Spilling a pan of Bolognese sauce into a cooktop / venting / downdraft / countertop hob extractor 

Thanks, always great to hear the videos have been helpful 🥰

Hi Shoobbie, I'm glad you're finding them useful and I hope the demo goes well. Feel free to email me your favourite features that clients don't know about to help inspire the next video :-). Steve

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Thanks, I'm glad you found it useful :-)

Hi, >it seems...you cannot have an oven beneath the hob Correct. Normally, you would not have an oven beneath a venting hob. The extractor motor takes around 20cm of height. There's an exception to this where in my business (because we have a lot of control over how things are made) and selecting particular ovens, you could. However that would be not very ergonomic and just because we could doesn't mean we should. >good to know if you can have a cupboard above it. Yes, you can. Over induction hobs most manufacturers say cabinets can be as close as 45cm if I remember correctly (it's model specific so you should check), however that impedes your view of the pans so if we must have cupboards over we'd look for 70cm clear of the hob surface. This dispay in our showorom: www.roots.uk/display-wood-effect-kitchen has 68cm space. > ...full beginners' guide for those of us considering this as a solution but for us to understand the pros and cons of each overhead and down draft units If you're local, we talk through these details as we design your kitchen 😁 If you read through the other comments here that talk about the pros and cons of these venting hobs vs wall mount extractors. I'd love to make more videos (they're fun!) so I'll add this to the ideas list. Hope that helps. Steve

House Build > Great position to be in! I'm just a little envious already. So, for recessed ceiling extractors, remember to consider/allow for a little flexibility in final joist position if you plan for the motor to fit between the joists. Also, remember to think about how you'll reach the extractor to remove the filters for the dishwasher (and carbon filters if you're recirculating). If you need a step ladder, plan a home for it - lest you reach to change the filter and step through the glass hob surface 😱

Honestly, cleaning it up seems easier and less of a mess than if you didn't have the extractor and had to wipe all that bolognese off the stove top.

Hi Robin, that wouldn't be a problem as the fan and motor is at the top of a U bend shape and the pull of air wouldn't be enough to carry liquid against gravity. You can see the motor from underneath the hob at 2:56 and anything that gets past the metal grease filter and the liquid catch tray would land on the removable bottom tray. On this model, the carbon filters are after the motor (actually accessible at plinth level - see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.html). I could have run the extractor (I did before the video as I heated the sauce to make it runny) but my sound recording skills aren't quite up to doing that well (see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SBfysIfETlg.html )

I'm sorry I can't name a model that's perfect for everyone. Our recommendation changes depending on our customers needs. We like Miele, Neff & Bora models but remember we're a small business and don't get to see and play with every manufacturers products. The choice is often a factor of price, installation (how and where ducting connects, space taken inside of cabinet) and aesthetic (see the 'black and brass' video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EXzvBNbloK8.html - this Bora model is all black whereas the Miele in this video has stainless steel).

All the models of this style I've seen close up (Miele, Neff, Bora, Blaupunkt) and other brands I've quickly looked at all vent to the back of the cabinet* then regular ducting continues down to the floor with bends as needed. This often affects how the cabinets are constructed (allowing enough space behind back panels, having removable back panels). Drawers work but are often shorter to allow for the ducting (eg: 45cm deep instead of 50cm). Normally these take up around 20cm of the top of the cupboard, so rough dimensions a typical 3 drawer unit of 72cm high (common size in UK) has a full 28cm bottom drawer, a usable half of the next 28cm drawer and no use of the 14cm drawer. *oh, and some of the models allow venting to left and right too, instead of out the back.

@@RootsKent great response, much appreciated

@@RootsKent I put in a 355 at the bottom for more pots an pans. With a 175 for a cutlery tray. And a dummy 175 for my neff t48td7bn2. Found the 140 would of shown up abit on the motor

Yes, most induction hobs (and all the venting hobs I can think of) need a dedicated 32A supply. That's known as a "radial" and goes directly to the appliance from the fuse board (consumer unit / where the trip switches are) as opposed to a "Ring Main" which can serve multiple appliances that use much less power (and have a plug fitted with a fuse of no more than 13A). There are a couple of built in induction hobs that can work on a 13A plug but as they can access less power they cannot heat things as fast. Several hobs also run on 20A. Generally, the higher power hobs are nicer to use but the lower power models cost less (to install as well as to buy)

> will there be a video about Bora No plans for a Bora video, I don't have one on display :-) > strong enough for removing the big smoke? ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.html to help decide if this style of extractor works, (My view: I think they are as effective as wall/overhead extractors + video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SBfysIfETlg.html talks about how to compare noise & extraction rates between models) > do I need to build a pipe underneath to let the smoke go out? You don't *need* too but it's good if you can. You can recirculate the air through carbon filters which remove the smell (I show them in ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.html). Ducting is better for most people and most of the time but getting suitably sized ducting into islands can be difficult. Ducting is not so good when you're aiming to achieve very low environmental impact in a building (as you're moving all your warm heated house air outside)

Hi, there were two drawers below that hob. The good thing about drawers is they are easy to remove if ever you have a big spill or need access for another reason. Most of these style of hob are about 20cm high so that always loses the top drawer space but the remaining 50-60cm of your cabinet can still be drawers. Eg if you have 2 fronts, the lowest is a deep drawer and the top drawer gives a thin drawer for cutlery/cooking things. From the front it would look still like a normal 2 drawer cabinet. I'm happy you liked the video 😁 Thanks Steve

The fan motor is below the hob (seen at 2:56), overall height for fitting is around 200mm so you can still use the rest of the cupboard/drawers below that. At the back of the motor is a duct connection that can either recirculate back into the room or be connected to outside. You can see the white ducting at 2:56 coming out of the motor and turning down through 90 degrees. I should probably also say that different models and manufacturers vary a little from this configuration so check carefully the detail of the model you're looking at and how it should be ducted. Although some extractors have outside motors I haven't seen any of this style of downdraught/vented hob that don't have the motor as part of the hob, but I'm sure someone can reply with the exception if it exists!

So, all manufacturers we deal with (Neff/Miele/Bora) now offer this so on that basis we're doing it for clients. At first I was nervous and we have a new working display that I will test some more (when I get time to make another video... Please like and subscribe 😁 it does help my small business) but my instinct is it will be fine.

Oh, and I'm on hols so can't check, but I'm assuming that still includes the recirculation /charcoal effect filter in the model you're talking about. Also, only in island design, never against an external wall (else condensation issues)

Yes, but I don't think that wouldn't be a problem as the fan and motor is at the top of a U bend shape and the pull of air wouldn't be enough to carry liquid against gravity. You can see the motor from underneath the hob at 2:56 and anything that gets past the metal grease filter and the liquid catch tray would land on the removable bottom tray. On this model, the carbon filters are after the motor (actually accessible at plinth level - see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.html). I could have run the extractor (I did before the video as I heated the sauce to make it runny) but my sound recording skills aren't quite up to doing that well (see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SBfysIfETlg.html )

Hi Perla, two options: a) Duct outside through floor, Pro: Takes smells outside, no carbon filters to replace - Con: Takes warm air from inside to outside (increasing your heating bill), not all floors can have ducting fitted after (in extensionru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.html talks about what extractors do and pros/cons of duct vs recirculation and shows a carbon filter (if I remember correctly, a while since I watched it!). Both options work, I'm just on the edge of preferring ducting through floor if both options are possible but recirculation is absolutely fine in my experience. Hope that helps! Steve Feb - Aug 2022: Hi reader. If you're feeling generous, please consider donating a few pounds to my personal challenge to climb a mountain. All donations go directly to 3 chosen charities. More about why I'm doing this here: www.roots.uk/expedition-w3w and you can jump straight to the donation page here sponsorme.charitiestrust.org/event/cbdf1e64-4af4-4905-865d-49ebaedb105b

Hi, I have but I haven't had any close up time with Novy. For between Bora X Pure and Miele I'm happy with (and we sell) both. Picking between them is often a combination of aesthetic, dimensions (how it works within the furniture, especially with ducting connections or clearances required according to the model instructions), and of course price.

That's true, but that wouldn't be a problem as the fan and motor is at the top of a U bend shape and the pull of air wouldn't be enough to carry liquid against gravity. You can see the motor from underneath the hob at 2:56 and anything that gets past the metal grease filter and the liquid catch tray would land on the removable bottom tray. On this model, the carbon filters are after the motor (actually accessible at plinth level - see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.html). I could have run the extractor (I did before the video as I heated the sauce to make it runny) but my sound recording skills aren't quite up to doing that well (see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.html and ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-SBfysIfETlg.html )

Sorry Anika, we only work in East Kent.

Thanks 😊What do you call this type of venting / downdraft /2in1 product in Czechia please?

@@RootsKentHi only what i found its Integrovaný odsavač par. Integrated steam extractor. But extractor hood is: digestoř. Di is read as your word digit. ges is first part of guest and toř is only in our language and ř are not able to speak other slovanian languages. its only in Czech. You can search how to say Ř in CZECH

@@davidbarta8799 "Integrated steam extractor" That's a very logical term! thanks 🙂

Not if fitted correctly! See ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-2OoqQHAcpSQ.htmlsi=PfNfDbjrGO_aZ1pj&t=51 , this model has it's carbon filter at plinth level and ducting carries the air between hob and plinth down the back of the unit. There are new instructions now where manufacturers are saying you don't need ducting but to do this you should have a complete/solid back panel to the cabinet, and a route for air to escape from behind the cabinets (at plinth level or elsewhere) I'd like to do some experiments with those but I need more free time to make videos :-)

It depends on the model, ducting/recirculation options and manufacturer, but if you're at early stage then budget between £1,500 - £3,500 (cleaning by Steve not included)