I think the pronoun is intentional. Brock melded so perfectly with the suit, he didn't even need to refer to it as a separate entity; they have become quite literally one and the same.
@@ThePlasmicAlchemist The point is that the suit wasn't a psychologically separate entity in the first place. There were no signs shown of it being able to talk except in the novelization/original script, where the symbiote consumed Eddie Brock and said "Never wound what you can't kill". But overall, in this version "Venom", as shown in the novelization, is just a villain pseudonim Eddie created for himself after bonding with the symbiote.
I'm probably alone on this, but this theme alone got me wondering: "what if Sony brought back this Venom?". I mean, it doesn't have to be the exact same version, just look at how they changed the old villains in No Way Home. They could have Venom in its symbiote form all the time, just like Sandman. Make it like the original script where Eddie Brock has become nothing but bones after the symbiote consumed his flesh. I'd much rather watch that creepy pure evil monster than the goofy goo pet they turned the character into in the new movies.
I can feel such darkness and evil in this suite. The Venom theme in Spider-Man 3 is not only epic. Is brillant and ominous. And why?Man, this theme literally evokes many feelings. Anger, hatred, frustration and the degeneration of a mind. Not only that. You can feel here, that the symbiote is truly a monster. An alien terrifying monster that wouldn't care if it had eated it's host alive (Check some information about the original Eddie Brock's death on the film) just to proceed to consume the only person that was truly compatible with. If Spider-Man 3 conserved the original Eddie's death, I can sure you: this theme wouldn't change in anything. Like this theme was designed for this obscure moment specially. Personally, I like more the Venom 2018-2021 version because it's more cool but also, it's a more modern accurate version of the character. This version, by the other hand... Is still in my nightmares.
I swear when he said that I could feel the evil rise up in me, when he smiled I smiled with him, and I was like YEAH KILL THAT MOTHERFUCKING SPIDER-MAN, that was 11 years ago.. when I was 7/8 😂 didn't even changed a bit 😈
The line “I like being bad, it makes me happy” in the Italian adaptation translates like “I like hurting people, it makes me happy”, it strengthens that vibe that the Spider-Man 3 Venom gives you, he’s more like Carnage than Venom.
Many people have likened him to 80s and 90s comics Venom, as in not a uber serious bulky death machine, but a monster with a petty vendetta/grudge and a tendency to laugh it up when attempting destroying his arch enemy as he finds it very enjoyable. Basically Venom from Spectacular Spider-Man with the backstory of Spider-Man 3 Venom (and the added element of his cancer). Only problem with the Spectacular Spider-Man version imo is that he constantly calls Peter "Bro" it it's very annoying.
I thinks it’s cause Spider-Man 3 is so different tonally that his take on Venom didn’t fit quite so well. It would’ve slotted perfectly in with the tone of the previous two films, especially the first, but it just felt very disconnected. And with the lack of adequate screen time for Brock and Venom, it just didn’t really work in the film’s favour
@@shamaredwards9259 This Venom I actually find scarier than the new one because of how inhuman he is. When the mask comes off he's Eddie Brock or rather a monstrous version of him but when it's on he doesn't even speak all he does is roar and shriek even his posture isn't human. When the mask comes off he stands upright tall, when it's on he's always hunched almost moving on four legs, claws extracted stalking through the shadows his roar echoing everywhere. Venom doesn't seem human in Spiderman 3. Brock becomes an animal there's no trace of the man he once was whenever that mask is on almost like the moments when it comes off are what's left of Brock's soul before he let's his demons consume him. What is Brock seeing when that mask is on what is he thinking is he even thinking or is he gripped by nothing but a savage rage and hatred. It's terrifying how can a human being even make those sounds and still be conscious,Venom with the mask and without it are unrecognizable. What the hell is happening to Eddie once that mask goes on?
@@shamaredwards9259 Another intriguing thing is Venom is basically Peter symbolically accepting Goblin's offer. When he scars Harry even mirrors when Goblin throws the bomb at him in the climax. Dark Peter even operates on Goblin's philosophy attacking people's heart, telling Harry his father hated him, publicly humiliating MJ and pushing her out of public eye, just like how her father viewed her, a beautiful face worth nothing else. Dark Peter goes right for the heart and is only interested in others lifting him onto their shoulders because he's exceptional. He's embraced Goblin's philosophy completely. All of Peter's demons than latch onto Eddie and Peter finds himself facing the personification of all his inner darkness and every sin he ever committed. When Venom kills Harry it's Peter's crimes killing him and Harry is choosing to take the blow because he forgives those crimes. After Venom is gone Peter than forgives Sandman admitting his crimes and finally forgives himself for everything. Venom culminates the entire trilogy and establishes that the main antagonist is Peter's own demons tying back into every single conflict of the trilogy. The greatest battle lies within applies to the entire trilogy.
I think this Venom was perfect for the story Raimi wanted to tell. Why forgiveness is important and rage and hatred will only lead to more suffering for all involved. Sadly people were more concerned for comic accurate LOOKS than good story telling
@@heltongomez8865 I'm pretty sure there weren't supposed to be these many villains but Sony forced in a few.i dont know which they were but I think it was Venom.
@@heltongomez8865 I believe that hes talking about the deleted Venom death scene, were basically Spider-Man stabs Venom in the chest, Venom's face shows Eddie's skull and drops Eddies skeleton on the floor to show Venom had killed Eddie, then Spider-Man would kill Venom using sound waves and much more. Yeah, it was pretty horrific for a film made for kids, but I wish they kept it.
One of the best Supervillain soundtracks ever. It makes you feel like it belongs to evil, something so insidious and eminent that you can only watch as everything is taken and dies around you, helpless and chained to a dark force torturing you.
Trust me, if you had ever read the comics before watching the movies, you would've realized just how terrible a spider-man toby was. he was a good peter parker, but a HORRIBLE spider-man.
I find it hilarious that you say nobody cares, when the fact that people comment on this means there ARE people who care. What nobody friggin cares about is how everybody should follow your opinion instead of their own. We're saying what we think, stop trying to make us think like you just because you think it's stupid.
Spiderman fans: Remember the Sam Raimi trilogy, the series you cancelled in cold blood?! Sony Executives: .....What does it matter to you entitled fans anyway!? Spiderman fans: EVERYTHING!!!!!
Topher Grace was a good Eddie brock and his venom wasn't that bad , he just needed better voice and more screen time . If they didn't kill him we could have seen a bigger venom in spiderman 4 alongside carnage .
Nah I completely disagree, I feel like the people who say that Spiderman 3 Venom should've been bigger don't realize how fucking stupid and ridiculous and goofy venom would look, in live action, if he was bigger. And the new venom literally proved that, like newer venom looks fucking terrible. Making venom bigger wouldn't make him scarier, it'd make him look fucking ridiculous. This venom looks much more realistic. If something like venom did exist, this is more how I would imagine it to look.
This Venom is actually really cool when you think about it. Venom was actually evil at first, plus this Venom seems to be based on Ultimate Venom & Brock & 616 Brock. He's evil like the Ultimate Venom & Brock & he's got a job at the Daily Bugle like 616 Brock. Plus this guy's got Spider-Man involved in his story, unlike Tom Hardy's version.
@@KirbyZilla I know right, the slime effect they gave venom makes it look fake and now that I’ve seen carnage he looks even more fake than venom does. I’m glad the Spider-Man 3 venom went with a practical suit even if it does make him look less alien but it doesn’t matter to me.
For how little this Venom is on the screen, this also has to be the pettiest, evilest, most psychotic version of Venom I've ever witnessed! Even before Eddie bonded with the suit, he was an irredeemable narcissist, and all the suit did was bring out all of his worst traits! He is the one and only villain in the Rami trilogy who never grows; never evolves; never learns. He's the one villain so evil, I'll bet not even Tom could save him.
What’s interesting about this venom/Eddie Brock is it’s a take from the ultimate comics being more like an anti Peter Parker rather than a separate more complex individual. Still badass, goofy but topher grace & Tom Hardy are legends so it doesn’t really matter how this venom was because he’s goated all the same.
Topher grace Venom was way better he was a complete psychopath and he was full evil , sinister and terrifying. Even in the orginal spiderman 3 script venom was supposed to be more dark and even more evil than he already was
People saying he was nothing like comic's venom did not get anything about comic's venom in the first place. Peter and Eddie are very similar characters in a way, they both start out as jerks, and they both get granted an incredible power to do what they want. The thing is Peter learns and has responsibility, Eddie torments and acts on hate. While Eddie and Peter are similar, Spiderman and Venom are opposites, one is full of colours, hopeful and rightful, the other is monochromatic, terrifying and an awful person. It's supposed to be a shot back at who Peter could've been, a distorted mirror of Peter without responsibilities. Venom is also an allegory of addiction and drugs, they make you stronger at first, but also more obsessed and aggressive. This makes Eddie Brock dependant on the symbiote to survive in the comics, it made Eddie Brock die in the movie. This venom was a perfect and accurate depiction of what he is, the only problem is that the movie has way too many villains, and he had no time to develop or even be impactful. People don't seem to really see what venom really is about nowadays, because of how comics milked the concept of symbiotes to death and pretty much killed everything special about this character by doing at least 20 look-alikes
Carnage was the first mistake, it's everything like venom visually , but it removes everything interesting about it to make it a bidimensional serial killer whose only point is killing
it would've been better if sandman and venom were the only two villains and focused on the venom story as much as possible making it horror like. have sandman (like in the game) be forced into fighting spider man and have peter save his daughter even tho he killed his uncle and spider man and sand man team up on venom.
@@trizard3940 Or, when Pete is at the church, he attempts to get rid of the Black Suit and it refuses so he tries much harder until he hits the bell. The bell is painful for the symbiote, and it roars in pain and agony. Eddie hears his screams, we follow his pov; and he sees Peter struggling with the suit, Eddie must be dreaming since he thought he saw a maw of teeth protruding from the suit. Or maybe not. Peter fights for his life until he finally gets it off and it relents its hold on him, it slithers off him and lands on Brock to bond with him whether he wants to or not. So when he fully bonds with it and smiles creepily at the camera, he shows his venom face and he roars and then it cuts to the end credits.
I just noticed that when Peter was getting rid of the suit, it's like it's adhered to his skin, but when Brock has the suit and reveals his face, it's like the suit is clawing/digging into him as if refusing to let go.
@@godbloodspilla7154 Definitely, I mean can you blame it? Peter made it feel special and happy, and then he gets rid of it like last week leftovers. Clearly made the symbiote insecure.
Hardy’s Venom kinda behaved more like, a demented clown trying to intimidate the voice of a sinister dark lord, though very badass when necessary. Grace’s Venom really behaved like, some other worldly other dimensional creature, with it’s beastly growling, screaming, and screeching, like something out of a supernatural horror monster.
If I was directing the character of Grace's Venom, I'll do it simply. After Peter ripped off the symbiote and went home, the creature spots Eddie Brock still praying in the bench. The symbiote grabs a baseball bat and knocks out Eddie unconscious and uses his body to get revenge on Peter Parker.
I thought it was interesting how Eddie Brock was more powerful with the black symbiote compared to when Parker had it. Eddie had a naturally more mischievous and rebellious nature than Parker before the black symbiote, Eddie was willing to cheat, steal, and kill
@@Weegee5555 same here He just need better shape and more screan time Venom is my favorite spiderman villain And symbiote Story is my favorite thing in spiderman
@@Weegee5555 same here espacially design but avi arad destroyed him Instead of making a main villian in spiderman 4 they give him 15 minutes for his screan time. I wish he was main villian in spiderman 4 with carnage as side villian. I dont want vulture and lizard. I prefer venom and carnage better
4:21 Eddie: Peter? WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!? 4:24 *Peter catches pumpkin bomb and throws it* Eddie: NO! *Eddie tries to jump back to the symbiote but blows up* Eddie: NOOOOOOO! Peter: EDDIE! *BOOM!*
@@kinggil4181 actually yeah venom is literally a mirrored version of Spider-Man so in my book he was really good plus it technically that way in the comics why you think teeth and crooked eyes he ain’t perfect while Peter is
Peter : I know what it feels like , it feels good, the power , everything but you'll lose yourself. Let it go Eddie: I like being bad , it makes me happy 😈
1:32 I want him dead too Flint. That's why I've been looking for you. Oh yes, I know all about you. Like the fact that the spiderman. won't let you help your poor daughter. it's just, that doesn't seem right to me. look I wanna to kill the spider, You wann to kill the spider. Together, he doent's stand a chance. INTERESTED?
I really like how this theme is just a complete corruption of Spider-Man's theme and the Responsibility theme, the instruments are more intense,the chanting is more low and menacing, and the entire piece sounds unhinged much like Venom
I prefer this version of venom being kinda alive not to the point where they are separate beings reffering to themselves as "we" but more of a sentient drug.
