I owned the A7C for about 2 years and loved it. It was bought as a secondry, smaller and lighter option to my A7R3. I found it to be a great camera for just about everything i ever shot - landscapes, wildlife, weddings, family life....i ended up selling both the A7C and A7r3 to buy the A7R5 and whilst i love the sound of this new A7C2, ooof that 60mp sensor in a tiny little body is very very tempting! To be honest, i never felt i needed more from my A7C, it was perfect for my needs, but i can really see the A7CR's potential and will most likely order one before the end of the year - could be a perfect landscape camera!
Love my A7C, fantastic full frame compact travel camera. And I sold a bunch of old gear to KEH so I’m familiar with them. But…KEH will only offer $860 for my A7C, so even though the A7C II has some nice improvements, the low KEH offer plus the A7C II price increase means a major expense to move up. Looks like I’ll wait until the A7C III or IV to upgrade.
Fantastic even handed video as always guys, thank you! Absolutely gutted they didn't put a high quality EVF in the R - so much of a 'rangefinder' style shooting experience IS the shooting experience, and it would have been perfect for that.
Still no answer for Nikon’s Z5 at (typical) sale price of $999. Yes the Z5 is due for an update, but Nikon didn’t go cheap on handling or EVF, which I appreciate.
Thanks Guys! Another great review. Not sure I'm really interested in either of these cameras, but your opinions, experiences and "hands on" reviews are simply priceless. Well done!
I order the A7Cr. I was going to update my A6500 to the A6700 but I realized the A7Cr is basically a A6700 in terms of resolution and also a A7Rv, two cameras in one. I was looking for a weight saving solution, so it seems this camera can use both my full frame and cropped lenses with about the weight of a A6700. I guess I will find out in a few days when the A7Cr is released.
Without a fan and another SD card slot, they are not for pros but perfectly good entry level cameras. Though, R8 is able to use the whole width of the sensor when shooting 4K 60p video.
If $2,200 to $3,000 (body-only) is "entry level", photography is officially dead for all but the wealthy. I know this is an expensive hobby, but come on.
The problem is the price point is not entry level. That is the issue with the whole A7c series. They are too good for their own good... They should be barebones ff-cameras at a much lower price point to make sense to exist alongside the A7iv and A7Rv
I'm so happy that Sony is making something for people who don't want a mega camera, I really hope other brands follow with a compact line. Canon, Nikon, Fujifilm, Panasonic, can't compete with the compact size of these. I don't ever need the hyper specs, but I do need some. So having a casual EDC middle ground option for travel-snap-documentary is great. Nice release. I'm tempted. ✨
Could you do a comparison video between the a7C II and the Panasonic S5IIX please? It's been kinda a hard for me to make the decision of what to get, nice video by the way
Sony really loves putting trash lcd screens on their cameras don't they. 1 million dot rear screen combined with tiny evf. Horrid combination. I know the Evf had to be downsized to keep the camera small, at least have the decency to put a better screen on the back. Especially on a camera that costs 3 grand. It helps with nailing critical focus when on manual.
Best video on the two cameras I've seen so far. Gerald Undone's was very dismissive and he lacked knowledge about the original A7C, and Kai W's missed so much of what's new.
Thank you for your initial look of the new generation of A7C bodies. Mentioned below but to reiterate. These are expensive cameras, in my opinion, for entry level bodies. Yes you are getting the guts of more expensive bodies. The question is will I be satisfied with a $3k entry level body? We are heading towards Leica pricing. Hope you already have glass. At this price point I would want better features. I realize there is more competition for less seats on the camera go round. If the manufacturers can’t make their money on volume they need to earn more per camera. Seems like Sony is going to Fuji’s playbook. Recycle hard and software of previous models. Sony isn’t as good about the recycling as Fuji is right now. From your initial review I am not impressed with this crop of A7C bodies. More will be revealed. Mask On Nurse Marty (Ret)
I wonder how this will sell with it's outdated displays. Would've been interested otherwise but seeing what you are shooting is too important to skimp on imo. Trying to hit focus on manual lenses would be too much of a pain too.
KEH just may offer you one price and then actually pay you a lower one, even when they agree with your condition estimates. I was expecting some discrepancy but they paid me 30% lower than their estimate. Can't recommend.
I can’t help thinking Sony should’ve chosen a different number for the A7C line. A5 II and A5 R would be much less of a mouthful. Although they sort of boxed themselves into a corner with having the both the A1 and A9 at higher tiers than the A7; would an A5 be better or worse than an A7? At least Nikon’s numbers go up and Canon’s go down as the prices increase. An A70 II and A70 R, perhaps? Gah, why do I even worry about this shit?
All the footage from the C2 looks under exposed and a little soft, somthing my be up with youtube and HDR. The CR footage looks way beter exposed and sharper.
I see A7cr more popular and better selling option. Just for that sensor and AF will be great option for photography. Video is meh, considering horrible rolling shutter. A7CII price makes no sense, pay a couple more hundred dollars and get A7IV. Compact form factor will lose its intention if you attach a big lens to it. But what is frustrating, is that Sony doesn't want to make an affordable FF camera , smth like Z5 and R8 , or even canon R. What's the reason for their refusal of such body? They will sell a ton of such a camera. But they release cameras with single card slot, very bad rolling shutter and bad screen. You can easily buy R6ii for this price.
Whoever is in charge of naming Sony’s cameras should go grab the PlayStation guys. As someone just stumbling into cameras I have NO IDEA how this product stack is is supposed to be laid out.
Love your videos guys, it is still the EVF that keeps me from buying these cameras . One more thing each times that I see Sony selling a new kind of battery grip for the infamous pinky conundrum for there cameras . I wonder why they don’t work on there own battery grip like the ( Xtra battery) on kickstarter to bad it was a scam . I am certain that it sell like hot cakes .
If you are into street/vacation/all around photography, IMO, for 90% of the people out there these two cameras are certainly not worth the price difference between a used like new a7c from KEH or MPB for $1500 vs the $600USD upgrade for the a7cII and $1500USD upgrade for the a7cR. Also not worth the price $600 price difference of the a6700 because if I was going to carry a camera around that was the same size and weight as the a6700 I would carry a full frame. Additionally if you are planning to use big heavy lenses on the a7c line, just buy an a7iv because you have defeated the purpose of the a7c body. Sony made special small/tiny, lightweight fast focusing, tack sharp and pocketable lenses for the a7c - the 24mm f/2.8 and the 40mm and 50mm f/2.5 plus the 28-60mm f/4-5.6 zoom. Sure it is the kit lens but when introduced that lens was a $500 lens so it has the same qualities as the others (double linear auto-focusing motors) and covers all the focal lengths of street photography.
Sony remaking cameras with less specs, just to flood the market with noise. I mean seriously, there's just so many products you don't even know which one to buy. I mean, what's the point?
@@EdgarOliveiraTB I don’t think so because he said they are on holiday with their families. So both with their familiy. Two families spent holiday together ... happens 😉
"terrible EVF" Can we please start to talk about cameras in a rational way, not from the "I have the latest 3 flagship cameras at home" point of view? I am just irritated that people call features "terrible" or devices "entry level" when they are talking about very expensive, extremely capable cameras, some of the bests on the market. Just check out Sony a6000 9 years after its relase, after all the new APS-C and fullframe models. It is still a good camera, an amazing tool for anyone changing from smartphones or point-and shoot cameras. Of course we can call that one entry level, also the first A7, the first a6x00 cameras. They have some limitations, some flaws, it is okay. We can also say that a6300 or A7mark2 cannot compete any more with latest cameras from the last 5 years. But I just cannot handle when I hear vloggers, saying A7mark3, A7C or anything like this called entry level. Having a camera two steps behind flagship is NOT entry level. A 3-year old fullframe camera model with IBIS, digital viewfinder, silent shutter, having 1400 USD + price tag is NOT entry level. It is just not.
The only reason I don’t buy any new Sony camera, is the crappy viewfinder. Ok, and the bad rolling shutter. I don’t get why they are cheaping out so much. It takes the fun out of photography.
How the 4k 60p in crop factor mode on the a7cII compare to 4k 60p on a FX30/a6700 when regarding low light? are they virtually the same or a FF sensor is still better even in crop mode?
Saying CR is definitely awkward since some places, and I mean whole countries, use CR to mean "comfort room", rest room, toilet, and all that stinky business 🤣 Imagine being the "butt" of jokes for a whole country.
I'm quite shocked that the mechanical shutter speed on the A7Cii still only goes to 1/4000. It's still only first curtain mechanical (which I can forgive at this size). That feels really cheap for the new increased price point of this camera.
One of the big things that really kept me from the original a7c was the EVF… shame it’s mostly the same, would’ve liked a bigger one but they still sound like amazing cameras as a whole, though expensive for “entry-level”.
Technically the A7Cii's EVF has a larger magnification than the original A7C. It's 0.7x compared to 0.59x. The eyepoint has also been improved to 22mm from 20mm. It's essentially now the same EVF as on the A6700 just without the nice eyecup of the A6700. It's mostly the low resolution which is a substantial downgrade compared to the A7iv.
From where I sit the only thing entry level about the a7c was its looks. I mean, it wasn't the pro camera that you're going to shoot paid wedding gigs with. But it's very much an enthusiast device.
Exactly. That EVF is week, and the LCD might actually be worse. The video features have clearly been strangled (like Canon used to), no joystick, and only a single card slot? And they still come in at $2,200 and $3,000? Is this a joke? Add a decent G-Master lens and this is almost $5K. Sorry, hard pass.
I think these are still compelling cameras, despite the valid criticisms. That said, it'll still be compelling when I pick it up for $1000 in a few years like I did with my A7RIII and A7III bodies. I know Sony doesn't want to directly cannibalize sales of it's own products, so they're holding back on budget full-frame options. But given the choice between a current APSC and a slightly older used FF at the same price, I'd take the FF every time, and Sony gets 0% of that secondary market purchase. At least with a new product, they'd get sales and a way to funnel customers towards the higher end of their ecosystem. Then again, I'm not a businessman, so what do I know?
@@topg2820 A7RIII was from a pawn shop on eBay (they had three of them!) $1000+tax. A7III was from Adorama used (G) for $900+tax. I lucked out back in February/March and got them a month apart 😄
Do you think the A7CII paired with the Sony FE 85mm f1.8 Lens would be good for taking headshots/portraits and getting clear/in focus eyes? I currently have this lens paired with a A6500 and get fuzzy looking eyes and image quality not crystal clear. I'm looking to upgrade and want to know if this would be a good choice camera. Unless you have any other recommendations. Thank You!
I like how Sonys thoughts of entry level full frame camera is $2200-2500. I respect canon s d Nikon for creating entry level full frame cameras in the $1000-1300 price point. I started in full frame with a canon rp and have now graduated to a r6II. It really makes a difference to create an affordable in to hook consumers.
@@mralexlexName a single newest release Sony FF mirrorless camera under $2000 - there aren’t any. The only options under $2000 now are older models released years ago such as the A7ii, A7Iii, or the original A7c. If you want a newest release FF mirrorless model under $2K, Sony has no options. Meanwhile, the most recently released FF mirrorless entry level option from Canon is well under $2K. Canon has the recently released R8 at $1499, a brand new entry level FF camera model $700 cheaper than the cheapest recent release entry level Sony A7cii offering.
Cheaper bodies but no 3rd party glass on RF and very little on Z. A cheap body doesn't do much without a good affordable ecosystem. And don't go on about adapted glass because that's just encouraging people to spend good money on gear that is already old, and having to use adapters sucks.
Thanks for elaborating on the EVF magnification, I was really bummed it wasn't a bigger upgrade but I'm looking forward to seeing if the magnification mitigates that like you mentioned. Great review as always and absolutely agree about the silver version, it's the prettiest sony for sure.
Got a chance to handle the A7cr and must say I was less impressed than anticipated. In the A7cR, you're giving up some substantial daily use features like the amazing viewfinder and flexible higher res rear screen on the A7RV, not to mention the better IBIS, Shooting Speed, Full Size ports, Two card slots and more capable card slots and much better ergonomics for working with larger GM lenses. The sensor on the A7RV/A7Cr really requires better glass and those in almost all cases are the larger GM and Sigma, Tamron faster lenses. Those lenses felt huge and front heavy on the A7Cr in my hands. So I would encourage folks to put both camera and lens combos in your hands WITH the lenses you will use or OWN before pulling out your credit card. I'm glad I did, I think the A7RV is the better camera and I'd grab a clean used one before I purchased an A7Cr (for whatever it's worth). Will add that I'm finding more and more RU-vidrs singing the praises of each new release, and the same reviewers tore Nikon a 'new one' for one card slot in their mirrorless cameras...this A7cR has one standard SD card slot in a $3K camera body, not even Cf Express capable and no rants about that?!?! Feels disingenuous.
Looks like a nice upgrade, although the price makes it a bit hard to swallow. To me this is definitely not in the "entry level" anymore. I really like my A7C, despite the obvious flaws. It's super small for a full frame, and for what I shoot the EVF is not needed. Nor is advanced auto focus or really any of the crazy features that these new bodies have, so I will probably not upgrade.
The naming structure makes sense. Just like the A7 has different variants with different versions, so does the A7C. A7Cii r doesn’t make sense. It’s not called the a7 V r or the A7 iii s.
Sony is money milking all those photogrpahers who have absolutely no taste for good camera gear. Who else would buy such overpriced cameras with low quality viewfinder, low quality display and only one card slot? Mostly made for tech nerds or inexperienced users.
For me the big advantage of the A7CR is that I could comfortably use it as a FF camera with FF lenses or as an APSC body with the more travel friendly APSC lenses. Depending of course on the circumstances
@@j16m02 I think the same, because you are still getting 26mp with the APSC lenses in super 35 mode versus my Current a6400 24.2mp. I have a hard time giving up my 18-105 internal zoom APSC lens, and Im looking to jump from APSC sensor to full frame and I have zero Full Frame lenses, so this might be a great transition camera for me.
I have the 7RV and I love the idea of a smaller/lighter version of it, but… I feel like it doesn’t make much sense. Although all lenses work great on that sensor, to take full advantage of 61 mp for cropping, you need a lens capable of resolving all that. That leaves you with a big and heavy lens on a tiny body. The great little G primes only resolve around 35-40 mp. They work great, but if you really want to use that sensor for large crops, those little primes are going to limit you.
This is exactly what I need to hear from a R5 or CR user. Thank you. I need a compact FF. If I need a 61MP camera with lens it could handle, I’d get R5 with GM lenses. I’m getting a couple of those tiny G lenses for ultimate portability. Doesn’t make sense to get CR with huge GM leases unless you want second body alongside R5.
Thanks for your testing. I just don't get about A7CR. Sony is miserable... Why sony didn't put just one body inside of A7CIi? A7CR is more expensive but not same as A7RV. What's the point?
My question is that if I buy A7Cmark 2, will I be able to rely on the view finder to the point where I would not need to use LCD screen to make changes? I have hard time reading fine print from that close. If I need to use LCD, than I rather get ZVE1.
We had 2360 dots and 0.7x magnification on Fujifilm X-E2 from 2013! 2013! On budget crop camera for 900$! 10 years of progress Sony edition. Alright I can take it with A7C it's more "hybrid" and EVF is not a selling point. But what is the selling point of photo centric A7CR where EVF is one of the main tools you use to take stills? After all no surprises, didn't expect any real improvements from Sony: the higher segmentation of product lines the less value per dollar.
One card slot on $2,200 and $3,000 bodies is ridiculous. Sony is artificially hamstringing the A7c lineup to protect sales of their more expensive cameras. For $3K I expect to be able to use a camera on a paid gig but without a 2nd card slot I wouldn't risk the possibility of losing a client's photos to a corrupted SD card. Coincidently, I am listing my Sony gear on eBay today. I have a full Sony kit with two A7 III bodies but I realized that for my budget Fujifilm offers a lot more value than Sony. I'll lose a few shots to the slower auto focus but I can live with that. If I'm ever in the market for a $6,000 camera I'll definitely go back to Sony.
The A7CR really should have been $2799 because the A7RV is so close in price to it's actual $3k price tag. A7CII makes sense, but a high end A7C model should have taken the Alpha 1 sensor and it would have knocked the Fuji XH2S' position with video quality and rolling shutter. An A1C would have made more sense than the A7CR. And what's with 1 SD card slot? It really should have 1 CF Express A/SD slot because those cards are super reliable and don't make you back up constantly in fear. The A7CR might find it's self on sale to move units and then yes, I'll nab one.
am rocking the s5iix and together with the sigma 28-70 2.8 compact lens it has actually become my EDC . the deliciousness of photos and videos i get in every time i go out is just 2nd to none
Dear, I would like to ask You a question…. I have a Sony camera A7R3- system-version 3.10 and I would like to ask you if the following is possible with this camera with a Sony 85mm F1.8 lens and aperture maybe set on F 5.6. I would like to make a timelapse/interval shooting, let’s say every 3 seconds a shot over a period of 30 seconds (10 shots in total) with myself in the picture walking towards the camera itself on tripod….. with eye-autofocus ON and real time tracking ON… and nobody pressing any button on the camera except myself pressing start and running towards my startpoint … I start walking at 25 meter distance… walk slowly towards the camera and looking into the lens…. After 30 seconds I’ll be at 1 meter distance away in front of the camera….. I’ll be happy with maybe 5 or 6 sharp pictures…. Of the total 10 pics…. I am trying but donot succeed… I cannot find the right settings …. I presume that my 6-year old Sony A7R3 cannot do this…. But…which Sony camera could do this? Maybe the Sony A7R4 or A7R5 or A7CR or… none these… ??? Do I have to switch brands? I try to find answers on the web… but I find nothing in clear detail about this item… Please advise me! Thank You so much for your time! Greetings, Jan van Roekel - Aruba - DWI Whatsapp +2977408131
I was looking at that A7C II as a full frame upgrade to my Fuji XS20, the size is comparable to the XS20 which I like, only downside I can see is the Fuji does HD 240FPS and the Sony only does 120 FPS, and I like a bit of slow mo video. The Fuji stabilisation seems to work great for photography, for example if I take the XS20 with the 70-300 lens for some wildlife photography it seems to work very well and ois a niced lightweight travel option. Fuji's downfall seems to be stabilisation in video, espcially on wide lenses with the weird warpy corners.... Is it worth me switching to the Sony for the better Autofocus and full frame advantages?
Sony has missed the opportunity to be the only one to make a truly compact but capable full frame camera imo. The dealbreaker for me is the low resolution EVF - buying a camera for 2000$+ but getting no EVF improvement compared to my 2012 Olympus E-M5 is really not an option for me. I hope Panasonic might see this opportunity and bring out a full frame (L-Mount obvsly) GX8 with a better EVF, I'd instantly buy that...
@shariqahmed336 I get the appeal of that camera but it isn't really going to be that compact is it? And I think the Z-mount is still missing the choice of compact lenses which Sony has with their beautiful small G primes (24, 40, 50 2.5)...
Meh, I do have the a7c, it is the same evf as the a6000 and I do not see a problem with it, you use the EVF to compose not to pixel peep in live mode. I do not see an issue with it other than we need an accesory like in a6000 for the eye cup.
@@alen2937 Happy if it works for you but I need to be able to judge sharpness in the EVF and to focus manually on occasion - both borderline impossible with this kind of resolution and magnification. And it raises the question why we can't get it at this price point (at least for the a7CR). Fuji X100V shows it's possible while retaining a small form factor.
@@jonathanorleyi6600 that is why the magnifier exist, and if you reallly really need more resolution you can go to the a7IV or V. EVF is good as it is and at last in my case, i do focus myself manually too. Sure it can be improved but I do not see myself gaining too much from it.
Thanks for another great video! 🙂 I'm looking for a video first hybrid for outdoors content creation and I've been mostly eyeing on the Fujifilm X-S20, but I'm always interested on the Sony alternatives. Do you think it would be worth the extra cost to go for the Sony a7c II or even Sony a6700 over the X-S20? I'm doing multiday hikes and bikepacking trips so a compact system for me is a must and it has to capable of handling demanding environments and lighting situations. Thanks in advance! Your expertise and help would mean a great deal.
6:47 because calling it the "a7c II R" implies that there's a first version of the a7c R. i don't think the naming scheme is confusing to begin with i don't know what the fuss is all about with their naming scheme.
Me: Hey A7C R, what kind of photography are you good at? A7C R: I've got 61MP, Pixel Shift, I only have 1 SD card instead of CFex type B, so I'm limited to 8fps for up to 13 Uncompressed Raw. Other than Product Photography, practically no one.
I keeps getting new cameras and lenses and my photos get worse .I’ve been into photography since the fifties and developed my own film .I’ve had dozens of Sony and other branded cameras and with al this remarkable technology my phone pictures look better than my new A7C 2 with a GM 24mm 1.4 the pictures look worse than my Sony NEX 7 looked .No more cameras or lenses for me .
Both these camera releases are just pointless. If you want a compact and light-weight camera with the new AI processor, get the A6700. If you want a 61MP sensor with AI autofocus, buy the A7RV. If you want an entry level full frame, buy the A7III or the original A7C. The only consumer group for the A7Cii are people who want the A7IV but with the new AI processor, but have to settle with crappy ergonomics. Neither of these are cheap enough to be entry level cameras. A more logic line-up would have been the A7R-V as the high resolution flagship, the A6700 as the APS-C flagship, the A9-III or A1-II as the sports/wildlife flagship... and perhaps even a relatively fast release of the A7-V as the hybrid full frame camera.
If they did a dual slot like the Nikon ZF - Full SDXC + microsd i would have bought the a7cii or a7cr, but working professionally on a single card slot is the biggest no-no for me
I am not sure why people complain about the low fidelity EVF. It’s as if I am going to use it for extensive viewing of photos. One just needs basic composition abilities and to check on focus via zoom.
that a6000 body looks so cheap. I can´t bring myself to through money at this. especially since both are weak in video minus the Ai AF. will wait for the a7V.
