Much like you I drive a day cab delivering and loading forklifts and pallet Jacks all day , I could easily do this multiple times a day so needless to say a automated process is hands down the way to go
On about 4 is one thing but when applying 8-14 binders on a load, your arms start to hurt especially when you're trying to move fast while other drivers behind you are waiting on you. They would do great in saving your arms. I'd just keep a spare drill and batteries incase one burns up or a battery dies.
No way…. One simple standalone one versus needing a drill, backup rachet and socket, extra batteries.. all to save seconds. I’m not even in this industry, but that’s a no-brainer for me. Great video.
I was thinking of getting a set of these. They don’t really appear to be really that much quicker in the application that you’re using them in the video. But if you were Chaining something down and could not get as much throw on the handle of the regular binder then the speed binder would be so much faster I know sometimes when I chain my equipment down I can only get a quarter turn out of it before it either hits the trailer deck or the attachment. providing you could fit the impact in there that thing would be amazing. Great video thanks for sharing.
If I hauled a lot maybe, but for what I do, and what you just showed I think a regular ratchet binder is my best option. I live in Florida so salt and snow isn’t a problem for me. That and the price difference is a turn off as well.
I think in a tight spot, where you can't ratchet a regular binder, and also when the chains are long or there's something compressible like tires, they'd work awesome! When securing a tractor or car or anything with pneumatic tires, there's a lot of squish there and you ratchet forever, these would zip right thru that I'm sure faster than manual. It would, however, be pretty awesome to have a manual option other than a socket or something. Other than that, seems pretty jazzy! Thanks for the review!
@@CaptainKleeman Yeah, for sure! Looking through the comments, that seems to be a common concern. Maybe if they were just 1/2" square drive (so no socket needed) and came with a piece of 1/2" key/square clipped to the side for manual operation... Well, there goes my commission.... Maybe they'll just send me a set for my brilliant upgrade idea?
Hi Captain! Thank you for the review. After reading some of the comments I thought I'd chime in on a few. The time savings can be minimal or huge depending on the load you are carrying. Steel coil trucks are saving over an hour a day for example. It is definitely easier on the body. Most of our safest drivers on the road are the most experienced but we are getting worn shoulders, elbows ect....these help a lot. Batteries going dead are really not a problem. A fully charged battery with that drill kit will last about 40 cycles. If you are going to cut wood with a chain saw, your prolly going to make sure your chain saw has a full tank. A big advantage to our binder is the ability to keep the chain tight. The handle is a reaction bar that gets placed against the floor or track, blade of the equipment being hauled. Once tight, it takes about 7 to 10 lbs of effort to lift the handle up. because of this, tire mash over bridge abutments, rail road tracks ect do not loosen our binders where normal ones will counter rotate and loosen. Also, normal binders twist the chain towards the end of the tightening stage, we do a continued, 25 to 1 gear reduced pull of the chain with out any twisting. Pure tightness. Bone tight. Thank you for the review!!
To give a little background on Speedbinders. My first model used a 1 to 1 ratio and absolutey flew...hence the speedbinder name. That version had many draw backs and I took them off the market after the invention and release of Torque Drive. So this binder is called Torque Drive, made by speedbinders.com. To me, the speed is low on the feature and benefit list. Safety, chain tension, ease of use, long life ( no flipper to get a flat spot on) are attributes that stand out. They are not for everyone and I get that. But once you use them, you won't go back. 30 day money back guarantee, 6 month warranty.
Realistically, the time savings isn't that big of a deal. Where these things shine is avoiding tendinitis in the elbows or other sorts of repetitive use injuries if a person has to use binders multiple times per day. We only have one body. Destroying it for work isn't an option for me. I love these things.
5 stars Captain Kleeman for an unprecedented and non-bias review! The testing segment was stellar and true to your style of full disclosure, including the commentary. To that, you add some "roading" footage with the mighty Mack, complete with a partial shot of the now-famous "DOT pull broom" accessory you proudly carry on the trailer. Jakes are always a hit with the savvy viewers and you did a fine audio job with those as well. Highly recommend anyone with questions about chaining heavy equipment for transport consult you as an expert user. I'm fully aware that conditions apply and my mileage may vary. Enjoy your weekend, work safe, stay warm, and pls continue your all-encompassing video adventures here. It's appreciated brother! Doug@ the "ranch"
Speed of work progression isn't why you should consider speed binders. The main thing going for these speed binders is that they're energy savers. And that can be huge in summer and winter. Conserving your energy with binding 10-12 chains on a 90k load of coil can sap you real good... and then you got to put in 8-10hrs of driving. You already gotta lift chains and stuff. Anything that can save your energy output in the field has to be given a looksey.
I for one keep my tool box on my trailer organized so all it takes to find the impact is open my box and it’s right there ready to go, so if your not organized I’d say maybe this isn’t for you ! But most of the drivers I know are very organized and know where there tools are even in the dark!
Those binders are really going to be handy as long as the grease doesn't get to stiff this winter. I just subscribe it's good to see no mirrors where hurt during the video.
Guess I should have paid closer attention to my spelling mistakes in my first comment, what I meant to say was... The new style of ratchet binders being faster than the old style is not a factor for my work, but being able to tie down something in a tight spot, having clean lubed up parts (i.e., threads and ratchet mechanism) is sure a plus. I am not gonna just throw the old style on the scrap heap either. For you older guys, I am an older guy myself and won't under estimate what the older style can do and has done for so many years. Love you video's Capt., as well the joint ones of you with the "dirt" man... Thank you
spelling doesn't matter on this channel! and thanks for taking the time to comment and of course watch our videos. hope your week is off to a great start!
Great vid,it’s like a flip phone vs a I phone. Speed binders all the way baby. Especially if you’re moving equipment regularly. Let’s move out of the dark ages, and see the light 😂. Fire pit vs microwave. Horse and wagon or diesel truck. Mountain Dew or water.
Nice video, These are going to provide a more consistent tightening of the binders regardless of the actual operators fatigue level. I’m surprised that they didn’t offer a manual operation mode, something the manufacturer may want to investigate. Mike may want to throw a spare air powered tool on the truck if it’s supply is adequate to power one as a backup To the drill. That and throw the old binders in a bucket of used engine oil so they don’t become solid in case he ever has to go back to them. Take care, be safe operating that new truck. Is it electric, pedal, or Flintstoned powered.
Snap binders first for me and and maybe a couple of screw binders to make the hard to tighten tie downs. I wouldn't want to be searching for the battery drill just to tie down a load. I buy snap binders and screw binders used for $5 - $20. Snap binders are easy to tighten when the load moves a little. Screw binders often have to be unscrewed to catch another link - which is slow....
I used my brand new speedbinders TWICE and the hooks actually snapped in half on all 4 of them, on my oversized heavy haul load. Caused my load to fly forward into the front of my trailer. Be careful with the things. I had a total of 6 1/2" chains, 4 9200wll speedbinders and 2 standard 1/2 ratchet binders. No reason they should've failed.
Would love to hear more about this, during pull testing we pulled to over 46,000 lbs before deformation on the speedbinders. Never heard of hooks snapping in half....never...have any pics or more details to validate your story?
Off a few seconds on the speed binder times lol but whats even more better is the life time of your body that these things will give you. Work smart not hard! I just ordered 4 speed ones. Looking forward to them
They should call these labor saver binders. Speed is minimal. Although you didn't show stuff in the way that can hamper the handle swing. Good review. Thanks Captain. Cheers!
I’m not sure I ever had a regular binder work as good as yours! I ordered 3 speed binders for myself. I imagine after the first use I’ll say how did I make it without them!
I spend a lot of time cleaning and maintaining my ratchet binders. It’s definitely not fun on cold or rainy days trying to get a stuck binder to work. I’ve got to check out those speed binders.
Stück binder? Grease in the summer, PB blaster in the winter, even better, a spray bottle with ATF and Diesel fuel sprayed on periodically. No excuse for rusted or stuck binders except piss poor maintenance
I'm all for a better product. Unfortunately I don't think this is a win for me. The handle on the old binder doesn't die. Adding a inverter, and power tools in the trucks that require binder use is a unnecessary expense. Thanks for the review. Just offering my opinion.
I bought 6 speed binders 2 weeks ago in my opinion straight up JUNK! You can’t get enough torque from a cordless drill as I have in my own strength. With the speed binders my chains have typically gotten loose within 5 miles of driving and my old school ratchet binders I can drive 500 miles without them getting loose.
Grease the grease zirk liberally, lubricate the threaded end links with silicone spray and use a drill with at least 800 inch lbs of torque ...."let her eat" pull the drill down in first gear and they will be tighter and stay tighter than any ratchet binder.
I never pegged you as the type of person to run a stop sign Captain Kleeman. The speed binder would be even better if the fail safe to a dead battery was that it could be operated like a standard ratchet binder, which is exactly what I thought since it still has the handle but I guess the handle is only to prevent rotation as it tightens down.
You should have me do that with the regular binder when I do it for 30 minutes because the chain breaks loose and then I have to start over and then you have to rewind another chain Breaks Loose again and like I said it can take me 30 minutes sometime
thanks man! pretty excited for the promotion haha. and i'm not trying to sell anyone, just sharing my experience with them is all. people have to use what works best for them!
They are cute. But ill keep my breakovers, throw it on the ground pull it through the salt and it still works everytime. And faster than either of those
So it gives you an extra 2 seconds to drink coffee or Mr Dirt Perfect to drink more Pepsi. The old style will keep your arms in shape the new ones keep your stomach filled with food or drink.
Let’s adjust the camera moves it exactly where it was it takes exactly the same amount of time as a normal one cost 6 times as much also if your rub rails are not rated for 9100 pounds then there is no point in owning one
Been using them for over a year. Love them, in fact he bought them for all three trailers. and your data is off just a bit there bud. Hope your evening is a good one!
I can see one place that the speed binders will be nice is if your in a tight space under or beside something that you cant get a full swing with the handle on the old binders
Speed between the is not an issue in my mind. The issues of tight places, cleaner thread area is the "gift" on this item. Will it rachet like a regular rachet binder or are you dependent on the drill or 3/8 rachet? Love all you and "dirty" videos... For you die hards of the order style ratcheting styles, I won't scoff at you. I am an "old guy" too and won't necessarily just cast those old binders in the scrape pile.
dependent on the but drive. and we will still keep regular ratchet binders on the trailer as well. for normal loads we can use our speed binders, but every now and again we will haul something odd ball that needs more binders. thanks for watching!
You should check out the "self" binder. I bought a set of them and prefer them to the speedbinder. And you use a 1/2" impact, not a drill. I think they are better built and will last longer too.
They aren't durable. After a year self binders started breaking after 9 months. Also self didn't want to warranty them at first but they did eventually send out replacements, but it took 2 months
@@mikesch7672 maybe they were made better 4 years ago. I work for Sunbelt rentals so they don't have a gentle life. I also am very meticulous and take care of my equipment and greased them weekly. They just can't keep up. I literally had the first one fail 6.months in, they replaced it quickly. 3 months later I had one a week almost start failing like clock work. I really hoped they would work because they are great in tight situations due to lack of a handle. After all the failures I had, we decided to try these speed binders. I just started using them last week and so far I am impressed. Haven't had a single issue with loosening yet and they seem to be built like a tank. SELF is a awesome concept and probably great if you don't move as much equipment as we do.
I am a lead driver/ trainer in my district and am the tester for some of the products like this to see how they work. If they seem worthwhile, my district manager wants to order them for all the stores which is over 30 trucks. I move a lot of equipment so I need durable and efficient.
Looks like it's really a personal decision on which binder to use. If the difference in time was greater and you avoided busted knuckles,,,, it would be a no brainer.
i'm curious to see how they do through the winter, that seems to be when we have the most trouble with the ratchet binders. i'll be sure to post updates.
they are more expensive than regular binders, but i think the overall operation cost is probably less, time save, amount of cans of penetrating oil i go through, amount of time i have to reset the go pro to get a good shot of chaining down because the ratchet binder was seized in shot one...things like that
Captain,I hauled paving equip with an Autocar & a drop deck trailer.Worked construction from the age of 16, and retired at age 55 after I lost a leg in a MC accident, and could not get in & out of the trucks.I was also a call firefighter!
Does the grease fitting actually grease the the screws or just the gears in the head. To me that just looks like a slack adjuster with a couple modifications and a pipe welded into it. Can you use it manually without the 14mm socket driving the head like a regular binder or do you always have to have to use the 14mm bolt.
Reel McCoy I got some regular ratchet binders from rural king for $30 a piece. 5/16-3/8 grade 70 with 5200lb load o think. The same thing in a speed binder is $75. So as much as I want to get speedbinders. From what he just showed. I think I’ll stick with a regular ratchet binder.
yeah, they are more expensive, but i'm fairly positive they will pay for themselves over time. this winter will be the real test for us, that seems to been when the ratchet binders give us the biggest trouble. thanks for watching!
Aside from the fact that it really isn't that much faster, the price difference and the fact that you need a cordless drill to use one just doesn't seem like this product would be worthwhile to own.
Whys it have handle i thought they could be used manually when I first saw this I could see that being a huge pain in ass oh the drill is in the other truck guess were going back
I really like the idea of the speed binders but my thing is with them that's another drill more crap I have to worry with in the truck and more stuff for people to lose awesome video though
Great video. So what happens when the battery dies, or I forgot to bring the driver, lastly I've lost the socket . I see to many opportunities for something to go wrong. Just sayin'. Not discouraging anyone from buying the binders. I just know why I don't use or own many battery powered tools for the above reasons. Stay safe.
well if both our batteries die, and we have somehow managed to leave behind our socket and wrench kit we keep on the truck for on the road repairs, and i have left my personal bag i carry that i keep a pipe wrench, channel locks, and vice grips in....we are having a bad day! hahaha, but when that day happens I'll get it on video for you! hahaha. thanks for sharing you input and hope you're having a good weekend!
@@DIRT-BOSS Gotcha! I ordered a set and I really like 'em. We'll see how they hold up to New Englands' weather....Enjoy your weekend! Doug@ the "ranch"
@Excavator_Farmer I really don't think it's less work either.. by the time you get to drill out put the drill back..it only shaved a couple seconds off the timer.. The real issue is how does it lock we know the mechanicals are locked and they can't come loose but if something breaks inside those speed binders.. goodnight Irene!
Dude love you and Mike's vids.. But on this one I think I'd have to disagree with ya...Seems like too much extra work...Some things are already as good as it gets even if we have been using it for years...Keep up the great vids!
Doesn't really save that much time and you have to carry extra tools, but I suppose there's a purpose somewhere. I'll stick to my old school binders. Thanks for the video, I really enjoy them. Great sounding Mack!!
Randall Wescoat that Mack sounds good! Thanks for watching and thanks for being respectful! Can be rare on RU-vid these days. Hope you’re having a good weekend!
@@CaptainKleeman you have a great weekend also. They're a neat concept, I'm just old school on lots of things I guess. I try to keep my binders lubed up and clean, but you understand the salt and crap as I do. I live in the wrong climate...lol.
I don’t see it so much about speed. I mean who’s out here chaining loads down like you are in nascar changing tires. It’s more about convenience. Making your work easier. Work smarter. Not harder I guess is the analogy. But to each your own. Do what you like best.
Do you feel the speed binders torque down plenty tight enough with the drill compared to standard binders? I’m strongly considering purchasing some of these.
yeah, they really do tighten down well. And i have to say that when i stop an check my chains, i find myself adjusting these a lot less than i did with the ratchet binders. our back county gravel roads vibrate the crap out of our loads, and these stay tight.
Not every one is going to carry a battery drill around with them to tighten the binder so the ordinary old binder really shines out then, sure they do make it easy but you haven’t got that feel when it’s tight it’s a bit of a guess how tight they are, yet with the ratchet type you know how tight they are , and are quicker to attach from the start you don’t have to go look for a drill check the battery charge then start by the time you do all that you would have the ratchet one on and tight but either way each to there own
i understand everyone might not like them. and to that i have to agree with you...to each their own. haha. hey thanks for watching and hope your week is off to a great start!
@@CaptainKleeman but cost some people cause they don’t got a drill but in my opinion I just like the hand ratchet better. Some people different opinion
One point you missed... Masculinity! Those ratchet binders are Farmall red. They clash with my Kubota orange. Looks like I have no sense of style at all. (That spells ‘He-man’ all the way.). And when I work up a sweat tugging on them to tension the chain... well, that just smells totally Alpha Male. But, all is not lost yet. The Black paint on the Speed Binder is so much more manly. About color clash, lets face it, even Hulk screws up and color coordinates every once and a while! And, I still have the sweat option... all I have to do is use a socket and ratchet!!! All in all... I have to say that color is probably a wash... and, I can always exhibit my manliness best by picking up the Speed Binders when I have a perfectly good set of Ratchet Binders... because we all know that nothing speaks of Macho-Manliness like adding four new BoyToys to my collection!!! Thanks Cap’n for your thorough review... gotta go update my Christmas list before Mrs Clause finishes her shopping.
