Spamton's Insanity, EXPLAINED! (Deltarune Chapter 2 Theory) 

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an interesting fact: the weird face you see when going to the teacup area in the basement for the first time is labeled as "friend" in the game files

A fun fact from the wiki: Jevil and Spamton NEO's fights share exactly one flavor text - "The air crackles with freedom."

Its also implied that queen had spamton dunked in the acid, and thats why hes shorter than his friends, since spamton says things like "ow it burns" and queen says something along the lines of "shrink from the acid" during the boat ride

gaster in 2016: a vague entity with undescribable abilities gaster in 2021: "lol lemme prank call some dudes across dimentions and get em in cripling debt"

The line 'Spamton begs the audience to stop taking furniture out of his room' Is especially chilling upon realising he went bankrupt and had the furniture removed from his house and is essentially constantly reliving the pain from that.

I have an interesting theory regarding Kris and Spamton. During the Spamton Neo fight, Kris has a bit of a revelation. Spamton is just a puppet, who was given everything he ever wanted by his puppeteer, before being abandoned and having his life crumble before his eyes, which was potentially the event that drove him to the depths of the insanity we find him in in Ch 2. Does that story sound like it applies to anyone else? That’s right, Kris. Kris is being used as a puppet by you, the player, but during that time, Kris meets friends, something it’s clear they’ve never really had. Even Noelle is off put by you when you meet her in chapter one, showing that their friendship is more a pity cause on Noelle’s part rather than a true friendship. With a few hours of landing in the dark world, Kris makes friends like Susie, Ralsei, Lancer, Rouxls, and more. But even more important to Kris, they become a hero. They finally have an achievement to one up their brother who they have spent their whole in his shadow. And it’s important to note Kris’s demeanor in the scenes we see them freed from our control. At the end of chapter 1, while Kris still doesn’t have very much idea of who or what you are, Kris acts overtly hostile towards you, threatening you the player with a knife. At the end of chapter two after the Spamton fight, Kris barely even considers you, instead doing everything they can to setup the dark world. Why the big change in demeanor? It’s because Kris has realized how valuable the player is to them. As long as the player continues playing the game, Kris continues to have friends and being a hero. Kris fears above all being discarded by you, because then they will end up like Spamton. Spamton is a dark reflection of a potential future in which the player stops playing the game, and Kris is terrified of becoming that. It’s even mirrored in their goals. Both want to be important. Both want to be popular. Kris realized that the only way to prevent themself becoming like Spamton is to trap you into playing the game. That’s why they opened the next dark fountain, in plain view of the camera. They want the player to need to investigate why Kris did what they did. In reality, the answer is just to get the player to do the investigating.

The idea of "Mike" being the main villain of chapter 3 is possible, since in chapter 1 jevil (a secret boss) is the only one that mentioned Queen, and now we have Spamton (another secret boss) who is the only one that mentions Mike, I'm guessing each secret boss will namedrop the villain of the next chapter to keep us hooked, just a theory though.

When he was talking to "you" and focused straight at the viewpoint, I got chills. Because it was clear he meant the player not Kris

In the unique lines in Spamton's shop, where he speaks normally for once, "Mike..." and "Can anyone hear me...? Help..." directly reflect Spamton at the end of his NEO fight, where he asks the party to break their own strings. This presents an interesting idea that Spamton doesn't really want to be a "BIG SHOT", in the sense that he wants to make it big. That's his controller talking but... he just wants to be free. And the person on the other end of the phone, that garbage noise, gave him the epiphany that he's being controlled. The rest of the time his dialogue is plagued by lines from advertisements, forced to repeat them as a spam email puppet account. He's essentially tortured the whole time, trying his hardest to stay sane while he works to break away from his programmed mission. Just a heart on a chain...

Just thinking about the "Big Shot" commercial, and I've just realised Toby has a tendency to reference old commercials. "Get Dunked On" was originally a Snickers Commercial.

To those who are unaware. The next 3 chapters of Deltarune (3,4,5) will all be released at the same time. For a price. Chapter 2 was supposed to be a part of this, but Toby thought everyone could use a free chapter to hold us over because these last 2 years have been brutal.

I hope that almost everyone can agree that the song “big shot” is an absolute banger

Headcanon: The way Spamton makes his sentences is almost like two minds speaking together. I think he didn't always speak like that, but it was a feature of the madness he acquired from Gaster

12:27. Noelle doesn't think that Kris is doing it. When Kris has no HP left, Noelle still can hear the voice, pushing her to do something she doesn't know (Snowgrave). And if you visit her and her father at the hospital after sealing the fountain in the genocide route, she keeps telling herself that it was all just a dream but she thinks the voice she heard was nothing like Kris's voice, but rather scary and real. She also mentions that no one seems to realize that Kris has changed a lot lately.

The undertale community when something can’t be explained: It’s gaster time

undertale fans when someone in deltarune says dark: it reeks of gaster in here

The connection between the Wrong Number Song and Spamton makes a lot of sense, especially since both of them have to do with phones and have a short "happy theme"

1997 implies Spamton’s big shot era was the cause of the crazy 90’s internet, where email spam scams were much more prevalent

Interesting thing- in the pacifist spamton neo fight, if you have a full inventory, it shows he isn't dead, because he's pissed at you, and he goes into the storage box

I just want to clean up the timeline here before future theories go too deep: Frisk didn't tumble down in 201X. *Chara* did. We don't know how many years passed until the main story happened.

In Undertale: Mettaton NEO can be one shotted In Deltarune: Spamton NEO takes forever to kill, and he states that "NEO was built for strength"

I don’t see what’s so insane about Spamton, he just wants to sell *[Hyperlink Redacted]*

I dont remember when this was, but somewhere through out chapter 2 the game refers to Kris and YOU the player being two separate people via text. When Spamton says "Do you want to be a heart on a chain your whole life?" hes basically asking Kris if they want to be free from YOU the player, suggesting that youre controlling this "being" known as Kris. Kris is the players puppet. Thats why Kris tries to rip their soul out in the end of chapter 1. Just a theory though.

I think spamton is a representation for Kris, which is why Kris seems so distressed after it and Ralsei is a representation of us, most people tried to be kind the whole time, a pacifist. He also stopped Kris from being distressed immediately, not drawing attention to it.

This character genuinely made me feel unsafe, he really did feel like the type of person that would just snap and try to kill you for no reason, even among all the other characters that try to kill you on sight

Fun Fact: Spamton was the mascot of a drink back in 1997 called “Big Shot” by a guy named “Mike”

We got jevil the clown, spamton the marinette It's gotta be mike the mime next

What we know for certain about Gaster: - He is in pain. - He created the Core. - He was the royal scientist before Alphys. - He was shattered across space and time after falling into an experiment. - He wanted to create a new future with us, the player. There isn't really much here that determines what kind of person he is. There are conflicting ideas. Some people think that he wants to create a world where choices matter, maybe to prevent a future that he previously saw as inevitable, but after observing the player in Undertale, he realised that we could change the fate of the world. On the other hand, there a re a few hints that suggest that Gaster, more than anything, is just interested in gaining the player's soul for himself. He might want to use this to craft the world exactly as he sees fit, or simply to free himself from whatever state he is in. The main reason it is difficult to determine the nature of Gaster is that all of the angles that we look at him show something slightly different. For example, in the intro to Deltarune, he communicates with us, the player, very well. Sure, his speech is a little strange, but it's clear what he's saying. However, when he's on the phone in the dark world, there is just garbage noise. When he is behind the trees, he doesn't talk to us, and seemingly fades in and out of existence. His form is all over the place.

10:54 "as Frisk tumbled down in 201X." It was my understanding that it was Chara, not Frisk, who fell in 201X. Later in the game, the exact same sepia-toned (a tone that generally indicates the past) art style is used to show young Asriel helping Chara up from their fall. Also, in New Home, there is a calendar the narration describes as "an *old* calendar from the end of 201X", clearly indicating that, by the time Frisk arrives, it is no longer 201X. In a Genocide run, the red-text narrator describes the same calendar with "The date I came here."

I could agree with the “Gaster met Kris before chapter 1” theory. In the game files, there IS actually a chapter 0 image. There is also chapters 8, 9, and 10 image files. These could POSSIBLY be canon when chapters 3, 4 and 5 release.

11:58 Remember, Kris and you are two different entities. The characters in the game say that Kris acted differently before you actually took control. This gives away that Kris hasn’t met Gaster yet, maybe. But you probably have already met Gaster.

Fun Fact : [0:25] in one of the dialogues Spamton actually acknowledges Jevil as "That damned clown around town" [3:40] Probably meta commentary on Jevil's popularity among the Deltarune Fandom

Here's the thing: I've seen a few videos about the lyrics in Big Shot, and the first one is always heard as "Please, Mike, answer the phone". Everyone's been saying Gaster is responsible for Jevil's insanity and Spamton's success but we barely know anything about Gaster. All we know is that he was a Royal Scientist, he fell into something he created, and he was shattered across time and space. We don't even know if he wrote Entry 17! So what if this mysterious mind-breaker is Mike? Spamton does end up losing his mind due to someone on the phone. Maybe he dialed the phone but only got this strange garbage noise. But that's just a theory.

A little detail that I noticed at the end of Deltarune Chapter 2, was that Kris leaves a crack in the front door so that the Dark Fountain can reach outside!

I think the third chapter will have Mike as a Queen-like character, for one reason, and one reason alone. This is gonna sound nuts, but if the world is in television, and the guy’s name is Mike, it’s highly possible that his name would be Mike Television… or, and we all know Toby likes a good reference… Mike TV. Yes, like the Willy Wonka character.

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theory : the secret bosses are based off the deadly sins because jevil is pride and thinks he is the only one that is free and spamton is greed because of all the deals he makes edit: after further research i found that the levels are ascending in the common classification of the levels of hell pride is lowest and greed is second lowest so next will prob wrath

What if every character is being controlled by someone like Kris? Perhaps Mike is like the player, but just controls someone asides Kris. I started thinking of this when I recalled that Susie had a red soul in chapter 1 while the player controlled her when she fought Lancer. Toby said that the red soul wasn’t a mistake.

I've noticed the "Everywhere man." In all 3 games. I first noticed him in Alphys' true lab in the bird Amalgamate fight. Then I noticed him in Jevil's fight on the carousel. Then I noticed him in the ally where Bratty is hanging out in Chapter 2. Along with the fight with the pop up enemy, where you click "Block." And then you have to close to pop ups, he's in one of them.

This takes me waaaaay back to when Swanky had a very low subscriber count and before Undetale truly blew up. It's been fun to see how Swanky much like Toby has evolved over the past 6 years. And of course it's fun having new clues about our mysterious man who speaks in hands.

I haven’t heard anyone say this but I think it’s going to be a recurring theme. Both Jevil and Spamton both have a speech problem. Jevil repeats words unnecessarily and Spamton glitches out and says things that sound completely random. So I believe that after coming into contact with gaster, they gained a speech problem and the fact that their vocal speech is affected so weirdly reminds me of how Sans Papyrus and Gaster are all named after a form of typed text (which is a form of speech)

My theory is that each chapter will have their own "weirdo character" Jevil, Spamton etc. And at the end of it all, they'll all assemble, or you'll assemble the items they drop and fight off against a Gaster-like figure. I like to imagine that these characters had Undertale counterparts that we never saw or didn't recognize, and that sans is the only one who made it out, if the Undertale cast gets to go to the dark world, maybe sans will have a moment with these guys, who knows? I think sans fits in perfectly with this crowd.

Small Theory: I have a feeling each chapter will have some outlier character that is symbolic of a sin. Jevil is Pride, that’s why he says “I can do anything” Based on what the 2nd ones story is. I can say that he is greed…

2:15 The recycling bin in the library, with a bunch of spam emails printed out, implies that's him.

damn swawnkybox already with the deltarune theories

Definitely sold on Mike being the villain of chapter 3 since Queen was teased by jevil so the secret boss of chapter 2 teasing the boss of chapter 3 would be a repeat of that

When you defeat spamton peacefully, he stops speaking with his glitchy other voice and speaks calmly. Like the evil left him or something

I hate how whenever he breaks character, he immediately looks straight at the player, like he is warning the player directly.

Probably impossible to happen theory: In chapters 1 2 3 4 5 6, there will be secret bosses, each giving you a shadow crystal just like in chapter 1 and 2. These crystals are somehow a part of Gaster and Gaster managed to manipulate the world to unite all of the 6 by phone calls, in chapter 7 he will bring himself back to the world because of the crystals being found and united, and will be a ultimate secret boss

I have a general theory for what happened with Mike and Spamton. Mike found his way to Spamton through a connection between his Dark World and Spamton's Dark World, that being the TV's connection to the internet. This is based off the fact that Mike's Dark World is localised in the living room where Kris created the fountain, though. Going to the "Big Shot" soda advert, this could tie to DELTARUNE in the way that Mike promoted BIG SHOT which would be, in this case, Spamton's brand. It is mentioned in Deltarune that Toriel's home lost connection to the internet a "while ago" and that it will be getting fixed sooner or later. With the loss of the signal, this could've cut the ties between Mike and Spamton's Dark Worlds. This caused Spamton's business to start crumbling due to the loss of traction from the promotions. This eventually leads to him being kicked out of the mansion and getting himself into the state you see him in-game. It is said that it seems he left the mansion "mid-call", so my idea is that he kept trying to desperately ring Mike back before he goes entirely under, eventually giving up and leaving. Though hey that's just a game theo-

I think the clear answer here that Toby Fox has been hinting at with Spamton is that Toby got THE Mike Ditka himself to become a major antagonist in DeltaRune In all seriousness, I thought that Chapter 1 on its own was really interesting, but Chapter 2 has blown my expectations away; all of the theorizing and discussion about it is really fun, and I'm super excited to see what happens with the rest of DeltaRune

I don't think the "ton" is supposed to be emphasized. I imagine his name being a slight play on names like "Wellington."

This man is literally the Undertale community’s MatPat. Your theories are always fun

Fun fact "egg" in wingdings is fingers pointing the way a knight moves in chess.

Spamton, not only Jevil, knows about the HP mechanic. He has a line at the end of the Weird Route before his final attack where he says, "MY ESTEEM CUSTOMER I SEE YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO DEPLETE MY HP!"

"Be careful with the man that speaks in hands" Me whenever i see someone speaking in sign language: is this gaster?

I find it interesting that the most pronounced leitmotifs in Spamton Neo's theme are undertale ones. You've got Power of Neo, Dummy!, Ghost Fight, etc. An obvious connection to be drawn is that of "ghosts" or by extension, puppets. You easily draw the parallel to Happstablook's story. But why are the Undertale tracks "motif-ed" in the first place? In the Dark World, there are very very few themes that have Undertale leitmotifs. Can this be drawn to connect to the "outside help" Spamton received?

The thing that caught me is the phone in his store. Normally I'd just think of it as an insignificant detail, but it bears striking resemblance to the Earthbound Savepoint phone. Earthbound takes place in 199X, It's a well known fact that Toby likes Earthbound, so I wouldn't be surprised if a few of these were thrown in as an homage to it, but only time will tell.

I never thought of "the man who speaks in hands" possibly being reference to a man who makes phone calls. He speaks via the receiver in someone's hands, he speaks in hands. Really good catch, man!

Could Undertale Gaster’s way of speaking in Wingdings be considered “Garbage Text”? It would play along well with how in Deltarune, he’s theorized to be associated with the “Garbage Noise” from the phones.

I got the impression, at least if he is the one who guides you through creating your vessel, that Gaster wanted to connect with people most of all. It would be tragic if he didn't even intend for them to break like they did.

Theory: In entry number 17 Gaster says: "What are you two thinking?"

My theory is that Spamton wants to get "bigger" by literally escaping the game into the real world, OUR world. Jevil, Spamton, Kris and Gaster all know about TP points, choices and how they don't have any. I think the reason why they all act the way they do, is so they can get a taste of control, of freedom from the game. (an example of this would be Kris ripping out their heart)

alright... but, can we talk about how Tasque Manager is aware of Jevil, even referring to the Devilsknife by name? How?

What if Kris experiences everything that the player controls, and acknowledges his lack of control. He then sees Jevil and Spamton who have gone crazy because they recognize their lack of control, and Kris is becoming a new Jevil or Spamton, incredibly powerful, full of craziness and disregard for his reality. That's why he's so scared after the Spamton fight becasue he could become that.

11:40 spamton doesn't fade away, he's still conscious in the item just like jevil, if your inventory is full when you should get the item, he has dialogue, proving he is still very much alive in there

Well, it seems that when the knight (whoever it is) comes into contact with someone, they become self aware of them being a fictional world or prison and loses their mind, like spamton wanted to see above the dark as he says during his quest. At least that's my take on it

16:05 spamton could also be reffering to mike as a 'friend' in a way that he means someone he looks up to, like how little kids (or sometimes adults) might call their favorite cartoon character or stuffed animal thier friend

What murderous intented Kris, uh? They ate the pie with that knife, and there's absolutely no evidence that Kris has any bad motives. Heck they probably cut off the tires just to not go to school on chapter 3, making a fountain to have a good time with their friend Susie (which they made thanks to us mind you) I don't think our goals are that far away from Kris'

I like how Ness's Father is in the background of Spamton's shop

I feel like there's a connection between Metatton and Spamton. Not just Metatton but probably the ghost of the Dummy as well. BIG SHOT has the Metatton Neo and Dummy! leitmotif. Seam also said a lightner is part of the basement robot. In the post-game, you can talk with Metatton's soul and he asked for a piece of entertainment. TV is one of them and also seems like the main theme for Chapter 3

16:22 “hello! Can i speak to G…” Spamton’s middle initial: G.

4:50 You missed a step here - You Will get the Game Over screen -You will get it again -You will almost make it -You will finally pass that damned teacup

Thing is, what about the shadow crystals? Are they fragments of gaster perhaps? Seam says he can purify these crystals, does this mean that we may be able to fuse the 7 crystals? Creating a pure (an unused crystal in the files) or dark version of him?

To put my own theory in as few words as possible: Spamton was either a salesman, or a sentient advert spamming software on a computer/internet - keep in mind Dark Worlds seem to give life to otherwise inanimate objects and even abstract concepts like programs and data - among salesmen (or other marketing software) who wasn't doing great and was desperate, to the point of imitating the Swatch (or another legitimate "website"). We'll have to assume that the Dark World inside the library or at least Spamton as a sentient entity has existed at least since 1997 but the gateway to it has only opened recently, otherwise the older backstories and worldbuilding elements don't make sense. With this in mind, Spamton receives a call from Gaster, giving him a lot of advice and insight into how his world (the dark world representing the internet) works. Strategies, predictions, etc which help Spamton massively. But Spamton, like Jevil, has also had the revelation that he's in a smaller world than Gaster, and most things in it, himself included, are predetermined. When Gaster and the help they provided disappeared, he reverted to his predetermined lack of success. Spamton sees this as him not being in control of his life so, as seen in chapter 2's present, he's trying everything to cut his strings and no longer be enslaved to his fate. At first, he thought the NEO body would set him free, being a direct creation of a Lightener that he thought would allow him to be "bigger" (live in the bigger, lightener world). When he realized this wasn't enough, he realized he needed a soul (a symbol of agency, self and *making your own decisions*), which he tries to take from Kris. To be big, in Spamton's context, means to ascent past the limitations of your fate and your world, which Spamton thought he could achieve by taking a soul. Heaven, as he calls it, is likely an abstract concept that Spamton sees as the worlds above his own, that can look down upon him and can see his strings as well as his fate. Spamton's moment of "lucidity" when he asks for help is basically triggered when he thinks about his fear, which is his fear of the "darkness", the newfound unknown of not knowing what comes next or what resides in the worlds above him.

Notice the use of [hyperlink blocked]; It's almost always as a noun in Spamton's dialogue, as something you can "give", "want" or "obtain" in some manner. To me, I think the word that's blocked is *chaos*. Reason being, if you pay attention to Spamton's dialogue in Weird Route's final boss fight, he claims that the player and Noelle were making [hyperlink blocked] without him, and that they were throwing him away cuz they didn't need it from him anymore. This is the same person that sells you the ring that allows you to fatally injure Berdley, cuz if SnowGrave is not used on Berdley, the game proceeds like normal. Like there is nothing wrong, despite the fact that you just got done gaslighting Noelle into being "stronger" and almost had her at a break point. Her animations even return to normal entirely after this. Spamton seems to know a player who seeks an alternative route wants [hyperlink blocked], aka chaos, and that's the only way so far the player's actions significantly change the narrative. Slight headcanon: I imagine it's [hyperlink blocked] because Spamton is something partially related to the internet, and searching up strange things on a *public* computer, like the library's, probably isn't a good idea, so words like that would be censored, like Spamton's cusswords.

I agree with Mike appearing in Chapter 3, just remember Jevil telling about the Queen once you defeat him through violent means. This proves so far that each secret bosses could be telling about the name of each next antagonists, if Mike happens to be in Chapter 3.

Hey, Swankybox! Here's something I caught during the Stream Reveal, which was kept in the intro to Ch 2! The passage that Berdly read in class, the "Best of times, worst of times" quote, is based on "A Tale of Two Cities." The reason I bring this up, and why I'm freaking out so much about it, is because of the plot synopsis of the story: A French DOCTOR is released from an 18 year imprisonment where he was PRESUMED DEAD and reunites with LONG LOST FAMILY. And this all takes place before and during the French Revolution, aka a civil WAR.

My brain hurts from all the knowledge I’ve just learned about spamton

I watched TetraBitGaming's video on Chapter 1's unused content right before this one, and I noticed something very interesting. In Chapter 1, there is an unused monologue for an unspecified character that is alone in the dark and calling for help, which lines up with Spamton's out-of-place lines.

As soon as I heard Spamton mention your soul I knew he was going to be an important character

This might have already been mentioned, but Frisk did not fall in 201X, Chara did. In the neutral route, examining a calendar in New Home says it's a 201X calendar with a date circled. In the no mercy route, examining that same calendar returns "the day I arrived". We know this "I" is Chara because examining the mirror gives you the message "It's me, Chara."

Reminder that 201X wasn't the year Frisk fell down, but the year Chara fell down! The date is even circled in a calender in New Home.

I really thought the old machine was mettaton neo, the silhouette is similar to mettaton's neo form you can distinct the "hair style" and the shoulder pads without the spikes.

I feel like each secret boss refers to freedom because kris doesn’t truly have freedom, he is controlled by the player

Game Theory: “Who are you?” Swanky: “I’m you, but stronger.”

It’s only been a few days but it feels like the whole fandom already agrees that both spamton and jevil went insane because of gaster

Swanky missed an important detail, spamtom is similar to Kris, when he glitches out he is in control of himself but then goes back to being insane.

SnowGrave route aside, it really does seem like we’re the benevolent pupeteer, and whoever is controlling Kris and made Jevil and Spamton to go insane, Gaster or not, is the main antagonist.

Just gonna say, considering how way back in deltarune c1 Jevil mentioned "the Queen", and now here in c2 Queen is an important character, could the same happen with the "Mike" Spamton mention in c3?

I personally thought Spamton's insanity was caused by a corrupted program.

I've always been curious about that wrong number instance... Someone wanting to speak to G (who we assume is gaster) over the phone. Was it another person reaching out to them for power? Knowing toby it's not just some trivial detail for fun

I noticed something, spamton mentions kromer , during the sans boss fight you health is split between HP and KR which could mean kromer and the colors of spamtons glasses correspond with the colors of HP and KR

Every day that I see a theory and facts about deltarune i convince me even more than toby only wanted to tell us the history of gaster, Undertale, the game that we use as a reference, is not the history of a fallen child, is the introduction of a bigger story that is slowly showing to us

There's a very good Reddit theory that [Hyperlink Redacted] is actually the word "choices", seeing as we are now able to circumvent the fact that our choices don't matter by corrupting other characters.

We all know that the real villain mastermind is... MY MAN NUBERT

0:16 Swanky: Talks about Chapter 2 characters Video: Shows Chapter 1 characters

I appreciate that Deltarune is an actual game, while also preserving the charm of Undertale.

12:28 But Noelle doesn't believe it's "Kris" giving her commands, she knows him from early childhood. That's why she speaks from a voice unlike Kris'.