Sonny Payne w/Harry James Sept 1970 "Apples" drum solo 

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@@happychildhood591 Harry told me that Jackie Mills and Sonny Payne were the best drummers he ever had.

Think of the equipment, the setting, the times. Everything they had to use at that time. I think the video is great.

@@SKragseth I counted 5 camera angles. Equipment was not a problem and if it was, just show the man behind his set doing his thing from a couple angles and leave it alone. The setting is meaningless, too. A stage is a stage, a gig is a gig, a concert is a concert. I have seen the same production for drum solos in every decade. Doesn't matter. The times? I'm not certain what you mean there. Era has nothing to do with it, either. Drum set artistry, especially from a very physical player like Payne, should not be the place producers decide to become artsy with everything but, 90% of the time a drummer ends up being fragmented from his solo by total over-production of the moment. The audience present at the gig sees it all. Why should the audience watching film or live media performance be any different? For some reason, every other musician soloing will receive respectful showcase of their hand's performance, or their face and hands in the case of horn players. Their hands remain in a very enclosed environment. The drumist can be reaching a total a six feet or more all around them. For film, if you care about the player's performance, meaningless camera angels at the soloist's expense is rude and insulting, imo, regardless of the times.

@@REFondrums 💯 agreed, absolutely awful direction and editing

Sonny was the best overall drummer Harry ever had.

@@ChuckParDueMusic I agree 100%..you could also see the love that Harry had for him in his eyes when he introduced him. Too bad he died so young...even his father, Chris Columbus, outlived him by over 20 years!

​@@dinodeluca6210 No way. Listen to 1966 "Live at the Riverboat" with Louie Bellson.

Sonny fit Harry's band better than buddy rich. Sonny was much more musical and a heck of a nice guy.

@@ChuckParDueMusic fantastic job with these videos Chuck.

You're welcome!

Tonya, please keep on playing! If Sonny was here he would want you “speak your passion “ on those drums!

That is film

Tighten the bottom head a little more

I don't know about that. But Sonny had ongoing substance abuse problems that Basie got tired of dealing with.

@@ChuckParDueMusic i heard when Sonny got sick, Harry James picked up the bills

@@arame29 and he paid for Sonny's funeral.

@@ChuckParDueMusic , I never understood WHY? Fuck those greedy vulture funeral directors, Shouldn't have given them a dime!!!

@@ChuckParDueMusic ??? I never heard that!!! I know Sonny had problems with alcohol, (vodka), but not drugs! Enlighten me. I once downed a bottle of wine with him at a Harry James gig. He was going to come to my house and give me a drum lesson, but then he died soon thereafter. Wonderfully nice & very hip, cool guy! He did not like playing dances. Much preferred night clubs, where people sat down & really listened.

Why?

hey stuffed shirt....Tony and Elvin were both great...but ....wouldn't have been there without ...Gene...and ..Buddy

Speaking about drummers without even speak about Chick Webb, Jo Jones, Cosy Cole, Art Blakey is like speaking trumpet without Armstrong, Dizzy, Miles and Clifford

@@markgeiger7700 completely wrong ! As if they were no others drummers than Rich and Krupa !!!!! Go back to school...

Bernard Rich is only one, that's right, but Sony doesn't give up on him, that's clear. He is there next to him!

I view drummers not necessarily as being better or worse than one another. But all of them are different styles to learn, appreciate, and most importantly imitate

"way way" and "vastly"? Art Blakey was the greatest, IMHO. Tony Williams, Kenny Clarke, Elvin Jones, Roy Haynes, Gene Krupa, Steve Gadd, Joe Morello, Peter Erskine. How can you say any of these is WAY WAY better or vastly superior than the next. Rich is up there on the Jazz Drummers of Mt Rushmore. Forget black and white. Jazz doesn't have colors.

@@andrewkeats8247 Unfortunately Andrew the peak of Bebop style jazz was at a time when racism was rampant in America. Any black jazz musician at the time would tell you how hard it was to get a paying gig based on the color of their skin. As far as Buddy Rich is concerned, he had tremendous technique but lacked musicality. I can't think of one important jazz record that he participated in. Although I would agree that Buddy Rich is one of the greatest drummers of all time, I also think that he is highly overrated and overshadowed some tremendous talent. Also, many people like to rank great musicians. Just because you don't believe in it doesn't mean that I can't. I enjoy doing it and lots of other people do as well.

@@camsteele586 I'll agree in the sense that Rich may have been more of an entertainer.

Cam Buddy once said" be your own man your style of playing" Sonny I believe, brings something else to the table, this performance was mind blowing, all the greats create their own style and Sonny put his on this chart to which any drummer would appreciate