Space Marines vs Tyranids. Warhammer 40k 1,635pts Battle in the  

tak and tycho, my boyz jk I'm sure the whole team paints just fine :^)

I think its: base coats, higlights with airbrush and white paint (maybe white acrylic ink) and washes

Airbrush, seems like Tak mastered it.

+1

I agree with this statement.

Thank you for the praise. We are happy with the dreadnoughts too

@@kierensummers2441yesss join the imperial war machine

I can only guess Tak did it

@@PlayOnTabletop Tak can you post some tutorials for your airbrush method for these space marines please!

Paint job is amazing, but I don't know if I like the model. I don't feel it's space marine-y enough or something

Now that the points are out, we also now know the Tyranids are at a points disadvantage as well, the Leviathan box seems to assume you’ve never played marines, but have played Tyranids and own a ton of Tyranid models to supplement

The levitation box is 100-200 points more in SMs which is why they have been stomping the Nids in most of the battle reports

yea, i have watched about 5-6 battle reports of 10th now, and it feels like marines are about 100 pts(9th points value) ahead of the Nids to be balanced. Sucks for Oghram in particular as a nid player

I want to see Tak play the 'Nids. Nick's personality is great, but I think he has not fully figured out how to play the 'Nids after being an Ork player in T'au shoes for so long.

It’s not just points, the nid list just has no reliable way to kill dreadnauts and only has the screamer killer to kill terminators… every match I’ve seen the tyranids just bounce off the armour… unless the nid player focuses entirely on their numbers advantage and play the objective game they don’t really have a way to win.

@@grilledboard worse than that, its closer to 300 pts less with no anti armor

Oaths of moment is just wayyy too powerful. Whoever wrote that rule was smoking crack

I am not surprised. Have Space Marines not been the superior force in every recent launch set? I always see them as the force the kid plays to give them that early success in the game that gets them hooked, while their dad plays the Saturday morning cartoon villain of the edition, be it Death Guard, Necrons, or Tyranids now.

Plot armor like no other

They've won every game but 1 I've seen, and the guy playing them had never played marines before... At this point .. 7-8 wins for Marines, 1 for Nids. Not a great look. Tyranid shooting is just too weak, barely play in one whole phase and Marines are tanky enough that melee isn't the overwhelming phase it used to be.

@@InVerum - I've noticed a similar win rate. Every edition starts this way though, with marines being an early easy winner - but often losing later as people learn the ins and outs of the game and armies.

The Marines in the box are definetly built to be anti-tyranid, but the tyranids arnt really built to be anti-marine.

Was this match done with the recent point release?

@@ssoroka65 No, I don't think so, and it turns out that on points, it's about right if you take the terminators or dreadnaught out.

@@ssoroka65 no, just with what was in the boxes. Following the epic hero rule ofc

I think the balance is worse than this match indicates. The dice luck was definitely with Nick most of the game and he still never really had a chance.

Gants and Rippers are horrible... I dont think it would be enough, I think rather the box needed some good combo's instead, and more dedicated melee.

I hope so. SM has some crazy good abilities.

Its GW. Marines are gonna be cheaper.

Yeah this should have been the case but no marines have plenty of cheap tough units

It’s honestly very thematic, just hammering priority targets one after the other

tactics, tactics

Had a lot of fun putting that in the edit

I like to imagine that the hive mind just wants to bring all life into it's warm embrace. Every tyranid is living it's best life, enraptured in bliss with whatever it is doing, whether that's crushing space marines skulls or jumping into digestive pools. The Genestealer Cults have tasted this, hence why they work so hard to offer themselves and the planet to this blissful heavenly existence. Maybe the Tyranids are the greatest good..

Points are out, 865 for the Marines, 815 for the Nids. A 50 point difference in one box, probably around100 pts with the two boxes combined the way they did. Tyranids just can't get around the Marines durability. Most of the Tyranid stuff is 5-6 strength with -1 AP. Ends up rolling even odds or single advantage against the Marine stuff and getting shrugged on a 3+ save. The only unit that gets double advantage is the Screamer Killer (Str 8, AP-2) which Oath of Moment almost always targets and removes turn 1.

@@christophervennix9861 Not always, i'm fairly certain the leviathan box is meant to be played in the Combat Patrol style which makes it so Oath of Moment is reroll hits, but not wounds. I could... Be absolutely mistaken here however.

Yeah, as a Tyranid player Im a bit worried as I have yet to see a single Leviathan fight that didn't end in the nids getting annihilated.

Tyranids just seem like that they cant kill anything that has high-ish toughness or save. Barbgaunts usually only kill 1 marine or none with their shots, and their supression is nice, but it does not always come in. Winged Primes just seem incapable of wounding or get saved all the time. I hope that when we see more units, like warriors, carnifexes and genestealers tyranids start struggling less.

@@yamilalcaide9448 We have very few high strenght weapons in our list. You can basically choose between melee: Tervigon with massive crushing claws has A4 WS4 S12 Ap-3 D6+1 D. Old One Eye does that better with A6 WS3 S14 AP-3 D6+1. Haruspex has A4 WS3 S14 Ap-2 D6+1. Carnifexes with crushing claws get A4 WS4 S12 Ap-3 D6+1. So yeah, you need to run up the board and hope the enemy doesn't guard his tanks/dreads with a little screen of troops or take you out as you try to get close enough. Or shooting which is even more limited. Only three things have a higher strength than 9.... Zoanthropes has a A1 BS3 S12 Ap-3 D6+1 attack. But its only 24" range. Hive Guard with shock cannons will be more common now, 24" range with a anti-vehicle 2+ at A2 Ap-1 D3... Not hard to save for 2+ armor, but still. That leaves the only real good ranged anti-vehicle to the Tyrannofex - which will be a must have for tyranids lists now. It has 48" range. Heavy. A2 BS3 S18 Ap-4 2D6 damage. Nids will struggle against any list that brings lots of T10+ units. But will work very well against infantry. But yeah, unless you can swarm the enemy or get in a bunch of genestealers with their Broodlord all while using the Hyper Agression adaptation - its going to be a rough time. Points are coming out today though. So perhaps our stuff will just be cheaper than most other factions so that we can bring more of it. Just don't count on it.

​@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 I fear the points hope was nothing but a dream. Total costs for Tyranids = 815, total for Space Marines = 865. Only 50 points in it, the Space Marines could leave behind a single character and end with a *lower* points cost than the Tyranids...

@@christophervennix9861 yeah, we are out of luck it seems. Not a great start of 10th.

They're convincing me too!

Cuz he just wants to have fun :D

Thank you for the feedback. In this particular instance we were just trying a "what if we doubled the Leviathan set" and Nick is very new to Tyranids. We do also have Tycho and Mubin who play Tyranids and can endeavour to put more varied play styles and lists on the channel to show off the Nids.

Thank you!

hahaha. Never! For reasons...

That one cracked up everyone in the studio too as we were working on it.

Tyranids are at a severe disadvantage in the leviathan box, not only are there more points of space marines but the only unit that can realistically deal with the terminators and dreadnaught is the screamer killer, which the space marines really don’t struggle to kill… really gotta play the objective game and get as much value out of the screamer killer as physically possible to stand a chance, easier said than done.

If Nick hadn't gone for the gambit, he actually would have won.

@@jtmcdowell2331 but still, this further validates my point, the nids could have not won in any other way, unlike the space marines they were highly unlikely to kill their enemy, consider the 2 main bulwarks being the screamer killers did not manage to even kill a dreadnought. Don't get me wrong, I still like the changes made in 10th edition and the new simplicity of the game, but am I the only one that feels the nids being less powerful than what they were estimed to be? I seriously am starting to think that Nick went for the gambit because he thought that his units would've not been able to kill the ones holding the objectives and hoped for their resilience to last.

@@oneoftheboyz1538 I think you may be misunderstanding me my friend; I'm saying if nick stayed on mission, did not choose the gambit, he would have scored 7 on primary both turn 4 and 5. That makes him win by 2 without additional Secondary points. Tak did make some crazy saves as well as Nick failed to do some damage with the screamer killers. I think honestly the screamer killer is meant for heavy infantry killing not vehicles. Tyranids also have the adaptive Stratagem to do lethal hits on vehicles, something nick could have done as well. Not saying this is a "balanced box" by any stretch. It is a box full of awesome new models though. I loved painting the tyranid half!

Get some It will surprise you hoe much fun it can be to build and paint ur own

@@bradleyhall1815 pulling the trigger. Just got the recruit set with the space marines and necrons. Excited to try this hobby out

@@nathank3190 Welcome to the hobby!

@@nathank3190 good call man hope you find it as relaxing as I did. And I have no prior art experience. Both SM and Necrons look good in 10th too so good purchase

Absolutely was 😊

I liked that shirt as well.

Best A.I in sci fi in my opinion

We have a couple yes but we share our joy with all of you so that makes it okay, right?

@@PlayOnTabletop Nah, it's all right. GW should do better when releasing a new edition....

To be fair, Tak was down 4(?) Characters, which should cover a lot of the points difference. It's more an issue of the composition of the nids army

It was a big part of this game with the Captain's ability to use a stratagem again and for free with the Terminator squad.

That is one way to put it

nope you are right. The SM are overpowered right now. We dont know until points are released (later today) but the OoM ability combined with a lot of multi hit hard hitting weapon is ridiculous. Also keep in mind that the Leviathan box does not include some of the best Tyranid units. A melee carnifex would have been much better than a screamerkiller in this gamem, and a standard nid army would have included zoanthropes and venomthropes.

The Space Marine side did sideline four units then add the Heavy Intercessors but yes, the set isn't balanced out of box.

Really can't wait to start hearing unsponsored opinions and actual army lists