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@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 2 месяца назад
📲 The app I use to learn languages: tinyurl.com/5a6hw3fx 🆓 My 10 FREE secrets to language learning: tinyurl.com/5bxamak6 ❓Do you agree with Merrill Swain’s Output hypothesis? Let me know in the comments!
@user-sz6vl1lc6i
@user-sz6vl1lc6i 2 месяца назад
Hello I am Yemeni and I have students I want to guide them on your channel to benefit from it but I hope that you make Arabic translation for your videos because even AI translation is sometimes wrong from your mouth مرحبا أنا يمني ولدي طلاب أريد أن أدلهم على قناتك ليستفيدوا منها ولاكن أتمن أن تجعل ترجمة عربية لفيديوهاتك لأن حتى ترجمة AI أحياناً تكون خاطئة من فظك
@cherubin7th
@cherubin7th 2 месяца назад
Like with AI: GPT-4 learned all by acquiring, not by output using self supervised learning. But ChatGPT used output to fine-tune the final behavior using reinforcement learning. And it makes sense, the brain needs data to model a lot of correlations, this is much more efficient. But to get really good and find true causality you need to manipulate the world and see the outcomes.
@rairaidj1
@rairaidj1 2 месяца назад
This is an amazing analogy
@properpolymath2097
@properpolymath2097 2 месяца назад
Humans are not computers.
@EkodaT
@EkodaT 17 дней назад
This is not quite right. Language models are given text (input) and are trained to predict the next word (output). The model then gets updated based on the result of it’s output.
@Sorgao
@Sorgao 2 месяца назад
5 years ago my english is just so bad , and i watched your videos which really inspire me . thanks steve, you still look young and energetic !
@lucoot
@lucoot 2 месяца назад
Im a believer in the "noticing hypothesis." Attempting a conversation quickly reveals things I can't say, thought I could say, and want to say. Following the conversation I immediately study and get input targeting those concepts and it sticks much better than things learned in a vacuum. BUT, I don't need to do this every day, just as a periodic test of my current abilities.
@giacomogalli2448
@giacomogalli2448 2 месяца назад
Exactly, as a direct form of feedback
@mintberrycrunch91
@mintberrycrunch91 2 месяца назад
Does anyone else have anxiety about listening to your target language because you dont want to not understand most of it? I feel like thats what holds me back sometimes.
@beomgyubestboi26
@beomgyubestboi26 2 месяца назад
I get bored quickly and stop listening:(
@firewall8095
@firewall8095 2 месяца назад
Something I have been doing that works super well is importing Ted talks onto LingQ, and watching it repetitively until I understand everything they're saying. It works super well and with every video you do this to the better your listening comprehension gets
@anires1195
@anires1195 2 месяца назад
such great advice, thank you. My dad pressured me to read out loud to "prove" my knowledge when i'm trying to learn new words. Wasn't helpful.
@brownsugar3802
@brownsugar3802 2 месяца назад
Same, my comprehension is way better than my speaking, its like they expect me to be native level in 2 years
@RPnajal
@RPnajal 2 месяца назад
But reading aloud (with accurate pronunciation) when remembering new words can help you listen later. If you think you don't want to do something, it becomes an affective filter and the study method becomes ineffective 😢
@Jlp4202tK
@Jlp4202tK 2 месяца назад
Reading aloud helps with listening
@Milothedoggy
@Milothedoggy 2 месяца назад
I think reading out loud a lot still helps “muscle memory” of speaking
@quantus5875
@quantus5875 2 месяца назад
Reading aloud and speaking are really different things. Reading aloud is really just a way of reading, if you want to think of it that way.
@Daveaaaaa
@Daveaaaaa 2 месяца назад
This video is so valuable. I particularly like the natural order hypothesis. It indicates that you can't absorb every element of a text straight away. The complicated parts you should observe then pass over them to let them absorb in the future. I usually sweat over a transcription and want to force everything to memory before I go onto another source.
@annarboriter
@annarboriter 2 месяца назад
One only needs to observe children's acquisition of language whereas it is clear that they understand vastly more before they even begin speaking. I'll also add that proper pronunciation only occurs when one can hear the correct version in one's head before opening one's mouth
@jackbombay1423
@jackbombay1423 2 месяца назад
I'm trying to test this input theory on myself, by trying to learn Russian and French only by watching content (and reading stories). I know for a fact that the theory works on some level, because this is how I truly learned English. But since taking English lessons was mandatory in my country, I already had a good 'foundation' in grammar and basic vocabulary before switching to just watching content (which I did just because I loved watching horror movies and I decided to start watching all of them in their original language). So, I wanted to see if you can really pick up the grammar just by watching the content and understanding it. I've been doing this experiment for the last year and a half, and I can tell you that it really works. I'm not sure if it will work for every aspect of the language, but I can really assure you that with every iteration I do from material I've already covered before, I pick up something new in terms of grammar, more detailed than before. And as Steve says here, what I do is I ask ChatGPT to write me a story with that particular 'grammar' pattern (let's say how the conditional is in Russian) to see if my guess was right, and so far it's working wonderfully. But now, another question arises: is this method the 'quickest' one to achieve fluency? I'm still not fluent, and I see no downsides to this method because either by reading or watching content, I'm having fun and/or learning something apart from the language itself. But probably people have different expectations, fed by con-artists or scam polyglots, that you can actually learn a language in 3 months.
@Jordan-Ramses
@Jordan-Ramses 2 месяца назад
Yeah. I agree with you. It's not complicated. 1) have fun 2) learn vocabulary 3) real language immersion. The immersion seemed much less useful before I had a good vocabulary base. Studying grammar and stressing out is not productive.
@jackbombay1423
@jackbombay1423 2 месяца назад
@@Jordan-Ramses Great!
@icysamurai1485
@icysamurai1485 2 месяца назад
Fantastic video The main problem with the “I can understand but not speak” thing is that I’ve discovered this means “I can’t understand nor speak”. EVERY person I’ve met who said this about their Spanish have failed to understand me when I have spoken to them. So that’s another argument against the output hypothesis: people don’t tell the truth about how well they understand. They will say they can understand, but really cannot. It seems that by the time they can understand fluently they should be able to speak well
@shortyrags
@shortyrags 2 месяца назад
Depends on what level you’re speaking at ultimately. People who say they can understand but not speak or usually meaning that they can get by understanding but not respond. They won’t be able to track complicated conversations or even simple conversations but using native expressions and phonetics. I can understand my parents’ mother tongue well because I heard it all the time, but I struggle with speaking since I never spoke back in the language
@Simonesanderss
@Simonesanderss 2 месяца назад
Well I can understand very well, I listen to podcasts every single day and watch all the videos on RU-vid and series without subtitles. I think I can understand everything because for the last couple of years I have been listening podcasts for hours, I always listen to podcasts when I am driving and doing the house chores. And all my textbooks are in English so I have no problem at all understanding what it’s being said or what it’s written. But because I never speak I am really lacking on that field. The thing is that it’s very challenging to improve one’s speaking skills without talking with a native, I could speak to myself but then how would I know if I am making mistakes? Or not using the correct tenses or expressions? 😓 So even though that may be true for most cases there are always exceptions.
@NeonBeeCat
@NeonBeeCat 2 месяца назад
For me it's just the dialect difference, I mean when I was younger I couldn't understand British English lol
@codyscott8687
@codyscott8687 2 месяца назад
A bit of an echo here, but my personal assessment is that I rely on input way more than output, but I live in an English only environment, so speaking opportunities have to be sought out and are not as easily accessible as books and other media. I do however, notice that I am able to understand more than what I can reproduce. So I know the words are there, I just have to strengthen my ability to recall by seeking out more speaking opportunities and creating a need for myself to use those words. I also started improving way faster, when I stopped caring as much about grammar and just accepting that the mistakes were going to happen
@yngknj
@yngknj Месяц назад
So good, bro. I’m starting to that too. Just accepting the mistakes/ grammar and go on with speaking. Eventually it’ll get better.
@KahinAhmed72
@KahinAhmed72 2 месяца назад
Hey Steve, I wanted to say thank you for not only making this channel but also creating more opporuntities to help learners improve. I've seen you speak French with some native French folk and I gotta say, it's inspring. You taught me to become more laid back when it came to language learning, such as focusing on the meaning and context of a word or a whole sentence and not worrying about forgetting vocabulary. I've spent 5 years and a half casually learning French and I've made some pretty good progress. I know more than 5,000 words of vocab and it's gotten more easier to read and write in the language. Reading the "Ultimate Spider-Man" comic series by Bendis and Bagley in French helped me a ton with vocab and even some slang words since a lot of characters speak informally. I'm still not perfect though, I have a lot of grammar rules to learn in order to be confident in writing and reading without using a translator. But I'll eventually improve as long as I'm consistent. I just wanted to figuratively give my flowers to you. So thanks, man!
@hoxo4471
@hoxo4471 2 месяца назад
Bien jouer, j'espère que tu es fier de toi car le francais n'est pas une langue simple a apprendre surtout que l'on parle mal notre propre langue que l'on déforme beaucoup de mots etc...
@maxducoudray
@maxducoudray 2 месяца назад
@@hoxo4471 Comme tous les langues. 🙂
@maxducoudray
@maxducoudray 2 месяца назад
Great tip on reading comics. What was your resource for reading Marvel comics in French.
@KahinAhmed72
@KahinAhmed72 2 месяца назад
@@hoxo4471 Je suis pas fier de moi en ce moment mais je suis reconnaissant que j’avais l’opportunité à continuer apprendre la langue grâce à l’Internet (L’Internet est tellement utile!).
@KahinAhmed72
@KahinAhmed72 2 месяца назад
@@hoxo4471 Je suis pas fier de moi en ce moment mais je suis reconnaissant que j’avais l’opportunité à continuer apprendre la langue grâce à l’Internet puisque il est tellement utile !
@hephaistion3
@hephaistion3 2 месяца назад
You are one of the greatest teachers of all time.
@denisemoore8536
@denisemoore8536 2 месяца назад
Steve your such a master of your craft - I SO needed to hear this. Thanks!!!
@Ja-jt1ym
@Ja-jt1ym 2 месяца назад
Merci Steve. Cela fait bien longtemps que je suis votre chaîne RU-vid, depuis 2014 je crois. Vous produisez du contenu de haute qualité, comme toujours. Vous et Luca Lampariello m'avez beaucoup aidé dans mon apprentissage des langues étrangères.
@javierramirez8711
@javierramirez8711 2 месяца назад
Thanks Mr. Kaufmann for the thorough assessment on the subject. Am identified with the challenges you describe whilst I was "formally" studying grammar, as well as with my own learning curve when "thrown out" and exposed to another language and culture in a foreign country. Amazing how fast you can learn by "doing" and leaving aside the fear/shame of making mistakes. Best regards from an Argentine whom lived in Denmark, The Netherlands, Panama (although it does not count much for the purpose of the comment) and now presently in Brazil.
@davidbrisbane7206
@davidbrisbane7206 2 месяца назад
Krashen's natural order of acquisition hypothesis is *not* inconsistent with grammar and vocabulary learning. The hypothesis can be used to "guide" the order and speed at which vocabulary and grammar are taught.
@HoV326
@HoV326 2 месяца назад
For me, with Spanish, speaking came first. I struggle to understand it when other people speak it to me because not everyone speaks like me or each other in terms of tone, speed, accent, etc. Comprehension is significantly harder for me because I have to tune my ears custom to each individual person and figure out what they're saying because everyone has their own way of speaking. It's also why I could understand my mom and uncle and certain cousins when they speak Spanish. But a stranger that I've never spoken to? It suddenly sounds foreign to me again
@agustinrosaleschase
@agustinrosaleschase 2 месяца назад
As someone who had the same struggle and overcame it, I encourage you to do what this man suggests about consuming a lot of content. If you watch RU-vid in Spanish from allover, find a way to watch ticktock a in Spanish, etc. with lots of exposure and attention to trying to understand the content, your ears will grow stronger at identifying different sounds and understanding different accents
@HoV326
@HoV326 2 месяца назад
@@agustinrosaleschase that's what I'm trying to do more these days. I'm trying to work on that weakness by listening to Spanish speaking videos and I would say it's definitely helping. I've learned that Mexican Spanish is a lot easier for me to understand than Argentinian Spanish. Costa Rican Spanish is pretty easy too for me
@quantus5875
@quantus5875 2 месяца назад
That's just a normal part of language learning. The fact that you can understand someone who speaks clearly and slowly and have problems with someone who speaks quickly and has a strange accent -- just means you need to get better at comprehending the language -- more input and you'll get faster and better at understanding people that speak quickly.
@mirae9163
@mirae9163 2 месяца назад
How can you speak if you don't understand?
@rc....
@rc.... 2 месяца назад
Exactly! Babies learned by listening first.
@quantus5875
@quantus5875 2 месяца назад
Great video Steve!! Yes, a big fan of input-based learning or I guess "acquisition" and all of your videos. And love your statement on how grammar can be an extra layer of complication. I agree that you should have a lot of input before trying to speak. I'm probably at about ~250 hours in with Portuguese (with probably a vocab of 4.5K+ and finally working on speaking. Yes, it's a much easier when you can understand 90+% percent of what a native speaker is saying if they speak slowly. In another 4-5 months I'm working on having a vocab of hopefully ~5.5K to 6K and also hope to be able to speak at a basic level. I'm at the exciting point in my language journey where I can watch "native" content with subtitles and understand ~80+% of the content for most videos. Some complex videos still give me problems. But yeah -- nice to be at a point where language acquisition and vocab acquisition is really fun.
@anitamillonig5968
@anitamillonig5968 2 месяца назад
Are you familiar with Swain’s article “the output hypothesis and beyond”? There she takes on a sociocultural viewpoint which is emphasising that meaning is created between people (not the message in itself matters as in i+1 but the relationship between the communication partners and the way a message is interpreted in accordance with the relationship). and also that verbalising / putting into words sth that others are listening to helps you think. Collaborative learning is described as a powerful tool where the cognitive and the social are combined.
@hakankarapnar1859
@hakankarapnar1859 2 месяца назад
I second your opinion that you mentioned that speaking is not the same as communication. Once, I spoke to a trader on the phone for business. my duty was to be a translator between two companies. I was able to say what my company said to me but I couldn't understand the other person clearly. this led to repetitive and ineffective conversation. The reason might be that i wasn't fully focused during the conversation because I am not a translator and had not prepared much.
@dilandilo3708
@dilandilo3708 2 месяца назад
Hi Steve, when you talk about Middle Eastern languages, could you make a video about the Kurdish language?
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 2 месяца назад
Unfortunately I don't speak Kurdish but maybe one day.
@yngknj
@yngknj Месяц назад
Your videos are the best, Steve 🫶🏼
@brownjack3958
@brownjack3958 2 месяца назад
Absolutely right,the language is a tool for communication,it's not necessary to be exactly right to use,if we can understand each other,it's ok.
@nickblooruk
@nickblooruk 2 месяца назад
I am using comprehensible input, but my speaking is stronger than listening... I find when I speak, the words are there... but often when I hear the same words spoken to me, I don't understand them, and have to translate... (which takes time). Obviously listening to lots of input helps, but still, my speaking is stronger.
@tohaason
@tohaason 2 месяца назад
Strange how different people are.. but also so important to be aware of. I'm completely the opposite, always been (in every language I have any level of understanding of). I understand something like a hundred times more than I can output. When I want to speak I can't remember what word I should use, but when I hear the word - e.g. by asking - I'm actually most of the time intimately familiar with it and have zero issues understanding it when I hear it. The only reason that's not a problem for me in English or in my native language is that my vocabulary is *huge* in those languages, so whatever I want to say I always have tons of alternative ways of saying it. So the "problem" is hidden for those two languages.
@politefan8141
@politefan8141 2 месяца назад
I find that understanding grammar helps my reading comprehension which in turn helps me build vocabulary. When reading something in our native language we take for granted the importance of sentence structure. With just vocabulary I still won’t know what is the direct subject or whether the subject is active or passive, or even when an action is taking place.
@peterwilliams942
@peterwilliams942 10 дней назад
I think that as humans our minds crave logic, understanding and explanation but for language learning we need to suppress this desire and allow our brains to naturally and subconsciously acquire a language.
@Laurentdu59
@Laurentdu59 2 месяца назад
Hi Steve, I love your work! In your graphics in this video you misspelled the word acquisition, the first i is missing (ACQUSITION), I don't know if you can fix it but anyway... Also, what a funny example, the word "parlâtes". "Parlâmes" and "parlâtes", and ANY first and second person plural in the Passé Simple of ANY verb in French are only used in jest by French kids when they first see the Passé Simple conjugation in class. And later, very rarely to sound like Louis XIV or one of his contemporaries, for comedic effect. In fact, when I, a native speaker, see a Passé Simple conjugation table, that's exactly what I feel like doing. And of course, the comedic effect can be great if you are mixing it with modern times. "Je descendis du TGV et Monsieur le Marquis de Kaufmann m'attendait devant la gare dans son carrosse. Nous mangeâmes un taco, puis nous partîmes vers son château. Nous allâmes sur Amazon et téléchargeâmes une chanson de Françoise Hardy. Nous vous vîmes au supermarché et vous nous racontâtes vos aventures. Nous en rîmes". No this is becoming insane, but it could be hilarious if it was a sketch by French comedians "Les Inconnus". Of course you might encounter such a verb form while reading Molière or Jean Racine, 17th century drama, but otherwise no. I am not going to explain the uses of the passé simple here, but if anything the third persons, singular and plural, and to a lesser extent the first person singular are the only forms that one will encounter while reading French literature of the last 200 years. So it's almost as if you had put the word "spake" up on the screen, which today would be considered archaic. Un Français prof de français à Washington State qui vous admire beaucoup. Laurent 😊
@darthbakercamelia
@darthbakercamelia 2 месяца назад
That's why I waited 8 months of study before trying to speak with a japanese friend. Problem is she was so stunned she wouldn't even reply in japanese. 😂
@davidbrisbane7206
@davidbrisbane7206 2 месяца назад
Clearly, you have to understand the language, at least a little, before you can speak it, albeit no doubt badly. Speaking a language badly or well gives you feedback, which is a form of input, and you can improve your language knowledge in a virtuous circle by speaking. I did this as a kid as I basically couldn't write or read well until I left school and by that I mean I could spell my name until I was eight years old. Now, you have to ask yourself if speaking motivates you more to continue learning the language than just input without speaking. For me, if I couldn't speak the language I'd find it pointless to learn it. Why? Today we can instantly translate languages in real-time. So, if we just want to know what something means in another language, we can just use apps to do that, but if we want to communicate with human beings face to face, then speaking is the only way to go. We are all different and different things will work for different people. I wouldn't get hung up on theories of language learning and acquisition, as these theories aren't proven, at least to a statistical level that all practitioners would accept one theory over another because with people unlike physics say, there are hundreds of variables that influence outcomes, whereas as physics, there are just a few highly controlled variables to worry about.
@quantus5875
@quantus5875 2 месяца назад
If you've watched Steve's other videos -- he doesn't advocate against speaking -- he just says you should initially focus on input-based learning as the primary method of learning a language. The real question is how much input before you try to learn speaking, i.e. how good should your understanding be before trying to speak? Note: As a child you acquired the language through "listening" before you started speaking - it's just as adults we have the advantage of being able to read as an input method at the start, where kids learn by listening and then speaking and later learn to read which then further improves their command of the language. Also -- one important thing you said -- everyone is different -- so not every language learning method will work for everyone -- however after watching many, many videos on the subject I am a big fan of input-based language learning, and to me the practical aspect of it is get a ton of input build up a ~4K-5K vocab and speaking will then be so much easier IMO. And vocab is king -- even after you start speaking -- use input (reading and listening to content) to continue to build your vocab -- vocab is king if you want to get really good with a language. A native speaker (high school level) will have a vocab of maybe around 15-18K words (although this vocab number depends on the language).
@davidbrisbane7206
@davidbrisbane7206 2 месяца назад
@@quantus5875 I find on balance that Steve Kaufmann and Steve Krashen have negative thoughts against learning via speaking. I agree that people shouldn't be forced to speak if they are not ready, but I've heard a lot of migrants trying to speak English as soon as they can. It sounds awful at first, but I admire their efforts and they do learn the language quickly this way. Another thing that Steve doesn't really mention is that you do really need to study grammar to become polished in a language in anY reasonable amount of time.
@naos451
@naos451 2 месяца назад
日本の「いらすとや」がカナダのスティーブさんの動画で活用されていることに衝撃を受けました。
@tgas4899
@tgas4899 2 месяца назад
Mr. Steve I encounter difficulty in effectively articulating my thoughts and ideas in English, yet I find greater ease in conveying myself in my mother tongue, Filipino, when engaging with English literature. Could you kindly offer any suggestions to enhance my proficiency in speaking? My primary obstacle stems from the absence of peers with whom I can engage in conversation. While I endeavor to hone my skills through solitary practice sessions in front of a mirror, I am cognizant of the indispensable nature of face-to-face interactions for improvement, a realization that has become increasingly evident to me. Despite my limited financial means as a member of a lower-income household, I am eager to participate in community activities, albeit with certain constraints.
@olegglukhov8552
@olegglukhov8552 2 месяца назад
Dear Steve, many thanks indeed
@ysteinbentzen3060
@ysteinbentzen3060 2 месяца назад
So true. Remember my younger sister did not start to speak until she became 6 years old and since then never stopped 😏
@tohaason
@tohaason 2 месяца назад
A friend's child with a father and mother who spoke two different languages (and both used only their native language when speaking to the child) didn't speak at all until he was four years old, and then he suddenly spoke both languages very well. Though he had no idea what language he spoke.. the only way to get him to switch was to continue talking to him in the language you wanted him to use (in my case, my native language - I couldn't speak the other one). Then he switched. But asking him to speak this or that language drew a complete blank. On the other hand I also know other bi- or tri-lingual children who started speaking as early as any uni-lingual child.
@SyntekkTeam
@SyntekkTeam 2 месяца назад
This information is great, but I'm honestly having trouble watching through the video because the text prompts are too much to read while Steve is speaking so I'm constantly pausing IMO text prompts either need to be minimal and cover the same words he's saying, or the text prompts need to be shown during a period where he's not speaking so that I have time to read Anyway, always love these videos, just wanted to give my 2 cents
@Jordan-Ramses
@Jordan-Ramses 2 месяца назад
I'll summarize. Have fun. Learn vocabulary. Listen to the real language. Ez pz. If it's not 1 of those 3 things don't do it. In the first 3 months don't do it if it's not fun. Quitting is the number 1 reason for failure. Have fun. Don't quit.
@wesselpretorius4345
@wesselpretorius4345 2 месяца назад
Steve, thank you so much for the vids! When will you add Zulu to linQ? I appreciate all you do steve
@rodrigodf234
@rodrigodf234 2 месяца назад
I’m convinced that speaking does work but you have to have good feedback on your output - even better if it’s immediate feedback.
@agatastaniak7459
@agatastaniak7459 2 месяца назад
It has to be correct and frequent feedback. Like kids that get corrected by adults even 100 times per 1 hour and this is why they learn fast. There is no magic to it. Just frequent ongoing correction and repetititon.
@rodrigodf234
@rodrigodf234 2 месяца назад
@@agatastaniak7459 Right?! And about things the child wants to express at that precise moment! Not about just random memorized phrases like "What's your name?". Frequent feedback and valuable repetition! I'd say that, for learning a foreign language, signaling mistakes is even better than correcting. An example: if someone says "I goed to the park yesterday" and you know they've already learned or heard of the word "went", you may tell them "change the second word of your sentence"... I think it'll stick harder if they have to think by themselves and then come up with the word (or the correct structure etc). Guided feedback is excellent!
@johnnacke4134
@johnnacke4134 2 месяца назад
Steve, Is LingQ good for Beginners in Japanese? ( lesson 3 in Genki)
@michaelabercrombie7698
@michaelabercrombie7698 2 месяца назад
That's the hardest part for me is understanding what people are saying. I've listened to alot of material and still struggling.
@quantus5875
@quantus5875 2 месяца назад
Just need to build up your vocab and get more input. It will come -- you just need to spend more time with the language.
@TheMastermind729
@TheMastermind729 2 месяца назад
What helped me was watching lower level material without subtitles. Watching cartoons aimed at 10-13 year olds without subtitles really helped with my spanish comprehension.
@quantus5875
@quantus5875 2 месяца назад
@@TheMastermind729 That is a really good suggestion. I like watching a lot of stuff with subtitles, but yes, I think you do need to watch some things without subtitles to learn how to understand what people are saying. I think with subtitles is primarily to increase your vocab (with a secondary listening goal) and yes actively listening to easier material without subtitles to really try and get the sounds (so primary goal is to understand what people are saying). I'm at the point I can understand 95+% of what someone is saying if they speak clearly and a little slowly. I estimate my vocab is in the 4K to 5K range right now -- and I'm starting to get much better at understanding people when they are speaking at native speed.
@maxducoudray
@maxducoudray 2 месяца назад
Steve so upbeat in the video and so grumpy in the thumbnail. 😄
@hcm9999
@hcm9999 2 месяца назад
Question: how can you measure your own knowledge? How do you know how much you know about a certain subject like a foreign language for example? You can take language profiency tests but you need to pay for them, and they are usually offered only a few times a year. There may be free tests, quizzes, exams on the internet, but the quality of these tests may be suspicious. Even if you could get high scores on these tests, that may mean very little. I have been studying Swedish for the past 3 years every day for an hour, mostly by translating song lyrics. I keep track of the number of songs I can translate in one hour. Right now on average I can translate 8 songs per hour. Even though I am mostly reviewing songs that I had translated before, there are always words that I don't remember or I am not sure and I want to check in the dictionary. My goal is to become faster and faster to a point that I can read entire texts without consulting the dictionary. But there should be a better way to test or measure my own knowledge. I am against using ANKI or flashcards to learn a language. But at the same time, tests like flashcards seem to be the only way to measure your knowledge of a certain subject. How can you measure your knowledge without using tests, quizzes or exams?
@lyndonbailey3965
@lyndonbailey3965 2 месяца назад
Hi steve how long did it take you to acquire cases in slavic languages? They seem like they would be very late acquired as they are somewhat unfamiliar in english
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 2 месяца назад
Takes a long time and they get better with use and then regress with less use.
@educatethechildren
@educatethechildren 2 месяца назад
Very true about speaking not = communicating. I have been fortunate to be able to travel a fair amount in my life, and I often learn a bit of the main language of whatever country I am going to. Don’t know how many times I have said the equivalent of “hello” and the other person has responded with “klsdjflkdsjflksjfd” (as far as I knew!) because they thought, or hoped, I had a higher level of their language than I actually did. 😂
@Shilalalaln
@Shilalalaln 2 месяца назад
I hope u can try to learn kurdish language we have so many accents just like arabic and the decide which one was easier for u to learn 😃
@Paul-vy8ox
@Paul-vy8ox 2 месяца назад
Steve, great video. How much weight would you give to the use of passive listening?
@quantus5875
@quantus5875 2 месяца назад
If Steve doesn't respond -- what I've heard (from many videos) is active listening is much, much better than passive listening. You'll get a little out of passive listening, but don't expect too much. Active listening is much better.
@Jordan-Ramses
@Jordan-Ramses 2 месяца назад
I agree completely. I hated it in highschool when they made us learn grammar. I already spoke university level English when i was 8 years old and i didn't know any dumb grammar rules. I read Lord of the Rings in 3rd grade. Several times. Plus a lot of the rules they taught us were dead language that literally nobody uses. It might as well have been latin. I'm learning Japanese and I'm using the input method but i figured it out myself. Just have fun and don't study grammar. Vocabulary first. Then immersion. Also fk Kanji. There are fluent speakers who can't read Kanji so I'm not worrying about it.
@markkusiipola
@markkusiipola 2 месяца назад
Reading is good, but if the spoken everyday used language is different from the (formal) written language, reading is maybe not so useful. This is the case of Finnish. Finding books and texts written in the spoken language is not so easy (in Finnish).
@quantus5875
@quantus5875 2 месяца назад
Comic books in Finnish? Initially half of my content in Portuguese was kid's books and the other half were easy comic books. Simpler ones to start (in Brazilian there is a comic series with characters like Monica and Cascao that are kind of like the Archie characters in the U.S. that are aimed more at around the 6-10-year-old reading level), as comic books like Spiderman (Homen Aranha), Daredevil (Demolidor) and Superman (Super Homen) are actually fairly difficult -- written IMO for 12+ year olds. I can read these now, although still don't know maybe 5-10% of the words. I also bought a book in Portuguese that had ~50 dialogues (cooking, shopping, talking about vacations, going to the doctor, talking about a favorite movie, talking about foods that people like, playing a sport, etc.) a book I've probably read like 5 times -- and I know every single word in that dialogue book. Really, really helped as the vocab from that book was all speaking vocab. Also reading still helps a ton, especially easier reading material (comprehensible input) -- IMO you actually have to read fairly advanced material to acquire words that won't help you with speaking, and if you do pick up some words that you're only likely to see in a book, IMO no harm done. One thing you will need to spend some time on eventually are idioms and slang -- as these definitely help when conversing and understanding natives. People have different advice on when you should spend time learning slang. You can get a lot of idioms through reading and listening. I tend to think of most "idioms" like a word in a sense just that an idiom is usually a few words used together in a certain way (that usually can't be translated literally by just knowing the words themselves). I tend to think of learning "idioms" as learning vocab.
@diegosantosmoto
@diegosantosmoto 2 месяца назад
Great videos. I agree totally
@kalidouly2308
@kalidouly2308 2 месяца назад
Merci ❤️
@thiagoxaviersoutricolor8260
@thiagoxaviersoutricolor8260 2 месяца назад
Hello Steve how's it's going? Good weekend Sir bye
@tomkelly3122
@tomkelly3122 2 месяца назад
Would you recommend watching movies/tv shows/podcasts without subtitles?
@hebertgomesdesouza1355
@hebertgomesdesouza1355 2 месяца назад
legal, vou assistir mais videos do teu canal.
@tompalfi1262
@tompalfi1262 2 месяца назад
I am just starting to learn Thai which is apparently one of the more difficult languages to ‘acquire’ due to the 5 tones, some unique diphthongs, the need to roll your r’s (which I can’t currently do) and a large number of non-Roman characters comprising their alphabet. Just wondering what is the best way of learning to read when all of the characters are initially unrecognisable and hence meaningless? In particular, do you begin by 1st learning/memorising the new characters or do you begin by using the romanticised version…… or perhaps some other way? I am using the Ling app since Thai is not currently available on LingQ. Any advice gratefully accepted.
@dorota1887
@dorota1887 2 месяца назад
I feel like people mostly pressure themselves to speak, rather than they are pressured by others. Hence the popularity and naive belief in the courses that offer instant communication and speaking skills. And if you, as a teacher, don’t promise and then (which is only natural) don’t deliver those instant solutions, you might simply end up on the losing side.
@filibertocaceresbetancur-yn7mq
@filibertocaceresbetancur-yn7mq 2 месяца назад
I think in today First languages is English Chinese Germany because Germany peoples prediction since 30 years ago on climate change about highest temperature radiation
@NathanRoeslein
@NathanRoeslein Месяц назад
I noticed a little bit that you have been slightly very slightly stumbling into different languages like I’m pretty sure around when you were talking about french input that you almost stumbled into German am I right? Tell me if I’m wrong thx for the video have a good day🎉👍
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist Месяц назад
I am not aware of doing this and don't really understand what you mean.
@habeng7208
@habeng7208 2 месяца назад
I disagree with the idea that language learning and acquisition are disconnected. You can only acquire a language by learning it, by being exposed to it, by scrutinising how it compares to your own language and by practicing it. He might have been trying to make the point that language teaching in formal education is not effective at enabling students to acquire a language. But formal education is not the only type of learning that is available. You can learn online or by moving to a different country or using other methods of learning. But in order to acquire a language, you must learn in a way that is effective for you. I don’t think there’s any way around it 🤔
@habeng7208
@habeng7208 2 месяца назад
BTW “Comprehensible Input” is also a type of learning. You learn and make new distinctions (or reinforce previous learnings) every time you ’consume’ any kind of comprehensible input 🧐
@habeng7208
@habeng7208 2 месяца назад
And the expectation that your efforts will be scrutinised is not always counterproductive. It depends on who is scrutinising and what kind of feedback they give. If they give constructive feedback, it can actually motivate you to learn and be rewarded with good feedback 👍
@user-um6yl7yo1t
@user-um6yl7yo1t 2 месяца назад
Good. Day😽❤️👌🤞
@saidihamza8702
@saidihamza8702 2 месяца назад
Good evening steve how can I being native speaker without efforts 😂
@samp1117
@samp1117 2 месяца назад
I guess if you want to wait 5 years before speaking
@user-no4ij8lx6w
@user-no4ij8lx6w 20 дней назад
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@tullochgorum6323
@tullochgorum6323 Месяц назад
This is a false dichotomy - input and output reinforce each other. We need both. The so-called "silent period" in natural language acquisition is a myth. Right from the cradle, infants engage proactively with language output with babbling and gesture through single words, simplified grammar and eventually more adult communication. This is simply a fact, and this process of experimental output and instant adult feedback is integral to natural language acquisition. "Jimmy go potty". "Are you going to the toilet? OK - I'll wait". This is how we learn language and any other skill - though experiment and feedback.
@joedwyer3297
@joedwyer3297 Месяц назад
What
@disdonc6012
@disdonc6012 Месяц назад
I hate all these mini-cuts all the time when he's talking, it's so distressing!
@DannyArcher337
@DannyArcher337 2 месяца назад
Respectfully I disagree, learning a language is all about confidence. You get confidence from knowing the rules and reading the textbook, the way it has always been done. The no grammer learning style doesnt work if unless you are a zero stress actual baby.
@Jordan-Ramses
@Jordan-Ramses 2 месяца назад
You talk about the importance of grammar rules and your grammar is all wrong. You also sound very pompous and arrogant. Maybe that is your intention. If not that is a mistake. Communication like this in English will not go well for you. You should listen to real English instead of studying your Chinese textbook. You sound like a Chinese diplomat.
@user-ht4sv2ur1s
@user-ht4sv2ur1s 2 месяца назад
Instead of comparing Turkish with Persian and Arabic, tell me that Norwegians, Swedes and Germans use futhark and the runic alphabet. It is in your interest to make history, culture and geography lie. It doesn't suit you to talk about the facts.
@Thelinguist
@Thelinguist 2 месяца назад
I have no idea what you are talking about but Turkic speaking people, Farsi speaking and Arabic speaking had a great deal of influence on each other and on the evolution of the the countries of Western Asia for 2,000 years. These are facts.
@user-ht4sv2ur1s
@user-ht4sv2ur1s 2 месяца назад
​@@Thelinguist You are truly a very cunning person. You will deal with linguistics and you will also play the three monkeys and tell me that you don't understand what I'm talking about. You can fool your ignorant audience here, but not me. First of all, what does West Asia mean? Is Europe a continent? A region cannot become a continent by bargaining. Can peninsulas become continents? How can a region with a connection of thousands of kilometers to the rest of the continent become a continent? Tectonically, Europe and Asia are a single landmass. You tell so many lies, historically, geographically, anthropologically, to distort the facts. Geographically, the directions continue as east to west, west to east, south to north, north to south and intermediate directions. When it comes to Turkey, does Asia suddenly end or not continue towards the west? If there is a place called Western Asia, this is Europe itself. We say North America and South America, right? So, both of them end with America, but why does the name change when it comes to Asia, Europe and the rest of the continent? Shouldn't we say West Asia and East Asia? Phoenicians and Akkadians, who gave Europe its name. They used this term to mean ereb, erebu, which means the direction where the sun sets. The Greeks also used the term Asia to mean the direction where the sun rises. They have never used these terms to describe a continent. Then, under the influence of your sick imperialist, colonialist, historical hostility towards other nations, discriminatory, racist and Christian bigotry, you created artificial borders and drew borders with the rest of Asia. The pioneers of this cultural imperialism are the Germans and the French. They are doing their best to distort European history. Turks are also one of the European nations. It has nothing in common with either Persians or Arabs. There is neither blood relation nor language similarity. There are 7000 Arabic words in Spanish and not even 5000 in Turkish. But in reality, there are more than 600 thousand words in Turkish and we use only 100-120 thousand of them. You don't even know how many years the Turks have been in these lands. We lived in the Khazaria region 2000 years ago. The lie that Turks are Central Asian is made up by imperialists like you. The real homeland of the Turks is the Khazaria region in current European Russia. That's why we are relatives with Finns, Hungarians, Bulgarians and Tatars, because we lived in the same place. We are not related to Arabs, Persians, Kurds or anything like that, but you can be if you want. This channel of yours serves imperialist ideas. Its purpose is to make up ignorant lies about Turks. I can argue with you about anything. The number of real Turks living in Turkey is only 8 percent. Saying "Turkey" is one thing, saying only Turks live in Turkey is another. Turks are the least numerous nation in Turkey. Stop calling Europe a continent. Don't you ever look at the world map? All the remaining continents are separated by seas, but not Europe. Moreover, the lie that Europe is a continent is not a very old belief, but a lie made up later. As we approached modern times, this border became more evident. Do we have to accept the terms you define or specify? I also say that Europe is West Asia and I have solid evidence for this. what's wrong with you? You don't even need evidence on this issue and even discussing it is complete nonsense. All continents are separated by seas, but when it comes to Europe, first you use mountains as an excuse, then when the mountains are not enough, you use lakes, and when the lakes are not enough, you use seas and rivers as an excuse to divide the continent into two. Isn't all these excuses a bit too much to push the limits of our minds? We cannot call Europe a continent just because you like it. Your history is full of lies. Now take your imperialist language, English, and go discuss these nonsense with the people living in your former colonies and with the self-deceived people with imperialist thoughts like you who applaud you here. If Europe were a continent, there would be no mountain range called the Alpine Himalayan Orogeny System. In fact, what separates the continents from each other is not the seas with an average depth of 3000 meters, but the tectonic plates with a depth of 300 kilometers. And geographically, the Anatolian peninsula is on the same tectonic plate as Europe, but there is no Arabia and the Mesopotamia region in the south of Anatolia. go look on google. And also Türkiye is one thing, the Anatolian peninsula is another. There are no borders between the countries in the south and east of Turkey and the Anatolian peninsula. Type Anatolian Peninsula into Google and you will understand. This is like Russia being divided into two. Turkey is surrounded by European countries on 4 sides and is located at the same longitude with many European countries, including Norway and Finland. How can you use the term West Asia so ignorantly? Many European countries with the same longitude as Türkiye should then be in West Asia. Do the directions suddenly end? Asia comes and suddenly ends in Turkey, right? Is Europe another planet? If Turkey has a border with Asia, doesn't Europe have one? Are the eastern borders of Europe hanging in the air like a sausage? Doesn't it touch Asia? It's complete nonsense wherever you look. Because this situation stems from your liar, your dislike of hearing the truth, your sick imperialist and colonialist spirit, your belief that you are superior to other nations, your belief that the center of the world is Europe, and your bigotry. When I think of Europe, I don't think of many miserable countries in the Balkans and the East. Only a few rich countries come to my mind when I think of Europe. Türkiye has been a country with European culture, not West Asian culture, for centuries. Modern Turkey is a European country located in Europe with all its institutions and organizations, that is, economic, military, legal, sports, art, politics, education and its entire state structure. Anatolia is the third land where Roman and Greek culture is richest. After Italy and Greece. Moreover, Türkiye is a country close to the Black Sea, the Caucasus and the Urals, which are the homelands of Europeans. But your only purpose in establishing this channel is to distort the historical facts about the Turks in those German genes. By the way, most of the Turks you see in Turkey are not Turks. There is no dark-skinned Turk. If Turks were Asian, they wouldn't be blonde. I can argue with you about anything, old man. You found the square here empty and you keep firing blanks into the air with the rifle in your hand. Come and duel with me. Let's fight with you on everything. I won't let you lie about the Turks here, unless you ban me, you coward. I am from the Black Sea. My family and relatives are white-skinned and most of them are blonde. We have a much more European appearance than many Europeans. West Asia, right? Come on, you ignorant man.
@user-hs3tv7lx6r
@user-hs3tv7lx6r 2 месяца назад
If you worked in an English cram school with packed and scheduled sillabubs to meet, you would realize that natural acquisition of a language is a myth in such a working environment. That's what happens in my class. The kids taught by English native speakers can't catch up with the tight lessons arranged for daily learning and have obviously worse academic performance on the scheduled tests based on the textbooks. On the contrary, the kids with strict Taiwanese teachers are more self-aware in learning the language, and they get better grades and show more confidence and accuracy in using the language.
@tohaason
@tohaason 2 месяца назад
If you could re-phrase that comment a bit.. it's very hard to understand what on earth you're talking about.
@user-hs3tv7lx6r
@user-hs3tv7lx6r 2 месяца назад
@@tohaason That's because you have no idea how ridiculous English cram schools are in Taiwan. Taiwanese English teachers make more contribution in helping kids systemize their English learning than most native English speakers.
@tohaason
@tohaason 2 месяца назад
@@user-hs3tv7lx6r No, it's literally because I couldn't make sense of what you wrote. If you could rephrase a bit..
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