Spider Man Comparison: 1990 vs 2022

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Taking a look at 1990's hit Spider-Man #1 book by Todd McFarlane against the recent 2022 Amazing Spider-Man #1 by Zeb Wells and John Romita Jr... how do the books and styles compare over 32 years?
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@lucymiau5700 2 года назад

The Tod Mc Farlane version shows Comics as avisual medium in which the story might be not as important as in other media. The 2022 version looks more like a storyboard for its own CW series. A lot of "kitchen scenes" that are cheap to produce in a series.

@slasher0630 2 года назад

Its something too this because my issue with Todd and many art in the 90s is how the pages looked like they exploded. I actually like the page layouts in 2022 because panel structure is needed. Story is equally as important to comics. EC in the 50s is all about that and thats when comics was a massive success. Its all before the comics code.

@lucymiau5700 2 года назад

@@slasher0630 Comics need a structur. However, this structur should not look like a storyboard. Series and Movies are different Media than Comics. When I reead a comic, I want follow the story but, I want also a visual Extra. After reeding a Comic, I want to be inspired to draw/paint a picture due to the great art I saw before.

@bluestripetiger 2 года назад

To me a good layout and even better stories were Valiant Comics the original run and also the Valiant relaunch before they got bought out by DMG Ent. I loved the trademark "watercolor coloring" and the art was good enough to illustrate the story decently while letting the story do most of the heavy lifting.

@slasher0630 2 года назад

@@bluestripetiger 90s Valiant is an excellent example of great sequential storytelling in comics. Jim Shooter made it so. The pages were all his idea. Those comics followed that very strictly.

@slasher0630 2 года назад

@@lucymiau5700 i agree. Decompression is a technique not a type of storytelling. Its a tool that can be used to make excellent things happen. Wally Wood understood that and was clearly very selective with it. Compressed storytelling with decompressed techniques to tell 8-10 page stories.

@TevyaSmolka 2 года назад

Honestly the 1990s Spider-Man is far better then 2022 Spider-Man.

@Tyler_W 2 года назад

Early 90s? Yes. Late 90s? Debatable.

@TevyaSmolka 2 года назад

@@Tyler_W indeed early 90's was good late 90's for Spider-Man especially during the clone saga wasn't great however to be fair marvel themselves was going bankrupt during this time as well.

@retronerds6884 2 года назад

@@Tyler_W late 90s is better than 2022 spiderman and it even isn't close

@garthwhitely9012 2 года назад

You definitely can see the quality of the art and pace of the 1990’s Spider-Man. Peter is out being Spider-Man try to solve the murders. The Lizard is just straight up slaughtering street punks left and right causing high tension from beginning to end capturing the readers full attention. While the writing isn’t great it’s still leaps and bounds Exceptionally better than the slow, depressing, mediocre art and story of the 2022 Spider-Man

@grimreads 2 года назад

Todd knew how to get right what the Greats before him did. The DoomDoomDoom is clearly taken from Walt Simonson's Thor and it works the same way. The entire Torment storyline stands firmly on top of Kraven's Last Hunt. If one can criticise Torment is that it feels more Spawn than Spider-Man

@commentarytalk1446 2 года назад

I actually read the 1990 Spiderman comic. I remember it clearly. I was not a comic reader, but that Summer I was reading Spiderman and it was very good fun. The art was so inspiring and beautiful. It was the sort of thing I wished we were taught how to do in art class when I was at school. Little did I realize that was the peak of the state of the art so no wonder I enjoyed it so much. So onto the merits: 1. The artwork is graphic and has texture. Those tiles are so dynamic and add a surrealism with the imagery to increase the imagination effect. 2. The overall core images and story progression is much more "Mythic": Spiderman is full of contortions like a gymnast and his beautiful woman adds in the heart while the Lizardman adds the necessary opposite dark: Violence, monsters, darkness and building tension. The main reason I never continued reading comics was the disorganization in trying to follow them. Perhaps about 6-7 years later I was in a big city and rummaging around comics with their plastic covers and it was just impossible to know what stories to look for and what order despite some great and exciting covers. Never bought another comic since then. As to the recent spiderman: It's not "artistic". Then the story has devolved from "mythic" above into quotidian or "pedestrian": A total lack of belief and loss of purpose as if trapped in the "daily grind" of material existence. Is that the intention of the art or the accidental effect of the art style or loss of inspiration or originality in the story process? I was basically a "new" reader of Spiderman in 1990. It was no problem: I liked the detail McFarlane used for spiderman creating a cocoon of the victim: It was more biological as if he might suck the juices out of the victim (a subtle accuracy). Again that sort of style is in the glutinous web and the rupturing of that rat carcass... . It adds the sufficient contrast to the velvet-silky dress on MJ's lithe big-eyed heart-of-goodness to flesh out the story. Tbh I was a kid back then and even I managed to grasp this idea behind the art. Now I look at the 2022 art and there's none of these layers of interpretation whatsoever. As said I only read a few spiderman comics but seemed to have read a few very high quality ones by sheer luck. My final thought: If the art is so good and the panels are dynamic even with less writing that depiction and imo mythic imagery goes a long way to making you want to look at the comic - again and again. It's better to end on a positive note focusing on the beautiful work in the 1990 comic so I won't waste time pointing out areas the 2022 version could improve on. Just savour that beautiful artwork all the more in the 1990 comic, instead.

@AL-ws5yi 2 года назад

I tried to come in with an open mind with the possibility of the modern Spiderman being better but no. I prefer Todd’s Spiderman so much more. I wish Todd was writing Spiderman again.

@retronerds6884 2 года назад

Don't we all

@twistedtheorist749 2 года назад

Despite the writing quality. The Image guys understood what kids and teens would think is cool. I don’t think anyone today even thinks about that. Love this series Perch. I hope in the future you do this comparison with the early works of Moore, Morrison, Gaiman vs today’s writers Cates, Slott, Snyder etc.

@jackratscratpack9323 2 года назад

I’m still trying to collect grant morrisons JLA run

@jbbrolic 2 года назад

Love Todd McFarlane except the Wolverine Wendigo arc. At his point I assume people still trashing the 90s are industry shills. In, say, 2012, sure the "aughts" were a great decade. But after the past 5 years of big 2, anyone trashing the 90s should stop throwing stones from the glass house.

@terskatti4994 2 года назад

Most of 90's comics are much better than 2022.

@InfamyOrDeath-__- 2 года назад

My god, 29 variants, that’s bonkers, a new big #1 comic should have 4 at the very most.

@caedrewan 2 года назад

I love how contorted McFarlane's Spidey is, and of course the giant eyes and oodles of webs are iconic- last, but not least, inclusion of underarm webbing. It's all pretty great.

@grh7britton405 2 года назад

BAD art. Look at that twisted right hand. Totally bad anatomy. It's previlant throughout the entire book. Bad faces, bad everything!

@kyleolson8977 2 года назад

I completely understand if don't feel like you have the time to sync up the comics with your audio. You put out a large number of videos and your process is mostly about the audio. But if that's the case, it would be better to just show the covers or static samples and not flip through the comics like you do here. Your audio almost always doesn't with the pages of the comic you're showing in the video and it therefore it's not very useful. But more importantly, it's actually distracting because we will be looking for details that aren't in the page on the screen. It would be more practical for us to find the comics somewhere else on the internet or IRL if we wanted to follow along with you.

@paulmcgrew2932 2 года назад

Hi Perch, may I please second Kyle's feedback? I worked in TV news for a long time. Words and images should match up as best as possible. Personally, if you had to cut back on your daily output to take extra time to match up the images with your words, I think it would be worth it. This is such a great idea, BTW.

@hwk_9 2 года назад

My first comics I have ever read was Torment by Todd. I was 7, just learned how to read. I never got lost in the story, the art just blew me away. It was detailed and gruesome (7yo reading) and I remember having some nightmares with this Lizzard. JMR Jr can't compete. I was never a big fan of his art, but his style is iconic. But yeah, there's a reason I gravitate towards Todd's art or Brett Booth's

@tomteacher5885 2 года назад

wow, wes was right, they hired JRJR to draw people eating and driving around. For like 30-35 pages... add some domestic scenes... 2 pages for a fight. who buys that crap lol!

@kadosho02 2 года назад

Modern #1 and it feels like a slow burn. Hopefully this new run will improve. I thought about getting back into the series, but after seeing this comparison. Nah I'm good

@CousinCreepy 2 года назад

Huge difference from his dynamic work on Word War Hulk! Not a big fan but that was probably some of his better work.

@kadosho02 2 года назад

@@CousinCreepy I really loved JRJR's work in that series. Vastly different from this. Plus the characters always had emotions on every page, and panel. Plus the alien world on display, the two page spread that said it all, sometimes even fights had two pages, but it didn't feel garish or boring. I hope the script within this new run of Spidey, allows him to bring that vibe back.

@CousinCreepy 2 года назад

@@kadosho02 well said, I agree! A true sign of effective storytelling is that after the book is closed you can still see the pages in your mind. The Hulks battles with Thor and Sentry in that series achieved that for me. Excelsior!

@kilemiller6519 2 года назад

The most noticeable thing to me is how todd does panel boarders. I like how some panels have webs or certain parts of the character coming off the panel and into the white of the page. Makes it look so much more exiting.

@cravencomics5887 2 года назад

There's one very important detail that was left out of this comparison. The 1990 Spiderman book was Todd Mcfarlane's FIRST time writing, while the 2022 book has a full, experienced creative team. A lot of people point to the 1990 Spiderman series as the prime example of Todd's poor writing skills. But that's just it, he wasn't a writer. Up until this point he was strictly an artist. You can't expect anyone to just come out of the gates and be good at something the first time they try. It takes time to develop those skills. Compare what he did here to what he did with Spawn just a few years later and there's a marked improvement that continues to get better over time. The fact that an experienced writer struggles to compete with a first time writer is even more of an indictment against the 2022 ASM creative team. Now if I can offer a bit of constructive criticism... while I appreciate your desire to show us a side by side, page by page comparison, not having the video synced to your audio cues is beyond distracting. While you're talking about page 14 we're looking at page 24. It's like watching episode 4 of a TV series while listening to the audio of episode 3. You may as well be playing I Love Lucy while talking to us, it would have the same effect. Your videos would be much better served by having the visual cues match the current subject/topic/page that you are discussing. It makes for a much more pleasant, and more importantly, coherent experience for the viewer.

@docblade3270 2 года назад

The modern color palette feels depressing to me!

@drewtheunspoken3988 2 года назад

1990 is a much more dynamic issue, even if the writing isn't great. The colors pop and it feels like a much more lighthearted affair. It just screams "FUN!" 2022 takes a more cinematic approach, starting with establishing Peter Parker's status quo. Romita Jr. looks much less dynamic and the colors are muted, making it look fairly bland. As for the price for 1990, it was printed on the heavier stock while the other Spider-Man titles were still $1.00. Spider-Man (1990) is comporable to other "Deluxe" titles at the time, such as Ghost Rider, Punisher War Journal and Wolverine. The higher quality paper really helped Todd's line work as there was less smudging during printing.

@docblade3270 2 года назад

Most of the readers that started comics with spider, wouldn't do that with that sad version of him !

@kadosho02 2 года назад

That is the other issue, it seems to be an arc that's been built over several issues / restart. Something feels off about the modern run. Or maybe it will build into something eventually? I feel for anyone getting into the modern series

@jackratscratpack9323 2 года назад

If someone wanted a good Spider-Man recommend I’d say go for the ultimate Spider-Man run then I’d give the excuse to avoid what the writers written after 2013 by saying he was hit in the head with a baseball so he lost some of his talent and it’s not as good anymore

@wtk6069 2 года назад

McFarlane's dialogue and story pacing were sometimes terrible, but his plots weren't that bad, and it still made for an entertaining package that felt like an event every issue. The total experience was well worth the purchase price. Can we say that about any mainstream comic now?

@TMF979Resurge 9 месяцев назад

Depends on who you're buying from Scott Snyder and Kyle Higgins and Tim Seeley? Even Jonathan Hickman when he gets better artists? All the ones you want to buy from Jason Aaron writes good dialogue, but his stories are very frequently straight ass, and he's a raging atheist who has a men's daddy issues and that colors a lot of his work, pretty invariably, really the only thing he has going for him I think is his Ghost Rider run from 2009 with Skin-Bender and the God-Butcher Saga, his own Ultimate Cap miniseries And I guess maybe Scalped and Southern Bastards (haven't read em in full, so I don't have a contextually experienced verdict) I'm probably kicking a hornet's nest here, but I honestly think that JMS is massively overrated, as is JR Jr., yeah Morlun's cool and foreboding, but honestly feels like he's just a fusion of Doomsday and Morbius and Dracula, And I've never liked John Jr.'s art, no matter who he's drawing with, every character he draws looks ugly as fuck, blood looks like jelly and ketchup, poses need some work I'm firmly in the #BENDISSPEAKISFUCKINGANNOYING crowd, And what irks me more, what really grates my nerves and grinds my gears is that he *_CHOOSES_* to write like that, cuz I've read certain arcs from early Ultimate Spider-Man and at least one arc of his Daredevil run, And he writes Ultimate Goblin like a villain should be written, verbose yet intimidating and threatening, has bad ass lines like "There is far more to me, boy, demand kind possesses the capacity to dream of" when Spidey's beating the crap out of him and then gets chokeholded and yeeted off the bridge, but nine times out of 10, all of his books, especially Avengers, everyone does that back and forth repeating themselves over and over bullshit He likes to do, like sitcoms for people with ADHD, where one character just says something smuggly with no context, The other person is just completely confused and clueless, first person repeats him or herself and refuses to elaborate, the other person repeats after them, they just stare each other dumbly or expressionlessly, Rinse and re-fucking-peat, and fights only last about five pages if even Not only that, from what I've heard, If he's starting a new run after someone else, he completely disregards what happened before to fit his own narrative and thus it just makes for serious contradictions and error, and you're left wondering what the fuck happened and why they're acting this way and why they just yell at the top of their lungs randomly like kids My problem is, he knows how to write differently but purposely chooses not to, he knows it pisses his detractors and haters off and he does it deliberately, but the problem is there's no variation, it works for a small scale story with street level stakes and experiences, not loud and fast and epic team battles, And it's why his Superman run is forgettable and why he didn't get a whole lot of work during his tenure at DC, it's not even cheesy, it's just fucking dumb Scott meanwhile is a master at symbolism and thematic parallels, he uses these obscure facts and explanations about animals and nature and scientific phenomenon to compare what's going on in the story, knows how to set up mythology and really crank up the ominous hopelessness the heroes have to fight against, treats his villains like forces of nature that can't be overcome unless the heroes pull out all the stops in a way that doesn't feel cliche, That really pulls you in and feels intimate and not just generic video game formula Kyle is more or less the same way, as is Tim

@kadosho02 2 года назад

The earlier issue knew what readers wanted: action, suspense, intense, cute, romance, then a build up. It did not feel sluggish Somehow the present.. almost the entire issue nothing really happens, it is slowed down. Near the end, then finally something happens. 🤔 I can understand the need to shift gears, but it makes overly sluggish. A build up of drama I gather. Note: I did buy the last ASM #1 reset after the Doc Ock arc from "Ends of the Earth" / Superior Spider-Man "the switcheroo" Why does modem #1 now feel so boring?

@jbbrolic 2 года назад

Modern #1 are not actually debut issues (ASM is actually 900 something) so it's false advertising which is part of it.

@kadosho02 2 года назад

@@jbbrolic I really wish Marvel would do better with their issue numbering system.

@bronzeagekid8223 2 года назад

What hits me in the face here is how the more “primitive” coloring of the 1990 book is SO much more effective and how utterly devoid of action the 2022 book is by comparison. I was never much of a fan of McFarlane, though. The GOAT Spidey artist I measure everyone against is John Romita Sr. and I think Ross Andru is maybe the next best after him, followed by the JRJR that started at Marvel before he changed his style for the worse.

@jointjunkieslangards 2 года назад

Wish the commentary was synced with the shots on screen. Makes it very hard to follow when the pages are going twice as fast as the VO Also feel that these would be more effective if it wasn't a page by page comparison but rather something like opening vs opening, middle vs middle, and closing vs closing, with one presented after the other instead of side by side.

@johnnyjamboogie6614 2 года назад

Todd’s art is awesome. His writing and pacing is great. I still read the tpb of this story. The other one seems dull. I was irritated and bored just by looking at it in this video. Again, it’s like comparing apples to smashed turds. Todd is an artisan while the current stuff is amateur hour.

@ryanspengler4877 2 года назад

This new ASM1 is the first Spidey I've bothered to read since the final issue of One More Day. I just haven't been able to give Marvel my Spidey money in the last decade and their CONSTANT renumbering is something I haven't been able to support because it SO spits in the face of their own pedigree and ignores the efforts of those who came before to add to the foundation of these amazing (pun!) characters. I know it isn't a big deal to many, but that number on the cover really does signify a moment in time that matters. The awful event-stunting and death-baiting have remained turn-offs for years and the fact that this title will ALREADY be relaunching with #900 in only 5 or 6 issues shows that they like stunts more than story. Writing for the trade has done irreparable damage, also, and prevented casuals from grabbing-and-going like they used to. JRJR is still great, which is why I gave this a look, but Marvel returning to the "club mentality" that we all lovingly fell for when we jumped in headfirst is something they should aspire to again. Trying to attract the movie audiences, the casual fans and the fairweathers have been dooming this hobby since about 2002, when Raimi's Spider-Man hit and made Marvel think that ticket-buyers were worth more than their monthly hobbiests. Marvel made me go from a $300/month habit back in 2003-2004 to a guy who has only purchased Daredevil on a monthly basis since then. I've become the old man screaming at the clouds, but I get the feeling that these companies sit around wondering how it's all going wrong while filtering out anyone who isn't towing the corporate line by following the ridiculous format of relaunch/renumber/kill someone/bi-yearly event book/kill someone again/introduce trendy new character/gender-swap someone/race-swap someone/renumber/repeat.

@KRZMETAL 2 года назад

Is coffee, eating, and texting the modern Marvel Style? I get they want to build mood, but Spider-man doing Spider-man things is what I’d want, not another deconstructed super hero.

@Goblingraphx 2 года назад

I do love this comparison and we can see the huge difference in story tell between the eras .

@psychodeviant8903 2 года назад

Once again look at the colors for the cover (and interior) of the 1990 comic vs the 2022 comic. That is really striking to me. WHY is it the industry mandate that even bright colors like red have to be "dark" shades of themselves? It's funny cause I remember very clearly back in the 90s Marvel was up in arms on the Spidey titles about how they were too dark and gloomy and Peter was too mopey and wasn't fun anymore. That was one of the main catalysts for why they tried to replace Peter with Ben Reilly, to bring the fun back to the Spider-titles, which had apparently been missing fun for a long time (don't agree with that but whatever). But here in 2022 everything is dreary, Peter spends the whole issue moping around, seems alienated and on the outs with all his friends and supporting cast. And again, that coloring reinforces that feeling of bleak and depressing. So is Marvel ok with it this time around? Also, I love this series. I hope you do a lot more, Perch.

@commentarytalk1446 2 года назад

Imho, Peter Parker/Spiderman's essence in story is: 1. He's not truly a Hero but a wannabe-do-gooder way out of his league and fortunately making a few bucks out of it too. He takes on enemies bigger, stronger, more experienced than he is and the "nuisance-factor" comes to his aid in over-coming them. 2. The plucky, uses agility and wits to get through the ordeals and/or lead to good outcomes with a combination of surprise, sweating, snappy one-liners of exclaiming relief (can't believe my luck!) 3. He's happy-go-lucky optimistic young adult with all his life ahead of him and the naivity to believe in good, truth and justice and happy endings (and romantic love!). It completely flunks with the modern maudlin, introspective burnt by experience of a cynical world take.

@Tyler_W 2 года назад

In terms of art in Spider-Man comics, I have a close connection to both of them. Todd McFarlane's Spider-Man work in ASM #301 during the Michelinie era was not only my first Spider-Man comic, but it might have also been my first comic book that i ever got back in the late 90s, maybe early early 00s. JRJr, however, with Straczynski on writing was the first time I got a true taste of how comics told a story, because they were the first time I got a series of issues that told a complete story. Much respect to Spencer's run, all thing's considered, but I don't think Amazing Spider-Man in particular has been in a truly excellent run since the Straczynski run when he first goes to Avengers Tower. It's a shame that Civil War almost immediately undermines it.

@maxfish4270 2 года назад

So opening each comic to a random page there is about an 80% chance of seeing something interesting in the 100- issue and about an 8% chance in 2022.

@badmojo7825 2 года назад

Spider-Man was Spider-Man doing MORE Spider-Man things in HALF the pages in 1990 than Spider-Man in 2022. Modern Comic art is not FULLY detailed, rendered or EYE POPING as it was just 15 years ago. MOST Modern Comic writers tell stories like they were wrote for a CW tv show! And that's why I STOPPED buying ALL Marvel & DC Comics 2 or 3 years ago. All that money and MORE I'm now spending on collected editions like Omnibus from the late 70's to early 2000's. And it is WORTH the money to see that GREAT art and read those iconic stories in oversized formats from great writers and artist like John Byrne, Louise Simonson, Roger Stern, Todd McFarlane, Jim Lee or a young Chris Claremont. It's a SHAME that Millennial writers are NOT as creative or imaginative as BOOMER or GEN X writers. I guess that's the difference between LIVING LIFE WITH Safe Spaces and LIVING LIFE AS IT IS.

@Born-Bitter 2 года назад

Again, fantastic video concept. Love this content.

@AustinCherry 2 года назад

So, if I am following what you are saying, digital coloring is the only thing that modern comics do better.

@saladinho1st 2 года назад

In the 1990 story, MJ gets boned by Peter Parker. In the 2022 story, MJ gets boned by Shaun King smh.

@DelmarDecides 2 года назад

I'd like to see one of these comparison videos but a little different. Take what would be considered 1 of the best current day Marvel books and put it up against an 80s Marvel book that was middle of the pack or lower. No Byrne, FF or Frank Millers Daredevil. Something that flew under the radar so to speak. Compare it too the best Marvel has today. I'd love to see the outcome. Not so much the sales difference but the story, art, and overall quality. Of course it doesn't need to be #1 issues.

@timothymarkin4481 2 года назад

I started reading Spidey in 1975 and was always a fan of guys like Ditko, Romita, Kane and Andru. I was buying the McFarlane stuff new off the stands and didn’t go nuts over it like the younger fans did. I guess it was exciting for those kids but at the time, I preferred Erik Larsen’s Spidey run over McFarlane. (Sure, there are some modern Spidey artists whose work I love, to add to the pantheon of Ditko, etc, but Todd is lower on my own list.)

@toomuch535 2 года назад

Exactly.I know this is the internet but todd is at the bottom barrel of spiderman artist especially in the 90s.todd brought new concepts to spiderman but he was not on the level with larson bagley and sal.todd just had the iconic spiderman cover.

@drakependragon8439 2 года назад

Proving again that classic good writing is way better than modern trash

@abloshow91 2 года назад

Elevator music vs heavy metal

@juuso7792 2 года назад

I actually thought Todd's first story arc was written pretty well and it's the arcs after this one that don't hold up that well

@hawkingjim 2 года назад

Simplicity isnt always bad. Sometimes you can make things over complicated and lose the audience.

@Plaguewarrior1 2 года назад

Perch: One Piece joke. Captain America: I understood that reference!

@fortcastellan1730 2 года назад

Modern Spider-Man doesn't look nearly as bleak as modern X-Men, but it still doesn't look like anything I would want to spend time or money on....How much of the comic was spent with characters just talking while eating? Even if you needed a scene like that, back in the day guys like George Perez would pack that into smaller panels (who needs repeated detailed illustrations of the interior of restaurant?) and finish off the whole scene in a single page. And then, they could move on to some action...

@natemachado9113 2 года назад

There are 4 covers of the 1990 version. Two bagged and 2 unbagged. Also there is the newsstand version, gold 2nd printing, and the Wizard inspired platinum variant. I always thought Todd was a pretty good writer overall. His stories vmcan move slowly, but the effort to entertain is there and there is nothing wrong with a simple story. Let's remember this was Todd's 1st go at solo story telling. Pricing, look this is where the industry made its major shift to direct market from newsstand. So thus began putting the premiere price on product because it was a captive audience that would pay it. Hence here we are in 2022 with no company remember the principle of price elasticity. Anyway I'm out of comics and no job so I can't buy the new Spider-Man 1. Having said that I'm sure Zeb Wells will do something just fine with Spider-Man. I always enjoyed Todd's Spider-Man and it'll stand up over time just on the art. And it'll sell to people over time because it's something all collectors will want. Selling Todd's Spider-Man as back issues was always super easy. So there you go.

@sometimesfriendly9839 2 года назад

Wow that 1990 comic looks good. That looks like something I want to go to the store for to get my heart racing.

@millernumber1 2 года назад

But what I really would love to see is JRjr vs JRjr, with the start of the JMS run in 2001.

@jemhoare2105 2 года назад

One is earnest, one is pretentious. One knows and appeals to their audience, one is writing for themselves and twitter accolades.

@BenKurth 2 года назад

I was fortunate enough to grow up in the 80’s and 90’s. Back when Marvel was a already a master at its craft and only getting better. Like most I was a huge 90’s McFarlane fanboy. However, I also loved JR JR work as well. My fist comic was the JR JR Stealth Iron Man issue. Loved that issue. Years later. The only comic that I ever decide to hang inside a frame on my bedroom wall was the silver issue of SM No.1 To me this comparison is pretty striking. Page two and three of SM you get a fantastic splash page. Page two and three of ASM you get text. Then finally after like a crazy number of (let’s face it) boring panel pages. Spider-Man finally, finally appears on page 20 something. *Face palm* pretty much sums that up. Todds “old” Spider-Man work inspired me to turn the page and marvel at what comes next. Unfortunately modern ASM is apparently pretty boring and mundane. Question is: what is my insensitive to buy ASM issue 2? More “compelling” pages of Peter walking around and playing on his phone? 🤷🏻‍♂️. But thanks for posting. It was a pretty fascinating comparison.

@johnwycough1955 2 года назад

In one Spider-Man book you see Spider-Man. In the other, you don't. It's simple.

@mattpod1970 2 года назад

Hey Perch, - love the channel! If you’re looking for suggestions I’d love it if you compared Byrne’s and Bendis’s Superman

@marcsarfati3291 2 года назад

2022 Sounds like A tic tock day in a life video

@fathersthoughts484 2 года назад

1990s are FAR and away better comicbooks. I also disagree with you saying McFarlane's story wasn't a masterpiece, EVERYONE remembers this story, you can't say that it's not when it's remembered so fondly.

@psnfailout000 2 года назад

What makes it a masterpiece?

@debapratimshyam149 2 года назад

Did the pics get out of sync with the audio? It got very distracting, otherwise this is a great idea of comparison.

@ComicsPerch 2 года назад

To avoid getting a copyright violation I can’t leave pages up long.

@tiredsentinel1724 2 года назад

In all seriousness, how can you compare anything to peak Todd? And why was the decision to draw Spidey’s hand facing down made for the 2022 cover???

@retropyro 2 года назад

I'll take the clunky dialog with a faster paced more action packed story over the dialog wasteland of deconstruction and subversion of today.

@goldendogs5398 2 года назад

Just looking at the art it is clear that McFarlane's art is more action oriented and it jumps off the page. While JRJR is a great story teller, the pace is slow and sometimes static. Put both of these issues in front of a kid and McFarlane wins every time. That said, comics today are made for 50+ year old men.

@mindandbody7971 2 года назад

Interesting from a consumer stand point, but from an artist's eye, you can see that Todd Mcfarlane (and all the other Image guys) were brought up with the Marvel Method in the use of "camera angles", panel choices, characters exploding out of panels and sequential storytelling. If people want a crash course in that: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-B5tU2PuRdU8.html John Romita Jr has never been strong in that method. His work is competent for story telling but it is FLAT and I've never seen him attempt to correct this. His figures never look powerful, dynamic or imposing. If JRJR was submitting under a different name back in those days, I don't think he'd get the work he's been given. I know it's harsh, but I'm just saying, I've seen artist submission rejections that blow his work out of the water. Coloring aside, if they were both in black and white, and on the shelf today, I can guarantee that it would still fly off the shelf with young readers because the design sense captivates.

@secretsquirrel6718 2 года назад

I didn't know they still made comic books. We used to buy them at 7/11. I have that 1990 issue.

@NotSoAmazing 2 года назад

Just like the X-Men comparison...a lot of action on the left, a lot of sitting around talking on the right.

@commentarytalk1446 2 года назад

Forgive the meta-comment: When anyone has High Quality as the topic or subject of discussion, (eg 1990 Spiderman Torment by McFarlane) there's SO MUCH MORE to talk about, share, enjoy and think "Dang! Life is Good!" Please do more videos focusing on the high quality subject chosen. It's more productive imho than the opposite which is very common on social media.

@Nothing-vl3ip Год назад

I like Todd’s Webbing, but my go to Spider-man Artist is still Mark Bagley, especially early 90’s Amazing Spider-man comics

@Kooster69 2 года назад

The bottom line: Does Amazing Spider-Man #1 (2022) want me to pick-up this series? Heck no! The writing is horrible! Zeb Wells relies upon two things for his Spider-Man: 1) Creating several mystery plots, where he knows what happened, but he's going to string you along for you to find out. 2) Putting Peter Parker's life in the dumps. I personally don't read comic books to get depressed, while also not finding out the major event that put Spider-Man on the outs with the entire MCU. And I don't need another sub-plot about something horrible is going to happen to Aunt May. A waste of a double-sized issue. Sounds like Marvel Comics gave JRJR a great page rate for Amazing Spider-Man. Unfortunately, I think, JRJR is going to be trashed on Amazing Spider-Man just like he was on Action Comics.

@Spongemonkey26 2 года назад

Erik Larsen was my favorite Spidetman artist, but Todd's right up there too.

@InfamyOrDeath-__- 2 года назад

lolz look at the bend in his leg on the cover, that looks ridiculous. Todd’s looks so much better.

@commentarytalk1446 2 года назад

Little details like that are telling. I'm wondering what it is all about? The 1990 Spiderman has imagery of spiderman almost sitting like a spider but as a human. There's an attempt to make a "what if... ?" believable manifestation. For example if you were trying to create a real-life version of one of the Greek monsters from their myths eg a Minotaur for example, it would have a bull's head with a massive bull-like chest based heavily off an enormous and muscular human. Now the 2022 - version: It's CLEARLY not even attempting that! It's pure digital where laws of physics are totally bent and not applicable: It's trying to be cheeky and silly-playful. My guess: It attempts to connect to the new generation brought up on digital devices where they FIRST reference their digital worlds and the real world is in fact a secondary reference to that digital world ! I'm not sure how conscious that actually is, but it gives that impression. The way the leg is so bent as to be a plasticine limb of a video-game character (eg the animation of the leg springing) it's such a different context to trying the above "what if... ?" real world reference depiction. Imho, I think the former art is much more superior in aesthetics (in design and vision), in decoration (entertainment and visual appeal) and in demonstration of skill and talent (technical ability), and the latter version is much more disposable, digital and gimmicky.

@CousinCreepy 2 года назад

It's an homage to Ditko that falls flat.

@InfamyOrDeath-__- 2 года назад

@@commentarytalk1446 Yes, the art in these older comics is far superior, the reason why the modern art looks better is solely due to new colors & techniques in coloring. But things like that bent leg drives me nuts, it just looks so wrong.

@martinadams8877 2 года назад

hey perch, howe about an analysis of the big comics crash of the late 90's? how much of that crash was the direct result of changes in comics in the early 90's? for example the comic speculators market (everything was a hot issue), multiple covers, foil embossed covers, holographic covers, events and crossovers (remember how bad operation galactic storm was?), change in the content to gore, guns and slashing, change in art style to huge panels, screaming faces and generally everyone emulating Mcfarlane and liefield. Personally i think all of the above was a fashion that drew in readers of a certain age and disposition while alienating older readers so that when the new readers grew up and left comics behind the industry crashed. wondered if you had given this any thought?

@bruceparrish6576 2 года назад

Almost as many variant covers as pages in the comic. This says it all. Just sad.

@craigwelter5862 2 года назад

So, the new one starts with a page with one full word on it, then a double page spread of... three words on a black background? Are they kidding making people pay for pages with almost nothing on them?

@GodParticleZero 2 года назад

I love how stuff looked on the old pulp paper and before photoshop. The modern style looks so digital and bland. Looking at that 2022 example...yeesh, just awful both in the artwork and layout

@gareckthetailor9918 Год назад

jrjr's stuff on superman year one was pretty solid so he can still be good lol

@drewtodd4471 2 года назад

My take is, while I like JRJR, his father was a romance artist. Todd goes back to a more Ditko vibe. Spiderman should be sort of creepy. As I understand, Todd didn't want to draw the black costume. I kind of understand. In one story, Peter has to wear it to go underground. It causes MJ distress because of Venom. Peter making his wife angry to catch a criminal is much more interesting than him eating breakfast.

@Hellismary 2 года назад

I’m not feeling the Jr Jr artwork on this new Spidey title. I feel like we moved passed this in a modern day Spidey book. That and the story is dull.

@FearMonarch 2 года назад

I can’t wait until 30 years has passed and no one wants to remember this era of Spider-Man (with the exception something outrageous happens like a A list new team)

@chrisballard6410 2 года назад

I was born not long after Todd’s Spider-Man was released, and it was one of my first comics. What I love about the comic today is how impactful it is as a spectacle, so stylistic it’s almost baroque, and the first half of Todd’s run is still a great mesh of horror and superheroics, especially when you get to the Hobgoblin. Todd had a wonderful grasp of pacing and composition, and it’s a fair trade-off for his captions or dialogue being unworthy of an Alan Moore or Grant Morrison. I still give it a solid 9/10. Likewise, I get a lot of grief for being a Tom King fan, and while I agree that he’s had his fair share of derailment, when he’s on he’s a master of story and panel-by-panel orchestration. His much-ballyhooed decompression fetish is one of my favorite tropes of his when it’s effective, and books like The Vision and Mister Miracle prove that it can be an art in its own right because he’s still giving the artist something to play with stylistically. The decompression in the 2022 Spider-Man is just boring and long-winded, and feels like a major disservice to JRJR’s talents. I hope the book picks up after this, but this isn’t the most auspicious beginning.

@jimdetry9420 2 года назад

Wow. I can't belive Spiderman is now so deadly dull. I'd have picked the comic up, riffed through it without reading a word and put it back on the rack. Are you stacking the deck by picking bad modern comics or are they representative? By the way, if Marvel still has an art director, why didn't he force a fix of Spiderman's totally distorted leg on the cover?

@theuglyinsect4093 2 года назад

Todd McFarlane was a rock star in the comic world back in the late 80s/early 90s. Growing up and being fortunate to be collecting his run on Amazing Spider Man with David Michelinie as it was happening is one of my finest memories of reading comics as a kid. He was like no one before him - his art was so different, so unusual, initially even somewhat divisive, but once you tuned in to what he was doing there was so much for your eyes to pour over and every $1(ha!) issue was a real treat. Unfortunately his adjective less Spider-Man book was a huge disappointment - I got sucked into all the hoopla surrounding it, bought every version made available. Took it home to read and was done in like 5 minutes. While the art was still amazing, the writing was atrocious and kinda a precursor to the crappy decompressed storytelling we have today. A lot about Todd’s (adjective-less) Spider-Man book marked the beginning of the end to me (especially given all the awesomeness in comics from the mid to late 80s)- the gimmicks, variants, art over story and all those guys like Todd and his ilk leaving to form image. I feel like Marvel and DC were never quite the same after that. But boy for a few years there the comic book scene was really wonderful.

@brianbordon6419 2 года назад

Torment should have been a three part story. Todd should have been paired with a co-plotter / scripter.

@rickrivers2021 2 года назад

For art, I prefer JRJR tbh I really don't like how Todd draws Peter and supporting Spider-Man characters. Also, Wells wrote good dialogue imo. The weakness in the writing isn't the words but the story decisions

@bluespaceman7937 2 года назад

Style versus Substance. I'll take substance most of the time, which is why I don't like Todd's Spider-Man title, but the art was sure nice back in 1990.

@SpiderWireless 2 года назад

29 variants? Good grief.

@skytowergnome4664 2 года назад

You know if you ever get a chance I think it'd be fun if you and your daughters did a review of the old HannaBarbara superhero shows.

@BitingComics 2 года назад

I had this issue (I might still have somewhere). My thoughts at the time was that it had great art and a very meh story. Looking back at it, that hasn't changed. This new version, that I haven't read, looks like it has good art and an even more meh story. 40 pages for $6 though is pretty decent value, you'd think they'd have used the space better. They probably could have told this story in half the book and reprinted McFarlane's in the other half and people would have been pretty excited about the value of it.

@BrianLCS 2 года назад

I have always consider Todd's art some of the best we've seen on Spidey. JR JR's work seems a little clunky in comparison. I'd rather have a simple story, then have to looking up references or asterisks with all the details.

@skytowergnome4664 2 года назад

The 2022 comic was mostly a collection of talking head shots, boring. Worse boring at 6.00 dollars. I can be bored at a lot less expense.

@GenghisDon1970 2 года назад

I recall McFarlane's writing letting me down in time, but it is still no contest; 1990 obliterates 2022 as a buyer at the time, McFarlane spiderman WAS expensive. I think that issue 1 was bagged & had cards or something?

@Lazarus1095 2 года назад

Too decompressed; too lacking in grandeur. The individual pages are not fun to look at. Yes, I see the problem. 2022 Spider-Man may tell an interesting story if you read it through, but viewed from a distance? It looks boring.

@GenghisDon1970 2 года назад

Spider-man 1 was well into Todd McFarlane's spider-man days (amazing 298+) began years prior. I do not think it WAS a jumping on point, it was an "expansion time!, lets cash in" point

@Alexanderbendo 2 года назад

reading the comments... 90 percent of the differences in art styles are the ARTISTS and not the time period in which they are drawing. Romita Jr has been around forever and his style is pretty consistent. There is a strange fascination with eating and talking in modern comics not sure what's up with that.

@marklaurenzi1609 2 года назад

Todd McFarlene got some blowback for being too dynamic. Jr got, approval. Dynamic McFarlene versus trusty, reliable, plain toast Jr. People like McFarlene dare, people like Jr are there. Bottom line, Jr's art, though competent, is not comensurate with it's fame. It's even keel versus groundbreaking and we know which one gets remerbered and/or revered.

@adamfrey4920 2 года назад

...rise above it all!

@GodAesthetics 2 года назад

I read the new amazing number 1. I won’t be buying anymore. It’s terrible.

@ogreofgormley 2 года назад

Superheroes are supposed to be ideals that overcome obstacles, we had that in the 70s through the 90s. Nowadays it's nothing but depression. These characters are being written by sad sack writers who don't understand story or the characters that they are supposed to be shepherding. I would rather these characters all be retired and the big two follow a Japanese model of creating something new. But it has been shown time and again that they lack the creative spark to do such a thing.

@gareckthetailor9918 Год назад

2022 had a decent enough first issue til the last 2 pages lol

@Spidey5554 Год назад

De la obra maestra de Tormento no vas a estar hablando

@InfamyOrDeath-__- 2 года назад

I hate how Romita Jr draws faces, everyone looks like an ape, this is not as bad as he’s DC work, that was absolutely horrendous. Everything was covered in black lines, it looked like Batman was wearing a pinstriped suit, so bad.

@drakependragon8439 2 года назад

The kids in the 2022 book call MJ "mommy"

@commonsense5199 2 года назад

Perch can you have an interview with Ken Garing so you can help promote his The Book of Gogor, it launch now.

@rickrivers2021 2 года назад

Randy is not Tombstone's son lol

@UelCarter 2 года назад

Todd is not the goat. His faces were moon shaped ala mack the knife the McDonald's spokesman. And his lizard plot was stylistically taken from Walt Simonsons Thor. Doom!

@retropyro 2 года назад

Romita Jr.'s cover art ...that bent leg triggers me

@bretts8070 2 года назад

So much wasted fluff on the right, characters talking for pages and pages and pages and pages and pages, christ almighty the comparison reminds me why I hate what modern "superhero" comics have become. This same problem happened in the Halo TV show, mostly boring @ss $h!t punctuated by a few random blips of actual interesting content and action.

@drakependragon8439 2 года назад

You could not do a real Spider-Man in 2022 #1 or there is no real comparison because 2022 there is Mild Moraless having stole the mantle and the title and failing sales.