I definitely understand that you have chosen to chunk down using this method because it’s just extremely fast to kick down and slide your lasso but you definitely could do a little more towards the safety tip with your flip up over and I between your rigging and your working on your eye there pretty hard and when you send the chuck it’s raffing against itself and it’s going to chaff up your rope more… it’s definitely a wicked system that I’ve been using for 36 years myself… I’ve got some 1/4” thick leather rope protection guard’s that I’ve made and I also have always been extremely close with my local firehouse and I use a lot of 4-5’ long sections of old fire hose to protect my ropes… I’m extremely old skool and I do a lot of rope rigging so I am just super crazy and I protect the shit out of my ropes and I’ll make sure I’m being as good as I can be to keep them in fantastic condition…. I’m not really liking that small diameter pulley and I’m probably thinking about a little bigger diameter ceramic eye and I love my slings…. The best knot in tree work is always no knot…LMFFAO! I’m extremely conscious about letting an eye like that chafe as it’s getting loaded up… these ropes aren’t getting any cheaper these days!
Good thoughts man, appreciate you taking the time to share them. I see your point about the flip line being able to come over the top of the spar easily when it is above the rigging. The reason I choose to run it over the rigging is because I don't want it to be trapped under the rigging when it is under load. The lanyard is not my only sporce of life support. I had a climbing line that was up in another part of the tree. And I agree, the running bowline is likely a concentrated point of wear on the rope. Almost all ropes wear out faster near the ends because they're always tied to abrasive branches. Ropes are a wear item in our industry, and I don't mind replacing them every couple of years. It may seem wasteful, but when considering cycles to failure principles and the consequences of rope failure, I find it to be an acceptable balance. Also, I would agree, that block did have a fairly small diameter sheave. I typically use a 4 5/8" sheave with a 5/8" rope for big stuff to get as close to the manufacturer recommended 8:1 ratio as possible. However, on this particular day, we were rigging with someone else's gear.
I want to try this to top a huge but skinny pine tree that's leaning kinda hard and use a neighboring pine to attach the portawrap plus the Omni block near it's top. Would that be safer than to just use negative rigging on itself?
That's a tough question. When span rigging you can develope rope forces that exceed the weight of the piece your rigging. With negative rigging, it's just the piece and hoe far it falls. If it's leaning pretty hard, I would focus mostly on the direction the force is applied to the spar. Maybe set the porta wrap up on a tree way behind the leaning tree so the rope angles over the block apply force directly down the spar 🤷♂️ if you don't have a groundie experienced in running a rope for a span rig, I might not try it in an intense situation like that.
Big difference I thought u put a running bowling at the bottom and you're pulley at the top. I was like damn thought it was going to go wrong sweet though
So the rigging rope runs from the ground through another block off screen to stem underneath log that’s being rigged with a bowline then you tie sling with a block to the piece of wood and attach block to rigging rope
That heavey ass log an the video looks like your right over the house would have my sphincter closed for the season. Trust your equipment, the hardest part for me lol
Lol it's a hard thing to do sometimes! What not I. This video is the hundreds and hundreds of smaller rigs I've tried in other trees to work my way up to this 😅
Most of the par I was on was over a house so span rigging was a way to make gravity pull the piece away from the house rather than the grkundies fighting it with a tag line.
@@zaccheus- Great to offload some of the force into multiple spars, as long as you bear in mind the side-loading component. Sometimes it's worth it, and sometimes it's not.
@samuelluria4744 you're absolutely right also you can multiply forces on the rope pretty fast too if you gound man doesn't understand that he only needs half as many wraps 😅
If you're tied in properly with a climbing rope and a lanyard, it's most appropriate to have your lanyard above the rigging so it doesn't get pinched below the rigging amd trap you ath the top. What you mentioned is still a concern, but not as big of a concern as being stuck at the top in the case if an emergency.
@@zaccheus okay I'm hoping I'm clear on this because I was scared to ask but this question seems to be in the same vein as what I'm wondering. So I can just let it fall if I don't care about the grass underneath?
@Wendy Swain Oh I don't want you to be scared to ask questions, I love questions! I don't like to let things free fall in close proximity to structures. There is often a risk of the piece hitting the ground and bouncing a wrong direction and hitting something it shouldn't. This particular piece would have landed right on the roof for sure if I had just let it fall.
@@zaccheus - First off, can I just ask you what your friends call you? Do people call you Zaccheus, or is your full name just for the name of the channel? I don't want to be ignorant in how I address people...thanks!!😁 I _.MEANT_ to delete that comment, because I realized was being ridiculous...but RU-vid decided to not only delete, but copy it...🤦🏻♂️ But yes, I had been meaning the Running Bowline...I was thinking you want to spin that around another ½-turn, to avoid that extra 8"-12" of rope on rope friction, which doesn't sound like a lot, but between my time in the Navy, a brief stint as a textiles major in community college, and subsequent years of experience, every inch of unnecessary rope-on-rope is an inch closer to cutting itself....
@samuelluria4744 lol, thats just the way it works sometimes 😂 I can definitely understand the value of avoiding rope on rope friction. I seen a running bowline weld itself together with just an inch or two of travel. Obviously melted fibers mean a loss in strength 😅 I definitely could have set this one up better as you mentioned. And to answer your question, most people just call me Zach
@@zaccheus - 10-4 Zach!! Stay safe out there. I'm in a 100' leaning, totally dead Oak tomorrow....gonna hang it off an adjacent tree, ..."I hope"😜...let's hope it's not 92°/94%humidity, like it's been lately...🥵🙏
@samuelluria4744 Thanks Samuel! That sounds like a mighty challenging tree! I hope it goes well and the weather is in your favore. I'm in dead spruces tomorrow 🙄
Hey brother take some advice from a guy that's been climbing for 35 years now always use a Clove Hitch when blocking heavy wood bowlins are fast and easy to tie but the second wrap around the log on your knot makes a big difference and please never use a half hitch the your Bowlin hate when I see guys do that.
@zaccheus when you use a half hitch your putting your ropes across each other at a straight up and down angle and if there's enough weight and motion it can litterly cut the rope into if I was in front of you I have a demonstration that will show you how it can cut the rope into buy can't just trust my 35 years experience seen it happen more times than I can say...The Clove Hitch is much safer cause it's a load bearing knot.
@Chuck Fowler I'd be super interested in seeing such a demonstration. The clove hitch would also have something similar though where the rope leaves the knot right?
@zaccheus you know what just keeping doing the way you do it I guess after 35 years in this bussiness I apparently don't know what I'm talking about you young guys always act like you know everything and upove reproach.
@Chuck Fowler Whoa, I was just asking to see the demonstration you referenced 😟 If everyone did stuff the way it was done by the generation before them, we would all still be using horses and riding around in buggies. Everyone loves to reference how long they've been in the industry, but just because you did something the same way for your entire career does not make it the right way 🤷♂️ I'm still genuinely interested in seeing the demonstration you referenced. If I could see what you're talking about, I might be interested in implementing it. Please forgive me for not just blindly listening to someone on the internet.
