Sony 135mm f/1.8 vs Leica APO Summicron-SL 90mm f/2: A Game of Inches

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@dannylander289 5 лет назад

I really appreciate how calm, soothing and articulate you are in delivering your opinions and reviews

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Dannylander 🙏🏻

@christopherbgriffith 5 лет назад

I love how Hugh's discussion of two lenses has such gravitas that he could be giving a Philosophy lecture. "Hold that thought" is my current favorite phrase.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Christopher Griffith we’ll have to send you our “Hold That Thought” t-shirt!

@christopherbgriffith 5 лет назад

I had no idea that was a thing!

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Christopher Griffith 3bmep.threadless.com 😊

@kane01337 5 лет назад

@@3BMEP Great video! Definitely give the Milvus 135 f2 a go for something special :)

@Biosynchro 5 лет назад

He *is* giving a philosophy lecture. ;-)

@erickgalvan6030 4 года назад

I honestly can't see the price tag on the Leica lens to be justified, after comparing it to the Sony. Stellar review and quality work!

@ChrisSheridan295 5 лет назад

Thanks for another insightful, informative and beautifully presented video Hugh. You remind me of my grandfather in your voice and your mannerisms, he was a New Yorker too and I miss him so it makes your beautiful videos even more comforting. Still use his pentax and voightlander. Please keep it up, Chris.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Chris Sheridan what a lovely comment, Chris. Thank you!

@stevevansak7324 5 лет назад

Great analysis, as always! I recently rented the Leica 90mm SL F2 lens and attached it to my Lumix S1. I have to say, the lightness and small size of the lens was great for using at a wedding all day. The image quality was superb and F2 was plenty of bokeh for me. I think it focuses pretty close too if I remember right so that creamed my backgrounds even more. Now, to come up with $5150 for it… Mmmmm… not so sure about that!

@manleycreations6466 5 лет назад

I don't have the money for either of these setups but I could listen to Hugh talk all day, very calming and informative to boot.

@Gynra 3 года назад

I don't know whether I'm biased (probably), but when the Sony shots were phased into the Leica ones, it blew my socks off. The Sony was good, but that Leica... oh man! It was magic.

@AlreadyTiredOfYou 5 лет назад

You just don't get enough attention over here. It's always a pleasure to hear you open the discussion.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

🙏🏻

@JennyDarukat 5 лет назад

On the value side of things you can go even yet another step and a half over the G9-Oly75 combo with a GX9 or E-M5/10 II and Sigma 56 1.4 - shallow pocketable portraits with great IBIS and very little compromise, it's unbelievable what we can do with so little bag space and monetary investment. And we don't even need to get started on adapting something like a Takumar 50 1.4 or 55 1.8 if you have the time and patience to focus manually. There's just so many options. 📸 👀

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Jenny Darukat GREAT POINTs, Jenny! Should have thought of that myself! 😊

@richardpcrowe 5 лет назад

I love the focus hold buttons on some of my Sony lenses (85mm f/1.8 and 70-200mm f/4 G OSS) which I have programmed for Eye-AF on my A6500 and AF-On with my A6400. Since the A6400 has full time Eye-AF programming it for AF-On is easier for me than using rear button AF...

@nathanhirsch4408 4 года назад

The difference in focal length from 90 to 135mm is noticeable, especially when photographing people. 135mm is great for compressing a subjects' features and has a slimming effect that works for many individuals, but not all. Ideally you'll want to have a lens that covers both lengths so you can mix it up depending on who you're photographing.

@dominick3579 5 лет назад

Damn he really turned that story full circle. I actually have the canon fd 135 2.5 and I’m saving up for the sigma 135 for Sony

@Macros1971 5 лет назад

Great perspective on this. Love it!

@paulcox7503 4 года назад

I was considering the Sony 135mm f1.8 with the A7 III until I realised the A6400 with the 85mm f1.8 gave a similar look, had significantly better AF than just about anything, and was far more portable. As a bonus, the combination cost less than the 135mm lens alone. For my preferred subject, shooting dancers outdoors, I can’t think of a better combination.

@villagranvicent 5 лет назад

Excellent video and comparison, glad to learn you also like the M8, I LOVE mine... took it to a trip to Japan along with my then A7, and the Sony ended up 99% of the time inside the luggage. (is not only about image quality...) :)

@IanWilkinson 5 лет назад

3:43 Hmm. You had me checking my a7R III's Help Guide for Aperture Preview (and Shot. Result Preview), because I've never considered those options before since I'm pretty sure that I get a WYSIWIG view simply with Setting Effect ON. Assigning either of those two Preview options to a custom button only seems to be necessary with Setting Effect OFF, and even then a half press of the shutter button achieves the same preview result as the custom button feature. Of course, your mileage may vary ;)

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Ian Wilkinson Ah!!i no longer have the camera with me. I’ll check our a6400z

@56floorer 5 лет назад

Thank you, another thoughtful presentation ( that is one very enjoyable movie too).

@TuhinTulsyan 5 лет назад

Hi! Would like recommend a xt3 to shoot streets at night? Practically using just the street/shop lights or headlights from vehicles on road?

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Yep. See my answer to a similar question just asked!

@TuhinTulsyan 5 лет назад

@@3BMEP thanks a ton for replying to my questions. I am really thankful for being so humble. Also, sorry for bothering you with same question, it's just this thing has totally occupied my mind ryt now. Thanks

@KimCruz1 5 лет назад

hey there a fan of the channel! Was just wondering if you changed your camera setup recently? Was this episode shots on the GH5 or the G95?

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Kim Cruz Good eye! We (almost) always list the gear we use below each video in the show notes, as much for me as our viewers. In this case, we shot with our new Sony a6400 and old E 50/1.8 OSS. Our little B1M mic test was shot on an a7R IV, and our Nikkor Z 85/1.8 preview vid was shot on a Nikon Z with the Nikkor S 50/1.8. Incredible gear these days!

@KimCruz1 5 лет назад

@@3BMEP well it looks great! Not that it wasn't good before but the picture's a bit warmer than previously so that got me thinking a change in color grade or.... a different camera altogether! side note, to my screen/eye, it looks similar to the color science on the G95!

@gchristopherklug 5 лет назад

Love this and I also love the embedded text commentary

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

So glad, Chris!

@barrycohen311 5 лет назад

You made some great points Hugh. I am not sure if these super fast, long focal length, lenses make much sense. I have an old 1970s Nikkor 135mm f2.8 and it literally gets one eyelash in focus at f/2.8. (Used on a D810). The shallow DOF is insane. Great for some crazy artistic statement, but not for normal portraiture. Having said that, for full body shots at a reasonable distance away, they start to make a little more sense. One can turn the background into creamy, potato soup. Even at full body shot distances. My Nikkor 135mm usually gets used at 5.6 and even at that, the background is pure indistinguishable cream. I also have an old Soviet Jupiter-11 135mm f/4, and I have never missed the lack of shallow DOF.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Baruch Cohen Great points. I think the ideal distance from the subject is that for the motorcyclist - as you see, full body shots with beautifully separated background. Should have made that point myself! 🙏🏻

@dallasthomas5489 5 лет назад

Excellent review Hugh, I love your work. Try the Zeiss Milvus 135 I think it would really float your boat, the IG well is good and .........

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Dallas Thomas I thought the 100 was great - I should take a look. Thanks!

@dallasthomas5489 5 лет назад

@@3BMEP A while ago I bought the Milvus 25/1.4 wow heaven in a lens also worth a look and play, The IQ is wow.

@aziznasuti2690 4 года назад

135mm Zeiss is the best 135mm of all the time period

@JoseDeida 5 лет назад

I love the Canon 135 2.5 FD via metabones speedbooster on my Fuji XT2.

@MegaNardman 5 лет назад

I really appreciate your conclusion to this video. People get wrapped up so much in what's "best," and lose sight that almost all modern cameras are fantastically capable systems. One thing I must disagree on, though is the dedicated aperture ring on the GM lenses. I was a bit surprised when I tried them, but I found them to be much faster than the a7iii's body dials in practice, and I love having a physical setting as opposed to having to look at the screen or EVF to check what my aperture is set to. This is especially handy (for me, at least) if you need to rip down from f/5.6-8 (my default for walking around) to f/1.4 to catch a wide open shot at a moment's notice.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Nick You may force me to re-evaluate... in time... 😊 Thanks for sharing!

@MegaNardman 5 лет назад

@@3BMEP To be fair, my experience is with the 24mm 1.4 GM, I'd imagine the 135mm is much more deliberate. :)

@edwinparker6732 5 лет назад

Fascinating as always. I can recommend the Samyang/Rokinon 135mm f:2 as a modern, full manual design. Get the Cenon EF mount version and buy adapters to use with Sony, Fujifilm, Leica M & L, and Micro 4/3 mounts. I guess that should work for the Nikon mount version too. Also, find a copy of "Modern Color" by Fred Herzog to see what a genius can achieve using Leica M, 50mm and 135mm lenses and Kodachrome.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Edwin Parker I’ll check him out!

@edwinparker6732 5 лет назад

Ted Forbes has a couple of features at ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-y6qv9o-Syuo.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-E14KXmaUNgs.html 🙂

@Noealz 5 лет назад

btw grats on the 50k again : )

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Thanks, man!

@tscott6843 Год назад

I don’t recall seeing you in color video. Prefer the B&W. Always great content either way.

@Innovate-pq9ci 5 лет назад

You can get an old 135mm Nikkor lens for around $400 instead. It will have less than half the number of elements meaning it's not overcorrected for resolution and chromatic aberrations and will have superior rendering, image fidelity and output. Wide angle lenses have vastly improved in the last 10-20 years, but mid-telephoto... has somewhat degraded. Since when do we need 12+ elements in a 135mm?For reproductive work it's a different story, I can definitely see the value in having an optimal resolution from the lens, at the cost of general rendering and color fidelity.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Great suggestion - thanks!

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

** I’m seeing these resolution issues with some of the Voigtländers.

@Innovate-pq9ci 5 лет назад

Yes they usually do - resolution it depends. Marketing wants us to believe that only recent lenses can be "good enough" for our modern cameras but that's not true. But yes it's not the right answer for everyone.

@Innovate-pq9ci 5 лет назад

** that's marketing right there. In reality try 1:1 comparison between an older quality lens (that's important) and a recent one. In some cases older lenses resolve even better while still keeping all the positive aspects of a low element count lens.

@Innovate-pq9ci 5 лет назад

** agreed on the bokeh ;) but it's just like wine, etc sometimes people are looking for something very specific

@gchristopherklug 5 лет назад

I have lots of shots taken with that very same Canon 135 at the Bottom Line during Bruce's 'Born to Run' debut shows.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Chris Klug outstanding!

@oneduelist 5 лет назад

Have you had any experience with the Fuji 90mm f2?

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

oneduelist not “in anger.”

@asdkant 5 лет назад

I have fuji's 90mm f/2 and it's lovely. My guess is that it would play the game of inches without issue paired with either the latest or second-latest gen sensors (X-T3's and X-T2's respectively)

@larsrosing5033 5 лет назад

Regarding AF! What about reintroducing eyetracking AF?

@FAMUCHOLLY 5 лет назад

Thanks!

@johnherzel718 5 лет назад

I too have the FD135 /2.5. Such nice pictures , what soft “rose colored lenses” with which we view the passage of time. What ugly reminders of imperfect technique/ design limitations these prints reveal. Damn it as it seems like a ball bearing has jumped the track in the helicoid focus mechanism. Focus...jump...skip...focus...shit....

@barrycohen311 5 лет назад

Hugh Brownstone, you is the man!

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Baruch Cohen 😎🙏🏻

@longrider9551 5 лет назад

I bet you could make a Corn Flakes vs Cheerios decision last all morning and interesting LOL

@andrewward7042 4 года назад

Baseball is a game of millimetres :-) No doubt you are a Yankees fan, but I still like you, Hugh.

@andrewward7042 4 года назад

P.S. The SL2 does have pixel shift. 187 meg file.

@3BMEP 4 года назад

Andrew Ward Thanks! Turns out it’s a 2020 update, not available on the pre-production units we had.

@andrewward7042 4 года назад

@@3BMEP I should have stated that, sorry.

@FarEastSurvival 5 лет назад

CL will be much worse in low light. A7III can nearly see in the dark. Try it with a cheaper and more importantly lighter 85mm f1.8 I prefer it to the heavier 1.4

@josecolon8143 5 лет назад

Great vid

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

🙏🏻, José!

@DidierMOULINPhotography 4 года назад

I watched until the end as usual! you have something that makes me watch the entire video every time!!! Well I saw an interesting point in this video, which is about the Elmarit M 90mm f/2,8. I got mine for 600€ very clean at a store (they made a mistake in the pricing and I was there at the right moment to take it) I have both TL2 and S1R and I was wondering if it makes sens to look after the SL90mm Summicron (one is on sale for 2500€ in a store close to me). What would be your advise as a portrait photographer? Don't hesitate to look at my channel which I just started 2 months ago, motivated by people like you. Best regards

@3BMEP 4 года назад

Didier MOULIN Photography WHAT???? An APO SummicronSL 90 for 2500€?? If it’s clean, GET IT RIGHT NOW. If your elmarit M 90/2.8 is very clean and latest version, I’ll buy it from you!

@DidierMOULINPhotography 4 года назад

@@3BMEP excellent !!! 😄 You made me lought !!! I have a doubt now. Is there a non APO 90mm SL Lens ? It's maybe the reason of this low price even if it is a used one. They sell also à Leica SL in mint condition for the same price. But honestly I tried it and prefer thé ergonomy of the S1R... Regarding manual focus assistance.

@3BMEP 4 года назад

I understand. There is only one 90mm SL lens, and that’s the APO. It’ s magnificent, and costs $5700 in the U.S. I cannot see how anyone would sell it for 2600€. The exchange rate is not that high!

@DidierMOULINPhotography 4 года назад

Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions you know what ? I will double check tomorrow because it’s not even official and my friend in this store told me personally about this as he knows how much fan I am. Even if it’s a very good bargain it’s still another huge expense for me. But the last one ever, I promise lol!!!!

@DidierMOULINPhotography 4 года назад

Ho my god. It's in my hands... On my S1R... 😉 😍😍😍

@singletrack29349 5 лет назад

Throw an XT3 w/ 90 f2 into the mix.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

singletrack29349 Good idea!

@VizionZine 5 лет назад

Love that setup for my portrait work.

@sundarAKintelart 4 года назад

All said and done, can a person buy a extremely good lens and a matching extremely good camera for the lens, and an another extremely good different lens along with an extremely good camera for the lens from a different camera manufacturers, and a totally different combination for an extremely good third lens +camera combination and so on... Not practically possible... Sometimes I feel we tend to be an Optical test bench technos rather than a happy photographers...

@3BMEP 4 года назад

I hear you.

@VariTimo 5 лет назад

They’re not for me. They compress everything too much. I don’t go tighter than 95mm (FF eq.) unless called for. Both for stills and video.

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

VariTimo Fair enough! :)

@josecolon8143 5 лет назад

I’m back!!!!!

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

José Colón Wecome back!

@josecolon8143 5 лет назад

Three Blind Men and An Elephant Productions thank you Sir! I miss your channel sooo much! But I’m back in the greatest nation on earth and land of the free!!!

@mariustoma5656 5 лет назад

Sharmezing, everyone loves Hugh but no one tells him the WB (white balance) it's so off that his face looks like the surface of Mars. Otherwise good content as always :)

@3BMEP 5 лет назад

Marius Toma I’ve given up - the differences from to screen are so great... but fine, I’ll pull out my Color Checker next time...😊