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The final operation on the special cutters for roughing the segments.

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@nebojsailic99
@nebojsailic99 5 лет назад
You are superstar. I would spend a years working with you for free,just to have a piece of your experience. Great job👌
@thomaslamora1679
@thomaslamora1679 6 лет назад
I am fascinated and mesmerized watching this. Just amazing to watch something so complex be created seemingly easily and accurately.
@Guzziv7Sport
@Guzziv7Sport 6 лет назад
American ingenuity and craftsmanship at its best. Thanks peter for taking the time to share your knowledge and the excellent video
@bigdaddy7670
@bigdaddy7670 5 лет назад
Picasso produces another masterpiece. Nice mounting fixture you made for holding the cutter!! I like the step over each round insert has. Excellent engineering work on the cutter.
@Cmtb125
@Cmtb125 Год назад
Your videos have made an impact on my machining, and my life. Thank You for taking your time to create these master pieces.. Anyone that is in the machining world, will understand the infinte amount of fine detail and highly skilled trade that we have been blessed to become a part of. Creation is key
@noahbarrow7979
@noahbarrow7979 4 года назад
Just absolutely breathtaking. A true inspiration to someone like myself who is always keen on learning more about machining. Sending positive vibes from NYC!!!
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 4 года назад
Thanks Noah! NYC👍💪🇺🇸!
@daveanderson2316
@daveanderson2316 6 лет назад
Thank you for your time and effort Peter. Your videos are very well done, don't change a thing.
@bigbattenberg
@bigbattenberg 5 лет назад
Amazing video as always. Great comments. Funny is that our cat really like soft speaking voices and your videos are perfect! She is usually fast asleep within 10 min. or so. So, you are valued by both human and pet!
@Th3_ENGINE3R
@Th3_ENGINE3R 4 года назад
I could watch these videos all day long. Great stuff!
@aly-tek7190
@aly-tek7190 6 лет назад
Awesome work Peter :) Will you show the cutter in action once finished please :D
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
I may have some video clips of it running. I will check.
@jonathankowalczyk5435
@jonathankowalczyk5435 6 лет назад
Fantastic!! You can really see the skill in your work!
@specforged5651
@specforged5651 2 года назад
This stuff is absolutely incredible. Don’t get me wrong, I love my little Bridgeport and Monarch, but it’s amazing the profiles and shapes that are possible with a machine like this. Also, I really appreciate the explanation and knowledge you share. Means a lot to a hobby/newer “machinist” like myself. Keep up the great work! New subscriber for sure!
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin
@MakinSumthinFromNuthin 6 лет назад
Peter, you are amazing....like watching NASA type work being done. Thanks for sharing
@chuckphilpot7756
@chuckphilpot7756 6 лет назад
Makin Sumthin From Nuthin NASA type work? Lmao
@xenonram
@xenonram 5 лет назад
@Sxt NASA does all sorts of different work. Most of the work Peter does he has to hold tolerances just as tight as NASA.
@justinmoritz6543
@justinmoritz6543 3 года назад
@@xenonram In fact, Peter has said in a different video that he's MADE stuff for NASA.
@okelloraymond2115
@okelloraymond2115 5 лет назад
a great video, great work and great skill....i would really love to see that cutter in action
@Mcfryguy5555
@Mcfryguy5555 6 лет назад
Now I want to see the tool run. Thanks for sharing! Love the videos.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
I may have some video clips. If so I will post one on Instagram.
@williamhoward8319
@williamhoward8319 5 лет назад
i did some machining in the navy and worked for day &NIGHT HEATING AND AIR AS A MECHANIC MAINTAINING SEAM WELDERS AND PUNCH PRESSES AND PRES BREAKS FOR 8 YEARS I RETIRED AFTER 21 YEARS WORKING FOE A LIMESTONE QUARY
@pieterbotes8938
@pieterbotes8938 5 лет назад
Very nice. I can see that this took some serious programming!
@DRrandomman22
@DRrandomman22 6 лет назад
Awesome, great demonstration of the machines capabilities
@arnljotseem8794
@arnljotseem8794 6 лет назад
You do amazing work Peter, and you are really good at explaining what you want to do, and the process to get there. Being a one-man operation you have some very interesting projects, and you probably get these because people know that you are good at what you do. I also think your Mazak is an amazing machine. It is definitively a lathe, but it is a mill as well. Like some of those manual lathes with a milling post. Cool stuff, and keep it up. From Norway: Thanks.
@craigs5212
@craigs5212 6 лет назад
Peter, thanks for the really nice videos. I am always amazed at what you can make these cool machines do. Sure makes my CNC'd J-head Bridgeport seem like a stone age ax. Craig
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
The very machine I started on.
@romgerrun
@romgerrun 6 лет назад
Awesome work as always. thank you to take the time to share it with us
@nash0427
@nash0427 6 лет назад
Peter, beautiful job! Thanks for sharing.
@masjr5270
@masjr5270 4 года назад
Beautiful work and design!
@thondupandrugtsang
@thondupandrugtsang 6 лет назад
I'm no machinist but it's fascinating to watch these amazing machines
@williamhoward8319
@williamhoward8319 5 лет назад
these new machines just facinate me with all they do they did nor exist to my knowledge years ago
@rizdalegend
@rizdalegend 6 лет назад
I'm glad I found your channel last year, and even more happy to see your subs increase! As always, concise, professional, and streamlined!
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
Thanks Aaron; last year this time I think I only had about 500-600 subs.
@larrymatsumoto7730
@larrymatsumoto7730 6 лет назад
Your work is outstanding, great job
@blob_87
@blob_87 6 лет назад
Seriously impressive.
@metalmogul4691
@metalmogul4691 5 лет назад
Once again just amazing.
@JonesAndGriesmann
@JonesAndGriesmann 6 лет назад
WOW incredible work to see. Thank you for the video.
@basharalngar1567
@basharalngar1567 4 года назад
I liked what you've done
@anonymousgeorge4321
@anonymousgeorge4321 6 лет назад
Beautiful work. Thanks for sharing.
@jtschemenauer9077
@jtschemenauer9077 6 лет назад
That is some beautiful tooling.
@drummerhammar
@drummerhammar 6 лет назад
Once again great work, thanks for sharing!
@TomMakeHere
@TomMakeHere 5 лет назад
Beautiful! Great work
@63256325N
@63256325N 6 лет назад
This is probably the wrong term to use but that's one pretty tool! A job well done. Thanks for the video.
@rupert5390
@rupert5390 6 лет назад
fantastic video - your channel is amazing - who needs sandvik - just make your own.
@danb5721
@danb5721 5 лет назад
Amazing work peter
@PaulSteMarie
@PaulSteMarie 5 лет назад
Finish on that is absolutely gorgeous. I'd love to see the tool in use.
@craigwalker3256
@craigwalker3256 3 года назад
Gee I really like your videos thanks!!
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 3 года назад
Thanks Craig!👍🖖
@bluedeath996
@bluedeath996 6 лет назад
Add an ND filter to your hero6 it will fix a lot of the blowout, and add a little extra protection as well. A polarising filter would reduce reflections too.
@flashpointrecycling
@flashpointrecycling 6 лет назад
Peter, with the round inserts staggered at three levels can you show us an example of the tool marks it leaves? Beautiful tool! Thanks
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
In the previous video there is a picture in a picture that shows the parts. It shows the surface it leaves. Remember this is a roughing tool so it leaves a scallop surface.
@ollinboardcompany8206
@ollinboardcompany8206 6 лет назад
beautiful work!
@mamoshimamoshian9078
@mamoshimamoshian9078 5 лет назад
Beautiful Job well done....:)
@ianpendlebury3704
@ianpendlebury3704 6 лет назад
Beautiful result. This is probably a stupid question, but if you don't ask, you don't learn! Why are the inserts on a spiral pattern around the cutter body?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
The cut width is .915 wide. The inserts are 10 mm in diameter. In order to cut that width the inserts have to be staggered. The cutter has 8 inserts but is really a two flute cutter.
@Jeralddoerr
@Jeralddoerr 6 лет назад
I'm not a pro but I'd also like to add that this also makes the cut per tooth less work on each tooth per revolution.. kinda like offset teeth on all types of saw blades.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
Daniel Gilbert I think what he is referring to is the profile shape of each tooth. What you are referring to is the set of the teeth on a saw to make the kerf wider than the back of the blade. I have bought table saw blades where one tooth cuts to one side the next tooth cuts in the middle and the next to the other side. This is similar to what this cutter is doing. There are two inserts that cut toward the end face. The next two cut half way up in the middle. The next set half more. The last set cut at the upper face toward the shank. So 8 inserts in two sets of 4. Or two spiral flutes with 4 inserts each.
@Jeralddoerr
@Jeralddoerr 6 лет назад
Daniel Gilbert no....... no.. no.. think about it... take look at a circular saw blade... every tooth is offset.. 1 , 2, 3, over and over so that when you feed in the material the next tooth doesn't have to do so much work... I'm not saying he designed the tool this way for that reason but as a resolute his tool/machine absolutely benefits. The more teeth on your cutter the more horse power your machine needs to complete a revolution.
@Jeralddoerr
@Jeralddoerr 6 лет назад
Daniel Gilbert ... wow great job... you don't feel comfortable talking about something so you "lol" it off? It is what it is... there's not a lot of factors....
@jacobfalk4827
@jacobfalk4827 2 года назад
Very complex part. And your tool lengths were all almost perfect, with barely any chatter. You make it look easy! What CAM do you use?
@salaparicio8568
@salaparicio8568 6 лет назад
Nice video and thank you for sharing.
@ipadize
@ipadize 5 лет назад
for the threading you could put a can full of oil in the machine and everytime you want to tap just dip the tool in the can and there is new oil on it :)
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 5 лет назад
What if you had to tap holes in the horizontal mode? I have used a wire brush to remove shavings off a tool. Just stop the spindle bury it in the brush reverse at slow speed while reversing the spindle. I have also thought but never tried it. To change to a tool with a Allen wrench and use it to remove screws and move them in a fixture. But like I say I haven’t tried this.
@allancnc
@allancnc 2 года назад
Nice tool Peter, what material is it, please? In the Hurco machines you can get a software-option where many different seats for inserts can be made, both milling and turning tools, really clever thought.
@bluehandsvideo
@bluehandsvideo 6 лет назад
Great video! I'm really enjoying your work. If you're only using one camera to get all those angles, then my hat's off to you! That's a ton of video editing to achieve your style!!!! I'm in love with this machine! Thanks!!!!
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
Thanks bluehandsvideo; Yes there is just one camera. I means I have to stop move the camera and start the program a lot. Fortunately on a CNC machine this inst to difficult to do with the single block function key.
@bluehandsvideo
@bluehandsvideo 6 лет назад
Dang! I know exactly how much work that is! Way more than I've been willing to do! LOL I'm only running mach3 and I don't trust the feed hold at all on it!! Since you're doing multiples of the same part, you can run each part with a different camera position and then do all the work on the computer. But.....knowing just how much grief and time are involved in the editing end of these vids, sometimes it's a lot easier to get shorter clips that are more specific and then splice them. I'll end up letting my camera run for the duration or until I know I've gotten the final tool paths. It can take quite awhile to whittle 2+hrs of vid down to 10min. lol Thank you for the time/effort you're putting into your vids! :)
@allanmorgan4976
@allanmorgan4976 5 лет назад
Awsome love your work👍
@TrPrecisionMachining
@TrPrecisionMachining 6 лет назад
very good work
@user-ct5hk8py7v
@user-ct5hk8py7v 6 лет назад
love it... epic job
@prototype3a
@prototype3a 6 лет назад
I know you just made that beautiful enclosure for your GoPro but you should check out the Sony RX0. It's about the same size as a GoPro but it has a vastly superior sensor in it. I have a RX0 that I've played with a lot and I think if they make a mk2, it could be really amazing.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
I will check into that. I like the build quality of the Hero6 over the Hero4. I’m not sure yet if it’s better than the Hero 4 camera.
@helicopterjohns
@helicopterjohns 6 лет назад
Nice Work! Thanks for sharing.
@user-kq4xc4bg9c
@user-kq4xc4bg9c 5 лет назад
Good job, I liked it.
@jeffhankins6616
@jeffhankins6616 6 лет назад
Very nice work...
@blacksupra10
@blacksupra10 6 лет назад
such excellent videos.
@nubz96
@nubz96 5 лет назад
Truly amazing
@drichard12
@drichard12 6 лет назад
Another great video.
@samuelrathbone9096
@samuelrathbone9096 6 лет назад
You are amazing man
@astafzciba
@astafzciba 5 лет назад
I would be great if you can try with hardening
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 5 лет назад
The material is heat treated. It just not real hard. Probably around 43rc. The existing cutters have machined thousands of parts no problem. Heat treating to a harder state really isn’t necessary.
@Fischer977
@Fischer977 6 лет назад
Wow! So nice!
@thewho333
@thewho333 6 лет назад
I really enjoy watching your videos, thanks for sharing! Since the GoPro cameras really don't do a good job with the high frame rates could you please skip the slow motion parts? It might just be me but I find myself loosing interest when there is a "blurry" slowmo clip.
@Fr1day-RT
@Fr1day-RT 6 лет назад
Very cool. I've been looking forward to this since I watched the first one. Could you show a shot of the finished slot/groove on the part please.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
If you rewatch the previous video. In a spot I show a picture in a picture in the upper right of the video. Those are the parts I rough with these cutters.
@Fr1day-RT
@Fr1day-RT 6 лет назад
You did indeed I missed it the first time. Great videos. You do a lot of interesting stuff that I don't see elsewhere on youtube. Also that machine of yours is very cool.
@CapeCodCNC
@CapeCodCNC 6 лет назад
Very nice!
@ligius3
@ligius3 6 лет назад
At around 7:00, the shot seems underexposed because there is a bright pattern at the left, which messes the camera metering. You can either switch to spot/center metering (if available) or find a way to darken that side. The GoPro tends to focus in the center, so the shot should be framed such that the background does not sit right at the center. For the "high-speed" shots either there isn't enough lighting or the lights are pulsating. Thank you for the videos and the R&D topics.
@roronoazoro9228
@roronoazoro9228 10 месяцев назад
Do you have video of these tool in action?
@waynep343
@waynep343 6 лет назад
as for the lighting.. Abom got a ring lamp from somebody for his vertical mill.. fits in an existing hole. i wonder if a battery powered LED ring lamp could be fastened to your spindle face.. perhaps with different rows of Leds aimed in different directions.. with the switch ability to change the lighting pattern.. heck might be able to fab that up in plastic.. right in your own shop.. one thing.. you would need to test several LED colors.. to come out with an assortment that create normal white full spectrum light.. so its not such a single spectrum of light.. i realize this video is several months old..
@kristianSilva95
@kristianSilva95 6 лет назад
Great video with some quality machine work as always! Have you got any big projects on the horizon?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
There is a up coming job out of Inconel 718 150 ksi (very tough material to machine) that is rather complicated. Not a real large part (about 4" dia. stock x 19.5 long) but its somewhat involved as far as milling/turning goes. There are seven parts to make.
@kristianSilva95
@kristianSilva95 6 лет назад
I look forward to seeing videos of it
@HP_rep_mek
@HP_rep_mek 6 лет назад
So nice!
@Sicktrickintuner
@Sicktrickintuner 6 лет назад
That is pretty sweet, love lit all, just wished I had a machine like that.
@Paulster2
@Paulster2 6 лет назад
When you were talking about the GoPro6 focusing, it looks like it's focusing on the background, not on the tool and work. This would make the work look terrible. At least this is what it looks like to me ... great video :o)
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
Thanks Paulster2; Yes I wish there was more control over the focusing options (Maybe there is and I haven't learned how). It would be nice in their GoPro app on the I-Pad to be able to touch the screen where you want the focus point. Something like some of the new cameras do with their touch screens.
@userwl2850
@userwl2850 6 лет назад
Beautiful. What steel was it made from and was it heat treated?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
Thanks userwl2850. These cutters were machined from commercial heat treated 4340 steel. That would make the hardness around 34-38 Rc. The first cutters I also made out of the same material and they have held up real well.
@Molb0rg
@Molb0rg 6 лет назад
nice video )
@brandontscheschlog
@brandontscheschlog 6 лет назад
This is awesome! Any videos of it in action?
@miles32323
@miles32323 6 лет назад
incredible
@tomsemo8186
@tomsemo8186 6 лет назад
Brilliant.
@josebarbosasilvafilho495
@josebarbosasilvafilho495 5 лет назад
Excelent video
@JCisHere778
@JCisHere778 6 лет назад
Very well done! Is there a chance we might see one of these in action? cheers, Johannes
@Troggination
@Troggination 5 лет назад
Kind of late to the gate on this, but are you worried at all about re-cutting chips on the finish pass of the tooth profile? Is there a particular reason you do this opp on the top of the part as opposed to the side or bottom which would allow the chips to fall away? Thanks!
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 5 лет назад
The reason I machine on the top of the part is the machine has no travel range in the X minus direction. It's max travel in X minus is -10 MM. So all machining milling and turning has to be on the plus side in X. As far as re-cutting the shavings, because I was making a video there is no coolant for better video. Normally there would be coolant flushing away the shavings.
@Troggination
@Troggination 5 лет назад
@@EdgePrecision Thanks for the reply! I guess that means there's no option to just run a stream of air at the tool to blow the chips away?
@razumikhinjones6283
@razumikhinjones6283 5 лет назад
Peter, do you ever think about getting an additional Mazak? You could program one while the other is working. I know you are very well off, and you don't need the money, just wondered if you have ever considered it. Thanks!
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 5 лет назад
No ones enough.
@chadbakkene5056
@chadbakkene5056 5 лет назад
Love watching your videos. One question. When roughing out the insert pocket, why not use a larger endmill and plunge it to get the majority of the material out, rather than wearing out the tips of 3/16" endmills?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 5 лет назад
Thanks Chad! The endmill is actually roughing the angle in steps on the insert pocket walls. That way the special endmill that finishes the tapered walls has less load on it. Plunging a end mill straight into something usually doesn’t work very well. But if I ground a form tool that could work. I usually try not to use any more special tooling than absolutely necessary.
@user-nn9ny8cq3s
@user-nn9ny8cq3s 2 года назад
В какой системе написана программа?
@meepk633
@meepk633 4 года назад
What's the point of the big metal cone he has it mounted on? Just to make it stick out? Or is it more stable for some reason?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 4 года назад
To provide clearance for the face of the milling spindle in relation to the chuck. I have made different cutters that required topping the spindle toward the chuck. Without this arbor that projects the work out away that wouldn’t be possible.
@billdlv
@billdlv 6 лет назад
Nice work Peter. Is this cutter your design? If so did you design it based on the available insert or the type of milling operation needed for the job?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
Thanks Bill; Yes the cutter is my design special for this part. As for the insert type. It was chosen for being the least expensive to do the job.
@billdlv
@billdlv 6 лет назад
I should have known why else would you make a cutter if one was commercially available considering the work that you are doing. Good stuff Peter, I hope you are considering setting up Patreon account or maybe some kind of swag you really are doing a good job and I'm sure many would be willing to support your efforts.
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
Do you think people would be interested in a patreon account for my channel? I would have to think what extra value I could offer them.
@billdlv
@billdlv 6 лет назад
Edge Precision Yes I think people would. You could offer the videos sooner to your patreons. Some don't really offer anything extra and people will contribute based on what your already doing.
@alysongr
@alysongr 6 лет назад
Very very nice job Peter! Let me ask one question... did you quenched the final piece?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
Thank You Alyson Grassi; I don't know if you saw the first video about these cutters. In that video I say what material there made of. The material is already heat treated before machining. It is 4340 commercial heat treat. That would make it 34-38 Rc hardness range.
@alysongr
@alysongr 6 лет назад
Edge Precision no I didn't I've subscribed to your channel today and was my first video. Nice job man!
@kisspeteristvan
@kisspeteristvan 6 лет назад
the tool looks like a brand name tool , great result . Will you put black oxide or some protective layer against corrosion ? . On a side note , i would like to see some heavy machining sometimes , i know that machine can handle at least a 6mm radial depth of cut (turning).
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
As the jobs come up is how your seeing them. If the job has heavy machining you will see it.
@nickl3981
@nickl3981 6 лет назад
Awesome video edge. Looks like fun making your own Cutters! How much do you offset the insert screw hole to pull the insert into the pocket? Do you prefer 4340 ph to 4140 ph for cutter bodies or is it more available in your region?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
In the case of these insert pockets the inserts being round the screws aren’t offset. With the tapered sides of the insert pockets surround more than 180 degrees of the insert. It hasn’t been necessary to put the holes off center.
@ederhsm2121
@ederhsm2121 6 лет назад
Nice jobs....
@nicholas9900
@nicholas9900 6 лет назад
Are you using Solid Works for the Tool Paths?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
No I don't use SolidWorks. I use Esprit for Cam and SpaceClaim cad.
@marcusmadrid7508
@marcusmadrid7508 6 лет назад
What did features did you end up machining with this custom cutter? Did it have a “lead” of some sort? Like a thread or ballscrew?
@marcusmadrid7508
@marcusmadrid7508 6 лет назад
Never mind saw the first video.
@bassfishermanify
@bassfishermanify 6 лет назад
That looks awesome. Do you have any video on the finished product being used?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
I did make a video showing these cutters in use. It was the one and only video one of my customers asked me to take down. They were concerned that their competition would see it.
@bassfishermanify
@bassfishermanify 6 лет назад
@@EdgePrecision I completely understand, the finished product looks awesome.
@chicoxiba
@chicoxiba Год назад
cool. What material is the part made of?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision Год назад
I made these out of 4340 comercial heat treated steel.
@trevorwebster3824
@trevorwebster3824 6 лет назад
Great video, love your work. What insert is that cutter designed for?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
Thanks Trevor; The Insert is a Iscar RCMT 1204M0-14 IC907 Grade.
@joedell71
@joedell71 4 года назад
Great video. Can we see that cutter in action?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 4 года назад
I did have a video showing these cutters in action. But the customer for those parts asked me to take it down. Sorry.
@joedell71
@joedell71 4 года назад
Edge Precision It’s ok. I understand. I work at a factory with an ITAR (military) area where we cant take pictures or video.
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 6 лет назад
Instead of using the ball nose end mill for profiling, why not run a regular endmill sideways with simultaneous rotation? Wouldn't that be a lot faster?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 6 лет назад
I'm actually cutting the radius on both ends and the flat in the middle to a angle. Only a form tool from the end could do that (I could grind such a tool on my grinder). Or a front and back corner rounder and a endmill.
@Jeralddoerr
@Jeralddoerr 6 лет назад
Ball endmill for what he's doing is the only way to go...
@alexcristian2593
@alexcristian2593 4 года назад
That's awesome! What material is the machined part?
@EdgePrecision
@EdgePrecision 4 года назад
This material was 4340 commercial heat treat.
@jerryplumley1576
@jerryplumley1576 4 года назад
This answered my question. Thank you
@Machinist-wf1iw
@Machinist-wf1iw 5 лет назад
awesome this is what your suppose to do ..you have a cnc just make your own cutterv
@juanyamasaki9930
@juanyamasaki9930 3 года назад
If you do it asimetric less vibration or none
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