What they mean by 90 mph is that when the ball leaves the catcher's glove, it is travelling at 90 mph. It aint travelling at 90 when it reaches the baseman.
thats actually pretty impressive. not only do they throw just as, if not more, accurate, but they throw just as fast, AND they throw from a kneeling start. cathers- unsung heroes.
Pretty cool, but I wish they would've gone into a bit more depth. Why is 75% the 'best success rate', for instance? What difference on the play does it make if the pitcher throws a curve or changeup instead of a heater? How much of a benefit is it if they do a pitch-out to get the catcher prepared for the throw? What about the mechanics of stealing third? Still, pretty great to see it all broken down into numbers like this.
2.0 is about the major league average. Monsters like Yadi have pop times around 1.7 so they are the times you hear about most often. source: my catching coach in college played in the Yankees farm system.
What they didn't take into consideration is that what if the battery swings, the catcher has to stay back just a little bit longer which can change it all
It surprised the hell out of me when I found that out. Thats when I realized that being a catcher is probably one of the hardest positions to play in the Major Leagues.
A big flaw with this is the fact that catchers from behind the plate don’t throw it 90 mph to second base, and the average pop time of a catcher in the MLB is around 2.00 seconds
And I looked it up, a 90 mph fastball takes around 0.35 to reach home plate, 0.45 seconds is the amount of time an 86 mph fastball takes to reach home plate
Fastball is the hardest pitch to run on but you can get lucky if it's off target, the catcher has to adjust both his glove and his body to make an athletic throw to 2nd.
The most important thing to stop a steal is for the pitcher to hold the runner close to the bag...I'm a catcher and even Yadier Molina can't do anything if the pitcher's not paying attention
would of been interesting if they pit the 2013 Jacoby Ellsbury against the 2013 Yadier Molina. Or even better but totally impossible 2004 Dave Roberts against 2013 Yadier Molina. that would have been a cool example of the best base stealers against the one of the best catchers.
happened already, "Hamilton was called up to the major leagues on September 2, 2013 and made his debut on September 3 against the St. Louis Cardinals as a pinch runner for Ryan Ludwick. He stole second base off Yadier Molina and came around to score on a Todd Frazier double." the thing now is to see if he keeps it up, if he does he could very well be one of the greatest base stealers in the majors.
Hellfire1535 i meant without the distraction of a batter and just purely off of time but ya i watched it live and hamilton made him look silly with his speed :)
I don't know how fast Hamilton can clock in at there are also other variables besides the attention the pitcher is giving the batter. Like the bigger lead a runner has off the base the less time they have to run and how good of a jump they get when they decide to run. weather is also a concern as wet ground can be slippery and dangerous for a base stealer also this may sound silly but some base stealers are better stealing off of different catchers regardless of that catchers pick off percentage. example: While ellsbury can be good stealing a base while molina is catcher it doesnt mean he would be good at stealing a base from a lesser statistic wise catcher saltalammachia But the biggest of all is how predictable the stealer is. If the pitcher and catcher know the runner is going to go they can work out the pitch so the catcher can grab it easily and fire it to whatever base the runner was trying to steal and mow him down with all these variable's even a person who has superior physical traits wont necessarily be better than a slower guy even though being in better shape improves your odds. Its runners who can have both an effective base stealing method and the physical traits that separate themselves from the rest.
Another flaw, if I'm not mistaken not a single catcher threw a ball 90 mph to second base last year. I believe the hardest was 88 mph by Sanchez, and that's above average.
I never heard a 75 % success rate is necessary to make it statistically worthwhile to steal a base. Around 2/3 is the most I have read is needed to break even, a little higher or lower based upon the run scoring environment-when it home runs are less likely & there is more of a dead ball sort of game, then it takes a bit lower rate of success to make it worthwhile to try, risking an out to make scoring 1 run more likely.
your pitchers blow. Also, it's not a knock on catchers, it is a completely different throwing motion that you cant get your whole body into, and you have less time to get full range on your arm rotation because you're trying to get rid f the ball so fast, naturally that will cause you will throw slower from behind the plate than of the mound
catchers position is the hardest position in baseball, i have nothing but respect for catchers. by the way i throw upper 80's low 90's from the outfield. keep working on your arm strength it will get you places. trust me
Right fielders tend to have the strongest arm on the field, and 90 mph for a catcher usually only happens in mlb, thats why they used an mlb player instead of a single a player and pitchers usually have to worry more about technique than power because if they threw 70 mph they probably wouldnt be playin pro ball.
no. the pop time would be 2.0. 0.9 for the time to get the throw off and 1.1 from the time it leaves his hand to the time it reaches the ss's glove. I thought the same thing untill i watched it again
I play OF, Pitch, and Catch... I still cannot throw 90 from behind the plate, and maybe not from the outfield, and no way from the mound. You have to be a monster to throw 90 just standing up and releasing.
First thought: If a catcher can throw 90, with equipment on, out of a crouch, to a spot no larger than a batter's strike zone twice the distance away...why is he catching instead of making more money doing less work as a pitcher? I need radar-gun proof that catchers are flinging 90 mph heat from behind the plate.
I'm a Giants fan, but this video would ahve been 100% better had you gotten Yadi and not this joke who by the way only has thrown out 22% of runners in his whole career where as Yadier has thrown out 48% of runners in his career, and has been in the top 3 in caught stealing percentages all nine seasons he has played.
You'd be surprised. Average MLB catchers throw from home to second is 95+ mph. So in short, yeah, a catcher can throw as fast as their pitcher. sometimes faster.
why didnt they consider non fastballs? i mean a change up, curveball, slider,etc arrive to the plate much longer.. then there are even more factors such as if the pitch is near the ground or chest level not a good report by sport science =I but i still love them :)
Or they can only throw in one spot...right down the middle. You could throw 105 but if you leave it over the plate then you will get smashed. Also just because they can pitch doesn't mean they like to.
+jake brewer I one stole second this year catcher didnt throw, no one covered the bag and I covered the bag with the dirt mix lolol, right after I took a walk.
This is all assuming that you steal with a 12 foot lead and the pitcher throws a 90mph down the pipe and the catcher has a cannon for an arm, if the pitch is a breaking ball and the catcher can't throw 90, you'll be safe by a mile
