All full throttle all locos can throw cinders. It even lifts all the coals off the grates and they float in mid air!!! Great way to "clean" a fire from a over zealous fireman🤣🤣🤣🤣
Everyone thinks these are ugly but I actually quite like them. They are work horses, purpose built. They didn't look sleek and new, because they didn't need to be, and that's okay
I honestly think it's more of a flaunt of wealth over need to look good. What says "I got plenty of money" other than filling out your train fleet with trains that got 1/2 ton~ of unnecessary metal, and things like (for comparison purposes) a cruise control that 95% of your driver's will not use
Like almost every British tank, mediocre and full of problems. But they got that special charm that allows them to be "competitive" even though they're not actually
I'm surprised Thomas and Neville didn't know each other until that episode? The E2s were also built in Brighton and remained in service until 1961-1963, when the Class 08 diesel shunter entered widespread use.
@@jamesgroccia644 Class 08 Paxton Diesel Sidney Locomotives Thomas and Friendsthere are two brake hoses they come with Gray Vaccum red Air Brakes however in the show they're only seen using Air Brakes. Learned those from Train simulator world Tees Valley Line
@Kabuki Kitsune Thanks. For real though, I can’t think of a whole lot of 0-6-0 type engines built in this era for mainline service (outside of the UK anyway).
@Fuzzyhead878 Interesting to hear from an American on this (I'm Australian)! The Brits certainly knew about 0-6-0 locos, but as you suggest, the Q1 is (perhaps) the ultimate evolution of the 0-6-0. As a huge fan of the LMS *Black 5* I was surprised to learn tonight that the Q1 was considered of equal power. 😮
@@yeo5811 Funny as that may be, I wouldn't take too much notice of Chris Eden-Green! I used to watch his videos but all I ever saw were cartoons of himself, and hearing loads of negative comments. I doubt he's ever given one penny to any of the societies whose engines he knocks!
@@tobys_transport_videos You, you know you have to pay to get the photo passes to take footage right? And, the exaggerated drawings are 1: a weird thing to be mad about 2: have been retired for over a year now And what negative comments?
@@NoaZeevi What are you on about??? Chris Eden-Green doesn't have a good word to say about anyone, and 2: Pay for what? I never said anything about money!
The fact that an absolute powerhouse of a locomotive for its size looks like it was built in Minecraft is definitely something. The Q1's boxy design has made it consistently one of my favourite locomotives, and the fact it was so powerful enhances that. Heck, I can easily see it in BR Blue if BR wanted to keep limited steam use, as its square design gives real diesel vibes.
@@nococoforboco5538 Ahh makes sense although it does sounds like a humble name for a heavy goods train locomotive, Sorry I've tried to distance myself from that show due to having the accursed namesake of the LB&SC E2 of that show... So I'm not familiar with most of the newer characters of it.
If the Bluebell find an empty space in their 'recreation shops' at Sheffield Park, they ought to think about recreating another Q1. It's unlikely the NRM will allow C1 back out on the rails and it did so well at the Bluebell in the past (my kids were brought up on the Q1) that they could do worse. They are only ever going to steam the really big engines now and again (when they eventually come back - yes, I know why they have been less than conspicuous for a decade) and a Q1 in another decade would be just perfect.
I recall a ride on a train to Guildford, somewhere around 1966, pulled by 33001 which ended up eventually on the Bluebell Railway. I can even remember the driver stopping to pick up his hat, which had blown off his head and landed by the side of track. The other memorable part of the day was arriving in Guildford to see Britannia (70000) waiting there. The driver kindly let the three of us lads climb up into the cab for a closer inspection. Q1s were a common sight on Southern back in the 1950s and 60s; I thought they were rather lovely.
I remember that we had two Q1s on our special the day after services had ceased from Steyning through Horsham and Cranleigh to Guildford London Road. I would not say they were ugly. Bulleid was an innovative designer and they were exactly suited to wartime conditions.
In my workshop I have a homemade sign "Form follows function and function dictates form". Not my words but those of Mr Bullied and nothing demonstrates his mantra like the Charlies. Personally I have always thought there is a certain beauty to them. Crews liked them as firing was easy and, considering he built them as disposable engines, they sure lasted well. I am aware that other opinions are out there
Personally, I've always thought they looked very cool and very modern for a steam locomotive. Sadly, only one of these austerity locomotives was preserved in the 1960s, working on the Bluebell Railway until 2004 and since then as a stationary exhibit at the York Railway Museum.
It’s literally the definition of Jump through the hoop. Just has what it needs and it does the job well. I personally don’t think it’s so ugly, just unusual
Meanwhile, in Roanoke Virginia in 1942, N&W built the Y6a-class locomotives, which became one of the most powerful locomotives built with 2156 being the strongest extant steam locomotive in the world; stronger than UP’s Big Boys.
Q1 class tractive effort: 30080 lb. Black 5 tractive effort: 25455 lb. The Q1 boiler and firebox had a slightly greater heating surface than the Black 5. (Which is what determines sustained steaming capacity). Q1 loco weight (all of it adhesive, i.e. on the driving wheels): 51 tons. Black 5 loco weight 72 tons, but some of that on the leading bogie, so I doubt its adhesive weight would be any more than the Q1. Q1 power class: 5F Black 5: 5P5F. So a Q1 could pull at least as much, if not more, than a Black 5, though the Black 5 may have had a higher allowable maximum speed. The only advantage for a Black 5 would be in an unfitted (unbraked) freight train where its extra weight would give better braking. Not unusual for a freight engine to out-pull a mixed traffic engine.
@@lukythesteamlover There is no simple answer. On the level? Or on a particular line? The allowable load for a particular class of engines would vary according to the nature of the load and the gradients on the line. Someone here may have a schedule for various locos (or power classes) on a particular line, I'm afraid I don't. Allowable loads would be determined by the tractive effort (pull) of the loco, by the weight on the driving wheels, by its power (not quite the same thing as tractive effort, and dependent on its boiler capacity), and by its braking ability. This is why 'power classes' such as 5P (Passenger), 7F (Freight) and the like were developed, to simplify the task of the staff in making up trains. So in theory, a Q1 (class 5F) would be allowed the same load as a Black 5 (also 5F). The Q1 actually had a greater pull than the Black 5, but weighed less (so less braking ability), which is probably why they both got classified as '5F'. There was also Route Availability - where a loco was allowed to go - and in that respect a Q1 probably had a greater availability because it was lighter. So someone may have a 'typical' answer or some specific examples. I'm afraid (without a lot of research) I can't help with that.
The inspiration for Neville, my personal favourite of all the Engines from Thomas the tank Engines who I sadly lost the metal version of which I use to take everywhere when I was younger. I love this train. It just means so much to me Edit: Just got to the end of the video and finding out that there is only ONE!!!! left in preservation is devastating. Definitely on my list of things I'd change if I could time travel.
The Q1 is far from attractive, but this is part of what makes them unique. The mind of Mr O. S. Bulleid came up with some interesting designs. When I first got deep into British railway modelling I wasn't too keen on these, but when I got heavily into Southern Railway modeling I started to like them. 6 years ago I wasn't a fan of Mr Bulleid's Pacifics. I initially came to prefer the rebuilt version, but after reading in 2017 of the last days of Southern steam 50 years ago, I gained a whole new admiration for the three classes that Mr Bulleid had created, and 4 years later have around 5 of them in OO scale on my layout, only bettered by the LBSCR Terriers at a fleet of about 7!
Clockworks was a good nickname. Even Sir William F Stanier remarked, "where does the key go?". Nevertheless, they have an austere beauty reflected in their design for purpose.
LMAO!!!That's rich coming from Stanier, a man who saw his designs merely as his work. He cared not for the use of an engine after he'd created it, yet the Black 5 was such as awesome engine! The BR-Riddles designed 5MT was not as good in my view. Robert Riddles' greatest designs (to me) were the 4MT tank engine and the 9F goods engine. For BR designs they were great engines!!!
I would see one regularly, usually sitting, but sometimes working, in the permanent way (signalling)/ goods yard just east of Wimbledon station in the 1960s. They always fascinated me. Thanks for another good overview.
Funny story, I first heard of this class because of Neville from Thomas and Friends (of course), I didn’t know much about it, but because it was square, I thought it was a steam turbine electric engine like the ones C&O and N&W. I had been reading about them lately at the time.
The ultimate expression of function over form. Have never minded the Q1's looks, as their performance figures, service record and longevity in spite of their being explicitly built to fulfill a wartime requirement appeal to me far more.
Once in a while they were used on the Guildford - Reading passenger service. Sometimes I rode them home from school between Reading and Wokingham and with three carriages they could accelerate faster than a 2-BIL electric unit.
I remember when a Q1 engine named, Neville was pulling a passenger train. But however, there was a broken bridge with a barrier in front of it. The train hits the barrier, but did not fall off the bridge. And soon, an E2 class tank engine named thomas, coupled up to the back of the train, and pulled Neville to sefety.
I recently saw the last remaining Q1 Class in the National Railway Museum and it is a strange looking machine but it is really interesting as well as reliable. No wonder Neville was mocked in Thomas And Friends for looking like a diesel. I wish it got overhauled.
I don't know why they call it ugly. American locomotives don't have any ornamentation, and they still manage to look quite nice. The Q1s in my opinion look really cool
Highly interesting. Glad I was able to obtain footage on the Bluebell Railway back in the 1990s. It was the first time I had ever used a video camera. This class of locomotive is fascinating as are all of Bulleid's creations.
Thinking about it, the many ideas of Oliver Bulleid would make a good subject for these videos. His Pacifics, Leader (And the H1 Atlantic Hartland Point that was used as a test bed for the sleeve valves), The Booster Electrics, The Tavern Cars and that Inspection Saloon/Sleeping Coach made of Plywood. The 4DD and the Q1 are just the tip of the iceberg.
so sad only ONE remains in preservation. It WAS in full working order on the Bluebell line. I would love to see her restored and flexing her muscles again on a mixed goods!
Old nuts that grew up on the southern railway: SR Q1 Class 20 year olds that grew up watching hit entertainment episodes from Thomas and friends: *Neville.*
The T-34-85 of British Locomotion. Nothing flashy about them, but the fact that they were used for decades afterwards speak a lot of good about them. //good god, 7 countries STILL officially used T-34-85s as of 2021. Latest war it saw was like 2014 in Yemen. Is there another tank that old that is still in use?!
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If everything in the world looks the same then there is no such thing as beauty or ugliness. These locos proved to be more efficient than any other class of their type. As such, they were far more useful than all the rest. As for beauty, just imagine the most perfect woman on earth. 24 hours later you will have forgotten her as there is nothing that sticks in your mind. You only remember beauty by the small faults that deviate from perfection. As for me, I find these engines beautiful.
There's a heritage railway near me with some very American looking engines, they told me they were specially built in America for British railways. I think they're call S160? They seem quite interesting and likely have a story behind them. It's weird seeing them as you'd usually expect British Steam locos.
That would be correct, the USATC S160s were American 2-8-0 Consolidation locomotives built for use in Europe during WWII. They have been used almost all over the world at one point or another now. Wikipedia has everything detailed about them of course.
