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Spotify Will Stop Paying for Streams? 

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@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
Why don't you have my new sample packs? djpain1beats.com/sound-kits
@legendsflashback
@legendsflashback 11 месяцев назад
They had to pay Eminem 129,000,000 MILLION now (for past decade) of getting 62 billion streams as of yesterday. That's why
@TheDiamondShoppeBeats
@TheDiamondShoppeBeats 11 месяцев назад
If I have to pay for distribution to a platform, I want every cent (or fraction of a cent) generated that is owed to me. I don't care how little it is.
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 11 месяцев назад
Facts. I don't care if I have to glue my portions of pennies back together, I want them all. In a "fair" system this would be common sense, but it isn't fair, and common sense isn't so common nowadays.
@808nzaro
@808nzaro 11 месяцев назад
youtube: No payments to uploads, we pay you when you meet requirements spotify: subscriptions to upload AND you dont get paid
@ginoblackofficial
@ginoblackofficial 11 месяцев назад
💯
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
@@808nzaro Agree 200%
@TheErinnAffect
@TheErinnAffect 11 месяцев назад
that's what I'm saying!!!
@TheTonyTitan
@TheTonyTitan 11 месяцев назад
I totally disagree with Dame. Most of us watching this are in the group of folks who will be MOST affected.
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
Agreed 💯
@Ganjahandler42
@Ganjahandler42 11 месяцев назад
Yeah it felt very gatekeepie
@majormindsbeats7740
@majormindsbeats7740 11 месяцев назад
This is a perfect time for another streaming site to come along and take over
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
The consumers don’t care though
@prodTrakfusion
@prodTrakfusion 11 месяцев назад
Not really. It will just confuse the heck out of musicians who've already got most of their music uploaded to Spotify.
@majormindsbeats7740
@majormindsbeats7740 11 месяцев назад
@@prodTrakfusion welp why keep music somewhere that said they not paying you? Rather then going to another app that ill whats confusing about it?
@saxmanash
@saxmanash 11 месяцев назад
​@@DJPain1it would have to be a back end thing to get musicians to join up but also offer more value and exclusive features than Spotify does.
@imivsimi
@imivsimi 11 месяцев назад
take from the poor and give it to the rich... a classic
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
Sounds like Dame is working for the Streaming companies, if an artist earns 1 dollar in streams in a year off their art, what right does this company have to withhold the artists earned money. This extra withheld money will mainly go to major label artists. Artists need to stand together for a better overall deal for music artists. Streaming companies are looking to divide artists, letting the small indys and artists fight for small bread crumbs. This will be legalised theft.
@JEFFMAN90
@JEFFMAN90 11 месяцев назад
He doesn't give a shit about artists that's why
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 11 месяцев назад
​@JEFFMAN90 that's not entirely true. I think he does, to some extebt at least. I don't agree with him here, but there's a reason he's been so successful.
@michaelgraham8295
@michaelgraham8295 11 месяцев назад
thats like i got to work today and worked maybe an hour and left.... so i dont get paid for the 1/8 hours out my piece of the pie?
@ClassEBeats
@ClassEBeats 11 месяцев назад
I get what you're saying but if it were my company, I wouldn't want to pay you a dollar for simply uploading a song and getting 100 streams when I can pay Drake more to bring in more listeners and generate more revenue.
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
More Erinn please, this is about ethics and fairness. We dont know how much a stream is really worth. A stream should be at around approximately 40 cents per stream for one song, to allow people to be fairly paid for their art.
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 11 месяцев назад
I echo the sentiment about Erinn. I really appreciate her takes on most topics, as well as how she fights for the small guys. 40 cents will never happen though. It'd be cool, but those are pipe dream numbers.
@nilespeshay1734
@nilespeshay1734 11 месяцев назад
How much should it cost for me to keep my collection of gardening magazines in your closet? Why would it be okay for me to dictate that price to you? You're talking "ethics/fairness" about a business...existing in a capitalist society. Market determines value. A stream is worth whatever the streamers say it is. That may or may not be "right" - but it's the system, that Spotify didn't make, that we (Americans) live in.... UNLESS you wanna classify Spotify as a +utility+. If everybody's selling milk for 10$ a gallon... then that's what milk is 'worth'. Your options are to find another (cheaper) source for milk, if you can, OR start your own dairy. But, until then it's illogical to say, "we don't know what the value of milk is".
@ThreeSixFive
@ThreeSixFive 11 месяцев назад
40 cents would be wild. I’d love that but it doesn’t even seem like a tenable thing for a streaming company
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
@@nilespeshay1734 how much are you generating by holding digital magazine copies in an ever-expanding closet?
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 11 месяцев назад
​@DJPain1 I'm trying to do the calculations, but my calculator is giving me laughing emojis.... I must be inputting the numbers wrong 🤷‍♂️
@maxgothamofficial
@maxgothamofficial 11 месяцев назад
Producers are going to be affected by this, bar the top 10%. On beatstars the majority of purchases are made by artists who have few fans, followers etc, if they now realise that they have no possible way of earning money then they why would they even bother buying beats? investing all that money with little to no return, or even just the psychological concept that they "might" make back the money if they keep pushing. The trend will follow that producers will continue lowering the cost of their beats (it is already happening) and it will end up at the point where exclusives are being sold for a few bucks. The amount of producers pushing out free for profit beats are already sharply rising so I don't know where this is all going to end up to be honest. If all producers pulled together and started increasing their prices, stopped giving [FREE] downloads [I include myself here] then things might go back to the way it should be. Producers are getting the absolute shit end of the stick, but in hindsight so are artists which in turn affects the producers. It's a domino effect, I really wish artists and producers pulled together and tell the labels to go F themselves and tell Spotify to go F themselves. RU-vid are also doing some shady shit, I had over 100 beats up on one of my channels and it started pushing each video via impressions to werid muckbang videos and a load of other videos from asia and the middle east that had nothing to do with music, and views continued dropping sharply. Rant over, I'm just really fed up with the way things are going right now
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
That’s a really good point
@HooliTV
@HooliTV 11 месяцев назад
Spotify probably runs their own bots. You will have to pay them to get paid. It's a racket
@HooliTV
@HooliTV 11 месяцев назад
@@SingKiaMuze exactly 💯
@FRANKRICECOLD209
@FRANKRICECOLD209 11 месяцев назад
Well If The Big Artist Were Truly Supporting Of The Art Of Music They Should Speak Out To And Support Independent Artists BUT I Doubt That Will Happen
@TheTonyTitan
@TheTonyTitan 11 месяцев назад
This is going to end in a class action lawsuit
@JimJones4Life
@JimJones4Life 11 месяцев назад
Agreed...royalties are required by law per performance/reproduction. Spotify can't pick who gets royalties or not they only control who can use their platform.
@apexone5502
@apexone5502 11 месяцев назад
That's what I was thinking. There's only so much playing with people's money that the people are going to take before they break out the pitchforks, ropes, and torches. I feel this new 'I've altered the deal' styled deal is going to backfire on Spotify via litigation.
@beatsgalura
@beatsgalura 11 месяцев назад
I hope so!
@J77199
@J77199 11 месяцев назад
No it won't
@derrickbelmar
@derrickbelmar 11 месяцев назад
Well all of us independent artists should unite and stand together and make a change because it's hard to get a 1000 streams on each song when some playlists are run by labels and some playlisters don't wanna put your song on there playlists because they feel like your song don't fit there playlists and another thing we ain't gonna get more money they stealing money from us.
@djgarybmixesit
@djgarybmixesit 11 месяцев назад
Why don't artists just boycott Spotify?
@baller396
@baller396 11 месяцев назад
They will
@drakehasbula5557
@drakehasbula5557 11 месяцев назад
because they depend on it
@JEFFMAN90
@JEFFMAN90 11 месяцев назад
Because majority of music listeners unfortunately use Spotify
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
The streaming model is not Sustainable if the majority of artists work for free and don't get paid, but a corpate company is making millions off free content and art. People will get wise and realise this eventually. A system based on model where the artist is almost working for free is destined to fail eventually.
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 11 месяцев назад
​@@bobpriest6388do you think bypassing streaming services and going straight to consumer is the answer then? I see a few artist doing this, but the majority don't even attempt it.
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 11 месяцев назад
I hate to be "that guy" but if we make assumptions on past experiences, and history in general, I think we know whats going to happen here. The rich will get richer (for the most part) and the rest will be left to the wayside. Do we really think anything is going to change? I pray I'm wrong, but 37 years on earth will make you question things 😂😂 like ones sanity for instance 😅
@clubdoompsx
@clubdoompsx 11 месяцев назад
Give em an inch, they take a mile. It might start at a 1000 stream threshold, but slowly over time they'll amp it up to 10k. Cause that's what them leeches do. Edit: Dame responding with the same "more money" shpeal over and over again to every single concern the others have ain't convincing bruh 😂 either git good or stop bootlicking
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
I love Erin she is correct about the influence of UMG working with streaming companies on all of this, ultimately the small artists will be crushed, more money for the major companies.
@JAYSPLASHMUSIC
@JAYSPLASHMUSIC 11 месяцев назад
depends on the threshold. Lets be real if you generate 15 cent a month you are virtually making no money either way. The cost of wiring money to you is higher fee lol. If the threshold is around 1-5$ I feel like that is %100 fair business. They are providing the platform for you to upload music. If you virtually generate no money the labor of keeping your music on their platform outweighs the money your track generate. Theres NO POINT in paying you 50 cents a year. They can use it to said allocate yo labels and artist who ACTUALLY GENERATE streams. Small artist will not be crushed because they dont even have a foundation to be crushed yet lol
@d-1beats
@d-1beats 11 месяцев назад
I remember tho last month they were going in on the guy from Heatmakerz as Pain mentioned about him being wrong about the relationship of UMG and Spotify But as this recent article showed while UMG don't own Spotify it displays the type of power and influence it has while not even owning it
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
@@d-1beats this I agree with, but we still need to hold ourselves to a higher standard of accuracy
@sooesoss6063
@sooesoss6063 11 месяцев назад
Small artist are already being crushed!
@FRANKRICECOLD209
@FRANKRICECOLD209 11 месяцев назад
They Are Trying To X OUT / Get Rid Of Independent Artists THE LABELS GOT TO THEM / Spotify WOW
@iamcgbeats
@iamcgbeats 11 месяцев назад
That’s the best thumbnail I ever seen 😂😂🔥🔥🔥
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
Why cant people see these streaming companies are not in the small artists or indy labels intrests. Why does Dame think these streaming companies will be fair ?
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 11 месяцев назад
This your first time here? Lol 😂😂
@HeavenlySaviour
@HeavenlySaviour 11 месяцев назад
Can we just go back to CDs when people cared more about their music. This streaming game is disgusting
@WassupFred
@WassupFred 11 месяцев назад
Yea i Def respect shorty.. and what she’s saying.. umg and the majors been had a hand in streaming.. they are not going to loose. Hopefully that threshold is low. I will say that, when I first started, getting 0$ royalty checks totally sucked but once I made my first 5 cents, it put the battery in my back to learn and generate more! But they low balling is from gate.. they are not going to make this easy
@crochambeau
@crochambeau 11 месяцев назад
If "independent" distribution channels like distrokid are going to take a financial hit on this, it won't surprise me if the distrokid (as an example) user fee structure increases to compensate for that loss of money in the bank - at which point this would absolutely impact all the smaller players through the price of admission.
@brettolstadt2577
@brettolstadt2577 11 месяцев назад
Either way you look at it… Spotify sukz baughs!
@sooesoss6063
@sooesoss6063 11 месяцев назад
"THE PLAYING FIELD WAS BECOMING (EVEN) AND THE STREAMING COMPANIES ARE GETTING PAYOLA/ PAID OFF TO KEEP THE INDEPENDENT DOWN AND THE MAJORS UP" I CAN SEE THIS AS CLEAR AS DAY... this is why you dont hear the majors complaining... they have the power to make change, but there fine with the cover up of the true money being made off of all of us.
@iamdamore
@iamdamore 11 месяцев назад
Spotify is giving you less than a penny! It’s a waste of time to discuss this in my opinion, unless you’re a big artist. My thoughts are to become more valuable to the marketplace then you could name your price create merchandise and shows to really make the money you deserve. There is way much music coming out every day. Music that’s not that good. so Spotify is a company that’s going to protect its interest! which I totally understand! as an artist protect your interest by becoming a better business person, and making yourself more valuable in the marketplace as a artist!
@Prince.Mykal.Vision
@Prince.Mykal.Vision 11 месяцев назад
Lol.... these new proposed rules are literally illegal. But the music industry is not regulated, so the only way to deal with this is by exposing this for what it is, class action lawsuits, and some lobbying on behalf of independent artist. Bruh on the bottom sounds like he's paid to not understand why this is criminal, or he's legit brain dead when it comes to matters of intellectual property and commission based payout. This is NOT the same as "market share". Erin's analogy of owning property hit the nail on the head perfectly, this is like gentrification for the streaming platforms to nullify the effects of non-major label artist on streaming platforms; and improve the position and financial holdings of major label IP's on Spotify. Its designed to create a disadvantage for independent artist, skewing the playing feild in favor of 'signed artist'. Making it look more attractive being signed to a major label.
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
Yep, but who has the money? Labels.
@Prince.Mykal.Vision
@Prince.Mykal.Vision 11 месяцев назад
@@DJPain1 Good question, but that's why I feel there should be further legislation or regulation regarding the handling and exchange of monies in the music industry. With regards to distribution and streaming we need TRANSPARENCY, period. Overall It's a double edge sword, because on one hand I hate to see any privately owned business (smaller companies) be forced into state or federal regulation unnecessarily, but when an industry has historically buit its business models on robbing and exploting the working class (in this case artist) to 'unjustly' line the pockets of the major labels there needs to be some rules (transparency) in order to curb and limit the corruption. I'm not saying all labels or all deals are bad, but there needs to be an equitable solution that allows for independent artist the same legal protection and earning potential as the majors and thier artist.
@kearyalaniz
@kearyalaniz 11 месяцев назад
Glad to see you back! Exciting stuff.
@MBlissettMusic
@MBlissettMusic 11 месяцев назад
You shouldn't have to pay until you reach a certain threshold then.
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
😮
@fanfickk
@fanfickk 11 месяцев назад
Why do we only value highly productive artists? Some artists are prolific, writing hundreds of songs a year. Others write one song every few years. It has nothing to do with the quality of the art.
@SOO100BRAND
@SOO100BRAND 11 месяцев назад
I still don't understand why producers run to these tech companies instead of building your own website in 2023
@wormsali
@wormsali 11 месяцев назад
No one's losing money, calm down. You just won't get your money UNTIL you reach the bare minimum ie RU-vid. Lazy artists have flooded the system and this will hopefully be more fair for ACTIVE artists
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
It’s a streaming threshold to make royalties; not a payment/royalty threshold. Is this new information? Where are you reading this?
@theubc
@theubc 9 месяцев назад
FUCK YOU I HAVE 150K STREAMS ON ABOUT 900 SONGS SPOTIFY PAYED ME 299 BUCKS TOTAL THIS SHITS FAKE
@FRANKRICECOLD209
@FRANKRICECOLD209 11 месяцев назад
So Why now Should We Pay For Song Distribution From DistroKid And BeatStars And Others DistroKid And BeatStars NEED To Get Involved And Talk To Spotify...
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
I agree the distribution companies will loose out or are they in cohoots, ultimately the streaming model is bad, unless all artists are paid a fair sum for their music.
@PMEnt
@PMEnt 11 месяцев назад
When I heard the news about this at first I was mad cause I do get low streams but thinking about it for a while it makes me want to work harder so this doesn’t effect me as much at least with the first point. I think that this could be a wake up call to the artist that dont take it seriously to work harder to be a full time artist. So they can get their bread.
@interaktiveaudio
@interaktiveaudio 11 месяцев назад
If All the artist worldwide upload the same song for one month straight on every streaming services we are going to give hard times to everybody
@ClassEBeats
@ClassEBeats 11 месяцев назад
🎯
@duanewall
@duanewall 11 месяцев назад
Yes Pain, It doesn't matter if a song gets a single stream in a year or more, that song is someone's intellectual property and they've decided to sidestep the entire intent of Title 17 (that supposedly protects the intellectual property) and not pay for the use of the property. Whoever agrees to this move, their music needs to me Napstered.
@therealdiemondbeats
@therealdiemondbeats 11 месяцев назад
Universal Music Group (UMG) have a have a multi-year global license agreement with Spotify. So of course it will mainly benefit them in the long run somehow. What's funny is all those lofi artists that have millions of streams that don't have a name or label on the credits... There's plenty of them yet nobody still knows who they are. If you really want to go against bots and fake followers and streams then penalize the actual artist/playlists by deleting those accounts. That's what's actually harming the payout. Not a few cents for a few plays. There are other ways but they want the easy one.
@Pauxthabeatmaker
@Pauxthabeatmaker 11 месяцев назад
Thank you DJ pain 💯💯💯
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for listening
@beatsgalura
@beatsgalura 11 месяцев назад
Can they do a Class action lawsuit against Spotify for this?
@dooshnukem32
@dooshnukem32 11 месяцев назад
"I don't think it's a big issue" That's a fat L take, Dame. IDGAF if it's $.40 - it's _mine._ I made the music. I learned my craft. I paid to have it distributed. If I don't promote it, that's on me, sure. But if it generated revenue, regardless of how little, it belongs to me full stop. You can look down your nose all you want, but that attitude is garbage my guy.
@rorybezecny2248
@rorybezecny2248 9 месяцев назад
You're not a hobbyist if you are trying to make something happen and just lack promotion knowledge and skill and I think this is the case with a big percentage of people loading music onto Spotify. Right now you have to hit 1k streams per song to get paid. We should start laying down bets now on when they raise it 5k and then 10k. I say by 2026 we'll see an increase to the threshold.
@JFredric
@JFredric 11 месяцев назад
Spotify just Begging to get Canceled .. You either die a hero or live king enough to become the villein 😝 Thanks Bruce Wayne
@LVEMRE
@LVEMRE 11 месяцев назад
Seems like as a community of indie artist at this point it would be more beneficial for us to try to come together and start a streaming service specifically for NON MAJOR indie artist. Indiebops streaming service😂😂😂
@Crookedletta601
@Crookedletta601 11 месяцев назад
Erin crushes this entire debate at 16:34🧨🧨🧨🧨🧨🧨💥👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾🫵🏾🫵🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾💯💯💯’ered❕
@EvaEva-lh2qb
@EvaEva-lh2qb 10 месяцев назад
@Erinn - - Thank you for your intelligence and eloquence in making your points.
@sooesoss6063
@sooesoss6063 11 месяцев назад
"Erin stop trying to be diplomatic.. Stand on what you believe, you see the Fuc-ery as clear as Day"
@LennonStephens
@LennonStephens 11 месяцев назад
To say that there are a ton of people who have paid a distribution to have their music featured on spotify, and they simply don't care if they collect royalties is nonsense. That they never open their artist account to even look...come on bro that's a silly statement. The article suggests it as 17 streams a month avg.
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
Agree 💯
@BillyPaulWilliams001
@BillyPaulWilliams001 10 месяцев назад
Erin is right, without ethics this will lead to more injustice for Artist.
@kid_rajah
@kid_rajah 11 месяцев назад
I agree Erinn and Pain is right. Me and other new artists will literally have to grind and figure out how to make streams count, those who are no label artists just uploading to distributers, will get penalized the most and from there will enforce better positions for labels. For me this is a good and bad thing because I believe in labels because I am signed to a label but I also don’t like it because the label im on is relatively new. This means that my label can have the liberty to get more money streaming, however it also means the grind to that could crush us as an ethical business.
@legendsflashback
@legendsflashback 11 месяцев назад
😆 They had to pay Eminem 129,000,000 MILLION now (for past decade) of getting 62 billion streams as of yesterday. That's why.
@str8jakkett
@str8jakkett 11 месяцев назад
So does anyone think it would be a good idea to take all of your music down from streaming and away from distro and use your social media to drive traffic to your website where supporters can listen to stream and buy directly from the artist?
@boybandz80
@boybandz80 11 месяцев назад
How do they expect up and coming artists to grow
@is-qs2ej
@is-qs2ej 11 месяцев назад
why do we still need them? don't we all have paypal /email/personal websites? this is a serious question team. The internet started breaking everything from politics to the music industry and we the creators who fuel the whole business are still getting reamed. Why do we still need them? Please address this question guys. I don't think we need to bow to these middlemen any more.
@crnkmnky
@crnkmnky 11 месяцев назад
Because most people don't want to do the work to cultivate and maintain an audience. _Especially_ without these centralized middlemen.
@is-qs2ej
@is-qs2ej 11 месяцев назад
I don't know if they have any more secrets@@crnkmnky . It seems the most that we lack before we can all gladly cut them out is money to try and match their budgets. but once we see we don't need to compete with them, we will learn we do not need them. when we turn the tables, we will certaiunly attract some of their talent this way. I know there have to be at least a dozen execs embedded within it who regret being on that side. We gotta unionize and strike or something. when do we stop selling ourselves short?
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
I agree 💯
@LVEMRE
@LVEMRE 11 месяцев назад
Realistically the game is sewn shut by streaming serves. Who is going to take the time to get an app on their phone just for 1 or 2 of their unsigned favorite artist and use the space to download the song and all of that. Unfortunately, the convenience of streaming has killed the ability of the artist to cultivate a financially sound career in music. On top of battling random algorithms. Best bet for anyone who wants to make money from their music is to get big enough to stay doing paying shows. You not gonna make money from streaming without a giant label paying and pushing you to the forefront, and even then you gotta pay that money back.
@is-qs2ej
@is-qs2ej 11 месяцев назад
@@LVEMRE streaming may be the way the most consume. but there is an untapped market that still have and or use, radio, cds, vinyl and cassettes. we forgot about us, we forgot how to network. I can remind yall. this very channel is laying the blueprint real clear. if you want me to spell out the plan, its very easy to explain, but it is a long read. they got us out here fighting over scraps from the corporate pie while the homemade pie rots on the vine. all it would take is a handful of people in key positions. just like the whole team cant all play quarterback, the whole squad can't all be rappers. some will need to make the music, while others move the music and monetize the music. support underground radio. support college radio, support your fans, etc etc. yes, none will want to hear from, or believe some unknown guy kickin the facts but that doesn't change the truth of what I'm saying. we do not need their help to create, own, develop, monetize and enjoy and enjoy hip hop. labels were an option that we mostly ignored all other options for, to the point where now they look like the only way. truth is if every artist stopped fking with the music busiiness they will eventually run out of ways to manipulate old tupac and taylor masters. We would regain ownership of the future of the culture as soon as we decide to stop signing everything over to them.
@TechTronix01
@TechTronix01 11 месяцев назад
Its all about the business and less about the music, day by day.
@imivsimi
@imivsimi 11 месяцев назад
Dame... you cant compare youtube with spotify... apples and oranges..
@DJJohnnyTapia
@DJJohnnyTapia 11 месяцев назад
Well what's to stop spotify from moving the goal post again. LOL.. they barley paid as it was..
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
Literally nothing is stopping them
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
💯
@michaelgraham8295
@michaelgraham8295 11 месяцев назад
bring back signed cds and vynls.....make the music more personal and valued more vs the streaming model of .000000000000008 lol. if we get paid a milli milli penny it feels like we getting paid crypto coins....
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
cds and vinyl have never left. it's all about consumer behavior, that's it.
@nine27
@nine27 11 месяцев назад
this is the beginning of the end for streaming services. and we already knew the music industry as we know it was over. this is great for visionarys. and of course dame doesn’t have a problem with it cause people like him are apart of the problem and why that ses pool is the way it is. phuc spotify
@MarkEDark
@MarkEDark 11 месяцев назад
All streaming services rip off poor musicians sad but true !!!
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
@@MarkEDark 💯
@nine27
@nine27 11 месяцев назад
⁠@@MarkEDark true but musicians need to stop with the poor attitude and treat this for what it is a business. And this further solidifies that.
@derrickbelmar
@derrickbelmar 11 месяцев назад
​@nine27 And they need to start acting like a business and pay us regardless this is our art our creative work they think they slick wanna pay big artists and label.
@nine27
@nine27 11 месяцев назад
@@derrickbelmar what do you honestly expect if this is the way things have been with all artists getting paid next to nuthin and excepting it. And think about how much music that is loaded daily on their servers that no one pays attention to. So they are thinking like a business. They are cutting overhead on how much they gota pay their IT to keep their infrastructure stable. And with them already being in bed with the majors the way they currently are now I don’t understand why some people are so surprised. It’s time for people to think outside of the box. The real creatives will figure it out and succeed. They always do and models always change. The future is near.
@christmauricemouvenguiibou6623
@christmauricemouvenguiibou6623 11 месяцев назад
She's all the way right!
@ShawnMonnstahMays
@ShawnMonnstahMays 11 месяцев назад
I had to pause this for this purpose. I’ve heard it mentioned several times now about the artist who are listening to this podcast has there ever been a survey/pole taken on what tear or class that the artist/creators that listen to this podcast are in? 19:14
@crnkmnky
@crnkmnky 11 месяцев назад
We are basically across the entire spectrum, from -50 to 200. A survey would be cool, but difficult to verify. Ninjas be cappin & trollin.
@redangelsophiasvideoproduc92
@redangelsophiasvideoproduc92 11 месяцев назад
You say that anyone who cares about their music is not going to be affected by this Spotify change. Frankly, I think that your position is _extremely_ optimistic. In today’s social-media-driven world, there is more to it than just caring about your music. You also have to be very savvy about promoting yourself -- and caring about your music does not automatically bestow that savvy.
@hiphopheaven
@hiphopheaven 10 месяцев назад
With 100k songs dropping every day on Spotify and most people only listening to big artists a ton of songs won't reach 100 streams, no matter how low it is artists should be payed for their streams. I'm always against the youtube treshold.
@ClassEBeats
@ClassEBeats 11 месяцев назад
I'm with Dame on this one, Spotify is bleeding money and can't afford to hand out participation trophies to everyone who uploads a song. As long as the threshold is reasonable and attainable then meet the threshold or don't get paid. Seems like a fair deal to me.
@ClassEBeats
@ClassEBeats 11 месяцев назад
@@SingKiaMuze It is a participation trophy because like it or not, the fact that my 8 year old song can record, upload, and distribute a 1 min song of him singing Mary had a little lamb and I can stream it one time or several times and Spotify has to write him a check is not a sustainable business model. It’s one of the main reasons Spotify hasn’t been profitable since day 1. It’s an extreme example but you get my point. And then you’re saying he should get paid a penny for that one stream? Either the industry would collapse as we know it or you would have to pay $200 a month to listen to music on Spotify.
@ClassEBeats
@ClassEBeats 11 месяцев назад
*8 year old son
@Prince.Mykal.Vision
@Prince.Mykal.Vision 11 месяцев назад
Lol... Spotify and other streaming services are NOT transparent with what a stream actually generates, so... the notion that they are bleeding money is bulls#it. Their business model may not be sustainable, but I guarantee Spotify, and their corporate affiliates (major labels) are pocketing much larger royalties than they are owing up to, and then distributing less than crumbs to independent artist who are creating the content that is producing said (undisclosed) revenue.
@dereklorrigan1313
@dereklorrigan1313 11 месяцев назад
Companies that can pay Joe Rogan $100,000,000 to come onboard aren't bleeding money. And WTF, Dame? What do you get for towing the industry line?
@Spaceymusicusa
@Spaceymusicusa 11 месяцев назад
I mean Spotify is their company they can honestly do as they please. You can't tell Jordans to drop their price on us because we don't own it. Best bet is make ur own website or as crazy as it sounds make your own streaming platform Really can't be mad at the players
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
I agree, except Spotify doesn't manufacture or make music, we give it to them for almost free and the streaming companies make the money off artists labour. Nike at least has to pay to manufacture their products, Spotify can choose not to pay bread crumbs to small artists.
@Spaceymusicusa
@Spaceymusicusa 11 месяцев назад
@@bobpriest6388 yea the Jordan shoes wasn't the best example and yea it's a tricky situation with Spotify Cuz the consumers don't care if they getting their fav artists music for cheap that's all they want And I doubt we gonna see any type of major Indy artist boycot t on this situation
@the_yungchubbz
@the_yungchubbz 11 месяцев назад
Dame sound like he was “in the room” too!
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
He’s more in the room than I am given that he works for a distributor 🤷🏽
@DocIsh
@DocIsh 11 месяцев назад
RU-vid is free, so i disagree. Because you have to PAY for distribution to get on DSP's
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
You have to pay to get your music on RU-vid with contentID royalty collection
@DocIsh
@DocIsh 11 месяцев назад
@@DJPain1that’s totally different, RU-vid was a free platform that creators where able to upload their content for free. Which they still can, their music videos etc..
@CountJayeAndTheHardBeats
@CountJayeAndTheHardBeats 11 месяцев назад
Can't compare to RU-vid. RU-vid is paying for advertising on your videos not for your actual work.
@d-1beats
@d-1beats 11 месяцев назад
Personally I believe Dame is being dishonest, being willfully ignorant. Cuz I remember a month ago, Pain and Dame going in on Rsonist of Heatmakerz after he accused the big labels of owning Spotify (which isn't true but...) as given this recent news and as Erinn alluded to before, these major labels such as UMG are the ones who license their popular music to Spotify and its competitors. So therefore when news come out like the topic of discussion in this video, the people who are negotiating and reworking these rules ARE LABELS LIKE UMG and shows the power/influence they do have as Rsonists was basically saying So this is why I say what Dame is saying is disingenous cuz everytime I see these business articles in videos or in print, as Erinn mentioned, it includes the big labels like UMG so to act like this isn't a possiblity or an actual reality is crazy
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
And also works for a smaller (than UMG) distributor so he has insight into the market that I don’t
@d-1beats
@d-1beats 11 месяцев назад
@@DJPain1 I doubt that smaller labels than UMG has the influence to shape those negotiations as they do but my point is you and Dame has been in the industry for a minute and the way y'all was acting like these big labels don't own or at bare minimum have control/influence over Spotify etc is what tripped me But good show tho
@bobpriest6388
@bobpriest6388 11 месяцев назад
@@d-1beats 💯
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
@@d-1beats never said any of that
@salena2254
@salena2254 11 месяцев назад
Needs to be a platform that's independent friendly and remove the indie artist's music from Spotify. It's not right when independent artists paying money out of their own pockets to pay for studio marketing producing and etc and sounds like they are taking the independent artists' money and giving it away no matter how little it is. If that's even correct, are they counting the streams right to begin with.
@metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx
@metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx 9 месяцев назад
It’s called soundcloud bro. U been living under a rock?
@salena2254
@salena2254 7 месяцев назад
Not a bro and already known about SoundCloud referring to the financial aspect of it.
@metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx
@metalxmetalxmetalxmetalx 7 месяцев назад
update ur right. soundcloud is trash@@salena2254
@namenlosNamenlos
@namenlosNamenlos 11 месяцев назад
We just need a new alternative music streaming monetizations at this point.
@crnkmnky
@crnkmnky 11 месяцев назад
_Dame & Pain & Erinn K_ (nobody actually says it out loud, except for a 💋🎙️🎛️ over-produced vocal drop) _The Rootin' Tootin' Fresh n' Fruitin' Virtual Happy Hour_ _Everybody Hates Dame_ _Producer Dramarama with the __-MEC-__ Gang_ 🤜 _How to Give Lucian Grainge Them Skibbity-Paps_ 🤛
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
that first one... you want us to get sued by IHOP
@phillipfrancis9373
@phillipfrancis9373 11 месяцев назад
What is the name of you guys Distribution?(DSP)
@carlosp.1846
@carlosp.1846 11 месяцев назад
With all the NFT sh*t , can't believe there is still not a viable decentralised blockchain platform replacing this biased royalties distribution.
@eyoo369
@eyoo369 11 месяцев назад
It will be the future but the problem is the price of NFT's skyrocketed and then crashed which temporarily loses trust in people. Similair thing happened to the internet bubble back in 2000. Many internet companies were raising huge valuations and it all crashed down. That didn't mean the internet flopped, just wallstreet bankers profiting off a new paradigm. Eventually Amazon, Google and Yahoo survived. Same thing will happen with NFT's, most people have absolutely no idea what this tech is about and how it will empower them massively in the future.
@everyneed3959
@everyneed3959 11 месяцев назад
Them Spotify bots are gonna come in handy now 🤖
@DirtyRed
@DirtyRed 11 месяцев назад
This is unlawful and we will file a class action lawsuit against Spotify for stealing all monies owed to each artist. Here's why. You have to pay money to use spotify premium services so if someone pays to use the service then in turn listens to my song that I created I deserve to get paid for that stream because it was my song that got played df it's not hard it's literally robbing peter to pay paul.
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
Good point
@plaidgadjo
@plaidgadjo 10 месяцев назад
I have three albums on Spotify (soon to be four) which will be 37 songs on the platform. My songs on Spotify generate small royalties that go to my distributor (along with royalties from other streaming platforms) and I'm paid once a threshold of $100 is reached - which happens several times a year. While not a lot of money, it ends up being a decent chunk for repairing or upgrading equipment. Spotify will now be stealing my royalties and giving them to bigger artists. How is this fair? It doesn't seem legal to me to just refuse to pay royalties on intellectual property that you are streaming (no matter how many plays). I'm also curious where the "1000" came from. Why not 5000? Maybe next year...
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 10 месяцев назад
🎯
@theubc
@theubc 9 месяцев назад
MF I GOT 150K STREAMS ON ABOUT 900 SONGS SPOTIFY PAYED ME 299 BUCKS TOTAL THIS SHITS FAKE
@XEngravityX
@XEngravityX 11 месяцев назад
I was selling my music of universal music group which is spinnup and it was the worst experience I had. now the music industry is getting worse damn life hits hard
@a6gittiworld
@a6gittiworld 11 месяцев назад
Super trio. The Three Piers.
@wormsali
@wormsali 11 месяцев назад
If you don't meet the threshold you aren't making any money anyway, certainly not enough to offset your distro costs, get real😂
@theubc
@theubc 9 месяцев назад
MAYBE THEY SHOULD GET A BETTER SYSTEM TO DETERMINE WHAT IS A FAKE STREAM INSTEAD OF MAKING PPL THAT WORK HARD FOR YEARS ON MUSIC PAY THE PRICE
@akumenmusic
@akumenmusic 11 месяцев назад
I don't understand how there are two sides of this conversation. They are relocating money, for low streams, and this guy dame is arguing "Well some artists will get more!" Bro, how are you taking their side. This is a bad decision, for every artist. No one should be happy about this, getting more money at the cost of others, why are you even giving them an argument.
@J77199
@J77199 11 месяцев назад
How do we follow the other 2? You gotta post their IG and stuff
@bobbybones6631
@bobbybones6631 11 месяцев назад
I agree with Erinn! 💯
@nunoandradebluesdrive
@nunoandradebluesdrive 10 месяцев назад
Every cent I make is my cent, so I want it and thats it! Thresholds even if its for 100 streams or less multiply by thousands or billions of musicians its a lot of money. - so this for me is not negotiable! It's an outrage! In fact I'm suspecting that this is the major labels trying to get extra advantages.
@CountJayeAndTheHardBeats
@CountJayeAndTheHardBeats 11 месяцев назад
1000 streams per song per year minimum. I will start focusing on other streaming services once that happens. Will remove most of my songs and stop pushing Spotify and whoever else will follow.
@datboijayw777
@datboijayw777 11 месяцев назад
Robinhood in Reverse 🔥
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
That’s what Ari calls it
@lovelegacy500
@lovelegacy500 11 месяцев назад
"The Threshold" That would be a Great Name !
@TheBeatHatahs
@TheBeatHatahs 11 месяцев назад
From an Admin pov. Think this is more about allocating an employee(s) time involved in the pay out process or group that oversees this process. Just a thought 💭
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
Employees of Spotify or the distributors?
@PeterRobb-dv6ku
@PeterRobb-dv6ku 11 месяцев назад
I only record for nostalgic purposes but it is still my property that should be paid to me regardless of popularity. And a big shoutout to my only streamer in Poland “good on ya mate” if I lived closer to you I’d buy you a beer
@sooesoss6063
@sooesoss6063 11 месяцев назад
STREAMING SERVICES SHOULD BE CALLED: "FUC U WITH NO GREASE STREAMING SERVICES" brought to you by take it or leave it broadcasting!
@klender_nothing2lose
@klender_nothing2lose 11 месяцев назад
Thanks for your post... so helpful. For me, it's time to BOYCOTT SPOTIFY! This is so bad for our industry, especially for up & coming songwriters and artists. Spotify's litigation history proves that they don't care about creators; they care more about lining their pockets. Working artist?... yeah right... Time will prove that a lie... Please stay on this topic whenever possible.... let's go. Thx
@phantasytv5878
@phantasytv5878 11 месяцев назад
I love when the lady talk...she speak truth
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 11 месяцев назад
Mildly angry Dame has got to be one of my most favorite personalities 😂😂😂😂
@JEFFMAN90
@JEFFMAN90 11 месяцев назад
He's always defending these labels who screw over artists
@emptytombprod
@emptytombprod 11 месяцев назад
​@@JEFFMAN90"always" is a strong word to use. I'm not in agreement with him here whatsoever, at least not until we have all the facts, but that's just part of the pods dynamics. It'd be boring if they all agreed.
@prod.kaverr
@prod.kaverr 11 месяцев назад
I think it will help more people to actually make a living from music who want it. If u makin like 20 streams no way u taking it seriously.. I agree with that intellectual property argument tho, but overall I think it’s positive
@okaydmuzikkk6771
@okaydmuzikkk6771 11 месяцев назад
Exactly. This is gonna force artists/ producers are gonna have to either go back to getting signed to a label again or going back to doing youtube channel for monetization. So basically alot of people are prolly gonna stop making music all together. Hopefully everybody stop useing Spotify... n maybe Spotify will go back to how it is now. Shit is lowkey fucked up tbh 😂😂😂😂😂 cause I just started uploading music to distrokid!!!! I guess we going back to promoting apple music 😂
@prodTrakfusion
@prodTrakfusion 11 месяцев назад
What people forget is that, they may own the intellectual property to the music they make, but they don't own the coding, programming and streaming analytics/data. Spotify can play the game way better because they're hosting the music. Instead of it being B2B, it's B2C. Music listeners benefit from Spotify more than the artists. Spotify has the listener's best interest. I sell subscription software for a tech company at my day job. Correct me if I'm wrong.
@gremiosempre108
@gremiosempre108 11 месяцев назад
Bring back selling Cds, tapes, Vinyls. Fk all this streaming BS. We are getting ripped off.
@J77199
@J77199 11 месяцев назад
Publishing is not paid by spotify as far as I understand. They pay streaming royalties, which is different and not governed by statutory rates
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
Please don’t leave comments like this on my videos. This is a space for education and not misinformation
@WilliamAshleyOnline
@WilliamAshleyOnline 11 месяцев назад
It would be interesting to see if you can make more money with a boombox on a corner with a hat than trying to generate revenue as an unknown artist on a streaming service. EDIT - there likely is a some aspect a PRO can collect off of plays from spotify - they are only a fraction of the amount -- basically people are giving away free distribution to their stuff it they upload it is it is rendered promotional rather than commercial content unless it is successful - but atleast you arn't paying to do testpressing and promo distribution to record pools there is more financial cost in that than signing up to a distributor. For people like me we still are not going to make money giving our sound away for free but its not like it is in demand anyway. Guy on the bottom would have the right frame in that even though all the nobody artists or writers/producers signing over global licensing to spotify through their distribution service --- labels/artists are still getting that money although leverage as a bit of a pyramid scheme to the top performing artists who are in fact likely owned by RIAA major labels. So of that 40 million maybe 4 million will be a little bonus to major artists that are known household names - and 30 million will end up with the labels. As far as not being able to track plays they totally can track plays if they required people to logged into their accounts. As a nobody hobbiest who isn't playing shows each weekend nothing lost nothing gained, but it is an incentive not to upload anything but promotional content rather than something I would want to generate revenue on I would rather only make it available for sale if I was trying to make money on it.. but really who is going to pay for it. Its all branding and marketing anyway. Note though "Mechanical royalties earned from streams, downloads, and physical sales are not collected by Performing Rights Organizations (PROs) like BMI. Global mechanical royalties are handled by publishers." So again, this is all what licensing agreement you choose to enter into and if so what you choose to provide a distributor. HOWEVER "Performance and mechanical royalties are both generated when your song is streamed on a digital service like Spotify because a music stream is considered both a public performance and a mechanical reproduction of your work. The payout on a Spotify stream varies based on what country and kind of user (premium, free, family, student, etc.) are streaming the song. " Your licensing structure more or less gives away some of your collection rights to the terms imposed but that is because you choose to distribute with them, nothing stops you from releasing junk to their service if you don't think they deserve good content but that is a marketing and brand damage issue. At the end of the day someone is paying and someone is getting paid, if it is not you then you must be getting some benefit otherwise why do it? That said as someone who likely will not get paid from these services I can only see this as a method of potential promotional release to a limited number of listeners, but still listeners. I will say though most of those top performing artists are putting out junk and so are the other 100,000 people uploading every day, but everyone has their own taste in what audio they consume. What would you have without the commercial labels and artists --- man if you arn't their staff where exactly are you on that industry later, I know I am very close to the bottom. If they wern't taking people to court to get paid, who would be getting that money? Its a complex issue but as an artist get the best deal you can, and no one is forcing you to license, its not a sales agreement it is a publishing agreement - why enter a publishing agreement where you arn't paid other than for promo purposes? Do radiostations pay to play your music - no you send them your CD etc.. and they may if they like play it to their listeners. I think people are looking at spotify the wrong was if I understand, I don't use spotify so this is my understanding through second hand knowledge.
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
Some can use more traditional methods to make money. If an artist thinks streaming is their only income stream, they’ve lost
@timba2647
@timba2647 11 месяцев назад
Spotify is a stakeholder and shareholder in Distrokid...
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
Send source
@JSSoundsmusic
@JSSoundsmusic 11 месяцев назад
What makes most sense to me is that Spotify is doing this to combat AI. People have been creating multiple fake artist profiles and pumping out generic AI generated tracks. Being that these tracks are coming from a newly created unknown artists, they won’t get very many streams individually, but across hundreds of accounts and thousands of tracks can add up to a lot of money, which Spotify believes belongs to “working artist” who actually make music… not people who generate it with AI.
@crnkmnky
@crnkmnky 11 месяцев назад
🤔 In that case, Dame would be correct. They just have to figure out the correct math to draw a line between "fake" and "real" music, lol. 🧮
@DJPain1
@DJPain1 11 месяцев назад
I think they would have said this explicitly if this were the case.
@JSSoundsmusic
@JSSoundsmusic 11 месяцев назад
⁠@@DJPain1 Maybe…they haven’t been the most transparent. That’s just my educated guess.
@eyoo369
@eyoo369 11 месяцев назад
Once again, AI screwing everyone over. I love this new technology frontier but it shouldn't come at the expense of fucking smaller artists over. AI should be a tool of democratization and empowerment and not a lazy way to generate thousands of audio's to mass-distribute to collect some pennies. Spotify should build a better tracking system and maybe put a cap on how many songs one natural person can release. This also ensures more quality instead of artists just flooding the market with too many music.
@XxCuthroatSamuxX
@XxCuthroatSamuxX 11 месяцев назад
Who's to say Spotify isn't creating these AI artists themselves?
@understanding77
@understanding77 11 месяцев назад
I’m absolutely f*cked. I have no traction and spend all my money on ad placements with little engagement. At this point I will have to just think of this as a hobby
@LiamDTurner
@LiamDTurner 11 месяцев назад
"The Sound Board"
@NinoTritone
@NinoTritone 11 месяцев назад
Pain Dame Knight or PDK
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