. I have never once thought that Sonic should ditch quintissential Sonicy aesthetics like casinolike stages, just because I want them to stop literally reusing Green Hill and Chemical Plant or making zones that are identical to old zones in everything but name.

The worst bug i had in SM2 was a crash and some models not loading (cube glitch) but compared to this game, in the words of radicalsoda it take the cake and shits on it

Hmm just like most Sonic games…

WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK NEARLY 300 DOLLARS FOR THIS?

@@antonn.mp4 Well, when I say 289, it's 289 reais (the money from here isn't valorized like It was before for some reason, and now SEGA made the prices of the games on Brazilian Steam go with 3 times the original price, EVEN SONIC ADVENTURE DX now it's more expensive than It was before

@@retrodeveloper9156 that’s insanity bro

@@antonn.mp4 and that is Why here alot of people Pirates Pc games or downloads pirated games, Because the prices are high as hell

I haven't run into a single glitch, he's playing it up for the video lol Edit: Just remembered one, and it was a music glitch that happened when you went into a boss fight as super-it played the stage music instead of the super music. No other ones happened to me, though.

@@Kujaguy no i actually watched his stream , he ran into most of those glitches if not all . also what? how did that happen? cuz usually they take you out of your super form when enter a boss arena

@@fredtheboss7653 Yeah, if you get taken out of super while entering a boss arena, you lose your super form. But the regular zone music plays instead of the boss music. It's happened with every boss I've tried. IDK how RadicalSoda kept finding all these bugs, I'd have to be a bug tester to try and find HALF the stuff he's run into, lol.

@@Kujaguy i know right? the guy's a bug magnet . your bug never happened to me before, i had a similar bug where the music stooped playing after i got hit while i had a power active but then i activated another power and it fixed it

@@fredtheboss7653 Every copy of Sonic Superstars is personalized 🤣

Not to excuse Epic being required on Steam in any form, but you can play the game, you just can't do online multiplayer stuff.

> still needed EGS and an Epic Account to PLAY THE GAME YOU ALREADY PURCHASED While it did ask for an Epic login on boot, you could dismiss it and play fine.

@@321cheesemanBut even then it's got Denuvo, which is just instant disgust. Add to that the fact the Switch NSP leaked several days before official PC launch and yeah. ... Allow me to put SEGA pretending they're OK with romhacks, fangames, and emulation (as long as it's sonic and NOTHING ELSE) to the test :^)

@@Knuxfan24 I mean, I didn't buy it, I went off steam reviews. Either way it's stupid.

@@warbossgegguz679 I don't disagree that they botched the release, especially on PC. Sega always finds some way to sabotage anything Sonic.

It’s more like the New Super Mario Bros series tbh. The more basic art style and 4 player multiplayer make that comparison bigger

@@sahaprocks7751I think the visuals of this SMOKE NSMB, but I would more so agree because I feel exactly the same about this as I do NSMB: It's not AMAZING or really equal to stuff like Mania or the GBA/DS games, but it's still solid enough and fun enough that I can't be like "NEVER TOUCH IT!" or say it's shit. The only real issue is the price tag and lack of polish technically, but those are more of a Sega thing than anything else.

@@warbossgegguz679 yeah. It’s not a bad game but 60?

@islandman7694 You don't know how far down i scrolled

Yep! Biggest flaw BY FAR is just that this shouldn't be $60. Mania was $20 ffs. That said, I like the visuals personally. Idk maybe it's just the Sonic the Fighters fan in me but i like seeing the retro designs in 3d and NOT weird and desaturated like in forces. I love well done animated sprite work, but I don't think this game fails to capture the visual style of the Classics (at least personally).

Spittin'