Correction: the a7 IV doesn't have Insect/Car/Train/Airplane tracking. Just Human/Animal/Bird. Also, the "checkmark" for IBIS should've went to the A7C II.
Indeed! And those check marks (that mean absolutely nothing, really ;-) for the better IBIS, should have been given to the A7C2, not the other one - hey I noticed, all right?! ;-) PS: I’m using the original A7C as my webcam for at least 2 years now, and I got the mark 2 like within a month since its release, and I absolutely LOVE it. What a great camera! And that AF is absolutely phenomenal! Complements my A1 beautifully. Really good stuff! Love it! :-)
Seems like Sony could have added the other tracking for the A7iv in a firmware update for its loyal customers. Not a huge upgrade keeping us from updating to the next camera, but enough to show us we aren't extinct.
I owned the a7iv and swapped to the a7cii, LOVE it. I do sports/wildlife. The autofocus is noticeably superior in the a7cii over the a7iv. plus, the .5 lb difference helps me a good bit since I have a spinal fracture. I use it all the time and i love the a7cii! resolution is perfect, sensor produces gorgeous image quality that is easily croppable if you must, excellent low light performance and that autofocus makes it a huge win over the a7iv any day for me. The added dial on the front is a gamechanger too for those of us who shoot in manual, so I definitely recommend it over the original a7c and the a7iv.
All those reasons is why my A7iv is on EBay. For travel, this camera is great. Now if Sony would make some lightweight zoom lenses, like the 16-35 f4 lens. The new version is great to carry.
@amandatorres4862, I have severe back pain but I am interested of buying either the A7cii or the a6700 since both are light cameras. Re the a7cii, do you mind if I ask you which lenses do you use please? Thanks
@@popaine1 keeping things light is definitely my priority for that reason! The lenses I use are the tamron 28-75 2.8 g2, tamron 70-180 2.8 g2, and sony 100-400gm w the 1.4x tele. The GM is a little too heavy for me w/ the 1.4x tele but i dont use it often and when i do its awesome . I also had the sigma 100-400 and i loved it, that extra .5 lb makes a difference. Depends what you shoot, but i love using the 100-400 on the apsc sensor. I had the a7iv and the 100-400 gm was too heavy w that setup. The a7cii made the GM more manageable for me :) Hope you find a perfect setup for your back! Most lenses are so high quality now a days, i would totally save weight and get a third party lighter option when its available.
Back when I had my old D3100 I lost two days of shooting due to a card malfunction that rendered that card useless, fortunately i was just shooting an event i paid to see , so the photos were for my own enjoyment but since then having two card slots is my number one priority, you can give me the best of the best settings if it doesn't have an extra card slot I'm not buying it from
I use an A7C as a back up to my dual card slot main camera. A couple of things that are important to mention are that the A7C II only has an electronic front curtain shutter. I find portraits on bright days at wide apertures to have cut off, and distracting bokeh. The A7C II also has a lower sync speed of 1/160th which I find to be a little low.
Honestly the biggest gimp of a7CII. Its a no go for anyone that uses flash.1/160th is just slow enough to cause blurring and you cant even compensate with HSS because EFCS with HSS flash causes banding.
@@depannist As with the a7C and Canon's EOS R8, the A7C II lacks a mechanical first curtain shutter, relying instead of an electronic first curtain (EFCS). This means the exposure is started electronically but finished with a mechanical shutter. In almost all situations, the results are indistinguishable from using mechanical blades to start and end the exposure. The only downside is that if you use a very bright aperture lens and shoot at very high shutter speeds, the blurred 'bokeh' in the background will be less smooth than it should be. Point light sources that should be rendered as attractive circles will have their lower edge cut off. But this only happens in very specific circumstances.
For street photography, it's the a7Cii. I sold my Leica Q3 (the stereotypical street photography camera) and went to the a7Cii in order to get interchangeable lenses with the same small size and light weight. Sony's EF 40mm f/2.5 is an incredible, tiny, high quality street photography lens that's the perfect focal length for how I like to do street photography. At the end of the day, the a7Cii, plus lens, cost half what the Leica costs and it's a much more advanced -- dare I say "better" -- camera with a more useful focal length. The a7Cii is my first Sony and it's incredibly fun to shoot with. It ALMOST tempts me to switch from Canon to Sony . . . but, no. I bought this Sony because Canon doesn't make anything like it.
@@ChristianErnestHizon No, I'm not really interested in the Zf. I see the Zf as more of a fashion statement camera. The a7Cii meets my needs perfectly. In all black, it's a very nice, low profile camera.
Been using the A7Cii for a month with the FE 35mm f1.8 and the 20-70 F4 G. Its been absolutely fantastic for me. Fit, form and function. I am really happy going to this over the A7IV.
This Nikon user switched to the A7C which is half the price used, and now I own the A7CII. Just pair it with some light/small/affordable Tamron f2.8 zoom lenses and some Samyang primes. BOOM! I shoot HEIF+HLG for neutral colors. "Close enough to raw!"
Do you use it only for video or photo and video? Today I only use the D750 for photos, but I want to migrate to Sony to take photos and videos more efficiently. A7Cii or A7iv in this case?
I own the a7CII, A7III, & A7Cr for professional photography & by far my fav & easiest to use/work with is my a7CII! It’s literally my main camera for everything. Sometimes I’ll use the a7Cr for landscape & architecture photos, but I love my a7CII. I love when I whip this camera out ppl think it’s so “cute”, but when they see the results they always get blown away! I love all my cameras, but by far my fav is the a7CII!
I went with the A7IV because: 1. Used you can get them cheaper than a A7CII (have seen them as low as $1700 in local markets in good shape) 2. I like that you can turn on a setting where the mechanical shutter stays closed to help prevent dust getting to the sensor, especially when changing lenses. This gives me a tiny piece of mind if I ever have to change a lens on a hike or something 3. The EVF is much better, especially when it’s bright outside (once again, do a lot of hikes) 4. I like the joystick for AF points on some occasions. The biggest pro for me of the A7C is the size, but honestly it’s not THAT much smaller, like if you were comparing it to say, an XT30.
Hi , wanting to address your nr.2 . I've read that there are people who say it is a very bad option because the sensor is protected by a glass film , so fairly easy to clean , but lord be hold if something where to get stuck on those shutter blades , they are slim and very fragile . Might want to consider that one ? But this resulted on my own research , I do not own a mark IV yet but probably will in a short while.
Read out speed is one area Sony is a long way behind Canon and it would be nice if they could improve. The A7V whenever it comes out needs to do a least 20 fps to get close to some of Canons entry level cameras. Do that and give it the rear screen on the A7RV and the new body shape from the A9III and they have a winner.
The Sony A74 is on my radar. I have seen a Sony A74 body only mint condition for £1,900 UK pounds. The Sony A7C Mark 2 looks great. But I do like the two SD Card Slot and the EVF in the middle of the camera body. So the Sony A74 is for me
One gripe coming from canon user and using the a7cr as my second cam. Why can you not choose what info to have displayed on the screen at the same time. Having the level and the histogram at the same time surely isn’t to much to ask. 🤔🤔. Also they do seem to be dust magnets, never had to correct so many dust spots😂. I do love the form factor of the a7cr.
Its time : we need to know, purchasing today, Sony A7 IV or Nikon Z6iii ??? For a hybrid camera that covers both stills and video well with max color accuracy (and range) with minimal rolling shutter. How important is it that Sony A7 IV can't shoot raw video, while the Z6iii can? Also, which one smells better?
My biggest issue with my ZV-E1 is the LCD screen is garbage, it's hard to judge focus and it's not bright enough outside (even set to sunny day mode). Even on the Fuji X-S20 the LCD is so much nicer. Is the LCD on the A7 IV any better?
if I want a second camera to shoot alongside a7rv - would you go with zv-e1 or this 7cii? I’m torn between both. The 7cii doesn’t sacrifice that much video?
I sold my a7iv and bought the a7cii, sold my a7siii bought the zve1. If you are looking for the 2nd camera to be more for video definitely get the zve1. More photo focused then get the a7cii.
I've tried both and ... I'm still stumped. The AI AF isn't groundbreaking. I guess it helps, but what matters is actually doing the focus and both cameras do that. The only difference is that A7CII seems to "jump" to the eyes of insects faster. As for train/airplane recognition ... it seems to try to hunt for cockpit but whatever. The 7 EV of IBIS makes no difference whatsoever.They both suffer from RS, visibly, I was told one could get it under control via mechanical shutter on A7 IV, no idea how. I like the EVF placement on A7IV (also better EVF).
Can you do a comparison between the Z30 and the ZVE-10? I’ve been shooting new york with the Z30 and the ZVE-10 seems to get consistently more praise and I’m confused as to why
If you're happy with the Z30 stick with it. Sony has better AF (twice the AF points,) lens selection (Sony 15f1.4G alone,) headphone port, non-app remote control, 1/3 longer battery life, lighter, smaller. S-log with catalyst browse software-based stabilization.
The price difference makes it possible to get the attachable grip for the A7C II and still pay about the same overall as for the A7 IV, which makes the A7C II an ideal adjustable "chameleon" suitable for anything from landscape to events to street photography. The dust protective shield is only on the A7 IV though, and the A7C II doesn't have full mechanical shutter. It really is a difficult decision because there are some serious tradeoffs in both directions.
I want to replace my a6000 this year, and I was looking between these two, and a used a7riv. I think between these two the a7c II wins. That one has to compete with a used a7riv. Suggestion’s anyone?
The A7cii only has first curtain electronic shutter like the R8 whereas the A7iv has a full mechanical shutter. That is why sync speed is different. The A7iv has redundancy until slot 1 stops working for both CF-A and SD. That happened to me today ! The camera is not 2 years old yet ! [edit : refused to work that day despite switching on and off, tried it just before bringing it to repair and been working since] Oh, and if you want to shoot sports with the A7iv, stay at 6 FPS and don't expect sharp pictures only.
I went with the a7iv because i already have the a6700 and i wanted the bigger evf and two sd card slots. it was a hard decision because software is of course better with the newer camera, however, here in europe the a7iv is much cheaper. so, this tipped the balance.
How come reviewers don't realise that the A7c cameras are designed to fit in your pocket? The EVF on the side keeps the camera small and the top is flat. I have both cameras and always have the A7c in my pocket with a small lens where ever I go. I never miss that shot!
I also wonder, if the term "pocketable" is mostly a marketing lie? The only pocketable imaging devices are smartphones. But never system cameras plus their lenses. Not even Olympus. Not even the failed "Nikon 1" or "Pentax Q" attempts. Even for such one-inch sensor systems, "pocketable" was enough of a marketing lie, which is why they never had a chance to survive. Once you wear some kind of bag over your shoulder, then weight nuances are not important any longer. Which is actually the reason, why MFT and APS-C are getting a hard time from small full frame kits, such as an A7C* plus the growing compact/lightweight FF lenses choice.
@@frankygamaliano7058, I put it in my jacket pocket where ever I go. If it's warm and I don't have a jacket on then I have a little camera case that slides on to my belt.
I upgraded ( downgraded) from A7rii to A7C. The colors and the image quality straight out of the camera impressed me . I am sure the newer version would be even better .
image quality isn't visibly better. AF is better, startup time is marginally better. EVF is visibly better and feels better in hand (for me - the grip on the original was uncomfortably small).
I think another important feature between both is the joy stick. The A7 IV has the joy stick so you can adjust the point without having to pull that camera away from your face. Meanwhile the A7cii is solely touch screen and you would have to pull the camera away from your face to select a new point. If you already rely on mostly using the touch screen to change your point or shoot using the screen opposed to the view finder, it might not make a difference but still a feature to consider
Not sure about the A7cii, but with the A6700 you can move the focus point with the D-pad. The center button toggles between function mode and joystick mode. Since A7cii and A6700 have very similar bodies, I'd guess it's the same.
I have an A7iv and an A6700 with the same control layout as the A7C ii. The a7iv has an 8 way joystick to move the focus point. None on the A7C ii. You have to toggle the D-pad constantly between iso etc and control of focus point. A real pain.
Also have both and I still struggle to find the joystick on the A7iv., my thumb recognizes the D-pad more easily. But I use manual with auto ISO, so I don't have to toggle much.
Great video though, but not sure if you did it to see if anyone noticed but the A7CII in the video is actually the old A7C 🙂 EDIT: In shots where you are standing with the camera's. I Did notice some B Roll with the correct one..
Yes, we had to send a7C II back to Sony, we had the a7C as a stand-in which is just a prop piece at the end of the day. However any time we mentioned anything specific about the camera, we made sure to use b-roll of the a7C II.
It's cheaper, lighter and has better AF, that's already a win. I can more than live with the lack of 2nd SD card slot, or the smaller EVF. Imma get the a7c ii.
At this point, no new cameras from any manufacturer should only have one card slot. It's a deal breaker. Memory cards are not 100% reliable. Redundancy is.
@@spenson89 it’s inconsistent. There are times it can record more than an hour without over heating and there are times it shuts off after 40-55 mins. I film moving subjects continuously and not a static talking head.
why should somebody looking at a fuji for traveling consider a full frame camera that needs bulky full frame glass to get the most out of it? doesnt make sense Mr. Fro...
“Bulky”…..for me it’s about quality. If you want garbage quality of the Fuji, with one focal length, go for it. I could get good results with it, but for a camera that’s the same size, that I can choose what lens I want, bulky or not, I’ll take the Sony.
@@froknowsphoto wow... That was the most unprofessional answer imaginable from you. You wanna take a blind test between my former A7 III with Sigma Art Primes vs my current Fuji X-H2 With a Viltrox prime? I'd bet you won't tell them apart. But whatever... Guess it's time to move on and watch other creators that are more objective than you...
The Sony with a pancake type lens fitted is virtually the same size as something like an X100V. We're talking millimetres... hardly enough to describe it as impractical due to being 'too bulky' given the better ergonomics and better tech inside.
@@DavidGainergonomics is a subjective topic, tech is better, no question, but you pay for that. If you stack up the A7CII with a f2.8 pancake vs an X-T30 II with a small f2 prime, you get very equal looks at half the cost. If OOC HEIF'S is your cup of tea, you'd be mad not to go with Fuji, cause their processing is 2nd to none. I'm tipped off by Jared's response. Referring to Fuji as garbage quality is like stating a Strawberry Cheesecake tastes like dog shit compared to a hot brownie. They are both desserts, both are sweet, but their own flavors and consistencies. Like I mentioned above: I owned an A7III and Sigma Art Primes (my favorite was the 135mm 1.8), now rocking an X-H2 with my new favorite lens, the 75mm 1.2 (so 113mm f1.8 full frame equiv.), and even looking at 1:1 I can't tell them apart. If that's telling nothing I don't know what would...
Not really. I get great results with the Sony 40G on my A7IV. And some of the Sigma 'i' lenses are perfect as well. I was interested in an x100 but don't want to be limited to one focal length. And from trying an x-T30 i wasn't that keen on the UI.
I would get A7iv because of the better viewfinder. Even tho i would buy it for street photography. I used to use m leica for street photography and long time ago went to fuji x100. And the viewfinder was terrible compared to the large viewfinder of the leica. So not doing the dame mistake 😅
Here’s my options: Sony a7iii (used) approx £1100 Sony a7iv (used) approx £1800 Sony a7cii (used) approx £1800 First option leaves more room for lenses, probably only want to spend £2k, could get the a7iv/a7cii with cheaper lens (50mm 1.8) to start or a7iii with a sigma 24-70 or something, Or maybe look at apsc (a6700) So confusing lol
I am travelling through japan now. I can only buy what I can carry in a suitcase. There are tax free camera shops in japan selling the japanese versions of the A7IV & A7C2 on sale for
There are several differences that you did not mention. First, the programmable dial on top is lockable on the A7 iv and not on the A7 c ii. The number of custom buttons is half on the A7 c ii than the A7 iv. I like to use the custom buttons and it was difficult transferring to the A7 c ii. The buttons on the A 6600 are more to my liking. I wish that Sony keep the same body layout on the a 6700 and A7c ii as they did on the a 6600. That layout is better for photography than video.
Are you sure the A7iv has car, train etc tracking? I think that’s just for the cameras with the AI chip or was that added with a firmware update? Haven’t seen that on mine
A7CII is not a fully mechanical shutter, is EFCS (could cause banding in high speed flash). The IBIS on AC7II sucks, you can be able to get roughly 3 stops or less in real life, if he owns the bodies he will agree with me. The Sony sensors attracts dust, something that does not happen with other brands. Looks like more a paid review and not a real one
Great, next time if you make a comparison video, use the actual A7CII and not the A7C for your presentation. You can clearly see that the frond dial is missing. and the mode switch on top. You clearly have the camera because it is in some of the other shots next to the A7IV.
We had the camera months ago for a few weeks. Had to send it back to sony. Had the a7c on hand to stand in for silly checkmarks. Not a big deal like you’re making it out to be. Any time we mentioned specifics about the camera we showed the actual a7cII from our hands on preview
