Sorry. Your Car Will Never Drive You Around. 

Elon haters like this clown are 1,000 times worse than Elon dick riders. The dude is a leftwing zealot shilling for his cult masters.

Actually, I call them "Muskrats".

That track slaps.

why did you switch from FSD to regular autopilot meant for highways at 5:50? im not even mad, but your desperation for engagement is worse than the $TSLA guys

I really hope Elon reads this, bro.@@naahh

Collectivism and/or anything that is not profit driven is deemed "communism" to a capitalist, and against their goals of profiting from everything. These are the same people who can't wait until they can sell us air. They don't WANT trains, because they can't profit as much from that.

Silicon Valley only works when people invest absurd capital into a pipe dream, because pipe dreams get investors frisky. And they’re not frisky about the product, they’re frisky about the fact that the rest of the financial institution will also get frisky. Money begets money. Trains are never going to do that. No one is getting 1000x return on a damn train line. That’s the domain of government, or old, established businesses. Slap an AI controlled solar / wind powered vitamin B IV drip cart on the back and maybe you have a product. But the train is not the product, there is no product without hype. Because hype is the product.

The railroad industry is in dire need of disruption and recapitalisation

We’ve had autonomous trains since the 70s. Trains are the the crabification of transportation, doesn’t matter what you for short and medium distances trains are the ultimate form. For last mile transportation bikes, e-bikes, scooters, walking are the best. Car should be relegated to emergency services and delivery.

@Victor-kh5rh there is a role for cars for in-frequent and rural personal transportation. But most cities and suburbs should be built so most people don't need a car to get to work, school, and groceries.

That's probably safer than Musk's FSD.

public transportation is the closest we will EVER get to autonomous vehicles.

​@@stretch654 Oh _certainly._ It is the horse taking itself to -water- hay, *_and_* making itself -drink- eat! All with the autonomy of nature!

I always thought if you could teach a crow to drive your car it would do a better job then Tesla FSD.

OMG. You. Are. A. GENIUS! First, when you buy a Tesla, you're given a horse. Maybe it goes in the trunk? Then, when you're getting ready for FHD (full horse driving. um. that was probably obvious), just hookup the horse. Or maybe Musk can put a horse's brain into the TSLA?

The fact that lane assist reduces crashes is a genuinely horrifying statistic and not talked enough about. Licenses need to be a recurring thing if this is legit.

My dad's van has lane stay and it steers me into oncoming traffic, it also blares a loud alarm for collision avoidance when I go round corners, it also randomly slams on the brakes when I'm trying to park. It's way safer than the 80's ford I've been driving for 20 years that doesn't constantly try to give ma heart attack, drive into oncoming traffic or think every corner slightly sharper than an metropolian roundabout is an crash waiting to happen. I'm so grateful for all this progress, I can't wait for the car to automatically regulate my breathing and emotional state for me.

@@BauregardSenior87 Agreed with your opinions. ADAS is too intrusive.

I hate it. The sensation of car turning when the steering wheel is straight bothers me. My personal vehicle is too old to have it, but the Kia I drive for work has it. And some coworker turned it on. There are times when I want to drift left or right, like making a right or left turn. Where I live if you don't do it, there's a risk some impatient driver behind you will try to squeeze in the gap and get ahead of you.

I made $12,000 in 3 min. You will never have more than $200 in your checking. Keep coping poor

The man playing Russian roulette with the life of his child should be prosecuted for child endangerment.

Timestamp please

@@g07denslicerwatch the video

Also pretty unrealistic to expect humans to be able to distinguish a mannequin from a human while driving, but at least the human will recognize an obstacle as such.

@@MicroMyco I mean, we could certainly tell outside of the worst lighting conditions. But we of course wouldn't condition our avoidance on the conscious detection of the difference between a mannequin and a person. We reflexively swerve.

Also, that was a Melon Husk lie to begin with..

@@television1088 Right! It's plain stupid to trust anything Musk says. "Oh, he lied all the other times, but this time, this time it's the truth". Like a cheated spouse who chooses to keep the blindfold on

The whole it can tell it's not a child is nonesense. So if it saw a boulder in the road it would drive into it? If the mannequin was filled with concrete, it would drive into it? Drivers defending this deserve whatever fate awaits them if they can't understand that the danger is not just to the hypothetical child, but to them as well.

Exactly. It is irrelevant what the obstacle is made of. You're not supposed to run over obstacles.

Have you EVER driven over something on the road? Idiot statement.

You can’t see if the car is in ACTUALLY in self driving mode. Nor can you see if the person driving is pressing on the accelerator. Your brain is so easily manipulated, I have to question your IQ level. If you have the guts, I would like to invite you to take a ride with me sometime. So your brain has the opportunity to make an INFORMED decision.

@@B3BandDo humans run over objects on the road? Have you driven over objects on the road? If you haven’t, you must live in some utopian area where there are NEVER objects on the road.

@@bigdougscommentary5719 I'm in my 40s and have been driving since I was 16 and I have *never* run over a child-sized object in the road. WTF are you on about?

that's how I felt. I would love to try it again in 6 months and see if there is a noticeable leap, but for where I live it was no where near "take a nap" or "watch a movie" stage. I even to upgraded on my last couple days and I didn't notice a difference even though ppl were crowing about it on social media. fabulous car but FSD needs to exponentially start improving or its going to be a long long time.

I also enjoy driving over a mountain or just taking a tour. Maybe in a future where we are so surrounded by laws and sensors monitor everything we do, speed, traffic, road conditions, distance to the front car etc.

Lol sucker😂😂😂😂😂😂 when i see a tesla driver on the road the first thing i think is " im staying away from this git because they obviously got poor judgement buying a tesla"

Where is the Problem. If the Sensors are to dirty your Tesla informs you and FSD will Not Work 🤷

@@davids.6671 Exactly this. If there's a problem with late maintenance, just disable the car.

⁠​⁠​⁠@@LLF1234if all cars were like this, congratulations you’ve just disabled a massive swath of cars on US roads.

​@@davids.6671modules and inverter can and will fail, which will render any machine useless

i read this and am still confused

Yeah they had a foot on the accelerator for that one.

We need faster children.

With that hat, we know you make terrible life decisions.

you fool, optimus will replace those weak flesh bag children with weak robot children..........that have limited warranties

​@@PaleBlueDotCitizen Sad that so many Tesla owners and drivers tell matching lies about the work of Perfect Genius Messiah Elon Musk 😢

A child will die if hit by a car at 20 mph ... but if the kid is running away at 3 mph - when hit by the same car - the aggregate difference is that the kid will survive. ... " so if you are going to hit a kid - make sure they are running away - as it will cause LESS damage to the kid " ( Jimmy Carr - UK Comedian )

I agree, perhaps the machine is giving the human a chance to prove it's worth and it failed, but we keep looking at it from the human perspective...

I think its more like it saw the dummy, then stopped, but it is now obscured. So eventually it goes because it no longer sees it. It will be interesting if the new version does better at that or if it is a training issue they can fix with more training videos.

average New York driver 🤣 (yes I'm joking)

Autopilot was not engaged. You can see it because the steering wheel is gray on the screen. It is blue when AP is active. This guy did that on purpose lol

Horse and gig does that. So is that the ultimate?

they're insanely cheap too before 2020 in my hometown [where buses are popular] you could drive like 300 times a day [this is not an exaguration] with an average salary and don't forget, you pay for getting into a bus, meaning that you can just sit in a bus that drives across the entire city and be fine. taxis are more expansive but it's not like they're much more expansive than cars [outside of italy and the us]. In my city i think, it costs about equivilent of 3h of work worth of money to move across half of my city [kind of expansive, but don't forget: if you own a car you already spent thousands of dollars just to aquire it, and then you repair it, and buy petrol, and when it's too old it doesnt feel as good as when you just bought it, taxi is always good though].

This comment needs more upvotes 😊

@@acondor They're called likes here you redditor smooth brain

Instead of metros, lets create roads underground so we can have traffic congestion in miles long narrow tunnels with no escape. - Elon Musk

Exactly! The ONLY advantage of self driving cars over trains and buses is that you do NOT need tons of additional infrastructure to make them useful, especially in countries like America that are just way too big to walk or use a bike. I think it is the right idea for SOME areas where trains and buses are just not feasible; all we need are better AI systems to drive them. I don't see why they will "never" work like it says in the title.

This video is so American

My prostate increased in size just hearing that.

You think that's bad? I still think the 1980s was 20 years ago.

@@wolfshanze5980 What got me was turning on a classic rock station, and hearing Alanis Morissette.

When I was a kid, a classic movie from 20 y/o ago was Terminator. Now a classic movie from 20 y/ago is Shrek 2...

I remember playing 64 and being ecstatic to get a Gamecube for Christmas. Now Wii is a couple years away from being retro. _🙃_

Lol nope

@@wck what do you mean "nope" have you even seen the latest videos /reports? Seriously? It just works.

​@@jmbugnoIf you paid attention in this video, Benn pops up 'V12' on a card. That would suggest he has tried it and has arrived at a conclusion different than yours. I myself am clueless to know if it is new and improved enough to actually be fully self driving with no interventions. I do know Elon mandated that every new purchaser is required to get a FSD test drive when they pick up their vehicle.

@@ricknash3055 v12 is no longer the current version

🤡

finally an AI that understands me

Being able to travel WHEREVER you want to go, WHENEVER you want to go will always be superior to public transport.

@@GlitchXThat makes no sense. In many cities the ONLY way to travel WHENEVER and WHEREVER you want IS by public transport. I personally prefer to drive, but there's no way I could drive into London and find a place to park in rush hour. Where as the train is 15 mins.

​@@GlitchXthing is, with good public transport, you _can_ go wherever and whenever you want to go

@@dantevito1193 However, and it is a big, "however", you have to have a minimum population density for that to be true. In suburbia, where ever neighborhood is bunch of dead end streets and never straight or in locations where houses sit on large tracts of land, it simply isn't feasible to implement public transportation in any sense of that phrase as we understand it today.

@@kcgunesqTrue, but part of the solution is to build better cities... Suburbia is just not great ... no matter your lifestyle

How are you "bullied"...?

@@ylstorage7085 open a dictionary or use your favorite search engine (I don't know what compels people to take more time ask someone else to look up a definition than it takes to look it up themselves).

Wait what? Why would you need cell service to use an autonomous car?

@@financialliteracy8204 I can't tell if you're serious or not, considering how obvious the requirement for internet for a true self driving car is. How would it be able to obey speed limits or take detours without an internet connection?

@@ylstorage7085 it deleted my reply. Tldr: open a dictionary.

Plus discord is known to shut down discords and all the chats are gone forever unless someone did a backup. One user gets in, posts stuff against ToS and self reports, will get it shut down fast.

Yes. Documentation for users should be in a wiki. Documentation for contributors can be in either markdown files or a wiki. I'm sure there are other methods that work well enough, but trying to find them seems like a waste of time when we already have wiki.

It is the Linux issue. Its either "ask the community" or "look at this hyper detailed expose that throws around words a below average user will not understand". As much as we hate big companies and their closed source applications... atleast they are extremely user friendly and most time even easy to learn.

​@@KatojanaYeah, nah. If by 'user friendly' you mean 'least-experienced user-friendly', then I agree. And they are easy to learn, because 90% of complicated useful stuff has been locked behind a closed door. Systems should be easy to learn because they are logical and simply make sense, no because the developer was unable or unwilling for whatever reason to do the former and decided to strip the 90% of the interface which is a moronic bullcrap which cannot be understood, unless you are a developer yourself. ----END_RANT---

Lmao closed-source is extremely customer-friendly?? Actually curious, what software do you have in mind? You think Windows is actually easier to use than, say, Ubuntu? ​@@Katojana

Fucking exactly. The best form of transport, invented before the car and then ignored to make evil companies rich.

I am SO glad it only took me a little amount of scrolling to find a 'just use trains bro' comment. Why the fuck are we trying to automate cars when automating trains is 100, if not 1000 times easier?! A train can't exactly 'switch lanes' at will or hell, do anything. All it needs to know is the speed of the section of track it is driving on, and the status of the next signal. These can all be easily fed to the train.

@@PinataOblongata LOL it wasnt ignored. Nobody used them once cars were a thing. Because surprise - the train isnt flexible like a car.

@@roadtrain_ Because A) passenger trains dont go where you need them, when you need them, unless you reschedule your whole life around them. And B) safety issues. One radio fails and you have a 100 million ton runaway on your hands.

@Nick-ue7iw A) this is because public transit is chronically underfunded. Giving them more money to fix their shit would solve this. B ) That's just not fucking true trains are equipped with SEVERAL systems to ensure a runaway can't happen including dead man's switches and ATC. Trains are safer than self driving cars will ever be.

Not to pick on you or anything, but when was the last time you pulled your train out of your driveway? Trains are a solution to an entirely different problem than the one being discussed.

@@Tubeytime I wouldn't need a driveway if my city suburb had trams, light rail, and rail.

@@SALEENS7GTR5 But where would you park your car for when you want to go out of your city?

@@SALEENS7GTR5 That's fine if you want to live in a city, surrounded by people all the time. Not everyone wants your lifestyle though. I want peace and quiet, therefore I need personal transport.

@@Tubeytimethats cool but don‘t bring your noisy and big personal metal box into the city. I don‘t appreciate it at all, about as much as you would appreciate a highway going through your backyard. Different modes of transportation for different sets of problems and large park+ride system so people can switch from one to the other.

Thats’s like most pre-sliced bagels

its good because it keeps you EXTRA alert. genius design

That's actually what I do, because I freeze my sliced bread and defrost slices as I need.

That's not the end state bubba. It ain't rocket science, you suck at driving, just accept it.

It's obviously a step in the process... The people in the comments here are so short sighted it's amazing. And this video is aging like milk already, Tesla's FSD is learning at an exponential rate at the moment

Which car in model is that

Interesting. My son has a Tesla and his concierge service will not get with 4 feet of a post in front of it. You are overreacting and the car would center itself. Your brain is so slow to respond you are grabbing it at the deal of yourself and not the response of the computer

This is exactly why I dont want a car any newer than '04, and why I love my little shitbox Cherokee. No lane assist, no radars, no cameras. In fact the most advanced tech that thing has, is the CD changer in the trunk. All the responsibility of driving is FULLY on me. So if I fuck up, its 100% on me. Which ends up making me a better driver, because I tend to be aware of my surroundings and drive much more carefully and defensively. (tho my experience as a truck driver probably also helps a bit)

​@kitsunelegend7976 but what about other drivers who can kill you?

terrifying "technology"

There would have to be shared, multi purpose roads at some points

No, it means they you'd transfer from autonomous to human driving.

Yes this video is largely excellent, but Ben's proposed future is a past we already tried and it sucked. In the 50s and 60s poor city districts were sliced and diced by big roads carrying richer people's cars, cutting through their communities to bring about a glorious future. It turned out there are a whole load of problems that come from building your city for cars rather than people. The issue with Ben's proposal is that roads have huge land demands. Even in US cities this comes at huge cost, let alone elsewhere in more densely populated regions. I don't want a flyover built through my neighbourhood, blocking out the sun, to autonomously carry Tesla dicks to their city jobs.

@@murrayg His idea isn't novel, it's what essentially all experts agree the most likely future would be if self driving cars are to become successful. It's less about road real estate as you're claiming and more about car to car communication, which currently isn't feasible as all the manufacturers have proprietary, entirely different systems. A communication standard would need to be developed which manufacturers follow. The program is just an example, it's not what people are projecting the future looks like. It's more like cars traveling in one lane bumper to bumper at 100mph and they can safely stop in the case of an emergency because the stopping is coordinates between the cars. Way more throughput on the lanes we already have and doesn't have all the stop and go delays that people introduce to bind up traffic.

That's like saying the interstate system isn't do-able because it implies your home and everywhere else are attached to the freeway. No, it's like anything else, there are junctions between networks. There are on/off ramps on a highway..

If you haven't noticed, they're dying. Because of online shopping.

@@shannon6876 people die of drunk driving. Are you a Prohibitionist?

And covered in blood from accidents the manufacturer will deny liability for, while insurance denies your claim because you weren't in the vehicle, & yet you're liable as the registered "owner" of the car you're denied open access to the logs & software modules of.

@@prophetzarquon1922 That too!

Since when have taxi drivers been known for driving safely????? How do you know the man in that car has your best interests in mind?

@@davidlones365 Huh? What exactly does your reply have to do with what is being discussed here??

... and that's if you're lucky.

More like it said, in the Black Knight's voice "Just a traffic cone!"

If it was in my neighborhood I'd have to agree. 🙃

This clown has no clue, some half million cars are *already today* driving ppl around.

​@@Mrbfgray oh wow, 500 thousand in a country with a population of 330+ million, and those cars are plagued with customer complaints and investigations from various state AND federal DoTs and DPSs, how amazing

@@fakename287 Are you familiar with any of those "investigations"? Hint: they are trivial. Consumer Reports recently rated cost of owning cars and despite them being supported by The Ford Foundation, Tesla came out on top, about $4k over 10 yrs. Toyota was next, no surprise. There is no higher customer satisfaction, by a mile, than Tesla. So YEAH, Elon BAaaad, out of lockstep with the one true narrative. Propaganda works!

Your stock is worthless. Musk is in China begging for access to their market, which is currently rolling out their serious first gen EVs which connect to their newly installed MAN networks, which is the key ingredient Tesla will never, ever, ever, ever, ever have. Which is the magic sauce. Good luck in 5yrs as the world laughs.

Teslainvestors in the comments would tell you that.

Ah so the typical tech fluff…fully automated…if you don’t consider wage slaves behind an API to be human.

Reminds me of that news story I saw around that Echo and Google Assistant have a lot of "operators" that are there for when the petition is not understood by the system... and it was most of the time. So this AI thing is just "let's hide workers under the tech" scam.

They even have more employees per "Self-Driving" Car than... taxi-cab companies.

@@LeflairZone as long as they remove the awkwardness of interacting with another human being people will have no problem with it (not saying that's a good thing)

It was more a comment about how unprofitable it is as a business when it requires more "tech" workers than cab drivers to operate, nevermind the specialized hardware @@valdir7426

I get pissed when I catch someone trying to prank me. Why should I expect a car to be any less spiteful?

HAL voice: I'm sorry Dave, I can't let you dunk on me like that. *Locks break pedal*

The object falls over, and is therefore no longer seen by the camera, which then proceeds to drive as if it's not there. It should absolutely turn off self-driving when that happens. Way back in the beginning of TACC, there were many cars that needed to have their gas pedal pressed to resume driving if they came to a complete stop for more than a couple seconds, because it couldn't reliably tell if someone had walked in front of you.

This was the point I wanted to make. The only time you wouldn't worry about an obstacle on the road if it was something like an empty plastic bag blowing across the road.

@@Caffin8tor My uncle, when young, used to put paper bags in the road with cinderblocks in them, just for people who figured they'd run over an empty paper bag. (He was a dick in many ways.)

Anyone who believes blindly whatever Musk says, is kinda obtuse, to say the least.

@@jeminuz It must be tough on the actual scientists and engineers in his companies. "He said WHAT?!?!? OH MY GOD WHAT AN ABSOLUTE MORON!!" I suspect is often the conversation behind closed doors. "Cybertruck's windows can survive a thermo nuclear blast" ... for example .... "Hyperloop is as simple as an air hockey table" .... etc to infinity.

I think his point here was that something like Boids works well because the system is simplified to play to the strengths of the algorithms, hence the suggestion of a self driving dedicated lane. If the future of driving is automation, then tailor the environment to assist in the automation, rather than expecting self driving algorithms to understand the roads in the ways a human does. I think the issue with this is that its impossible to prevent the real world from impinging upon the simplified environment of a self driving lane. Try as you might a deer or child might leap into one, injecting a bunch of chaos into the simplified system, requiring something more like a human brain to make decisions rather than a straightforward algorithm.

Every year the spell checker loses more words it's 100% 1984.

Or an ai that can do closed captioning! The people that have to rely on closed captioning must think we're crazy talking the way we do!

@@steveolson69 Exists, look at Whisper. It's just cheaper to not bother running something that takes a few resources.

I'm gonna wait until RU-vid stops recommending videos about topics I've never heard of from channels with 3 subscribers.

@@steveolson69 AI can now do closed captioning almost as well as humans - for free, much faster

My experience traveling in Waymo vehicles indicates that your opinion of them may be incorrect.

weve had lane assist in various cars freak out on FRESHY repaved and painted freeways! we need viable alternatives to cars not more self driving accidents waiting to happen

Like you would think people do. Quite a few people do get confused and that type of situation so I have accidents in those areas. Now I'm not going to try and compare present AI to a person but AI is evolving much faster than your average person is.

@@wadap0 he wasnt in a waymo vehicle though, it should be obvious that those waymo cars are absolutely LOADED with cameras and sensors that normal consumer vehicles do not have, its no wonder their capabilities are not the same.

@@user-gu6ps6ed6l I don't care, I'm not going to willingly give control of a 2ton hunk of metal to an AI.

In certain cities and locations, this is already the case. It’d be nice if it were much more common

@@threepe0 I'm in this situation where I need a car for specific things (tour; transporting heavy stuff) but most of the time it's collecting dust on a parking space. will probably switch to renting when this one is on its last breath.

It’s not really a joke; there are some places with great public transit where most people rarely need to drive.

Welcome to europe.

What would be super awesome is if there were public transit “trains” that consisted of independent cabins/cars that linked together for mutual distance travel but could also uncouple and take people the last leg of their journey to work/home since that would provide the privacy/space/convenience that people who drive their own cars crave or need.

if we do that, we could call the new roads they ride on "rail" roads. the future is here!

Hey. General Motors needs to sell busses. Won't you PLEASE think of the huge failing corporation?

I lived in Boston as a poor college student. It had a reasonable subway system, commuter trains, and buses that got me to where I needed to go. And I absolutely loved it when I finally got a car.

@@chrimony because you live in america. I lived in Metropolitan area in western europe when I was younger and was everywhere in 5 minutes basically. Now I live in "the suburbs" for you yankees and have to go by car and everything takes ages longer

You mean that one day I might be able to travel the entire length of the Australian continent from Adelaide to Darwin without driving myself and risking kangaroo or Wolf Creek fatality? What an age! What next? Private companies will finally work out how to land on the moon?

That's not true at all. Plenty of technologies never get cheap enough or good enough to be household items. SOME technologies do, but far from all. 25 years ago, people were saying that CNC machines would be so cheap and easy to use that everyone would have one in their home. 5 years ago, people were saying the same thing about 3D printers and wondering why people like me were rolling our eyes. Home automation has existed since the 1980s and has always sucked to various degrees, even when re-branded to "smart home". One could easily go on with examples.

I don't care about cars. That father (and Tesla investor, video segment at 7:47 ) who forced his child to take part in an unauthorized experiment on humans ... should get a visit from CPS. Anyways, I wish you fun with your trash can hobby, ST!:) P.S.: Garbage trucks have special rights in daily road traffic by the law, such as driving against the direction of travel on one-way streets or, for example, briefly driving or stopping on the other side of the road, that the men or women can do their business effectively. So these situations are “rare” exceptions. Some of the average driver alone can't handle such situations as we see in practice, but Teslas and other "would-be smart" vehicles pose a mortal danger to garbage collectors. There is NO effective detection for blue or yellow warning lights. Just think about your fellow drivers, those sleepyheads that regularly overlook emergency services and don't make room for them. This failure is powered by a massive parallel computer (our brain) that our technology will never be able to reach. Alone because of that self driving vehicles mostly ignore emergency services (under a 100% working system, there is no choice!), it shouldn't even a question that those BETA TESTS have to be banned from our streets. They actually end(RU-vid censors the k-word with the following "ill") more people by secondary dangers than by direct impact. Have a good one! (cone), hehehe

and like, even if it could actually tell the difference it would only need to get it wrong once to cause a tragedy.

it is funny but its also really important to know the difference when choices have to be made to minimize bad outcomes, for instance in an emergency should a car run over a child or hit a tree if its unable to stop in time but can still steer? knowing that the child is actually something else, something less important in its priority list is a lot more impactfull.

Or more likely ignore and neglect them when they’re old. You put my life on the line to protect your car’s reputation. Why should I care more about your life ?

You drive with vision only. How?

It doesn't force takeovers?

@@danparish1344 by being smarter than most cars. The issue is that they are confusing motorcycles up close to cars at a distance from how it's been explained to me.

@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry well, from what I've seen in this video and a couple of others, it encounters an issue and keeps in control until it can't see that issue anymore. I would much prefer the system to make the human take over. My car does that, but it appears that Tesla doesn't.

Unfortunately I think precedent was set by aviation that the burden is on the owner/operator.

@@12pentaborane Even without that precedent, I would fully believe companies would sooner spend their money on lobbying against making them liable, as opposed to quietly mumbling about it and putting that money toward improving the feature.

@@12pentaborane Aviation hardly even compares to on-road driving. For a human, flying is more difficult, but for an AI, flight is much closer to the closed systems that AIs are so good at. You don't have to fully stop and accelerate your aircraft every few minutes, you don't have to navigate around unpredictable objects, you don't have other aircraft going past you so close their wings could almost touch. Also, air traffic is extremely heavily regulated and therefore much "cleaner" to program around. On the other hand, any moron could walk into the middle of the road at any time, anywhere. Even in a legal context, such large differences could be sufficient to warrant a change in legal responsibility if someone is bold enough to claim that THIS vehicle CAN navigate the 1000x complexity increase of on-road driving. There's a reason why autopilots are only used for the simplest portions of the flight.

@@jabloko992 As a private pilot for 32 years, I can tell you that flying a private plane is BY FAR safer and easier than driving a car in traffic, and 100 times safer and easier than riding a motorcycle in traffic (I do both) I have NEVER used any kind of auto pilot. On the very first day of flight school, it was made clear that the primary responsibility of the pilot was to CONTROL THE AIRCRAFT.

This is why full self driving will become illegal before its implemented. Insurance companies will never voluntarily accept having huge corporations as opponents rather than Joe Shmoe. This is useless technology that solves nothing anyway

It's a good point. And humans have been evolving the sensors and object recognition "software" to correctly deal with that infinite possible variety of objects, for millions of years. Computers have only been working on that problem for, what, almost two decades? It's not unreasonable to think it will take a lot longer till they get good at it.

I mean, at that point I guess you might as well put the whole thing on rails and have larger, longer vehicles instead of a big group of them.

Why is this hard for you? Something causes a car to stop, all the other cars stop until the obstruction is cleared... they can react much faster than a human driver and prevent injury.

Unless we could figure out how to leverage actual birds brains, where they do that kind of thing day in and day out, and other amazing things like flying through chain-link fences and so on. There’s a functionality there we just don’t know how to tap it maybe what we need to do is figure out how to directly tap a bird brain. Crazy talk I know, but I’m a free thinker.

Not as many variables as the human body using blood flow to nourish the body. If the unconscious systems can manage that I’m sure intelligent people can manage to lie for money

For sure 😂 it's started already

All for the low low price of adding a massive infrastructure independently to every one of hundreds of major cities in the US as part of a culture many Americans don't prefer. The best solutions aren't always the most pragmatic.

@estD16 cars also require a massive infrastructure. Supercharger stations cost anywhere from $60,000 to $350,000 a piece. And that's charging alone. In order to transition to EV, there will be an investment in the BILLIONS in the US in EV charging. Adding a single lane on a freeway can also cost BILLIONS. Not to mention the cost of parking, gas infrastructure, car maintenance services, DMV, and the list goes on.

@@MrSlowestD16Some of us would love more public transportation and would love at least the option.

@@sevargas1 Oh of course. It's just hard to do in the US because governments, both large and small, are absolutely terrible at spending money. They can't help themselves to not taking it and making themselves and their friends rich with it with all sorts of middle men and approval committees and everything else. So the same stuff isn't do-able in the US as other countries when it comes to spinning up new infrastructure.

@@alvadagansta Yeah but it's easier to phase into what we already have. Uses the same roads and driveways and what-not. People can also charge at home. I'm not saying it's perfect, or you're wrong, or anything else - and supercharger stations in particular have many issues (that cost estimate you gave btw, in terms of a commercial project is absurdly cheap, they'd be thrilled if they could put up a station for that much). Just saying that it builds on what we have already, where-as trains do not (at least local trains do not).

If the place that I live allows full self driving cars I will literally start a campaign to put things on the road that look like a "fake rock" but are in fact a car immobilising device. I will do this to save lives.

@@jamesrowlands8971 That makes no sense, if the rock looks fake then anyone would hit it.

@@jamesrowlands8971

@@supernus8684you would hit a “fake rock?” I wouldn’t hit a fake anything bc I prefer to not hit anything while I’m driving real or fake.

@@supernus8684 yeah, wtf guy. Stop driving for all of our sake.

Nobody cares.

@@spankyjeffro5320 found elon musk toe-licker

The father (Tad Park) should have been arrested for child endangerment. He literally risked his child's life so he could put out a Tesla hype video and see a profit on his investments. He should have been invested by child protective services upon posting evidence that he values his financial portfolio over his own child's immediate safety. If someone staked their child's life at the casino, we'd put them in prison. What he did was exactly the same.

@@spankyjeffro5320yes we do, “spanky”

Especially since it was an unnecessary test. Use a realistic mannequin instead, the car should not hit something that even slightly resembles a person. Or any obstacle for that matter.

Having a self driving car that could drive all night is such a dream... as someone who toured before the internet was a big thing it will be as huge as Google Maps (if you toured before online Maps you know)

@@christophervan9634 i liked how it used to be a requirement for someone to know how to read a map to be able to tour. feel like the intelligence bar has been lowered for bands (if you deal with bands today, then you know).

That is one hell of an argument for revolutionizing the transportation of people the cheap and reliable way: public traffic. Hillbilly Hick may need a car to the nearest station, but from there ...

@@madshorn5826 bands aint touring via city trolley. keep dreaming

@@madshorn5826 I agree with you for people that travel with only their person/minimal luggage, but I don't feel like the comment by @christophervan9634 is a good argument for it. Bands are going to be taking a lot of stuff with them. No matter how reliable and robust the theoretical public transit system will be, taking that much gear around would be much easier and doable with a personal vehicle. With the system you envision, the band would probably have to load/unload their gear multiple times when changing public transit vehicles. There would likely be much less hassle driving up to the music venue directly and only offloading/loading gear there.

I think the reality of fully autonomous vehicles is that they either need to be on rails, or not at all. I would love to see a future where the same amount of vehicles we're driving today can be driven autonomously, however the sheer amount of infrastructure and cooperation involved to make this happen would be absurd. I would love for someone to counter this argument I have, but so far no one has.

@@flamegod7 TBH, most of the reason why these vehicles are going to take so many more decades is that they are having to integrate with human drivers and pedestrians. They could make the process a lot easier by doing things such as putting up walls along the roads, switching from lane markers to center of lane lines and changing the paint to encode information to help the cars move through the city. Then just have most of the cars load themselves onto trains for city to city travel. It's still a big challenge, but doing things like that would likely move the timetables up consistently as that would be a much simpler environment for the cars to need to navigate.

@@flamegod7 The subway in my city had been wired for unmanned operation for at least forty years. It's very simple... on paper. Accelerate, decelerate, brake at stop marker, open doors for twenty seconds, accelerate again. In real life, trains still need human operators to manage the human stampede trying to get inside in the said twenty seconds...

@@flamegod7 Never seen a train crash but heard one 5 miles away.

@@flamegod7all we need is a more intelligent and capable population. Let’s keep bringing in Mexican drug dealers they can give our engineers coke and we’ll get it done.

The technology they are using is a. a dead end b. theres no update path c. Its only working in optimal condition and needs a car that is driving in front of you… i mean how autonomous can it be if there literally must be a human driving in front

​@@SeeNAVMthey don't need it in a technical sense, they need it because any self driving car that causes 1 accident will blow up in the media and everywhere while 90 year old half blind half braindeads are free to do whatever.

So the brakes slammed on with cars going 65 mph behind you and there was no accident? Okay. How far behind you were those cars? A mile?

@@gwarlow I always drive far from the bumpers of other people but cars can stop on a dime trucks slamming on brakes still take a few football fields to stop.... the cars probably just had to slow down gently behind me but hitting the braked is very dangerous in a truck because the load can shift the trailer is dangerous especially if it were to swing into a lane next to me. People in cars are at a lot of danger around trucks, slamming on brakes is never a good thing.

@@mysurfing3550 yeah that's fair, guessing it depends on what the truck is carrying too?

Computers may not make errors humans do, but on the other hand, humans don't make errors computers do. My "driver assist" consistently mistakes pedestrians on the sidewalk for pedestrians in the street. I get a lovely flashing, startling red alert every time.

I have the same problem you had. Sometimes it'll track a car that's gotten off at an exit and lock the brakes on the interstate when there's nothing in front of me. So why is this a problem? Understand for a car, standing on the brakes fixes everything. But when you're manuvering a 40 ton semi hauling hazmat tanker, it's often the worst thing you can do.

oh this train stuff needs to stop, trains are trains, tracks are not roads

@@geekswithfeet9137 Train is a better solution to the problem at hand. You cant fit an extra lane into every small street, so autonomous cars would have to be limited to main roads. At that point, just build a track instead. Even then, there is more than enough roads already as it is. Reducing cars is a beneficial in every way.

@@captainmorgan2530 do you realise the insanity of the amount of tracks would need to be installed? Trains serve a purpose for central hubs and long distance. But I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but they don’t have steering and can’t go off road very well

​@@geekswithfeet9137 Wow it's almost like public transport systems are actually SYSTEMS and thus any good train system is interlinked with a good tram, bus, bike infrastructure, and walkable housing systems

@@geekswithfeet9137 I think @grinffi pretty much said what I would. Its not just about spamming bunch of trains. Its about an interlinked system where trains connect cities and towns, within those trams, buses, and metro systems allow you to get pretty much anywhere. On top of that, a good bike and pedestrian infrastructure can ease accessing them, or replace them for shorter distances. Its not about removing the car completely, just giving people other means of transport, so they dont have to solely rely on this inefficient, expensive system that also destroys our cities and enviroment in its current state.

One video had a driver trying out the self-driving system and said that it was more mentally exhausting using it than driving normally because when driving normally you aren't worried about your arms suddenly deciding you should drive into a parked car or your foot deciding on its own to hit the brakes.

Case in point: When have you not seen some jerk cross the double/triple yellow and swerve in and out of the carpool/commuter lanes. You can't stop assholes. God put them on Earth to keep things lively. If they make a self-driving-only lane, some pinhead doing 90mph will swerve into it and brake check the RoboCars and we'll see the most epic pile up in the history of mankind.

Yes, he spent a lot of time on his nonsense idea. It makes you wonder how much else was nonsense. But you know, triangles on a screen are exactly like cars! Autonomy solved!!!

Well that was a dumb remark@@dirkbester9050

I like the idea of separate lanes for autonomous vehicles. I can imagine cruising LA to PHX or LAS at 120+ mph because it's safe to do so, as all the cars are synced to travel at the same speed. That might work in the desert, but the big problem I see is real estate for these lanes in cities and suburbia. Good luck with that.

and then there's developers that move their primary method of communication to a discord they control so that they can filter out all the negative discourse and act like their game has no issues.

well said.

there's no searchability of discord too, so people just ask the same questions. if its on reddit atleast u can see similar posts

Now you got me all interested, how would that get you fired? Used to much server resouces?

No, a railroad is a fixed point-to-point link. A road network has many (sometimes infinite) overlapping inlets and outlets, so you can go to many places. For instance, an HOV lane is not a railroad, and light rail doesn't do the same thing an HOV lane does.

@@louisvaught2495 Railroad is imo supposed to be a backbone for a finer net of bus or tram lines so that you can get in walking distance of your destination. HOV lanes are pretty static as well

@@creeper6530 HOV lanes are extremely flexible. It's just the cost of painting the markings and installing the signs.

@@louisvaught2495 Ah, got it. So, what is this Hyperloop thing? Just kidding. Musk revealed that Hyperloop was just meant to kill rail traffic without ever actually getting implemented. I guess Elon Musk talks about Spurbus (yes, that's German word), a concept he invented and implemented more than 80 years before he was born.

@@louisvaught2495 I visit Prague quite often. Now Prague isnt the pinackle of public transport, but its still arguebly faster to go to a nearest tram/metro/bus station and get to your destination that way, than if you had to get through traffic, and then find a parking spot. That is even considering, that the city is still overly car centric, and refuses to put a low speed limit for cars. Public transport (especially in US) doesnt get you where you want effectively, because it often operates on fraction of the budget that car infrastructure does. Also the cities are being designed in a way, that makes the car the only viable option in a lot of places, thanks to ineffective land use.

Like seriously. The “future” he suggests at the end of his video is so insanely convoluted. It is crazy how car centric we’ve become that it’s hard to even imagine a different vehicle and system. I was one of them at one point tbh.

having to create steel guiding rods and not to mention power cables overhead? on literally every road in the united states? even all the governments of all the countries on earth dont have enough money to make that happen.

@@anti-tryhard He's being sarcastic and saying that we should just put more investment into public transport instead of some batshit crazy self driving car system

@@asparagus_syndrome I know and i'm being sarcastic by playing into his idea

Try to not recreate trains take 3 let's go!

" Oh, that's my turn! Too bad I'm chained to the car in front and back of me. Oh Well! "

​@@Awaken_To_0Segrehates means no "turning" into the common car road

LIDAR works less than 50% of the time because the weather needs to be 100% perfect. Making a system that needs LIDAR is a system that has to be off most of the time.

People dont like public transport when given a choice. So you have to force its use. And to that i say... gl.

@@RasakBloodI like public transport. Why would I want to waste time focusing on the road

@@RasakBlood Well I like trains and travelling on them. I don't even have a driver's license, even though I have the means and capabilities to do so. Why go through the effort of getting a license or expense of owning a car when a bike, bus and train do the same job?

@RasakBlood I think you mean Americans hate public transit. (Funny how it's considered freedom to have to drive yourself around). A lot of other countries appreciate their value.

@@RasakBlood Weird how this is never actually the case in the real world, whenever new public transport systems are built they always quickly fill up and become enormously popular.

I've been trying to make this in Cities Skylines 2 since it came out and haven't gotten it to work yet. 😅

public transit that departs the station so frequently that you don't have to look at a schedule for most stops, electrified trains, pedestrianized streets, lot's of bike lanes, multi modal transportation infrastructure.. but america is totally car brained.

​@@BennJordansuuurely stream/show us your attempts? Or at least pics of the city?

@@BennJordan I've grown up in Switzerland, where public transport is quite advanced. I pay about 240$ a month for unlimited travel on any bus,tram,train,boat,cable car, ... Here is the list of things I can do without a car, and without inconvenience: - commute to work. I get to sit in a train for 40 minutes with my computer and wifi. I decided to live in another smaller city because I like it there. - go hiking/climbing/skiing during weekends (because we have public transport to most of the Alps) - go out / to the restaurant / cinema / ... On the weekend I have night trains and night buses - make concerts all over the country. I play the violin and I sing, I have the advantage of not needing to carry a lot of gear - just go visit any of the nice places in the country Here are the list of things I can't do without a car without inconvenience: - visit my parents that live in a very rural place (I can, but no public transport on the weekend. There are about 50 people that live there. ) - some very specific hikes My point is, even though Switzerland is quite small, you don't need crazy high densities for public transport to work. Almost any place with more than 1000 people will have regular (every 30 minutes) all day service. Every city with more than 20'000 peoples will have night buses on the weekends for people going out. People in Switzerland own cars not because it is always the most convenient way of transport, but more because people have a lot of money and like to buy nice things. I know plenty of people who a car, but regularly use public transport because of the convenience of it. I still believe that autonomous driving is the future, but the US has a very car-centric mindset, and you tend to see the solution to transportation problem through this lens (your last section on boids illustrates this). Cars will always be needed in truly rural areas, but there are many last mile solutions other than cars.

Just imagine if large businesses in the cities ran their own shuttles for employees - that alone would make a huge dent in traffic volume!

We could make them even more efficient by removing the battery and installing overhead wires, and installing steel wheels and roadways, and then we could connect them together to prevent traffic jams if one of them breaks down, we could perhaps even let people walk between the cars and enjoy things like an on board resturant and free wifi.

@@hedgehog3180 LMAOOO ypure not wrong. making electric ai car superhighways would be outrageously expensive and would have few benefits over a good commuter train.

Segregating roadways between AI driven vehicles from human driven vehicles is the smartest idea I've heard in this space in half a decade!

@@user-wg2vw3mz1v then you might as well just build fucking tracks and put trains on them, cheaper, faster, and doesn't require half as complicated an AI to drive.

I think Track Running Autonomous Independent Network would work even better.

LOL good stuff

We could even put them on steel rails to lower rolling resistence

@@rlwelch there could even be an additional rail that supplied energy, so that charging stations would be unnecessary.

Okay...but what if people don't like riding on trains? What if someone wants to be alone or with their family and not with 30 or so strangers? What if you want to go somewhere that's no on the route everyone else wants to go to? Trains are never going to be a workable solution until people start actually making them a better option than cars, and that means addressing the actual shortcomings. If you want people to ride trains, you need to ask why people don't like riding them now and find a way to fix that. For example, what train lets you get on and off "Whenever you want" rather than on a tight and regular schedule of departure and arrival times in the best case scenario? Assuming it doesn't come late or get canceled or just not come? I've had trains cancelled on my in the Colorado Winter. It's not very fun. What train accommodates all schedules? It's all well and good if you work a normal 9-to-5 but not everyone does. When I worked a job that got off at 10PM there was 1 rail going from the city center to my home. If something happened at work or I am running behind and miss the train? Well sucks to be me, the next one doesn't come till early next morning. I don't even like driving, but after a year of dealing with the bus and train system, I caved and just bought a car. More comfortable, more convenient, more safe, more clean, and more flexible.

Unless you’re dying in the next 5 years, it’ll happen.

It's already been figured out. It's called waymo.