@cfgoscuba2 So true, first TvZ Ive seen where Trrn doesnt go vessels. I think it's in a way the cockiness of Flash. He knows hes so good the first he proxies his racks, trying to bunker him in, then he goes the whole game without irradiate. LOL.
@kmdarkmaster Zergs've been devastating with hydras in PvZ, but now tosses have mostly learnt to survive early hydra boosts, while the lategame is even with gas units being huge for toss and cracklings+defilers for zerg. Terran is ok in the beginning of TvP, but later on it's hard for him as it's typically 5 base vs 3 base and gates are twice the number of factories by the time terran is maxed out. Don't judge only by Flash - he's very good in beginning and multitasks very well.
@ivar197 i am talking about recent msl osl finals, look how many terran player has won finals recently only flash and fantasy, thats it, watch it from 2008.
i like this tvz , because many times ppl hate science vessel and claim is imba, but flash just says, fuck it i dont need it, i just rely on bio for a moment and then move to mech , total success.
@gundamz My guess that terrans like Fantasy, Leta, Baby have some chances against Flash. This game was brilliant by both players. Flash bunker rushed Soulkey, and it changed all Soulkey's plan. He already got the upper hand, and controlled the game since then.
@champignones Hope Jaedong would recover to his old self when he was the BOSS, thos Flash/JD games were EPIC. Now JD is like when Jordan returned to play with the Wizards... a shadow of his old greatness...
Just WOW. Seriously, you can't win with Flash without cheese. He was in such bad situation, Soulkey with half of the map and knowith Flash's strategy and he still fought back only with vultures against hydras. That's pure gosu.
@champignones T>>>Z, P>>T, Z>P. On most maps, terran is imba vs zerg as zerg just can't counter m&m&tanks&vessels at the Lair tech with 2 bases. Zerg always needs Hive to resist terrans and usuall even if he manages to get defiler conume and survives the big push, he's still at 2 bases and it's GG.
@ivar197 as i said dont bring the ever to me, we are talking of modern starcraft, also statistics take also very good players stats as well, flash is destrroying everything and that inflates the stats for T as well, people should really stop complaining about tvz, it isnt imba as you claim it to be, look at zvp, i am more worried about it than tvz. and that says nothing, good preparation owns any stats, the fact is flash is so much of a better player that make any matchup look imba.
@vasjaforutube1 people without bw knowledge shouldnt be able to talk, starcraft is more complicated than just races, there are some things called metagame, that make the game shift. also players who are really really good, make the race look really really imbalance, thats why i respect such as jaedong, he just doesnt care about the maps, or current tvz stats, and starts whinning he just prepare and can beat any player only to this.
TvZ is currently 60%-40%, but if we remove flash from the equation that makes, tvz about 55-45, which makes flash to contribute to these stats by a 5% , JUST WOW, stop whining about race and whine more about the player.
the fact is there is no such terran dominance, you have to realize matchups are map dependant and in some seasons maps will oriently help some race more than others, but that makes the race automaticclly imba?, no, , but then people like to citate all time bw, and they forget old time bw was the past, people dunno nothing about muta micro, swarm, and etc. nowadays, we can surelly say there is no race visibly being better than the other. (thou protoss are surelly very weak history-wise.)
@kmdarkmaster what you have said make no sense, if you analize the data from starcraft from various terran and zerg players, you can realize its all player dependant, in 2009 JD dominated the bw scene so hard, some people were complaining about zerg, and its understandable, but there is a point where is annoying as hell, zerg have no reason to whine over nothing, the only race who trully should be whinning is protoss, thou jangbi give us some good tasty revenge.
soulkey just played really bad mid game after great start, pure hydra/lurk vs mid tech timing push = gg to greedy with expanding/hive tech and not enough units
@kmdarkmaster yes really you are the blind one, the fact is all other terran player fall in tournaments as flies, the only ones who perdure are the very good ones, there are more zerg player in top 10x kespa than terran or protoss, so i dunno where that logic came from
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