I would say way bigger than that. Goku and Beerus almost destroyed the macrocosm, which contains multiple confirmed 5D Infinite/Infinitely expanding Universes. And Black Frieza clapped Goku and Vegeta who are millions of times stronger than that
@@DrShiba-jg1me the macrocosm statements were debunked and the truth is a concept which is hyperversal making him stronger than dbs goku because the statements were debunked the truth also has control over all alchemy which uses biblical spiritual essence.
(For people who think frieza has experience over goku) course frieza is like 15 years older than goku but frieza didn’t start fighting hand to hand combat until he is almost 40 years old but started fighting sense he was 10 yo so goku gets experience
Goku has more experience because even if frieze was pretty old even before goku was born, he never had any training or battles, he always easily clapped them, so he never gained experience until he fought goku.
Hilarious how the only feat Black Freeza has shown is sucker punching Goku and Vegeta after they were extremely weakened, but everyone seems to know exactly how powerful he is and what he's capable of. I'd say I'm impressed, but this is the Dragon Ball fandom after all Btw, Feeza is my favorite character after Beerus, so none of this i write to undermine him, i just find the whole situation ridiculous.
Well, this is simply how DB Works. The moment you're stronger than Base goku you automatically become multiversal+ even with the lack of feats. I mean, Zalama is literally the strongest dude in DB and one of the strongest in anime, and he's wasn't even been shown on the screen once💀
@@DrShiba-jg1me No. Frieza was stronger than UI and UE Goku and Vegeta. They were fully powered up and healed when they were going to fight Black Frieza. He wasn't stronger than Base goku. He was stronger than True Ultra Instinct Goku
@@funkyplayer228 I know. He said that it's weird that we can scale Frieza by simple fact that he defeated Goku and Vegeta, and I replied that it was always how it worked and gave an example with Base Goku
That is simply not correct, first of all you have to take in account Black Frieza also one shot zombie gas who was actually giving goku and vegeya trouble, goku and vegeta at this point had already been healed by monaito and its stated that he can fully heal after doing it multiple times. Goku and vegeta were basically already back to their full strength, and in their ultra forms and then black frieza one shots them so you clearly didn't read the manga lmfao
@@randomviewer7161 well genjutsu works on people without chakra also as chakra = ki ( verse equalization ) But 1st form frieza just speedblitzes and neg diffs the verse 😂😂
If you think about it, we havent seen a full powered tui goku vs black frieza, he had already been heavily damaged before frieza dealt the finishing blow
@@randomviewer7161 the truth is the truth God the one almighty knowing everything everywhere over the concept of time God God GOD what to prove the truth is tier 0 what proof do you want?
truth gets no diffed by piccolo 💀 Truth isnt that strong, his hax arent good, nor the strength or speed. he is just immortal and omnisicient in his own verse
first of all goku meliodas and madara don't get experience in any way : Meliodas indeed lived over 3000 yrs but he literally just walked around the world looking for his bit*h watching her die again and again that doesn't give you experience of any type except from suffering Madara only lived for at least 250 yrs that's more then frieza i guess but still at the age of 30-40 he literally lived in shadows. Goku ( i don't think i even need to even argue this one ) Secondly Truth doesn't do shit.
Frieza gets experience he is really fking old And for people who think frieza is just a thousand years old he’s older than that frieza is on the millions in terms of age but beerus is older than him
@@RedEditz7 frieza isn’t 200 he has conquered so many many planets throughout his entire life and frieza is even older than master roshi and roshi is 300 years While frieza was conquering some planets roshi wasn’t even born yet
@@xxxxxxxxxxxxx3985 Yeah but the problem is that the verse is entirely fodder That’s like telling the president of the US that you’re more powerful than him because you’re the leader of the biggest clash Royale clan, like okay? How is that going to save you 💀
@@champsarr9392 Yeah okay great joke, even Krillin > Truth Truth is the Supreme ruler of the 4th dimension and lower Anyone above 4D would trascend Truth and Therefor obliterate the verse Even krillin is above 4D 💀
do you know about black freiza? he has only been training for 10 years and hes way stronger then goku in his last form state and vegeta if he trained like for another 40 years who knows how strong he could be
Bruh for meliodas he gets Intelligence/experience, and skill. Obviously it wont help him but i don't like meliodas being lowballed. Intelligence/experience - He has lived for 3000 years and has most likely learned a lot within that time. When he fought ban he came up with a plan in less than 10 seconds, which in that fight he was highly destined to die. Skill - He definitely has learned so many tricks within the time he was alive, sword combat, martial arts and etc.
im not tryna sound like an sds mega fan but meliodas violates before you spam reply saying im wrong meliodas literally cant die it is a curse given to him by the demon king where he legit cannot die so no matter how many times frieza kills him meliodas is just going to come back
