Cannondale all the way. However, a correction to the video is required because the Cannondale Supersix Evo can fit up to 34 mm (measured) tires with no clearance issues as per the manual.
@@spilot1016what a misinformed and petty comment. They both route brake lines in the area, every internally routed bike follows the same basic direction of routing.
The Lab71 can officialy take 34mm, I have the same color bike, 25mm enve 4.5 rims with 32mm tl gp5000 tires and they fit perfectly with lots of room to spare though the front has a lot more clearance then the rear.
I feel the same except I’ve seen people argue the base specialized sl8 should be compared to the hi-mod instead which personally i think is stupid. Base model should be compared with base model
You have much to learn! Horizontal is sleek, classic, masculine, and sexy. Sloping top tubes are toy-like, unflattering, and malformed. Imagine wearing a suit that doesn’t fit or adopting a bowl cut for a hairstyle. It’s just not done.
As these bikes are similar, I would focus on build quality and ease of servicing. I have a tatty, old Supersix and the quality is not great but it gets ridden hard in all kinds of weather and it’s very easy to repair and service (apart from that bottom bracket). My SL7 has been perfect but then it only comes out in the sunshine.
The german tour magazine tested the supersix in a windtunel with 50mm cannondale weels at 45 km/h. The resistency was 207 watts. The sl7 with deeper weels had 208 watts while the Systemsix was at 203 watts
Resistency???? Also that probably means the sl8 is faster than the cannondale. Cannondale said their bike was 4 watts faster than the sl7 and the sl8 is more than 4 watts faster than the sl7. The new rapide bar is 4 watts by itself
@@Millicente The Cannondale bike was tested with a two piece stem and aero bar like the Tarmac SL7. I assume if the cannondale is re-tested with the one piece MOMO design aero bar then it is at least as fast as the SL8 if not faster within a few watts (assuming the same 4 watts for a one piece aero bar and stem). They are essentially the same.
... German* magazine / wheels* / resistance* (there is no such word as "resistency"). And four Watts difference at a speed that even most ambitious amateurs are not able to maintain for a significant amount of time? Definitely not worth a five-digit asking price!
SL8 doesn’t look like a 2023 bike with those tube shapes. It’s like s step back from SL7 if you ask me. Lots of hype around sl8 but i guess most people think ‘it’s specialized so it must be better’. Spesh possibly sells more bikes and therefore have a bigger fan base. Cannondale for me…
If you are choosing based on looks, the all white SL8 is boring to look at. The LAB71 is eye catching and just looks great. LAB71 wins. With their performance almost identical, it would be the paint job and possibly tyre clearance that would be the deciding factor in choosing one frame set over the other. I certainly would not spend big bucks for a bike that just looked run of the mill.
I think it's also worth noting that many top-end bikes are shipping with colors that are mostly black or white. In fact, a majority of bikes are shipping with monochromatic (fun way to say 1 color) paint. I just got al all black (boring af) Giant TCR, and as dumb as drivers are these days, I most certainly wish there were more bright, eye-catching colors to promote rider visibility on the streets
The Cannondale lab7 looks beautiful. The SL8 doesn't make me go wow, for all the big hype it looks like a bike from 7 to 8 ago. I'm just not impressed.
I'm diggin them 353NSW wheels and that LAB71 looks sharp with them but, I diggin that SL8 as well which would look sharp as hell with the same Zipp wheels.
For my bike build I was happy to get a Cannondale Supersix Hi Mod frameset. I have no experience with the S-Works bikes, but I would surely opt again for the Cannondale. What a great bike that is!
In the world of unlimited budget that SuperSix Hi-Mod frame in Laguna Yellow would be the best for my taste. The full builds are in Spesh’ favor because of the pre-installed power meters (no one rides a bike like this without one). The full build color schemes of Cannondale Hi-Mod are disappointing except for that yellow one. SL8 in design looks more boring. For now I will settle with my Aethos and CAAD9 so let’s call it a tie!
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 please - enlighten us all on the aero /watt/ blah savings that these new fat tire road bikes with oil lines provide? For 15k…. Go ahead And Read the pamphlet to us all
@@JanKowalski-pe9lo Typical boomer response. "2013 bikes were better" "2003 bikes were better" "1993 bikes were better" "1983 bikes were better" "Horse and carriage were better"
@@dainiusvysniauskas2049 Typical boomer response... - I didn't understand what he says so I write anything - I won't stay on topic so I'll go ad personam - I paid for new bike yet has been smoked by more fit guy on the shit bike from 2012 Grow up man
I am trying to understand which of these two bikes is more "comfortable." I am 191 cm tall, have long legs, but a rather short torso... I am between sizes 58 and 61 but am concerned that a 61 might be too big.
Your cursory mention of geometry is laughable. You can't compare reach on two bikes with different seat tube angles. The effective top tube of the bikes is identical with the primary diff being 10mm of stack height on the Supersix. For most riders that will be welcome (one fewer spacer). Next, head tube and trail. The Tarmac is .5 degrees steeper with 10ish percent less trail. For most weekend warriors, that's a twitchy bike. I'm currently riding the Lab 71 and my primary gripes with it are the lack of one piece bar with more negative stem rise and the 20mm seatpost setback. The extra height of the front end, while I think great for a lot of riders, and the extra set back with a relatively slack seat tube angle places my weight a little further back than I'd like when riding hard or descending. This is easily corrected with a zero offset post. Otherwise I think it's a darn perfect bike. And you don't have to be seen riding a Specialized! 😂
Defo the S-works, Cannondale aftercare service is non-existent, I had an issue with a brand new systemsix and basically they dragged it out for months! Previous to that, I had a paint issue (very small) with the s works 7 and Specialized replaced the whole frameset within weeks!
Cannondale is bankrupt I believe buying those is very risky. Even when the company was in a good Shape I had a current year frame with factory defects and because I was not first owner they did not took care of it which is illegal but I had no time to sue for paint. The whole paint is chipping away it's not just a small patch.
If you're in a vacuum, aero gains don't matter. (yes that's a joke, what isn't a joke is how much these bikes cost and how big a pain they are in order to save single digit watts)
I'm an S-works guy, however I really believe Specialized has lost the battle of most beautiful for now. IMHO my 2020 S-Works Venge is still the best looking machine they've ever made and what a coincidence, the Cannondale looks a lot more like a Venge than does the SL8. Aero look for the win!! As noted in the vid a livery you love always matters. I'd be happy with either one, but if I had to choose on looks alone the LAB 71 takes it.
Team Jimmy, Great report on both bike. I have a tarmac works SL6 . I absolutely love it! I would buy the Tarmac SL8 in the flash. I loved the design in fact everything about the bike.
System 6 would be a better comparison to Tarmac; they are both aero and stiff (SuperSix is not). Tarmac SL8 is the no1 racing bike on the market now, according to independent lab tests.
Cannondale...actually a long list of bikes I prefer over the overpriced SL8. PS. Nobody is going to think the SL8 is beautiful. Specialized made the SL7 uglier to make it so called better.
SL8 is cheaper by $1,000. And the way the guy had it set up with zipp NSW it would be 3k min more expensive. ( taking in consideration that you sell holligram wheels and you recuperate some money from NSW which cost about 4k.)
Fair video - S-Works is lighter and a touch more aero. Personally I think it looks better, but Cannondale has the better paint schemes. Always been a bit of a Specialized fan boy. Feels like I should get a little discount for the Cannondale. All that to say, I’d prob go S-Works. Either way, both great bikes and I think a do-it-all is the way to go.
I got my sse set up with continental 28's and absolutely fell in love with the ride, handling. Etc. I was afraid of this new tech nit allowing me ti be comfortable for uo ti 3-4 hrs butvi was gladly wring, it just goes abd goes!!! The hydraulic rim brakes aren't exactly sexy like my rim brakes on my Caad 10 but super effective. The best part is i git it used for just over $1k.
the superix top tube looks more straight and level, while the sl8 toptube is way more slanted towards the seat tube. In other words, supersix looks like a right triangle, and sl8 maybe scalene(?) triangle i think the sl8 looks a bit more aero... but specialized are greedy pig bastards, and it's trash!
But it's not trash. It's an amazing machine with the consensus of pros and experts alike. You can't afford it so you disparage it. Pathetic and despicable.
Despite owning a 2015 Cannondale Supersix Evo, I bought the Tarmac SL8 Pro. I was interested in the Evo (size 54cm) but the SL8s are more abundant, especially higher end models. The Tarmac Pro is equal to the Evo High Mod 2 and about the same price. The geometry figures of the 2015 Evo are nearly identical to the figures of the SL8.
@@nerocoachingcheck the internet; wish I could post all of the links. Look at any of the EF bikes (Carapaz’s for example). Each of them are marked CANN-S6HM Frameset 44379, the UCI marking for SSE4 Hi-Mod frames. I believe the Lab 71 frames are CANN-S6SL. I have seen zero EF bikes that are actual Lab 71 frames, even though they have the Lab 71 paint schemes.
Needless to say, I think this is false advertising and something no one has really brought up. Why would the pros choose or be given the second tier frameset? Is it better than the Lab 71? Are Cannondale sponsored teams not worth the best? Why would Cannondale paint them as Lab 71 when they aren’t? Are the Lab 71 frames not durable enough for a pro season? I have so many questions
