Let’s not forget about the 4 Kidd class destroyers which were a variant of the Spruance that did have air defense and were later sold to Taiwan also the Navy at one point were considering upgrading the Spruance class to the Kidd class standards but that never happened instead they replaced them with Arleigh Burkes
The Kidds were originally built for Iran...and therefore had upgraded environmental systems...but were seized by the US when the Shah was overthrown. But yeah, you are absolutely correct...they were Spruance Class DD's that were air-combat specialists.
The US never wanted the Kidds and only bought them to keep them out of Iranian hands after the revolution in 1979. I'd be very interested in seeing a source on the navy ever quote "considering upgrading the Spruance class to the Kidd class", because it instantly strikes me as false. Fleet AAW was and is the job of the cruisers, and the USN had no interest in destroyers that sacrificed anti-sub capabilities to also do it. Kidd had no ASROC, relying entirely on her helicopter to deploy torpedoes at range, which made her no better at ASW than a Ticonderoga (which at least got VL-ASROC in later years), which were also significantly better at AAW than the Kidds, and not that much more expensive to run. They had one of the shortest service lives of any post-WWII USN surface combatant and were quickly pawned off to the ROC as soon as the option became available.
@@Strelnikov403 you could very well be correct because the US Navy sold off the Kidds en-masse to Taiwan. Of course the USN had favored using their cruisers for AAW work so the Kidds were odd ducks in the fleet. But they could also afford to sell the Kidds off to Taiwan (as opposed to an Aegis-equipped Burke) because they were a dated design and were "used" models.
I was on one . Roomy , my buddies on Perry FF's and old DDG's(Stoddard, Strauss) were cramped . Plenty of space to get away from people on Sprucans . I was a STG and the nixie space was a good hiding spot . Open the nixie doors and chill . Up by the aft stack was another good spot . I fell short of being an 4.0 sailor lol .
@@jackmiller8851 It was the late 1980's so things were pretty calm with the cold war ending and most seemed to be just killing time . Heck we had the first Chinese warship in something like like 40 years visit Pearl where I was stationed . We went out and escorted them in then I was the lucky one (new guy lol) selected by my LT to have a picture taken with one of the Chinese crew members after we docked .
Early 1970's onboard HMAS Onslow we were tasked to intercept and track USN task force visiting Australia We sat off F for several days listening for the fleet and then one day we heard a very week SQS sonar with its signature worbles .We went sound that sound over a couple days and found the fleet which included the US Enterpise and its defence group Our skipper got us under the Enterprise and took photos of her screws .As a young sonar operator at the time it was one of the most wonderful and fulfilling moments of my life Thats for your channel really enjoy it Cheers Gary
Negative on the changing engines through the smoke stacks. They cut holes in the side of the hull and changed them in our overhaul in 1991 at Ingall’s Shipyard in Goula. USS Peterson DD-969 The Proud Pete
We replaced the turbines through the top of the intakes. After the hole was cut for the first one, the top was bolted back on. 32kts going downhill..... I don't think so. They were fast and we exceeded that 32+ on quite a few occasions.
I didn't hear any mention of USS Moosbrugger in the narrative. For one of her early cruises, she was host to an experiment/trial to see how good a Spruance could be against Soviet subs. Some of the personnel were hand-picked for the deployment, including some from the Intelligence Specialist, Aerographer's Mate, Sonarman, Torpedoman, Electronics Techs, Radiomen and even Communications Techs. One can only speculate what kind of evaluation a spooky group like this was all about, but the 'Moose' apparently raised the bar, becoming especially well known for prosecuting contacts with long-range detections coming from her towed array. She was in some demand after that, showing up in some NATO operations, disappearing on independent ops that nobody would talk about and even getting a mention in a Clancy book. I guess that's when you know word about you is getting around. So here's to the 'Moose', and showing 'em how it's done.
I was a sonar tech aboard the Moose from 81-84. We were the test platform for the SQR-19 towed array sonar. Changed the game. We could drop the “tail” down into deep sound layers and pick up subs from very far away. How far away? VERY far away…😉
We did some ops with Moose; I was on. Flight II FFG sporting an SQR-19. We harrassed some Soviet subs, but it was a bitch trying to find 688s in opfor training.
In 83 I worked on DD-963, I helped build the frame and ammo shack for the Phalanx systems install. She was a real badass. I was an apprentice welder at NNSY then.
The Kidd class was actually what the Navy intended the Spruance class to look like sporting two universal missiles launchers capable of firing Standard missiles as well as Asrocs.
The Kidd class combined the Spruance hull with the weapons and sensors of the nuclear powered Virginia class cruiser and were built for the Shah of Iran.
@@briananthony4044 What was to become the Ticonderoga class started out as the Virginia class mated to the Aegis radar system but the high cost of the project compelled the Navy to use the Spruance class hull instead.
FWIW, good job! A minor suggestion: stick to post WWII and Cold War era vessels, Drach has WWII and earlier covered, there is a huge gap for Cold War era vessels, (your strong era) and there are herds of post 1950 era USN vets ready to jump in to comment on these ships and some of their operations. Thanks for the hard work and well researched videos.
The Spruances were great ships and I was counting on all of them to get the Mk41 VLS. It was said the Russians were shocked at seeing the Spru-cans and they developed the Udaloys as "Spruance-Clones". The one Spru-can I was stationed aboard was USS Conoly (DD-979). We still had the Tomahawk box launchers, with the ASROC launcher was removed. You forgot to mention the four Kidd-class (DDG-993), which almost went to the Iranians. They were sometimes called the Iyatollah class (I hope I spelled that right), and they were sold to Taiwan.
Regarding the 5" gun comments at the start of the video - The British used even smaller guns to GREAT effect in the Falklands war, their 4.5" guns put on some pretty impressive shore bombardment/Naval gunfire support episodes in various actions. GREAT episode Aaron, I can't wait for more "Ship" briefs in addition to the sub briefs. Such a huge amount of ships I want you to lecture on!
My Stepfather was a Signalman on the USS. Oldendorf DD-972 1983-1984 and I got to go aboard her several times! To a 5-6 year old kid, she was a beautiful ship!!!!!! Great breakdown! Thanks. Brought back some great memories!
I had some NATO submariners described being tracked by a Spruance sonar in Bottom Bounce Track mode like being inside a metal trashcan while someone wailed on it with a baseball.bat.
A couple of points about the SLAM/SLAM-ER brought to you by the same DCS Hornet drivers who corrected me on it: The SLAM was employed in practice, we have confirmation of 3 being used during the gulf war and the ER in SLAM-ER stands for Expanded Response, not Extended Range, as the package brings a heck of a lot more to the table then just extra range in terms of electronic capabilities (both in terms of resistance and datalink range), but also navigation and pathfinding, ER's can accept waypoints exactly the same way tomahawks can. It's also (subjectively and I am biased) the most fun weapon to use in DCS with the Hornet because of this, I just long for the day when we can plug in coordinates from the map and pre plan them instead of smashing it in on the keypad one by one, soon, they tell us, soon, "just two more weeks™"
I served on USS O'Bannon (DD-987), USS Yorktown (CG-48), & USS McInerney (FFG-8). You mention the SQS and SQR sonar systems. Not all Spru-cans were equipped with the SQR system. The SQS system was all but useless in sub hunting. Our port & starboard lookouts found more subs that the SQS system ever did. Later in life, the SQR was installed and we could find shrimp at 50 mile range. You also mention 20 minute startup; that was only after warming lube oil for the shafts. Top speed O'Bannon achieved was still classified last time I seen her and it was above 32 you have mentioned. It was achieved after a challenge from a British DD we were running with at the time. We smoked them ! ! ! O'Bannon was equipped with a Faruno nav radar and not the SPS-64. An interesting note on CIC, the Navy visited the set of the original Star Trek bridge. The TAO (Tactical Actions Officer) could see every sensor output either directly or by turning the chair slightly (including who may be entering or leaving CIC.
Your RU-vid documentaries are wonderful with great insight information I think we are very lucky to have you give us your insight regarding these navel stories and submarine documentation. Best regards, Greg / Fort Lauderdale, Florida
Really enjoy your Soruence Brief. I was a civilian marine piping designer at Ingalls. Started at ingall in 82. Worked on Spruence, Kidd, Ticondaroga class as well as several other classes. Got away from them around 88. Ive long since retired. Abt a year ago i was looking the Spruence up to see what came of them. Sad to read they are sunk. No museum ship. Anyway, thanks to all of you who served on those ships. I cant say enough.
They were sometimes called 'cruise ships' because of the lack of visible armament, especially compared to Soviet ships which fairly bristled with weaponry. The counter argument was that the US systems were more reliable and efficient, and that the Sovs carried a lot of weapons 'in hope that something would work'. In the mid-'70s, I saw a poster in an NROTC office that said, "When you're out of FRAMs, you're out of cans", comparing WWII refurb ships to the new, spacious SPRUANCEs.
@@maximmatusevich3971 😄 Good one! The gear works, but somebody took 'We just may need this...' WAY too far! 🤔 In fairness, it seemed to me that the Soviets were looking to get off overwhelming salvos for a quick win instead of realitively long conflict, IF the unthinkable took place.
@@petesheppard1709 Well to be fair i think soviets are packed with missiles for the same reason. They expect overwhelming numbers so equip themselves with moar missiles.
Served onboard USS Caron as an STG from oct 87 to sept 89. Was part of the crew and onboard during the Black Sea incident. Very tense several hours. I was not a pipelined STG so I ended up with AN/SQS 53B "C" school. Only pipeliners got 53C school. Great vid brings back lots of memories.
I became extremely giddy when I saw you released this bit about the Sprucan. I served aboard the CARON DD970 (pronounced Karen) as my first sea command. Loved every minute of it and was heart broken when we decommed her in 2001. The Sprucan's top speed was a lot faster than 32 kts. I remember steaming South along the East Coast and passing cars on US 1. Every time I hear Frankie Valli's Can't take my eyes off you, I flash back to laying in my rack in Operations berthing, covering my head with my pillow thinking, "Oh my God, please make it stop." (If you know, you know). No, you can not sit up in your rack, unless you were on a top bunk and then you had to watch out for pipes and duct work. CIC changed significantly since that photo was taken. The OOD is on the bridge, that seat would be for the TAO/Captain. That suction effect is known as the Venturi effect and I have seen first hand what it can do to ships, especially during a RAS. That pic of the Russian ramming, is actually of the CARON. You can tell because the Harpoons were mounted on the 03 weather deck on Sprucans, and on the fantail on TICO's. Oh, and your information on the CARON's sinking is wrong though. She was accidentally sunk off the coast of PR during some experimental DC equipment testing. Needless to say, the experimental equipment failed. A little history about the CARON. CWO John Walker was her RMC and CMS custodian in the late 70's. Part of his demise was after he PCS'ed, the CARON went into the yards and they found several burn bags FULL of material, that was signed off as being destroyed, stashed under deck plates, behind lagging, and AC ducting.
I don't know where you're getting some of your information from, but you're putting out some incorrect info. The two armored box launchers for Tomahawk were operational, not for testing. The ship is a DD, not a DDG. I was on USS Deyo, when I got on board we had the ASROC launcher with one armored box launchers on either side of it for the Tomahawk and mount 51, the forward five in mount. After I left they removed the ASROC and box launchers and installed Mk 41 VLS. And no, you could not sit up in your rack.
I really like SQS-53C bow mounted sonar which also continues to the Arleigh Burke DDGs, not only it acts as Sonar but also as Bulbous bow which reduce slamming and also The bulb modifies the way the water flows around the hull, reducing drag and thus increasing speed, range, fuel efficiency, and stability. Really nice touch by the USN.
Was on the USS Caron DD-970 from 88 to 91. Had the ASROC launcher when I first got on board and went to the yards for the VLS refit. One of the yard workers left the blueprints and schematics in my space for the VLS system. Found them on a weekend doing rounds and took them to the Capt. Lets say it was not a good day for the shipyard staff and admin. lol That picture from the Black Sea indent is from the Caron not the Ticonderoga. You can see our DESRON 10 plate on the bulkhead from the port side bridge-wing. The Ticonderoga bridge was much higher and you wouldn't get a full side view of the ship from theirs as well as I don't recall the CGs ever having the squadron plates on their ships. I also reported on board after this incident so I heard all the stories over and over. :)
thanks so much... I was on board the Kinkaid. couple things. first. she was faster than 32, or as you said "33 Kts" going down hill. secondly. I was surprised how there was very little mention about its amazing maneuverability. everything else. was very accurate.
I served onboard DD-987 and DD-980. LPO for both MER 1 and 2 on both. I was asked by the CO to ensure the Mains were ready because we were anchored at Split Yugoslavia. I told him that I could get a Main ready in 30 secs, ready to roll the shaft. We had the MER's manned and all equipment was at operating temp and ready to GO.
I served aboard the USS O'Bannon from August 86 to August 88 as LPO for Navigation. Good ship. It really didn't take long to get the LM2500's running and ready. If memory serves, in auto start sequence, it was about 2 minutes from cold to ready...but it has been a longtime.
@@GriefMonster I served on two Spru-cans, the O'Bannon and Nicholson. Always impressed by their comfort, sea keeping ability, speed, and maneuverability. Aboard the Nicholson, I learned to appreciate how fast the plant could be made ready to answer all bells. The ship was dragging anchor off of Philipsburg, St. Maarten. The duty section got the ship underway in less than 5 minutes...weighing the anchor took the most of that time...the plant was ready almost as fast as the order was given to Central Control over the 21 MC.
I was on a Knox class frigate in GITMO for REFTRA prior to deploying. We were on water rationing the entire time in port because most of the fresh water we made had to go to the boilers. The Spruance class DD across the pier from us had electric evaps like the subs. We would watch them come out and do a fresh water washdown of all topside weapons every morning, and when they bathed they would take hollywood showers. etc. And when you entered their berthing compartment they would be so cold your breath would frost and they would be using blankets. On my frigate you had 30 sec to get wet in the shower, then apply your soap and shampoo and lather up. Then you had 90 seconds to rinse it all off. We had no ac in the berthing compartments, and as soon as you finished your shower, you were sweaty again.
They were lucky. Only a minority of the Spruances had the electric evaps. I was on the O'Bannon and ours were steam evaps (water hours all the time underway). During the overhaul in 92-94 she was supposed to get the electric evaps. But I left in Oct 93' and she was getting ready to leave the dry dock and the evaps had not been replaced at that time. So I don't know if it happened.
Spruance Class ships, certainly during any period where they would serve alongside a Knox Class, had "Waste Heat Boilers" which made low pressure steam using heat from the generator exhaust. The LP steam was used for heating including for our evaporators. The WHBs were a pain so DD-964 got rid of hers in the late 80s and went "all electric" but I believe all the rest of the spru-cans kept their WHBs for the rest of their service lives.
It's a shame that the 24 members of this Spruance class, which had been upgraded with Mark 41 VLS tubes, were retired early. It would be nice if all of our carriers and LHD ships were escorted by one. You'll be even better if they've been upgraded to fire quad packed ESSM from 12 or 16 VLS tubes and reserved to the rest for a handful of VL-ASROC and 30 Tomahawks.
Asroc is actually an Australian designed weapon. We call it Ikara. The Americans loved the idea and offered us 4 new destroyers and a large sum of cash. The Australian government said NO. The Americans said, Well, we'll just build it ourselves. Australian politicians stuffed up again. What did they think the response would be? We could have doubled our destroyer squadron if we'd kept the pollies out of it.
My Stepfather was on Oly in 83-84. He was a Signalman, and I got to go aboard a couple of times before West-Pac. She was a beautiful Ship. Thank both of you gentlemen!
When you were covering the 60 and 9 radar, the 60 role was not defined correctly. The 60 was a separate doppler radar for AAW only. It was separate from the 9 even though they both got feed into the Video Processer in DPC. The 9 would track all surface and low flyers. FC1, MK86 Data and Display tech (NEC1129) and also a MK86 C school instructor. USS Cushing DD-985 and FTC San Diego. Also, in CIC, the main chair is for the TAO, not the CO. Overall a good video, it sure brought back a lot memories for me. Thanks so much!
These destroyers were simply wonderful, it would be good to convince the navy to rebuild the same ships but with an improved variant equal to or superior to the Burke class, in my opinion the Spruance class and the Tico class are eternal ships that are worth an evolution of They are my humble opinion, I have to hope that the high command of the navy can read and consider the words of this server
Lots of good information. Some of it is incorrect suchas the hull number of Arthur W. Radford is DD 968. I spent several years on the Radford and we never had a towed sonar array installed. That mission was left to the Perry class. A Spru-can with a towed array seems like a waste to me. Dragging an array around at 5 knots isn't what it was designed for. Frigates, helos, S3 Viking, P3 Orions or other assets would make initial contact and then call on us to pounce on it. There's still a lot about the Spruance class that is still classified including differences between each ship within the class beyond what you noted. Overall a good presentation 👌 👏
Loved this one, served aboard the Conolly in 1981. By the way, her hull number was DD-979. You listed that hull as the Radford, a different class ship altogether (38:54). Not trying to be too picky, just letting you know.... maybe I'm just misunderstanding something. Love these ship briefs, it brings everything together for a one-stop-shop. Thanks for taking care of the "heavy work!"
@@ericjustice5742 got it, thanks! I guess my big point was it was was not hull 979... that was the Conolly.... either way, thanks for the clarification!
Hey there Jive! Great video. Have been working in various capacities in the Ingalls Shipbuilding facility for about 15 years now. Heard about these from a few co-workers that were around when these were being built. Love learning about the ships made there before my time and the current programs I work on. Keep'em coming, skipper!
I've worked on those engines! used to be at a site doing repair/overhaul and some oem on the turbine segments, blades and rings for these GE and similar kind of era PW + RR.
My uncle Thomas served on the Spruance for three or four years then transferred to the Pegasus at Key West; he said the latter was like serving on a starship flying across water
33:41 You could not "sit" in your rack and read, at least on the bottom two. If you laid in your rack with your elbow on the mattress, your fingertips (pointed up) touched the rack above.
USS Peterson DD-969 "Proud Pete". 2/78 - 7/81, missed being in the commissioning crew by about 6 mos. So many 1st for the Proud Pete. Sep 79 - detected the 1st Soviet Echo II Class Sub in about 10 years - disabled on the surface the night we transited across the Gulf of Aden north of the Socotra anchourage...yes we used our SPS-64 commercial radar in emcon that night to sneak up to them and yes on day 3 when we finally detached from our intel gathering we slammed them with the SQS 53 at full power and narrowest beam width...oh my 😯but that's what we did in the Cold War!
As a young sailor, an Electronics Tech, I saw a lot of these ships during my tour aboard a Destroyer Tender. These ships were the first to use high tech electronics in the Radar and Communications. They were filled with circuit cards and when one went bad you didn't fix it, you just replaced it. The Navy figured that it wasn't worth the effort for a tech to fix a card when it could be replaced for less than 500 bucks. It also meant that you didn't have to spend a lot of money training your techs if all they did was replace cards. The problem with this was that the Navy didn't contract for spares! After the initial supply of cards ran out the cost escalated into the stratosphere. All of a sudden most of the ET's were going to miniature/micro-miniature electronic repair courses. The 5" gun was a problem too in it's early life. After a couple of shots the hydraulic hoses would burst. The CWIS Phalanx system also had it's teething problems. It was completely self contained but the seals couldn't keep out the water making it unreliable. Most of the crew referred to it as "Ch---t! It won't shoot!". Habitability was good too. Many of the compartments were painted in different color pastels, not all white and pea green in every compartment.
What about the Prairie Masker system? This ship had the ability to mask her presence by venting the turbine exhaust gas down under the hull creating a envelope of bubbles around the hull. Sub sailors said that all it sounded to them was like it was raining topside. One of the major reasons this ship was replaced by the Burke class destroyer is the Spruance had an aluminum superstructure. If you want to know about when aluminum catches fire look up what happened to the USS Belknap CG-26. The Burke is all steel topside.
I’m just a snipe sent to 2M right out of A school. On board, we had ETs fighting over who would fix the cards. Eventually we came to the conclusion that snipes fixed snipe gear, and ETs would fix everything else.. I felt like a one legged man in an ass kicking contest with cards popping left and right. Good times.
If the navy hadn't killed the naval reserve, the class would have made a good destroyer for that role. At least the 24 with VLS. And if needed they would still be a very useful ship. With the low use in reserve, the ships could have lasted decades longer.Going to gas turbines cut the crew size. On steam powered ships, the engine and boiler room crew was about 1/3 to 1/2 of the sailors. To increase speed in steam, another boiler may have to be lit off, brought up to pressure and cut in. It could take an hour. And WWII built destroyers had to slow to 17 knots to cut in as saturated steam before returning to superheated steam. Gas turbine just took a few minutes to warm another turbine and it was ready.
I served on the USS John Young DD-973 for over 4 years in the late 80's. I am surprised you didn't mention Operation Nimble Archer in the Persian Gulf.
Hey Jive, just an FYI there's going to be a new modern Submarine simulator called Modern Naval Warfare. What I could see you could take command and control of a Virginia class SSN, it's probably going to be like a modern day version of the UBoat game with higly detailed submarine interior and world features.
1982 I saw a Spruance class at sea blast buy us about a mile away Flank speed. The rooster tail she put out gigantic!!! I bet they were 40 plus nots. I was on the USS Roark ff 1053.
ASROC with torpedo or nuke in the box launcher had fully variable range from min to max. It was a good idea to shoot nukes at max range though. The ASROC booster was solid fuel with fixed power and burn time. Even so, we could drop the warhead at any distance desired. Tricky 😁. I was a MK 111 computer operator and tech (STG). Fortunately no nukes were launched except for tests. We thought of ASROC as point defense since max range was far short of a sub launched torpedo.
Nice job on the Brief, a bit of trivia for you. The only ship the navy has ever had that didn't have the name in block letters was a Spruance. DD981 USS John Hancock the name was done in script like he signed the Declaration with and the Stern is at the Navy museum. 2 side notes Spruance class were a major part of the Tanker protection in the early 80's Persian gulf. Russian subs don't like being Pinged every hour for over a week as they try to Hide .He He
My father served on one of these when I was young. I still have fond memories of the enlisted mans mess back when they used to allow the sailors to bring their kids onboard.
That was a awesome surface ship brief skipper. A+++. The quality of the content and how your speech, enthusiasm and presentation just keeps people glued to it. I would love to see a brief of the California class nuke powered missile cruisers as well as the Long Beach class Nuke powered and the Nuke powered Bainbridge class destroyer / cruiser ship. The Navy sea support command should of had Ships like the N.S. Savanna nuke power ship as the On-The-Way supply vessels. My opinion. I am not afraid of nuclear power, I believe it to be the future of the planets " Green " solution. Civil nuke powered cargo even passenger cruse ships, electric cars trucks trains and structure power/ everything power. That's just me. The engineering is there for it to be safe. The Nuke industry contractors are overpricing what it cost to refuel and maintain the nuclear fleet we could of had. They are over charging!!! Canada`s land has the highest Uranium deposits on the planet!!! It should not be costing so much to mine and enrich uranium for the ships refuels !!!!. i am sorry but until we find a safe reliable cost effective way to eject the nuclear waste out into space towards the Sun to be incinerated, we find low or none inhabited land ( Antarctica even, far inland where it wont make it to the ocean ) to store the worlds nuclear waste till we find a way to safely rocket it off the planet ( even anti-gravity elevator to space and orbit one day ). That's just me.
I agree. The nuclear navy was the right move for the US naval power projection goals. The independence of a nuclear powered fleet is unparalleled. Dropping that looks like a big mistake. As we approach several peer-state wars in the near future, the lack of the ability to move at full speed indefinitely is going to likely be problematic, as we no longer have any CSG escort vessels that can run side by side with the carrier for as long as they need to at flank. The logistics chain to keep the full escort group fueled by slower and vulnerable tanker ships is going to be a weakness you can bet will be exploited by the chicoms and russians.
@@thepewplace1370 I 100% agree with you sir. We could of had the smaller destroyers have at least one reactor with steam turbines for fleet cruising speed like 25-30 Knots and LM2500 gas turbines as a auxiliary and Flank speed addition to the nuke propulsion This would maximize the cost of each ship and refuels wile the bigger cruisers frigates and carriers have there twin reactors. That's how i would of had it.
@@leonswan6733 I dont know enough to know the specifics of what should go where, but nuclear reactors can be made pretty dang compact these days, and modern day destroyers are the size of cruisers from WW2 anyway. The Soviets could cram two reactors in most of their subs, Im sure we could find a way to put two reactors in a 10K ton surface vessel.
Not sure how many but some was sold to turkey. Being on the Caron she topped out at 35 knots and also was on a Burke class that did 38 and there was one Burke that had a change to the fantail and allowed it to do 40 knots
Shame the DDH design was never built. A two-hangar Spruance in a similar fashion to the Flight IIA Burkes would be pretty neat. Two ships is a pretty insubstantial amount for the size force the USN operates, maybe run them as flotilla leaders for detached ASW formations or whatever, but they'd be cool to see nonetheless.
I'd be very interested in similar briefs for WW2 era Destroyers / Cruisers / Subs / etc (I guess Carriers too but those are always talked about, learning more about the others would be awesome tho!)
I was on the Oly DD-972 & had a bottom rack in engineering berthing & was somewhat claustrophobic !? There's No way you can ( almost sit up ?!😅) I measured once & with a thin pillow behind my head I had all of 16" from my forehead to the bottom of the middle rack above me ! In some locations if you were lucky & on the top rack & didn't have steam ,freshwater, waste piping directly above your head you may be able to actually sit up😮 you stand corrected by a former EN-3 !
OMG I am learning SO MUCH from this video I didn't know dude!😝🤪 I was trying to wait to the end to post all the frkn comments I got about all the content in this brief, but I can't remember them all. I'm amazed at all the face melting tech and the previously unknown details and stories about them. ....and among many other comments that there would be. Sonar Grandmaster Jive (Aaron) Turkey Thank you for the awesome brief.. and many more...😁
during the cold war sovs had 300 submarines,krasniflot a huge navy then,noted the effectiveness of doenitz's fleet of subs in the battle of the atlantic,,
