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Spare The Rod? Spoil the Crystal Set - Part 1 

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Ferrite and Ferrite Rod Antennas and their uses for tuned Amplifier Active Antennas and Front ends and for Crystal Set construction projects.

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@jozefbubez6116
@jozefbubez6116 Месяц назад
At the age of nearly 74 I need to have another look at ferrite rods. Back in the 60s when I was new to radio experimentation, a long wire out of doors and a ground to the house plumbing seemed a 'must'. Some years back, using a kit, I was amazed at the reception from a 2-transistor circuit using a ferrite rod but never followed up the idea. If these things are that good, it will save trying to climb trees etc which in my more mature condition might not be a good idea! Thanks for the inspiration and interesting presentation. Cheers!
@Karl63601
@Karl63601 5 лет назад
Another terrific tutorial. Even this old dog is learning some new tricks. Thanks so much.
@mktwatcher
@mktwatcher 5 лет назад
Very glad you continued your X-tal Set experiments using the ferrite core
@mikesmuseum
@mikesmuseum 5 лет назад
I really find this interesting! Put a huge AM loop antenna next to your ferrite rod and you will be amazed what comes in! Perhaps you can do more experimenting with rods, loops, and tuners. Keep up the great work!!!
@vjpanagg2005
@vjpanagg2005 4 года назад
Thanks for your informative videos. Your wild angry image at the beginning this one never fails to make me laugh, likely because of its contrast to your otherwise level headed demeanor. It took me by surprise. Very funny stuff!
@barrymontgomery9860
@barrymontgomery9860 5 лет назад
Love everything you do!!!
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE
@acestudioscouk-Ace-G0ACE 3 года назад
I'd often seen them, now I know something about them. Thanks.
@sonofeloah
@sonofeloah 5 лет назад
I had done some experimenting with ferrite coils with diode set back in the 60s. Did not think to use them as an antenna. Looking forward to part 2.
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
Well with enough gain, you get a transistor radio for your pocket!
@rajesh00ify
@rajesh00ify 5 лет назад
Loved it. Thanks for sharing.
@Cristian-gu1st
@Cristian-gu1st 3 года назад
Don't stop making these tutorials
@wadepatton2433
@wadepatton2433 5 лет назад
In the last couple of years I've learned a little bit about types 43, 52, and 61 circular ferrite cores for making transformers for 1/2 wavelength transmitting antennas. The beauty of such "EFHW" is that it works all harmonics and the main ones will require little to no tuning/matching once the fundamental frequency is set. But of course now I do believe I'd like to build a ferrite rod antenna for 630m, in case activity there picks up (I won't build the TX antenna and other necessaries until I can actually hear some activity). Thanks for these instructional videos on them. 73
@BruceNitroxpro
@BruceNitroxpro 3 года назад
Wade Patton , It will be instructive to have the testing capacity to determine number of turns for these coils. de KQ2E
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 9 месяцев назад
Come late Fall there is plenty of 630m activity at night between 7 and 11PM EST. CW and digital.
@glenngoodale1709
@glenngoodale1709 5 лет назад
NICE brother.. Thanks for sharing.. God Bless
@121Gw-Designs
@121Gw-Designs 4 года назад
Very good work..
@Kangsteri
@Kangsteri Год назад
Explained a lot. Thanks!
@MichaelOfRohan
@MichaelOfRohan Год назад
"America, we've got a country to save!" Me in the middle of the store: SO LETS GETTER TEED OOOOOFFFF
@rvargaspatron
@rvargaspatron 2 года назад
Excellent discussion on ferrite and powered iron rods for AM BCB! Thank you very much for all the information!
@tonychristoph1063
@tonychristoph1063 5 лет назад
thank you very much .. very interesting
@takane151
@takane151 4 года назад
I grew up listening to Howie Carr. My mom loved listening to him!
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
Lots of flavor on old time AM talk radio.
@avcimustafa7052
@avcimustafa7052 Год назад
Very interesting, thanks.
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 Год назад
Glad you enjoyed it. The ferrite rod stuff has long been a field of interest to low frequency experimenters.
@joselu90
@joselu90 5 лет назад
Nice radio
@DubiousEngineering
@DubiousEngineering 3 года назад
Very tempted to make an antenna tuning inductor like yours... it may help my AM radio.... thanks!
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
A loading coil will help any simple radio which uses a wire antenna that is not really resonant in the band.
@southernexposure123
@southernexposure123 9 месяцев назад
A lot of years ago I put a 60 foor long wire on my high dollar stereo. I tuned it to AM stations and alligator clipped a ham radio band VFO to the AM radio antenna. I had a 100 watt short wave listening radio by tuning the variable capacitor on the VFO..
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 9 месяцев назад
Well there you go - dual conversion the external way!
@southernexposure123
@southernexposure123 9 месяцев назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 lol I didn't know that had a decent name.
@migalito1955
@migalito1955 3 месяца назад
I am planning on building SolderSmokes Direct Conversion Receiver that Bill, Pete, & others came up with for a high school project. But, I was given a kid's crystal set recently and I aim to build it for indoor antenna use & don't think it includes in its schematic a resistor or capacitor across where the headphones connect, so I grabbed as a screen shot your schematic that included the coil wound on a ferrite rod. Boy, I had trouble getting my phone to grab the screenshot, but did manage. I also partially watched your video last night where you augment the crystal set with a tuned circuit using a transistor which I also want to give a go. Likely, I will try this additional scheme added to the crystal set prior to starting the direct conversion receiver. Why, one might ask. Well by education I am a theorectical math guy thus the deeper an understanding the better & I suspect doing both gives one a deeper understanding.
@andrewandrosow4797
@andrewandrosow4797 10 месяцев назад
Hello! Good video! It`s very important to have an air gap between winds: for example when a diameter of wire is 0.5mm - the step can be 1mm or more. The ideal case - a basket winding. I made in past a coil from ethernet cable (one wire from twisted pair). Outer diameter was 80mm, length was roughly 250mm. The capacitor wasn`t exists. I measured wideband of this open LC circuit - and calculated a Quality factor. It was 900!. THe resonance frequency was 3100KHz.
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 10 месяцев назад
Woo! At that point we start to talk Vernier's!
@channelsixtysix066
@channelsixtysix066 2 года назад
Your chanel has just appeared on my RU-vid feed. I subscribed almost immediately. 👍 I'm an inactive full-call VK5xx (South Australia).
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 2 года назад
Careful - don't binge. OK Binge - it's fine it's Covid - approved in Victoria.
@vyaceslavexrx9yu317
@vyaceslavexrx9yu317 3 года назад
Nice job. Like from Russia, 73
@MrBigShotFancyPants
@MrBigShotFancyPants Год назад
It seems we harvested a D-cell battery center rod in boy scouts in 1963 and slid it in/out of a winding around a correct sized cardboard tube, for tuning.. ? Short wire antenna out side my bedroom window.
@chadcastagana9181
@chadcastagana9181 4 года назад
5:05 Permeability is the property of ferromagnetic material's ability to concentrate magnetic lines of flux. The higher the "Al" the higher the inductance per unit of number of turns over length
@KB4QAA
@KB4QAA 5 лет назад
Super!
@fredriko.zachrisson9711
@fredriko.zachrisson9711 5 лет назад
I am new at this stuff, and i have really benefitted from your video series, but i have some problem with my signal amplifier, and impedance matching. I didnt see any, but have you made a video where you go through some of that?
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
It is very popular to stay with 50 Ohms when you design RF circuits. This is by convention more than reality of what the world or real devices really look like, impedance wise. With conventional devices used in conventional grounded cathode, emitter or source, the impedance the device works best with varies from a few hundred ohms to a few thousand ohms. So we almost always have to do impedance matching. So with a tuned circuit which has a very high impedance, it may work very well into an FET or Tube grid. But with a bipolar transistor or a diode detector, we almost always have to transform down. Thus we tap the coil (ferrite or air wound) or use an RF transformer in the form of another winding with perhaps 1/4 to 1/10th the number of turns.
@vivek-1318
@vivek-1318 Год назад
Awesome
@bernardlash4169
@bernardlash4169 8 месяцев назад
Nice
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 7 месяцев назад
Thanks for watching the ferrite rod videos. They make kitchen table radios work!
@wadepatton2433
@wadepatton2433 5 лет назад
How about an Rx antenna for 630 and 2200 meter bands? Does one rod type work better down lower than the others--seems all the specs talk about highest frequencies, rather than the lowest ones. 136kHz and 472kHz are in the new ham lowest bands. Maybe use a magnetic loop for TX.
@010silviu
@010silviu 5 лет назад
Nice ! Give a tray to a AM demodulation made with on transistor (Ge) without biasing and 100k in collector ... sorry I cant post or attach a schematic but I think you know very well. All the best regards to you ! 73 !
@user-qc6is4cv1z
@user-qc6is4cv1z 5 месяцев назад
ok very nice
@truthpopup
@truthpopup Год назад
How about using a MOSFET source follower as an impedance-matching device between the LC tuned circuit and the detector? A MOSFET has an extremely high input impedance, so it can be connected across the entire LC circuit without loading it, and the full voltage across the LC circuit will be available across the source resistor, to drive the detector.
@shyammohabir8283
@shyammohabir8283 3 года назад
You were listening to the famous (Paper Boy) Howie Carr 680AM WRKO in Boston
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
Yes a legend!
@nor4277
@nor4277 5 лет назад
After you wrap would,you consider dipping the,ferrite antenna in melted wax?
@BobbyOfEarth
@BobbyOfEarth 4 года назад
After I finished stripping all 175 strands of the Litz wire, 😊 I wrapped a piece of double sided sticky tape around the ferrite rod to allow the Litz wire to adhere and remain tight.
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
Ha - yes delicate work! Sticky tape - clever approach your highness.
@johnwest7993
@johnwest7993 Год назад
I note that for the clarity of other viewers you call the magnetic field both the 'H' field and the 'B' field, and that they are both the same thing.
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 Год назад
I will say that they are proportional to each other but not exactly the same.
@gameyord7182
@gameyord7182 2 года назад
I FINALLY FOUND THIS VIDEO SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT. Oh and can i use only one condenser to tune both coils?
@fakharvoice9215
@fakharvoice9215 3 года назад
Love 4rm P A K I S T A N >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
@hassanrasool3977
@hassanrasool3977 4 года назад
Cool
@nor4277
@nor4277 5 лет назад
I found ferrite bar blanks are pretty cheap on ebay ,I think I paid about a dollar for mine its A little fatter then the one the radio came with .
@Jomatsch
@Jomatsch 2 года назад
You do a very good job of instructing others. Did I hear a cat in the background?
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 2 года назад
Yes that is my elderly cat Bella the Needy!
@Jomatsch
@Jomatsch 2 года назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 My cat George wasn't very helpful when I had 50 ft. of wire laid on the floor. Nor, was he helpful when he laid across my forearm when I was trying to solder. His 20# could immobilize my arm.
@vintageadventureswithrobert
@vintageadventureswithrobert 3 года назад
I have some interesting data for you is that you can find about how to wind honeycomb coils and diamond weave coils and basket weave coils by looking in the 1920's magazine Popular radio and Radio news and maybe Shortwave craft. Also I do not know if the website is still around but there is a website called Playthings of the past. You might want to check it out sometime.
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
That sounds like a real art technique you have resurrected! Another lost gem -found.
@zeber127
@zeber127 3 года назад
Прекрасный результат, на простой приемник слышно станции из Америки
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
Сборка простых радиоприемников - хорошее зимнее хобби.
@markhodgson2348
@markhodgson2348 7 месяцев назад
Project moses has been forgotten
@luisadrianomeusparabens6863
@luisadrianomeusparabens6863 3 года назад
Muito top
@channelsixtysix066
@channelsixtysix066 2 года назад
Litz-wire and tinsel wire, are brilliant at what they do, but the stuff of nightmares to work with.
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 2 года назад
Lots of tricks and myths about asprin, solder pots and the like!
@Karl63601
@Karl63601 5 лет назад
A quick question: If you do snap a ferrite rod (clean break) can it be repaired with epoxy or super glue, and be almost "as good as new"?
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 5 лет назад
Yes. In part 2 I will show how to do this. Tape over the repaired break with heavy packing tape or Kapton for axial strength.
@Karl63601
@Karl63601 5 лет назад
Thanks, I'll be looking forward to part two.
@jaroslavdolezal7941
@jaroslavdolezal7941 5 лет назад
No
@user-dh1kq3eh8q
@user-dh1kq3eh8q 4 года назад
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@Michellandau
@Michellandau 2 года назад
I just started building my first crystal radio. I got the kit from United nuclear. This video is interesting but too advanced for me. Is there another video that explains these concepts for the absolute beginner? I don't have room in my apartment for a 30-foot antenna. Will these rod antennas work with any crystal radio set? What's the simplest type of antenna I can build if I don't have room for the 30-foot wire?
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 2 года назад
OK I get it Michael. Find or make a frame out of a couple of 1 X 6 6 ft Center Notched planks and make a big X that sits upright on the floor. Now wind 6 turns of #14 wire around it spaced 1/2 inch between turns and connect a 365 pF Variable Capacitor to tune it. Now wind a single turn as the secondary to feed the diode and bypass cap and headphones. Experiment wit the position and size of the secondary loop. This beast will hear stations.
@Michellandau
@Michellandau 2 года назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 Thank you for your reply, but I'm so new to this hobby that it's difficult for me to visualize what you are talking about. Is there a book for beginners that you could recommend for me? This is my very first crystal radio set, and I've never built an antenna before, so it's difficult for me to understand how it all fits together.
@roberthorseman7432
@roberthorseman7432 3 года назад
Is that a roberts radio at 23;02.
@psnpacific
@psnpacific 3 года назад
👍
@zachreyhelmberger894
@zachreyhelmberger894 2 года назад
Please post a link to the eBay ferrites. I am seeing rods that are going for $20 or more a piece!?
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 2 года назад
And higher. Even the 2 dollar 365 pF Variable capacitors are going for over 25 dollars. The prices will vary depending on demand, the material, origin, and length. They can easily be glued with superglue to make longer rods if you wrap them with clear packing tape before winding. Yes a good quality long Type 61 Rod is going to be expensive from a reseller. And all EBay sellers are basically resellers. I like these little guys to get started. www.ebay.com/itm/274726941594?hash=item3ff700739a:g:MJUAAOSwL6la3A8h
@garygullikson6349
@garygullikson6349 Год назад
Does anybody make a modern "Ferry Loopstick" nowadays?
@astongoldsmith2396
@astongoldsmith2396 3 года назад
All your videos are great BUT what you can listen in US we here in Europe cannot .
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
A lot of the classic shortwave and AM are going away all over the world as we get more and more digital radio.
@uncleruckus4060
@uncleruckus4060 3 года назад
Hello I have question I connect my antenna directly to variable capacitor which then goes to diode versus using antenna loop to couple to inductor I noticed on the antenna direct the capacitance increases by 30% I.e. stations on 600 khz and should be at end of dial are now on middle of dial Any comments please
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
The antenna has significant capacitance to ground and this is on the order of 100 pF. So in effect it is lowering the tuning range of the radio. It is just like you were adding a capacitor across the tuning variable capacitor. The tuning range will decrease as will the selectivity and that is why this is discouraged. It is better to add a real capacitor or add turns to lower tuning range!
@uncleruckus4060
@uncleruckus4060 3 года назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 thanks sir reply Well I did math coil 283 uH and capacitor 40 to 320 pf so tuning should be 530 khz to 1490 khz and when I connected the aerial to capacitor leg which goes to diode ....600 khz station was in middle of my dial 0 to 100. The standard basic design shows attaching aerial to cap/coil and when I attached aerial/ground to a 10 turn loop and mutually induct thru the coil 600khz was 90 on dial right about where it should be. I've read a lot in past few weeks re crystal radios and never have I've seen someone mention that effect other than damping . I think it worth mentioning since many people start with the basic design I.e. no tuner or loose coupling or mutual inductance or whatever you wish to call it and connect aerial to coil/cap
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
@@uncleruckus4060 There are so many variable factors involved in even the simplest tuned circuit, when actually connected to antenna and load. Then bring in form material and diameter, proximity effects, diameter and wire spacing and size, and it gets silly to attempt to model or predict exact tuning with any accuracy. So we get in the ballpark and adjust!
@uncleruckus4060
@uncleruckus4060 3 года назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 That's why I'll try to do I got a recommendation from RU-vid a few weeks ago for crystal radio video And I've been intrigued ever since When I was a kid it was an oatmeal box and some wire Some of these papers I've read online look like they were written for electrical engineers Volkswagen vs Lamborghini 😆 Thanks reply
@jojofixer
@jojofixer 3 года назад
Will a magnet change the Q especially on type -61?
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 3 года назад
I have not tried this, but I am sure that there would be some effect.
@jojofixer
@jojofixer 3 года назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 Permanently I've hear?
@anotherdave5107
@anotherdave5107 5 лет назад
do you create these illustrations or they from a book?
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 5 лет назад
I do schematics and some drawings in an illustration program called Deneba Canvas. Some generic come from other sites.
@markhodgson2348
@markhodgson2348 7 месяцев назад
Humanity is so much more........but you still don't use the crystal radio array
@nor4277
@nor4277 5 лет назад
Have you ever replaced a ferrite antenna in a tube radio I going to have to ,the original one shattered ,I bought a new ferrite rod what cheap ,and a roll of magnetic wire,If anyone has done this and has any input I would be greatly appreciate it
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 5 лет назад
Fortunately the easy part is done. The LO coil is designed to track 455 kHz lower than the antenna tuning. So most rods are a simple single winding. A more clever design would have a tapped coil or multiple windings. I hope you have a picture or a manual to see the wind type and position. Otherwise just wind say 60 turns of ordinary enameled wire on and give it a try. If too few turns adding capacitance will bring noise up. Once you find the sweet spot where tracking is good with the trimmers, remove the wire and replace it with the same length of litz wire and secure.
@nor4277
@nor4277 5 лет назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 thank you for your help ,and what is Litz wire., I am going to try the 60 turns of magnetic wire,first.thanks
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 5 лет назад
@@nor4277 Ron, Litz wire is a special lay up of many smaller diameter insulated wires inside one jacket and wrapped with a synthetic cloth. It fights the skin effect and makes the Q higher in the coil. Find a plastic or cardboard tube a bit larger than the rod and do all winding experimentation on it. Slip it onto the rod when you want to test. Faster and less chance breaking the rod!
@nor4277
@nor4277 5 лет назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 thanks for the info .it's helpful
@nor4277
@nor4277 5 лет назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 do you no what number Lutz wire you use ,I looked it up on ebay ,so many types
@jilubhai5255
@jilubhai5255 3 года назад
Hello sir I'm Mohammed from India I need philips prestige 556 transistor radio service manual pls help me sir tq
@erin19030
@erin19030 5 лет назад
Parts and materials are so hard to find in todays loss of the brick and mortar stores are gone.
@sonofeloah
@sonofeloah 5 лет назад
Go online to ebay and amazon. Plenty of parts there and cheap too.
@chadcastagana9181
@chadcastagana9181 4 года назад
You mean hardware stores?
@radioguy19510
@radioguy19510 5 лет назад
Please don't use the term "tuning the antenna" what you are doing is matching the radio to the lead in of the antenna... You "tune" the antenna when you cut it to the frequency that you are going to use it for.
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 5 лет назад
Technically you are absolutely correct. We do use a lot of technically incorrect words in radio. For instance Antenna Tuners used to be called Matchboxes or Matchits.
@radioguy19510
@radioguy19510 5 лет назад
@@MIKROWAVE1 I fair enough. I love your videos so when I watch from now on and you reference "tuning" an antenna I will try not to pull my hair out.
@DK-sg3oe
@DK-sg3oe Год назад
Sir can I have ur no xd u teach my son
@pufango4059
@pufango4059 2 года назад
What is the point of this video ! Ferrite rods have been used in crystal for ever .
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 2 года назад
Entertainment and maybe some fun building - and who knows? Somebody might learn something.
@weedeater64
@weedeater64 10 месяцев назад
Where do get one of those big ferrite rods from?
@MIKROWAVE1
@MIKROWAVE1 10 месяцев назад
Oh they are out there. And you can superglue 2 or 3 together and tightly wrap them. But you will pay. www.ebay.com/itm/160888243409
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