Spy is the Weakest Class in TF2 

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You deserve way more subs for the work you do

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They have nearly the exact same counter as well look behind you or just look up

@@ArpaZha Yeah. People tend to say that disguises don't work anymore because nobody falls for them, but I think that the actual reason is that there is no downside in smacking any other player with a melee weapon or shooting at them to see if they get hurt or not, outside of losing some ammo. I'm not saying that enabling friendly fire on casual servers would be a good decision, but what I mean is that the Spy was designed to be very easy to counter if you pay enough attention.

@@succubastard1019 yup theres a reason alot more people pick sniper for insta kills hes long ranged he can kill people without dying right after and the machina just exist

or if they have good hit reg

@@ArpaZha no engineer is huge pain in the butt when you play trollder, pyro are not much of threat sens they are not as fast but if they catch you in closed room you're as good as dead

that would be broken as hell, espeacially on comp...

@BEASTFRAG435 "hey guys, the enemy team wanted to make a fake uber push so that they can send their spy and scout to kill our medic and engineer"

@@naqeebinstisyar8 if they added like a radius near the enemy where you can hear him it would be not that broken tbh

that could be a new playstyle for spy that could see use in competitive, where the spy swaps his sapper out for a limited charge listening device that can briefly patch enemy text and voice chat through to his team. tbh, the sappers look perfect for such a device, and this may have been their original purpose, who knows?

@@quanariin1290 I think I would give spy like a fog machine or something that could hinder opponents with like slowness or poison to replace the sapper. One because, other than bugging engies, it serves no real purpose, and two, it might make spy more versatile and less predictable and bland, and over relaint on enemy slip ups and hoping they forget to just turn around, while still keeping his disruptor type elements, while keeping things fun and interesting, just a thought

Oh god, I know that moment when enemies aren't letting you trickstab because THEY FUCKING PRESS S AND SPY TOTALLY FUCKED UP

@@user-rj8ei7ci9n to be fair, i know a lot of trickstabs from my own time playing spy and from seeing other people try them, so i usually can read when a spy is about to try one, and will bait it. what gets me is when the enemy randomly turns.

My favorite way to mess with a spy is to just stop moving randomly. They don’t know what to do with themselves

@@Wet_Deer .....That is the worst thing you can ever do around a spy...

I tell people to use their gun, and I get it, trickstabbing is cool, but spy's primary is basically a FUCK I MISSED MY BACKSTAB, which is its intended use. So when the enemy gamer presses the S key, just click on em? Easier said than done, but it works.

*boom* *"Jousuke!!!!"* - famous last words

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god damnit someone already made this comment

FRONTIER JUSTICE: BATTLE ENGINEER! Yee haw daze, pyro, you are truly a reliable guy

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@@yfranse4881 lol

@@yfranse4881 0:59

Incredibly Obvious Correction: it’s the rat from halo 3

Because scout is a rat

It’s wrong though, we have... We have... uh...

@@vbgvbg1133 gunspah

@@TheFrostyCow so spy

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@@goon5665 u a weird spy if you mainly use your gun

Exactly. Something that can change up their cloaked behavior, instead of always aiming for the get-behind-back, can go a long way. A ranged option like he mentioned could be interessting.

Knife should be just a possible playstyle. Giving him something like 2 or 3 hit knifes that don't need to backstab and possibly make his revolevers better so he can get in just kinda close and then make him use his guns

GUN SPY

i think the long range knife with a cooldown is a good way to start dude needs more subclasses rather than just "OBSERVER SPY" and "GUN SPY"

​@@victorvirgili4447gunspy works well with pre-nerf ambassador. Still works when you have a charged diamondback. Doesn't work with stock if your enemy can aim. Engie has a lot more firepower with his unlocks and even with stock. Engie was designed as a demo/spy victim but his too powerful with his short circuit/southern hospitality/wrangler/frontier justice loadouts. EVEN for demo. You understand that things is broken when you can enforce your enemy to switch class (from your counterpick to your pick).

cuz support class

Exactly

That makes sense.

he does have this advantage tho, if you have a team that coordinates, you could gather intel for them. I mean there's scout/trolldier/jumper demo that can do the same tactic which uses their mobility to their advantage while also dealing decent dmg and waste time, and there's also the kill cams but spy does better from this overall. and currently rn players are coordinating or at least in my experience

@@jukebox581 True, but my point is Spy can't do anything with that info himself most of the time. The role of an equalizer is one that strips advantages and secrets from the enemy and forces them to fight inefficiently to compensate. Acting as his namesake on the enemies activies is a good example, since it removes any hidden surprises, but you still have to deal with the enemy. And when I say inefficient, I mean it. There are more anti-spy weapons in the game then any other anti-class and ALL of them are frankly useless outside of ruining spy. Hell, pyros that dedicate themselves to spy checking spend more time away from the front lines meaning they are as good as dead as far as the fron is concerned.

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THUS BEGInS MY THOUSAND YeAR REIGN OF BLOOD

Solar light is both astonishing to watch and terrifying as f*ck to think about fighting. He has mastered the ways of the Scottish drunkard to where he can drop out of the goddam sky from the other side of the map and erase you from existence faster than the KGB disposing political opponents.

yeah but you dont meet solarlight in pubs consistenly do you

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@@arielsapir3904 If you play in EU, quite a lot actually.

@@no-legjohnny3691 Jeez well said

How are you everywhere on youtube?

@@yanxishan6575 nah they arent

@@yanxishan6575 ratio

i've done it to a few spies you realise they're a spy, so you follow them they don't turn around but you can't catch up to them so the moment they get a backstab, you catch them and backstab them yourself

i had the same thing, and i was the one who survived suprisingly

And now he's here to support us!, so listen up boy or men simping for your mother will be the 2nd worst thing to happen today

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He could be you! He could be me!

@@omnitroph1501He could even be-

unless you have high ping, then you can get the dirtiest face stabs imaginable.

I haved watched a 5 part multi hour long circle strafe tutorial and can confirm this ABSOLUTELY IS FALSE IT IS ABSURDLY EASY TO STAB SOMEONE BACKING UP DO NOT DO THIS TO A COMPOTENT TRICKSTABBER PLEASE

Have you ever heard of a glue stab?

@@EzraTF2 odd name for a strafe stab I am guessing.

@@rngsmiles3979 Strafe stab that counters players who hold S against a spy.

@@toiletpaperdad8603 ah yes, feed the weeb spy stereotype mooore

I would like a revolver that makes the spy a mobile sharpshotter, like the amb, but it reduces the cloak max

I used it on a Test server, it's pretty cool, but they seemed to have nerfed it there, that it doesn't need to do an instantkill, your targets are more like an unaware suicide bomber that survived and also doesn't kill anyone, just gives them an ouchie. But hey, there's also this Sapper that can change the Team of the building, but they made it fair, so the buildings have less health.

@@toiletpaperdad8603 I was about to say this. Thank you for spreading the good word.

killer queen...

what kind of frags have you watched then lol

ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9oZ3Y2Hn10U.html Least you win this Battle Pyro in my honest opinion - Friendly Engie/Medic Main

@@Polar87 I love this song.

Mmmph mmm mmph???

Well he mains spy so he’s probably biased

I don’t think there is a worst class. The most effective would be sniper, and maybe same for most annoying, but worst is hard to define.

Same

@SCP Foundation all the classes can insta kill enemies at low enough health. Spy is weak because he can not insta kill a team that turns around while sniper does what he does by clicking on your head

@SCP Foundation when your main source of damage is so buggy that you can never be sure if its even going to hit i'd say you're pretty weak. When all the enemy have to do to beat you the majority of the time is be aware of your existence you aren't strong. Having one very powerful ability on a bad class does not make that bad class good. It just give a bad class one good thing to do. A single spy wont have the same effect as a medic with uber, a soldier/scout/demo/heavy just using their primary weapon, a pyro protecting his team with airblasts, an engineer with his infinite healing source and teleporters, and even snipers, who basically do what spy does but from a safe distance. Sure, spy has his moments. But basically all of the time is every other classes moment.

@SCP Foundation If you want to deal with engies play soldier or demo. If you want to deal with snipers play sniper. The problem with spy is he is outshined by the other choices. Sure he can insta kill but he has to work so much harder to insta kill than any other class to kill someone. If your distracted then you can kill them instantly with spy, and every other class

@SCP Foundation the problem with spy is the fact it requires more skill to accomplish everything other classes can do. Engie nest can be taken down with a very smart spy, or a demo man with stickies. A spy can easily kill snipers if they do not equip the razorback, or cannot hear you decloaking and don't tunnel vision but a sniper cal click the other snipers head, or a scout could kill him in 2 shots via flank routes. Wanna play a flank class? Scout just flanks with less risk to himself because he can dip from any fight much easier than a spy. Finally spy is hard countered by decently smart players and a pyro worth their salt. The situations spy is useful other classes are better in

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@NoobPrePro ! medic is good during bot crisis

@@ascii0n278 yeah

Spy, Demoknight, and Pyro are all weak in sixes because they lack range and thus leads to loosing 1v1s and being outnumbered. Heavy and Engie are kinda bad in sixes for similar reasons such as only being being useful in defense due to slow mobility/setup. All these classes are pretty good in Highlander and all classes in TF2 are pretty well balanced in 12v12. Sniper's skill is determined by how calm yet focused and well slept/healthy you are and medic is the strongest class in leading to victory but the weakest class in overall dmg and kills

I remember having an idea for a spy watch that, instead of turning invisible, gave you the Wrangler shield. From there, you could click on teammates to give them the shield too; however, while there was no limit to how many teammates you could shield so long as you didn’t drop it, the shield would’ve had a limited damage tolerance that’s shared across everyone using it (damage counts toward everyone’s shield, it breaks for everyone). You can use it as a makeshift Uber, but it might only survive one rocket if the splash damage hits six shielded people at once. For a more realistic support spy, I’ve always wanted the Enforcer to be reworked around its damage piercing, make that the focus stat so it becomes a counter to Battalion’s and Vaccs. I say give it mini-crits on players with resistances, on top of the pierce (might get weird where vulnerabilities are concerned; I know the Pain Train’s vulnerability is just a negative resistance, but I think we could keep the mini-crits if that’s the only case).

The thing is that if you are behind someone, why set a tracker on them when you can just kill them?

@@chamitoempire1672 Completely true! I think it could be solid if it doesn't make you as completely obvious--either no indicator or, like, a sound, instead of your disguise collapsing. I don't know, though--it's been a while, and Past Me is a tricky gal to read. You're totally right that just like with Sniper, any weapon that doesn't outright kill faces an uphill battle for people wanting to use it.

@@koboldcatgirl there are some solutions to this problem though, spy could set trackers on enemies that have found him out but don't manage to kill him. Example: A sapper that can be put on enemy players (maximum 1 player) to track them for as long as the spy stays alive, but with the added weakness of being removed in one wrench strike by engineers, and everybody in game getting to know the location of the tracked player, like their friendly engis who can remove it, the sapper can also be removed by using the resupply closet. This rewards spies for going for risky plays and managing to get out without dying or a counter for tricky players that seem to be always paranoid, but also making your match up against engineers worse, which is a crucial utility for spy. I'd like to admit as well that I don't do weapon design and there is 0 way to playtest this, but I think it's a decent idea.

forst thing is called cloak and dagger + voice chat

Precisely

Hehe, and my class is "everyone loves, but no one wants to be")

​@@Sasha-zw9ssThat would be medic

The change ruined it in my opinion. It was great for learning how to play spy. It even taught me how to wrangle on top of sentries

I always combo the Eternal Reward with the Cloak and Dagger...most of the time, that build is what I use to just disrupt a Sentry nest.

Well in MvM it's just a straight downgrade with the delay

Also he forgot gunspy exists

@@gonnachangemychannel9449 gunspy isn’t all that strong.

Hail our holy spy main

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Oh my god it’s

It’s.... impossible

Trimping demoknight: *SSSSSCCCCCOOOOOOOTTTTTLLLLLLAAAAAANNNDDDDD FFFFOOOOOREEEEEVVVVVVAAAAAAA*

The only sub classes for spy is observer and gun

Spy really needs something where he can do actual spy work. Im thinking of something like a single shot arrow gun that does like 10dmg, you can shoot it and stay disguised and it marks players and sentries through walls for your team to see. Fades away after a short time. Some weapon where you can give your team more support from further away.

He is the most unique class not the most complex. Half of spys complexity went out the window when they nerfed amby

@@YSLZOMBIE fucking lmao you're playing spy not sniper go cry somewhere else

for an overhead stab you need to brake/slow your movement and crouch to access the hitbot Ive onyl recently been doing it and it can get you killed but basically... just gotta decide to commit for those trickstabs if you want them. here's a guide on them: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J06nMkjwtt4.html

@@elgatochurro Eh, I don't really think braking or slowing down is needed tbh, it kills your momentum once you fail the stab and can get you instantly killed, just turning around in the right time and stabbing is better since if you fail you still have the momentum you need to pull another stab or get away, spy relies heavily on momentum so even a bit of momentum lost can be the difference between life and death, which is why I recommend most spy mains try to practice jumping in rails or other objects without losing momentum since it helps you do escapes or pull off unexpected trickstabs.

@@Eeveeening go try that

@@jeffboy4231 Stairstabbing without airbrakes? Cause uh I do that all the time lol since I mostly do flicks for my stabs.

@@Eeveeening no time to air brake when ur trickstabbing good players

The Ambassador: helo

@@victorvirgili4447 That also was nerfed to the ground, its still good(ish) but it used to be way better

@@victorvirgili4447 new amby sucks ass compared to old amby

diamondback can be better than stock if used properly

@@La_Voijtur Yeah the diamondback is spy's only weapon that everybody can agree is better than stock

*gets stopped by a mini and dies from fall damage*

Leonardo Durón who needs a mini when there’s a Natasha heavy

yeah natasha's knockback rly throws trolliders off.

Fun fact, if you tap a+d over and over all slowdown effects do not affect you due to unknown reasons. Can be in the air to so the Natasha really doesn't help

General Yaffy wow I will use this

my amby says hi

my knife says "OOH IM GONNA WIGGLE MY MOUSE LOOK AT ME - TRICKSTAB"

@@deathbringer9893 my shotgun says henlo

@@alphaundpinsel2431 D:

Pyro sorry what are you saying cant hear you over my sentry

Is good. - Heavy Tf2

Actually Karma charger had this concept

@@1ns1ght_l1 didn't he become a yoga channel or something

@@localvillageidiot7206 i dunno

@@localvillageidiot7206 Nah he quit YT entirely

How many triggered pyros have you killed lol

Thank you!

bro it's the one person better than MRswipez1

Wait i’v seen you on blackwonder !!!

In tf2 ALONE yes it’s true but in class based gaming in general that belongs to the chomper from the plants vs zombies shooter games so don’t feel bad

pyro mains are fatherless and are not wanted by their mothers

It's still exists. Just use stock or ambassador

@@eh2587 you can't snipe with ambassador anymore

@@matyaskrzok1728Just because you can't snipe people that dosnt mean the ambassador is useless or unusable as gunspy

@@eh2587 No it means it's much less rewarding and for me

@@matyaskrzok1728 k

That's my spy play style

@@themonsterunderyourbed.7620 How good are you with this play style?

@@nicolasdayaloiii4672 I'm a medic main.

@@themonsterunderyourbed.7620 Im a hoovy main.

@@nicolasdayaloiii4672 noice.

That’s why you abuse it’s quirks. Facestabs my friend

@@closed9058 it's not really abusing if it literally happens on accident.

@@heinrichvonschnitzel8600 cope

spyder

@@sillowillo oh god that's perfect

@@phanton4305 thank you kind sir

I see what you going for but that'd be something that could get wildly unbalanced if not done with extreme care.

@BPapiMcP157 *OHOHOHOHOH*

As a sniper main, I have 1 of those things and it's preoccupied trying to kill medics and other snipers.

@@NEETKitten you can still hear no?

@@Creation836 Nope. I always play with music on.

@@NEETKitten you could use the razorback then

you'd be suprised

Literally a straight downgrade

spy is weak tho, his knife never kills, like ever, and his gun is weak too

dead ringer is just pres m2 + w and thats about it

Dead ringer still isnt a play style as like mentioned in the video it doesnt change your way of playing spy its like a really good extra but u still have to backstab and sometimes have to use revolver

@@FancyCatYT what about paranoia-spy? cloak and dagger, letranger and red tape... just get to enemy turtle engie and harass/annoy him all the time. its a different playstyle. ;)

@@StopThisIsBatCountry yeah im pretty sure every class has the "troll" playstyle but i mean like maybe he could use a knife that can be thrown

You have to get 3 stars on every single mercenary park and pyroland contract Edit: I misread your comment as a question lol.

@@wafflecon6029 eh it's okay

The heavy is still a valuable asset in a push with a medic, spy not so much

What I'll say about heavy is that even a bad heavy can make a big impact on the match. Being an effective damage sponge/Über farm for a competent medic can be very good. Hell, I've won a ctf match because of a friendly heavy who would occasionally get damaged and got me Über faster so we could set up a wacky intelligence steal

Thank you so much!

​@Baruch Iriah The person who has the bomb on them wouldn't know that it's on them unless a teammate calls it out. But in the situation that a teammate calls them out and they decide to kill bind so that no one else dies, that could be fixed by just adding ways to remove the bomb. The first way would be to kill the spy. This would be the most common way of removing the bomb. The second way would be to have a pyro airblast you (and maybe the engineer can hit you with a wrench to "unsap" the bomb). For the second way to be practical, there needs to be a delay in the planting of the bomb and the manual detonation of the bomb. Also, removing the bomb makes a sound effect so that the person who has it knows it's not on them anymore.

​@Baruch Iriah I don't get how it would be unfair. They could just spy check so that the spy doesn't plant a bomb on anyone or if the spy does plant a bomb, kill him. And teammates won't be heavily punished if they keep their distance from each other (which they should already be doing so that soldiers and demomen don't get optimal splash damage). Unless they're right next to the person with the bomb they should be taking at most 50 splash damage.

@Baruch Iriah "any mechanic that punishes people for being close to their teammates is bad" feels like a very weird point to make in TF2. Pyro, Soldier, Heavy, and Demoman are most effective when people are close to each other, so would those classes be unfair to fight against? And why would keeping your distance from someone who has a bomb planted on them not require skill to avoid?

@Baruch Iriah I'm confused because you seem to be changing what you said. "ANY mechanic that punishes people for being close to their teammates is bad" is what your reasoning was for why this weapon concept would be unfair. Now in this new reply, you're saying that keeping your distance from teammates doesn't require skill (which to me implies that it's easy to do). So... What's the problem with the weapon then? You haven't said anything that makes this weapon sound unfair.

@Baruch Iriah "We shouldn't create mechanics that achieve that for no reason other then to say they are." We're not creating a mechanic for no reason, we're making one so that there could be another way to play Spy. And how would you give Spy a new playstyle without creating a mechanic? This Spy concept doesn't seem that problematic in regards to functionality (not in regards to balancing though since that's a different story and not the focus of this discussion). Giving Spy the ability to kill multiple enemies by replacing the backstab with a bomb-plant fits the class and changes how you play spy. "It is not fair to any teammate that they might die because you've got tagged" You're saying that as if these teammates don't have options. These teammates could just kill the spy, and in the scenario where the spy has already planted the bomb, kill him before he can detonate. And then there's also the fact that they won't ever die from splash damage as long as they keep their distance and are healthy. "just as it isn't fair in general that a spy can damage multiple people at once with a single stab or even destroy buildings" Soldier can damage multiple people by pressing m1 on the floor, Spy has to land a backstab and time his detonation properly to damage multiple people. And also, you saying that it isn't fair "in general" implies that there are specific moments where it is fair, what would those moments be? The destroy buildings thing I'm not sure if you're referring to the sapper or to this weapon concept doing splash damage to buildings. "This is not what spy is and he shouldn't become like this because it doesn't take any extra skill to pull off" I would argue that it DOES take extra skill to pull off. Instead of getting a chainstab or getting a backstab and running off, you have to plant a bomb, not get caught/killed, and then wait until everyone is close together or weak to detonate. And 65% of sidegrades don't take extra skill to use, so why would we specifically judge this weapon based on how much MORE skill is required to use it? "it doesn't take skill to avoid" Again, you keep saying this which implies that it's easy to avoid getting killed by a teammate who's tagged, so what is even the problem? "it's basically just an annoying game of where's Waldo which if lost can cost several lives/buildings which I don't see why the spy should be able to do." Bruh, bruh, bruh. Spy as a class is ALREADY a game of where's Waldo, it's called spychecking. And if people got used to spychecking then they will get used to plantchecking (or whatever the community decides to call it). All in all, you have not convinced me that this weapon would be unfair to fight against.

Thank you so much!

@@CHEH_tf Wasnt thar the thing with the enforcer that got nerfed?

I mean, heavy is also void of any more playstiles, boxing heavy and fatscouts are only memes.

@@bioemiliano well the same for scout tbh and sniper.. they have no other play style

@@techedbirb6663 I'd say Sniper's actually rather versatile in terms of playstyles, you can be toxic and use jarate, or use the sydney sleeper, etc etc Scout's a maybe? His secondaries can be versatile but I don't know if I'd call those playstyles? The only thing I can think of is memeing with the force-a-nature or baby face's blaster

@@ketchuplover6160 well yea babyface blaster with cleaver is the only interesting play style but the toxic body shotter isn’t really a play style.. just the same dumb mechanic with increased damage.

Each class seems to have its problems; I think that giving each class a tailored update to address any underlying issues with the classes is in the best interest of the game, but this is Valve we are talking about... Edit: Incomplete sentences.

That's where the diamondback comes in

@@Q_i_e_ you still have to get backstabs/saps though

@@YansenQT that's true, but if you couple it with the cloak and dagger and wait for someone unsuspecting to get a backstab off (or better yet, and engie with his buildings) then you're set. Diamondback gunspy requires you to still do some of your typical spy things but with the bonus of being able to blast enemies with the might of Zeus as a payoff. Gunspy isnt as straightforward as it once was in playstyle, but if you put in the effort, it will pay off

@SCP Foundation It is still hide-stab tho. Same basic playstyle.

@SCP Foundation Well, cloaking and disguising are both forms of hiding. While the Sahara set definitely changes your play, my point is that it's not really a 'subclass'.

Lmao “god spies” stop watching swipez kid, just because he is destroying everyone in pubs doesn’t mean the class itself is good, i mean have you seen hundred of sniper, soldier, demoman top scored and hitting airshot left and right but everyone only care about the edgy spy main that stab f2p player and get praise, i never said they were bad but just because they are good doesn’t mean they can destroyed half a team or specifically a coordinations team not your average pubber. Ever wondered why there isn’t alot of spy in comp? And also your argument that spy is independent is totally wrong, he probably the most dependent on the team than anyone else.

@@g2ltt733 since when did I say that spy is good? I just said that spy's strength relies more on the player's skill than other classes, because let's be honest, your average pub spy is an easy kill most of the time and a below average soldier can rack up more kills in a general setting

@Clu Rosencrans spy doesn't need to stab someone to kill them, because as you know, like every other class in the game, spy has a *gun*

Me, also a pyro main: "He talks a lotta shit for someone within flamethrower distance"

pyro is still the main vounter to spy

We poor pyro mains They only caling us noobs and W+M1

@@mateuszwisniewska1848 pffft, they all burn the same. Spread a message of fire and suffering, brother

@@magmat0585 yes sir

Bad idea imo

I think its a good idea it can become fun subclass

"True gunslinger" but with the ambassador and a good aim player this can like instakill on player with 200 hp or below

A knife that had bleed damage but they can't kill overheated players

How would you use the two revolvers? Right-click is cloak.

I feel like this guy doesn't understand the appeal of playing Spy compared to other classes. Like, you could choose other classes to main, but will you really enjoy maining another class if you'll do better as that class?

The video is just flat out wrong. Put an invite HL spy on soldier and they will get a quarter the damage of a HL soldier. Spies regularly outdamage and kill soldiers/engies/pyros/and heavies in top level highlander games. This video is just wrong.

@@peterisawesomeplease not wrong per say, but heavily biased against Spy

@@peterisawesomeplease yeah lmao i do like half damage (mostly because i have no fancy unusuals and dont get pocketted), but since spy is by himself, nothing matters other than decent ping, and yourself. spy also is extremely broken as its backstabbing mechanic can drop down literally anything besides uber (but its doesnt matter nothing else can either). for example 5 heavies at fully over heal: a sniper can get 1 but maybe some collaterals with machina (unlikely, 2-3 heavys probably) but a spy can backstab all of them in a minute, maybe even seconds if you're klown. there are multiple other things that make spy actually pretty balanced. the only drawback is its amount of skill (imo) can demotivate you, and easily make your pub spy have 2 points whereas another with 200. im sure tf2 was well thought out in many aspects, but maybe spy can be one of them. in my opinion it is well balanced as valve maybe have foreseen what a hundred hours of spy can do

@@peterisawesomeplease Weakest =/= Weak. Also, damage isn't everything.

Yea but the ambi takes skill but the dr was the "I dont have my medic girlfriend online and I want to play spy" weapon

@@Blumoon09 since when has spies used medics in the first place, spies aren’t able to use medics if they are behind the enemy which they are a lot of the time

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They nerfed the amby and deadringer, effectively killing gun spy as a sub class

I whole heartedly agree, the revolver can do a solid 30 damage at mid range, and a good 50 at close range. I think many people underestimate the revolver

@@idress8340 because spy doesnt have any other weapons than the flopassador, the midle finger and the bruhnai

1 of those is basically cheating and the other 2 options r basically being friendly lol

@Samuel Skala Yes i wasn't criticising i was just joking around that's why I lol at the end

Didny valve gut interp spies by maxing input to .5

Spy crab is the best class in the game, next to fish scout.

@@tylazermk8271 it's not cheating if it's just a console feature

Demoman: killer queen has already touched that choke **click**

@@facemcshooty6602 spy: I MUST PROTECT MAMA AND PAPA SUCH A FILTHY MAN LIKE HIM CANNOT LIVE IN ONE TOWN WITH MAMA AND PAPA MEDI MEDIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC

Idk man , is simply using your primary more really a different playstyle ?

Gunspy is pretty bad though

jungle inferno moment

since jungle inferno gunspy was completley fucked, the amby is horrible and generally the revolver is good. i wouldn't consider a viable playstyle anymore.

You forgot -be good -be bad -pyro in server -walk out of spawn

You forgot water particles

And overhealed particles

pyro looks at you?

And forget BE COME A FRENCH SPY.

I played spy for 1k hours and honestly, after a while I just think after every backstab how much easier and more useful i could be to the team if I just killed them with demo lmao. Its ok for spy to be the worst class in the game, my only issue is that he isn't viable in comp. And I wish he was.

@@MsDestroyer900 the important part is having fun, and honestly, they did a good job in making spy fun. Too bad the bot crisis fucked free players from using spy's best asset, information gathering.

@@silverdededestruction2197 I don't think there's anything wrong with wishing a playstyle was fun and also viable. Sure I can have my own fun, but I'm also bringing down my team mates for my own enjoyment. My frustration just comes from the fact that it doesn't have to be this way and there are ways to make spy not be a giant sore thumb in the team.

Spy is not the weakest class. Looking high level competitive HL games makes this completely obvious. They do more damage and get more kills than other classes. And more important kills for that matter.

@@peterisawesomeplease your talking about the high of the highest of gameplay of spy, the other 98% of spies who are average or slightly better die quickly due to spy needing the enemy to be unaware for them to work at that skill level

Spy players are delusional

@@Dooge no

You feel smart like that until you realize that their score is still more than double the score of the other top fragging players. Also seeing a backstab one after another in the kill display is also terrigying

The days before the ambassador nerf.... I would walk every map without stopping to press w (maybe for a heavy) killing everything in my path

................don’t judge me

I can't get a single trickstab ;_;

@CheesusCrustTheCheesyBoi Well, it worked

@@abcedariumu8033 dont worry, learning curve has actually made me so triggered i bought a professional killstreak rocket launcher to make myself play soldier. but dont make that want you to give up, because at some point youll start doing trickstabs after trickstabs, being called a hacker, aimbotting, other random crap. just keep trying and learning and at some point youll become better than swipez

@CheesusCrustTheCheesyBoi uh, ye ig so.

i really hate that its a meme playstyle but if i said it wasnt id be lying

@@eX1st4132 lol bad

@@p3achee yes.

also *those* spy mains instead of being sneaky, they kill a person in front of an entire team and then proceed to trickstab everyone in sight

@@z1pline487 im glad that playstyle only works in pubs

remember that klown has thousands of hours yet still fails sometimes

@@pugstriker Yeah but that doesnt make spy weak tho

@@hahablendergoesbrrr2382 he never said that spy is weak? Only that he is the weakest.

'More often than not, we saw Spies breaking the Skill ceiling on aim in tf2. To counter this, we buffed Pyro' - Gabe 'My favorite class is the spy' Newell

so true. I miss the DR + Amby spy days. When you could actually out skill people directly, rather than just hiding invis in corners and praying people don't turn around Then people started crying each time they died to a spy using a gun, or didn't get a free kill because they accidentally hit an invisible spy when they were randomly left clicking with soldier, so they destroyed the gunspy subclass. RIP gun spy.

@@alexkfridges Or even DR + Revolver, that was so fun as well.

@@moth5799 It was fun, but the dead ringer definitely deserved the nerf. Even if you knew you didn’t kill the spy, there was nothing you could do but wait for them to come back from an ammo kit and repeat the cycle again.

@@thatguythere6161 I know the dead ringer deserved the nerf, I only take issue with the amby being nerfed. I do think removing the speed boost on the dr instead of the ability to pick up ammo would have been better though, it would make it less annoying to fight again and also reduce the spamability.

@Baruch Iriah I mean more of a bad pyro vs good soldier, good pyro vs. good soldier kind of comparison. Interactions change at different skill levels

@Baruch Iriah well different classes interact in different ways depending on the skill of both players. It's not as simple as pyro beats soldier of the same skill level. A low skill soldier will beat a low skill pyro, because all they do is walk forward. Once the pyro learns to use airblast, the interaction changes. Even though they're still equally skillful, a good soldier loses to a good pyro because of airblast. I'm basically saying that comparing good player vs good player isn't the best way to determine how good a class is in a pub setting.

Maybe more to the point in competitive HL spies get more kills, on more important targets, and do more damage than pyros in almost every match.

@ Адлет Кайса So Sniper is better at getting behind enemy lines without being seen?

@@nadroji6549 no But he can take multiple people before being killed And spy is more of a one pick class

@@PretzelsWithSalt Well Spy can do that too, we even see him do that in this video.

That is a horrible reason to call spy the weakest class. Just because the best class in the game(in HL anyway) is better than spy does not make spy the worst. Kill, damage, and heals are much better metrics. And spies get more kills and do more damage than other classes in HL.

@@PretzelsWithSalt lmfao youve played spy for less than 20 hours bro